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so what does a seventy six year old libertarian have in common with one thousand u.c. berkeley students apparently a lot to tell you why supporters at this notoriously liberal university are rallying for ron paul. and you've heard us talk a lot about cyber security here at r.t. or rather than american government insecurities when it comes to computer hacking so is the u.s. getting caught up in the web it is a start is it time to start patrolling internet borders or explore. is elected santorum has vowed to prosecute our industry infrequently and forced obscenity laws
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but it's porn stars and americans we can't let that happen. it's like rick santorum has more to worry about than mitt romney if you don't bill ministry is not too excited about the republican presidential candidate these days wait until you find out what they're asking americans to do in protests. a good evening it is friday april sixth seven pm in washington d.c. i'm christine for watching our team. oh thought up start off this hour with a look at the g.o.p. primary it's been a fun week we've had primaries in wisconsin maryland and here in d.c. on tuesday and mitt romney won all three but despite all the talk of the presumed nominee which by the way has been going on since the beginning of this campaign there's another candidate that still draws quite a following where ever he goes take a look at ron paul at the university of california at berkeley yesterday.
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all right keep in mind this is a university ronald reagan haven for communist sympathizers protesters and fact deviance yet about a thousand students came to hear dr paul speak to show their support i think i'm the wrong it is a republican so once again we want to bring in mary wilson on the show she is a volunteer organizer and avid at ron paul supporter hey there mary i know i've asked you this before but here we are now into april much further into the campaign and still ron paul is drawing crowds like this what is this all about. well the campaign i think is just kind of starting to gear up i think ron paul strategy was kind of flying under the radar through the caucus states and scoop up the delegates which he did despite the mainstream media not reporting to you on that most of the delegates have not actually been selected yet since they have to go
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through several rounds of voting through their district county and state level conventions and then move on to the national level so. that starts off i believe in colorado in about a week and a half when those official delegate tallies start coming in you were at this rally at berkeley what was it like it sounds to me like you're losing your voice is that because you were yelling. i was at the want u.c.l.a. actually christine and it was huge and i was yelling alive. so you feel as though we used to be about a thousand students i was a university of maryland last week covering nearly eight hundred students and young people who came out to see dr puffy company how big was this going to u.c.l.a. u.c.l.a. was anywhere between six and seven thousand there were people the stadium held fifty nine hundred the fire marshal stopped letting people land because of the
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amount of people standing so there was still a line of about thousand people outside wrapped around the building or the out outdoor area the one that i saw in u.c. berkeley i think i didn't get it at social told all but the crowd to me look like a few thousand not a thousand and i know that the one that happened in chico was something like sixty two hundred people and wisconsin last week fifty two hundred so the crowds are actually growing and i think we're going for the guinness now we're going to definitely keep keep it growing it is amazing when you think about those kind of numbers coming out and you know what struck me when i was in maryland it was just not only how many people but how it was almost like ron paul if the new six year old man was a rock star even after this rally a lot of people a few hundred waited around sort of backstage or you know outside of the coliseum to wait for him to leave to send him off what does that make that you know
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a seventy six year old man to connect with so many young people. freedom liberty it's popular the man has been fighting for us he makes us really proud he's inspired so many people with his message of economic liberty personal liberty as people start to become aware of the message and spread it and it grows. it just so it stirs up something and gets people motivated so i think a lot of people were surprised especially if you think of berkeley historically if you take a look back you see berkeley and the surrounding communities this is sort of where the antiwar movement was born so that part is not surprising and you know there are countless examples of some of the largest marches back in the sixty's and seventy's taking place around berkeley it seems to still have today an overwhelmingly antiwar anti interventionist community where we're showing pictures right now back from
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that era certainly that is a message that ron paul has never wavered on he doesn't agree with intervening in other countries he doesn't agree with with the size of the military or war so to me you know that is something that seems to make sense but you know do you think it around california as you just talked about the size of all these rallies do you think that that's kind of one of the main reasons that people are coming out in such large numbers. peace i think that peace is definitely a message that resonates here in california and it's been a pretty anti-war statement also quite a liberal state and so i think that's why a lot of people are surprised by the crowds there ron paul is pulling in and the like to credit it to the youth or you know that's not the point actually the crowds are quite mixed and you know there's people the professors are showing that we've been encouraging students bring your parents antibodies on the fence and undecided
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those people are coming out to the rallies as well and we are registering them as republicans to vote for ron paul it seems funny to you because a lot of people especially when they saw you know what was going on in berkeley and u.c.l.a. i'm from california thought i know that the stereotype doesn't totally fit this but there is a stereotype from a lot of people outside of the state who just think californians are a bunch of you know hippie pot smokers and so a lot of them also saying well these are just people who want to legalize marijuana because that's what ron paul and through doing to legalize all drugs what do you think of these people who you know are basically thing people like you mary are supporting ron paul simply because of his. lack stance on marijuana. i think it's absurd the reason why we support ron paul is because he gives us personal and economic liberty his message of liberty is something that everybody can appreciate especially in a time like this when all of our liberties are under attack when we have
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a president who isn't acting laws like national defense authorization act and giving it indefinite military detention to american citizens without a trial and now that homeland other acts that he's put in place where we can't protest where also all resources are now owned by the government a lot of stuff that people are not aware of but the youth are paying close attention to and other issues social security and things like that that we're fighting for to secure for our parents and our grandparents i'm not going to be able to provide for my parents i'm not going to be able to provide for my children if the government keeps printing money to bail out big corporations and you know tax the american people into our graves so that we can even start our own businesses so mary you think to be talking a lot about also as you're talking about the beginning about the delegate numbers what do you predict in terms of i mean do you do you think that some of the states that went to some of the other candidates will in fact go to ron paul once the
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official delegate count come in. i think that the people who got motivated to go and participate in the delegate process are. probably the majority of ron paul supporters and i think that if there were no ties back binding anyone to any particular candidate then you would see that by the time we get to the national convention in tampa that a lot of people will turn out to be wrong paul supporters and it's nothing like a covert operation or anything it's just that winning over hearts and minds every day as we go along well luckily you're saying this on television if you're right we can play this back for all of our viewers and say we told you so very well as in the volunteer organizer and ron paul supporter in our offender list you. all right well let's go now to one of those terms that has become a pretty normal part of conversation here in washington cyber security a whole lot of top officials here say you know this is the future of terrorism this
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is where terrorism will take place on the internet and it's become clear especially after the hacking into several government websites including the f.b.i. and the department of homeland security that the government is vulnerable but many government officials current and past are using that reality to try to get stricter laws passed to try to overturn some of these current laws in the country that many people hold sacred talking about laws regarding your privacy check this out in an op ed in the new york times this week richard clarke cyber security advisor to president george w. bush laid out what he sees as some solutions he says that under the customs authority the department of homeland security could inspect what enters and exits the united states and cyberspace customs already looks online for child pornography crossing our virtual borders and under the intelligence act the president could issue a finding that would authorize agencies to scan internet traffic outside the united states and seize it sensitive files stolen from within our borders so it seems to
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me by inspecting that means essentially surveilling you me everyone our earlier i spoke to declan mccullagh correspondent for c.n.n. news and got his reaction to this proposed solution take a look at what we have to still few paragraphs to the end of the new york times are describing how this works other words we this is not a fully fleshed out proposal this is just my dear so i want to know details before committing to saying this is you know or this might might work but my reaction if if you really need to press me is that this is a little worrisome when you know the picture is that what's real traffic to find the bad guys right but that's like sticking a microphone everyone's living room so. you can listen to all the conversations at water's radar guys and that's not something we do in the u.s. other countries might so it seems like you could do pretty worrisome if we empower
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the national security agency the n.s.a. to do this so look at their history we're back in the one nine hundred sixty s. nine hundred seventy s. before the church commission and even in the last decade under the bush administration i mean this is not necessarily the agency you want doing this kind of surveillance of americans on the other hand i mean there's a fine line governments do after all have a responsibility to keep their people and their country safe do you think there's a way to honor civil liberties while doing that i mean the internet after all is a place where so much planning does take place here i mean we can put this in perspective i mean compared to other nations or the u.s. is not exactly a repressive regime i mean i just was writing this morning about saudi arabia and that is really not up there on the internet freedom list in fact it's way down on the bottom but you know. he didn't say officials with me and said he was going to report problems and also down is that we're downplayed potential privacy invasions
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your right to the government has a responsibility but the government but you do this within the boundaries of the u.s. constitution he was constitution does not give the government the power to conduct this kind of widespread internet surveillance last i checked at least likely you're from the thoughts behind this idea exactly what section allows them to do this if they want to if they want this power and the constitution doesn't allow them to have it maybe use time to change the constitution at least let's have that debate it doesn't the constitution doesn't give the government the power however if you take a look outside of government and some of the developments that's a major u.s. corporations are coming up with surveillance technology it turns out is a very big business here in the u.s. that american corporations not only major suppliers of software and hardware used for surveillance. in other countries by the way some of those countries are they cater said the u.s. is also the biggest customer so clearly despite you know some gory lines about how
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legal it is surveillance software is everywhere it's being bought and sold in a major way. it is going to report that came out last fall in some of the wiki leaks files buttress this is also not just u.s. companies miss french companies. parent companies it's kalyan companies i mean i hate to say it but this. surveillance complex is a worldwide phenomenon but if you look at what happened this is about the year and a half ago right we found out that china. whether it's the chinese government or not we don't know we suspect but some folks in china some source code from google what is google who didn't come was saying hey government help but they tighten security they restricted what employees could access especially if you're not physically present there i mean this is this is a one way to solve the problem i mean this is it won't it won't do everything but if you are working on sensitive projects and you know you can't go from home you
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actually have to do there on campus and so there are other ways to solve this and that's not true we should turn to a bunch of bureaucrats in washington for solutions the private sector develop the internet and they can probably fix that yeah it's a good point you bring up china certainly that's sort of the focal argument at it that richard clarke makes in his op ed he says that by failing to act washington is essentially fulfilling that china's research requirements while final twenty three helping to put americans out of work what do you think it means that us well nancy it's good rhetoric it's i mean he's a smart guy i interviewed him about and this is what this was about a decade ago was the first time i interviewed him and he is in the sense from a lot of time thinking about this i just disagree with some of his conclude. and he's also has a habit of reading a thread. back decades ago when he was exaggerating. voting problems
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in china and some werman virus threats and so you know if you if you were a government official and your budget is tied to how big the problem is you want to see the problems really goes not just cyber security it's pretty much every aspect of the whole million security apparatus but i mean we still sort of filter for bias so when we're talking about these things especially when we're talking about the possibility of the national security agency getting more power to conduct surveillance of americans and certainly we shouldn't say that everyone's in favor of this i know there are some lawmakers here in washington that are working to crack down on some of this there is a bill called the global online of freedom act in which new jersey congressman chris smith i guess that already passed a subcommittee but it would require the state department to basically come up with a list of internet restricting countries and to make sure that american made censorship and surveillance technology would not be exported to these countries that also focuses on corporate transparency. what do you think though that the
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chances are this bill becoming law. most bills don't get it into law this is an election year this is probably not the most controversial bill out there i mean who's really in favor of internet research and company countries both on the other hand. there are some problems with that i was talking with the electronic frontier foundation a civil liberties and geo group out here in san francisco last night and they don't like it because they don't think it can be effective and so even folks who might think we're going to be enthusiastic aren't so i suspect this is not going to be an activist year but this idea keeps popping up it's not for now for a few years so it's more like a week until next year after the election and then you'll see some more movement on this just real briefly that when we just have about thirty seconds left our earlier this week we spoke about a lot of concerns i keep all who live in great britain about very new proposed law that would have allowed their agencies to monitor e-mails and text do you think
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there are any countries in the world where people don't have privacy concerns. it is a pretty short list i mean in the u.k. it is the birthplace of what we consider to be modern government and civil liberties in the early going. pretty quickly it's a shame to see what's happening there it's just a question of degree and i'm no country is perfect and some countries are much worse than others the us so the progress progress is still pretty pretty decent but we have a long way of all right that when to call a correspondent for a net news in san francisco thanks so much. so i had the presidential race is getting well along raised thanks to rick santorum the war on porn coming up i'll tell you what adult film stars want you to do.
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what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to break through. who can you trust no one. if you do you. see where we had a state controlled capitalism in school back when nobody dares to ask we do our tea question more. at first for that just burns your eyes right right i mean it's like a derivative of actual paper it's
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a food product essentially. this is much stronger than anything you you buy absolutely. dolls of the arms were stronger than any part of the of the body of the overproduce. the relationship between the u.s. and pakistan has been on shaky ground the last year or so a large part of that stems from the u.s. led mission to kill osama bin laden who had been peacefully living and about about pakistan for years the u.s. neither notified pakistani leaders nor asked for help and those leaders say that angered and confused them things were much worse six months after when american led airstrikes in pakistan killed twenty four pakistani soldiers along the pakistan afghanistan border and response supply routes into afghanistan that were closed off
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to nato troops the last month the president of. the pakistani prime minister use of any south korea to try to improve relations but now the u.s. has put a ten million dollar bounty on one of pakistan's most outspoken anti american leaders hof is not homicide he's the founder of a militant group believed to be behind the attacks in mumbai india in two thousand and eight that killed one hundred sixty six people including six americans so how does this impact the reset in relations more earlier i spoke to scott horton contributing editor for harper's magazine and here at his take on this. well i mean there's absolutely no that that's what's going on i say that of course he's the editor must write to you but. has been very clearly linked to the mumbai attack in the you know is it is control and it is also become bigger even as a result of testimony in the proceedings legal proceedings and united states so the
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u.s. could have put out this bounty payment a year ago two years ago if it now i as a leverage move in the course of us this kind of discussions and was it effective no course not exactly you know what he and others like to study leaders laugh that it probably say something to a press conference and spoke to the media he's been doing it seems to me he's been doing quite a few press conferences in public speeches he's been appearing on talk shows he doesn't seem to be operating like i want to ban it not at all and he you know he knows that you know he has the confidence of senior figures in the pakistani military not just confidence and when they're going to rope in funding and training him and his growth so you know you might view them as instrumentality but i could spend the government in fact so the i think the pakistan is going to turn it over
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to the united states that's not going to happen and well they've asked pakistani government has asked the u.s. for evidence which they say if i bring the evidence that al then you know present that to their view just area and given the trial why doesn't the u.s. see that happen because the u.s. doesn't want to surrender control over the proceedings for the pakistanis i think the u.s. knows that can go anywhere and my mother wait a studies have done the same thing i mean they they've launched their own legal proceedings in airports bringing charges against the leading american political figures including the director of the cia. over drone strikes so i think we see a lot of these games going on in courts and the pakistanis frankly don't believe that the american judicial process is independent or that as integrity and that's certainly what the americans think about the pakistani system yeah there does seem to be a little bit of a trust issue between the two countries let's break this down this reset process what does each country have to gain by making improved relations
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a priority were the united states i think there are a whole series of concerns and so one is nuclear proliferation in pakistan is a nuclear powered fact that by some accounts the most quickly growing nuclear power in the world another is counterterrorism measures pakistan is really ground central or islamised extremism probably the most pressing issue right now is afghanistan because u.s. is looking to implement the twenty fourth drawdown and a change of its position in afghanistan and that really cannot be done without the cooperation and support of pakistan but you really have right now that from day pakistani perspective there's one overriding concern pakistan as a nation is bankrupt i mean i mean that in terms of money there is not enough funds and the croppers in pakistan to keep the government running and it has run in the past on the basis of those for international financial institutions but largely
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from the united states no one else can give it so it really adds an outstretched hand i'm wondering to what extent i mean how how fine is this line i mean certainly we know that the drone strikes are very common in pakistan i mean what happens if pakistan shoots down the drug is that it nuclear war ensues. well i wouldn't say will be nuclear war and i would say pakistan is really sort of janet's based on the issues so that it's very clear that there are certain strikes approval and others they disapprove of and it's a question of which group is being struck they don't mind striking outcries the back terrorist groups in the hamper with others they're very protective of groups like like l e t so there is a little bit of room for because he aisha you know when they come to some sort of military. confrontation between the u.s.
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and pakistan become very very close to that several times in the course of the last year but i still say that's relatively. what's much more likely is the pakistanis taking the american contractors and intelligence personnel out of their country. and actually taking steps to stop the drone wars which they haven't really done so far and there's a lot of rhetoric but not much real action but should they kick the u.s. and nato forces that are stationed in that condition they kick them out i mean wouldn't that be very crippling for the u.s. because twenty fourteen is still another two years away i mean they need anything that area to operate right yes i mean especially for logistic that management concerns one is that the staging area for the taliban really is right on the front here in a lot of the parts from the soil so it's right it's a part of the theater but the other major concern is logistics eighty percent of the surprise well from pakistan i think what we're seeing right now is a major change on that score already that is all this material that was that
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pakistan is now coming from the north it's coming through respect of the russia through the carriages republic through menaced time to the north and i think that's what that's going to continue so i think the surprise south is coming to an end and instead we're going to see much more material throwing to the north through nations the former serbian. it was certainly a tightrope walk here between the two countries and you know no matter what kind of compromise or deal they come up with it's certain that the public on in either country probably won't know most of the details of it thank you today scott horton contributing editor for harper's for sharing your insight on to india now a country that may have a silent epidemic on its hands because of the use of a dangerous chemical in people's homes especially as is so widely used in the country of foreign importers quick to offer supplies of the substance and as artie's preassure the reports the consequences could be deadly. the residents of
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this slum in south delhi have no idea that the routes they live under are contaminated with a toxic mineral called a special story once widely used in building projects for insulation against heat and fire a substance is banned in fifty two countries around the world because of its proven dangers those fools. like this was despite. all the incredible lung diseases like. lung cancer in fact one of the one of the biggest was disease if you don't make. but it's still being used in india and studies show that it could kill as many as one million people into developing countries in the next eight years the indian government has banned the mining of us but the importing and manufacturing of it is still legal india's growing economy has led to a construction boom and alternatives to especially those costs almost all that's
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why many indians believe it's worth despite the health risks because of us as a precaution three is one of the three million people involved in the eight hundred fifty million dollar a year business in india he's been selling its best to its roofing for twenty five years and says he's aware that it could become one of the country's biggest killers but with the new it is harmful to this to assume because they have to support their family well activists campaigning to ban is faster than india acknowledge the government needs to do more to stop it they say blame also has to lie with their biggest importer of the toxic fiber canada the north american country is one of the world's largest our exporters of those even though it's illegal for it to be used inside its own borders. standards is quite many first one the one hundred the. house of commons well the go to the. cons of causing what you did when they didn't this is and.

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