the. tonight on r t you've heard us talk a lot about cyber security or rather the american government's insecurity when it comes to computer hacking so is the u.s. getting caught up in the web and is it time to start rolling in or not borders we'll explore. and what does a seventy six year old libertarian have in common with a thousand u.c. berkeley students apparently a lot will tell you why supporters at this notoriously liberal university are rallying to one paul. is elected santorum has vowed to prosecute our industry on infrequently and forced our sanity our squad as porn stars and americans we can't

let that happen. and i was like rick santorum has more than mitt romney to worry about if you don't film industry is not too excited about the republican presidential candidate these days and wait until you find out what they're asking americans to do in protests. it's friday april sixth eight pm in washington d.c. i'm christine freeze out there watching our team. let's begin with one of those terms that has become a pretty normal part of conversation here in washington cyber security there are several top officials here who say this is where the future of terrorism is bound to take place on the internet and it's become clear after the hacking into of several government websites including the f.b.i. and department of homeland security that the government is vulnerable but many government officials current and past are using that reality to try to pass

stricter laws to try to overturn some current laws in this country many people hold sacred laws regarding your privacy in an op ed in the new york times this week richard clarke a cyber security advisor to president george w. bush lays out what he sees as some solutions he says under customs authority of the department of homeland security could inspect what enters and exits the united states in cyberspace he says customs already looks for online child pornography crossing into our virtual borders and under the intelligence act but president could issue a finding that would authorize agencies to scan internet traffic outside of the united states and seize it sensitive files stolen from within our borders so i inspecting that means it's essentially surveilling our earlier spoke with declan mccullagh about this he's a correspondent for c.n.n. news and i his reaction to these proposed solutions take a look at where we have just a few paragraphs at the end of a new york times after to describe how this works are the words we use is not

a fully fleshed out proposal is a just an idea so i don't know leigh sales before committing to say mrs you know or this might might work or but my reaction of if you're really going to press me is that this is a little worrisome when you know the picture is that what's sort of built traffic to find the bad guys right but that's basically a micro going every one's living room so you can listen to all the conversation the water's really good. guys that's not something we do in the u.s. other countries my so it seems like it could be pretty worrisome if we empower the national security agency the n.s.a. to do this to look at their history back in the one nine hundred sixty s. and one nine hundred seventy s. before the church commission and even in the last decade under the bush administration i mean this is not necessarily the agency you want and when this kind of surveillance of americans on the other hand i mean there's a fine line governments do after all have

a responsibility to keep the people in their country safe do you think there's a way to honor civil liberties while doing that in the internet after all is a place where so much planning does take place. i mean we can put this in perspective i mean compared to other nations or the us is not exactly a repressive regime i mean i just was writing this morning about saudi arabia and that is really not up there on the internet freedom of in fact it's way down on the bottom but you have. federal agency officials with the intent to exaggerate the problem and also doubt minimize or downplay the potential privacy implications you're right the government has a responsibility but the government but you do this within the boundaries of the u.s. constitution and u.s. constitution does not give the government the power to conduct this kind of widespread internet surveillance last i checked at least like to hear from this book behind this idea exactly what direction allow them to do this if they wanted

if they want this power and the constitution doesn't allow them to have it may be used by others in constitution but let's not have that debate it doesn't the constitution doesn't give the government the power however if you take a look outside of government and some of the developments that's a major u.s. corporations are coming up with surveillance technology it turns out is a very big business here in the u.s. that american corporations not only major suppliers of software and hardware used for surveillance in other countries either way some of those countries are dictatorships the u.s. is also the biggest customer so clearly despite you know some glory lines about how legal it is that surveillance software is everywhere it's being bought and sold in a major way. it is the report that came out last fall and some of the wiki leaks files but this is also not just u.s. companies in this french companies the french parent companies it's kalyan companies i mean he has put this. industrial surveillance complex as

a worldwide phenomenon but if you look at what happened just about a year and a half ago right we found out that china. whether it's the chinese government or not we don't know if it's bad but there's some hope in china and still some source code from google what does google do in income was saying hey government help us if you're already they restricted what employees could access especially if you're not really present there i mean this is this is a one way to solve the problem i mean isn't it won't it won't do everything but if you are working on sensitive project maybe you know you can't do that from home you actually have to be there on campus and so there are other ways to solve this and this not sure we can turn to a bunch of bureaucrats in washington for solutions the private sector develop the internet make and probably yeah it's a good point that you bring up china certainly that's sort of the focal argument that richard clarke makes and his op ed he says that by failing to ask washington

is essentially a fulfilling china's research requirements while simultaneously helping to put americans out of work when he's thinking about going through it's good rhetoric it's i mean he's a smart guy i interviewed him about this is this is not a decade ago is the first time i interviewed him and he is i mean essentially a lot of time thinking about this i just disagree with some of his conclusions and you've also has a habit of exaggerating the threat he did back a decade ago when he was exaggerating. voting problems in china and some werman virus threats and so you know if you if you are a government official and your budget is tied to how big the problem is you want to see the problems really big not just cyber security is pretty much every aspect of the homeland security apparatus but i mean really still sort of filter for bias

when we're talking about these things especially when we're talking about the possibility of the national security agency getting more power to conduct surveillance of americans and certainly we shouldn't say that everyone's in favor of this i know there are. and lawmakers here in washington are working to crack down on some of this there is a bill called the global online freedom act in which neither new jersey congressman chris smith i guess the bill already passed subcommittee but it would require the state department to basically come up with a list of internet restricting countries and to make sure that american made censorship and surveillance technology would not be exported to these countries it also focuses on corporate transparency. what do you think though that the chances are of this bill becoming law. those bills don't get into the law i mean this is an election year this is probably not the most controversial bill out there i mean who's really in favor of internet companies countries but on

the other hand. there are some problems with that i was talking with the electronic frontier foundation a civil liberties and geo group out here in san francisco last night and they don't like it but they don't think it can be effective and so even if you might think we're going to be and they aren't i suspect this is not going to be an academic year but the idea of popping up and it's now for a few years so this really can wait until next year after the election and then you'll see some more movement on that and israel briefly that let me just about thirty seconds left earlier this week we spoke about a lot of concerns by people who live in great britain about their new proposed law that would allow their agencies to monitor e-mails and text do you think there are any countries in the world where people don't have privacy concerns. this is a pretty short list but we need to use the birthplace of what we consider to be modern government and civil liberties in the going on this is pretty quickly it's

a shame to see what's happening there it's a question of degree no country is perfect in some countries are much worse than others the us role that progress is still pretty pretty decent but we have a long way to fall all right declan mccullagh correspondent for the net news in san francisco thanks so much all the relationship between the u.s. and pakistan has been pretty shaky ground over the last year a large part of that stems from the u.s. led mission to kill osama bin ladin who had been living peacefully in a bog pakistan for years the u.s. neither notified pakistani leaders nor asked for help and those leaders say that angered and confused them things were made much more six months after that an american led air strikes in pakistan killed twenty four pakistani soldiers along the afghanistan pakistan border in response supply routes into afghanistan were closed off to nato troops last month president obama met with hostility prime minister use of friends ogling ani in south korea to try to improve relations but now the u.s. has put

a ten million dollar bounty on one of the paths of one of pakistan's most outspoken anti american leaders this is harvey's mohammed saeed he's the founder of a militant group believed to be behind the attacks on mumbai india in two thousand and eight that killed one hundred sixty six people including six americans so how does this impact the reset in relations well earlier i spoke to scott horton contributing editor for harper's magazine about this here's his take. well i mean there's absolutely no that that's what's going on i'll be studied of course he's the head of the. straight day but has been very clearly been to mumbai attack. you know is it is control and it is also become clear you can as a result of testimony and proceeding appreciating the united states so the u.s. could have put out this bounty payment a year ago two years ago now as

a leverage in the course of u.s. hypersonic discussions and was that effective no worse the fact that. he and other pakistani leaders last. summer a press conference and spoke to the media yeah he's been doing it seems to me he's been doing quite a few press conferences in public speeches he's been appearing on talk shows he doesn't seem to be operating like i wanted dan not at all. you know he knows you know he has the confidence of senior figures in the pakistani military but just confidence in the role they're funding and training him and his group so you know you might use them as a good strong and how it's a pakistani government so the idea that pakistan is going to turn it over to the united states that's not going to happen well they've asked pakistani government has asked the u.s. for evidence which they say if i bring the evidence to tell then you know present

that just area and give them a trial why didn't the u.s. do that. because the u.s. doesn't want to surrender control over the proceedings the pakistanis i think the u.s. knows that that wouldn't go anywhere by the way the pakistanis have done the same thing i mean they've launched the legal proceedings and their orders bringing charges against leading american political figures including the director of the cia. over drone strikes so i think we see a lot of these games going on in courts and microphonics frankly don't believe that the american judicial process is independent or that as integrity and that's certainly what the americans think about the pakistani system yeah there does seem to be a little bit of a trust issue between the two countries but let's break this down on this reset process what does each country have to gain by making improved relations a priority for the united states i think there are a whole series of concerts and so one is nuclear proliferation and pakistan is

a nuclear power in fact by some accounts the most quickly growing nuclear power in the world another is counterterrorism measures pakistan is really ground central or islamic extremism probably the most pressing issue right now is afghanistan because the u.s. is looking to implement a twenty fourteen drawdown and a change of its position in afghanistan and that really cannot be done without the cooperation and support of pakistan but u.s. clearly the aberrate now and then from big pakistani perspective there's one overriding concern as a nation is bankrupt i mean i mean back in terms of money there is not enough arms and the coffers of pakistan to keep the government running and that has run in the past so those international financial institutions but largely from the united states no one else that can get it so it really as an outstretched hand i'm

wondering to what extent i mean how how fine is this line i mean certainly we know that the drone strikes are very common in pakistan i mean what happened to pakistan you know shoots down the drum is that it nuclear war ensues. well i wouldn't say will be nuclear war and i would say pakistan is really sort of jannah space on the issues so that it's very clear that there are certain strikes that the pakistanis approve and others they disapprove of and it's a question of which group is being struck they don't mind striking out the back terrorist groups in the ample others but they're very protective of groups like like l e t so there is a room for negotiation you know where they come to some sort of military. confrontation between the u.s. and pakistan become very very close to that several times in the course of the last year but i'd still say that's relatively. what's much more likely is the pakistanis

taking the american contractors and intelligence personnel out of their country. and and actually taking steps to stop the drone wars which they haven't really done so far and there's a lot of rhetoric but not much real action but should they kick the u.s. and nato forces that are stationed in that country should they take them out i mean wouldn't that be just very crippling for the u.s. because twenty fourteen is still another two years away i mean they need that space they need that area to operate right yes i mean especially for it was just like the manager concerns one is that the staging area for the taliban really is right on the ground here and a lot of it on pakistani soil so it's right it's a part of the theater but the other major concern is logistics eighty percent of the surprise used to flow from pakistan i think what we're seeing right now is a major change on that score already that is all this material that you get pakistan is now coming from the north it's coming through respect through russia

through the carriages republic through turkey menaced on to the north and i think that's what that's going to continue so i think the surprise was sour is coming to an end and instead we're going to see much more material throwing to the north through nations. certainly a tightrope walk here between the two countries and you know no matter what kind of compromise or deal they come up with it's certain that the public on either concert probably won't know most of the details of it thank you today scott horton contributing editor for her purse for sharing your insight well it has been a fun week politically speaking we had you know the primaries in wisconsin maryland and here in d.c. on tuesday and that romney won all three but despite all the talk of the presumed nominee which by the way has been going on since the beginning of this campaign and there's another candidate that still draws quite a following wherever he goes here is ron paul at the university of california at berkeley yesterday. but

a thousand students came to hear dr paul speak and show their support and it's a sight many people might find surprising ron paul is a republican and berkeley is known throughout history and today as a domain of liberal ideas of hippies and some of the most left wing people in the country and all these people here seem to be pretty happy to be seeing ron paul now this afternoon i spoke with casey given the founder of students for liberty at u.c. berkeley and we spoke about this peculiar nature of ron paul receiving such a warm welcome at such a progressive institute of higher learning i asked him of berkeley students have taken a political shift take a listen. yeah well i think we're going to certainly changed a little bit of the over the years being. more open minded to different ideas libertarianism and i think this was clearly shown by the rock star welcome.

hopefully. you know i covered he was just here university of maryland last week and there were about seventeen hundred students who came out to see and i think a bunch of them were actually turned away i think it is really interesting to see so many young people really rally behind him let me ask you when you started this group at u.c. berkeley what is the one thing that you and your fellow students you know seize him or i'm sure there's more than one thing but what are some of the things that really stand out. absolutely i just in my introduction introductory speeches i must say that i think the. wrong. kind of message or why i'm well received among the youth is especially in our age of the internet young people are starting to realize it was called your politics that no matter who we elect the republicans or democrats bush or obama we're still left with this thing called the boer war more bailouts and more intrusions on our social liberty and i think that

a lot of young people are talking to ron paul because he's one of the few public figures who have actually consistently how much stronger record and strong progress our history in congress does why didn't somebody dropped. yeah you mentioned his anti-war message and i think for me that's something that's very simple if you take a look back throughout history at berkeley was of course a place where in some ways the antiwar movement began there are countless examples of some of the largest marches back in the sixty's and seventy's taking place on and around campus u.c. berkeley people. you know i think i mean there's a large contingency in the berkeley community of people who are stonily antiwar. anti interventionism so for me that seemed you know kind of normal that there was such a large population at the school is that one of the things that seems to resonate absolutely is that right before the speech i actually got to talk to ron all of

this about this and. kind of heel of his speeches or to the certain audience and he said now you can give the same message but especially being an earthly that's what he was going to emphasize more is his anti-war stance you know pro-social the drug war so i think it definitely but resonate the most. and that was casey given founder of students for liberty. all right guys it's friday and it's been another fun filled week in the political realm that despite three primary wins for republican presidential contender mitt romney in d.c. maryland and wisconsin we haven't seen any of his three competitors that are out rick santorum says this is just too important and among the reasons he's running for president is to make this country better and i wanted his solutions to do that is cracking down on pornography he's attacked the obama administration for not only

not making that a priority but he sets the department of justice a favor pornographers over children here he is on c.n.n. when asked about it. you draw your conclusion whether the administration has not put a priority my conclusion is they have not put a priority on on prosecuting these cases and in doing so they are exposing children to tremendous amount of harm and that to me says that they're putting. their foot in the unfortunate of this law and putting children at risk as a result of that on his web site rick santorum dot com the g.o.p. presidential hopeful says pornography is toxic to marriages and relationships he says it contributes to massage me and violence against women and that it is a contributor contributing factors of prostitution and sex trafficking well a couple of people in the very business rick santorum wants to eliminate have stage of the rebuttal they've made a video challenging his notion that watching porn results in brain changes that

have negative consequences as they say there's zero evidence to back that claim here's part of that video. now you probably heard of presidential hopeful rick santorum antigravity policies is elected santorum has vowed to prosecute our industry infrequently enforced obscenity laws but us porn stars and americans we can't let that happen picture whirls out for coffee pizza delivery boys have nothing to dream about you can march submerging to freeze before all sort of worst of all people using just their imaginations to protest santorum on may first at eight o'clock pm restaging the world's largest link just to open up your favorite story the one you downloaded to your hard drive in maine to all college be bruce two thousand from texas grandma's eightieth birthday party and let loose together we can enfranchise ourselves through the power of incessant masturbation all right i want to bring in one of the women you just saw in that video chastity lead an adult film actress in los angeles california chastity thanks for coming on the show

let me ask you what gave you guys this idea to make this video well just came in. and asked us to help them out nice and i mean you're probably i don't know how closely you've been following the g.o.p. campaign but when you when they were asked you guys that did you have a conversation about it what was the initial reaction. we don't really talk about it i was i was actually excited that i happened to be there on the day that they were doing that. now since this video has come out it's definitely gotten quite a few hair what's been the reaction to the video. i think i've gotten great reactions from it so far i'm what have people been saying to you. because they like the video that they like in idea of the way out. is a pretty funny names i mean are you worried it rick santorum is not he's pretty

behind in terms of delegate counts in this political race but but are you concerned that if rick santorum or someone with similar policies becomes president that you could lose your job your livelihood. well as much as santorum is going on and on about cracking down on porn i'm pretty sure that once he gets into office will probably be much more busy fixing the lousy economy that his own republican party has created to be too concerned with us. now i think that's what a lot of people are saying they're saying you know with all the problems out there why is this one that anyone should be focused on especially since pornography in most forms at least is allowed under the first amendment of the constitution. yes i mean there is always the worry with republican candidates getting in process they tend to always try to crack down on. sexual

laws. you know very sure they are very true that is a common a lot of them trying to sort of play to their conservative base trying to get those votes of the people who don't think that what you do should be allowed at all which also you have in l.a. this is it this is a city where are most things are accepted. what's your message to people like rick santorum that are trying to score votes by kind of picking on your profession. that they should stop yeah well they talk about the economy you're obviously making money doing what you do and contributing to the economy right. yeah exactly i mean i think that they should be focused on creating jobs for people over taking jobs away now why do you think i mean certainly i can't imagine that this is a job that you consider to be. political why is it that so many candidates seem to

make your profession a political issue well honestly i think it's the easiest thing for them to focus on i think it's a great deterrent from having to talk about real issues such as a war that most of the general population doesn't support. you know that's an interesting point. so let me ask you about the video when you raise made the video itself to just write the script for you. and you guys just kind of like divided up or how did it all happen in terms of making this video the script. and then as you do rehearsals yeah we rehearse a little bit now listen we're talking about the economy let me ask you i mean how is business. for you and some of your colleagues i mean are things fine. yes i'd say the business is doing very well all right well we do appreciate you

coming on the show to share a little bit of your experience with us it's certainly an interesting video it's going viral chassis lynn adult film performer and that's going to do it for the news for tonight but don't forget to tune in next week we have a brand new lineup in store for you it's a battle for copyrights vs wrongs and it looks like the illegal downloader may win this fight california judge recently ruled that it will not take legal action against people who illegally download download copyrighted material so does this open up the floodgates to stolen movies and music and if so could it mean the end of hollywood as we know it will explore and stealing music might not be considered such a big deal but it's a whole other ballgame when it comes to stealing information which is why the u.s. government is once again trying to unravel the world wide web with yet another set of bills clamping down on internet freedoms we'll tell you all about actor two point zero. plus while the debate rage rages on over racial inequality in the u.s.

and questions loom over the legality of vigilante justice volunteers in arizona are forming a so-called special missions unit that will legally be allowed to patrol the border so are we destined to see more tragic cases of americans taking the law into their own hands or question more and those are just a few of the stories we have in store for you next week along with much more news and in-depth interviews so you can keep it tuned right here on our t.v. and that's going to do it for us for now but for more on the stories we covered go to youtube got com slash r.t. america and just because the show stops doesn't mean the news does for the latest information on the issues we cover today as well as quite a few stories we didn't have time to get to go to our website r.t. dot com slash usa today our web sima wrote a heartfelt apology to taser international for his reporting that a sixty eight year old retired u.s. marine was killed by a taser in his home.