well if you are in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture. what fuels racism and police brutality in america as political rhetoric from the right or something more deep seated and what can we do about pose those questions and many more joe madison and tonight's conversations with great minds also thanks in part to alec the number of so-called justified homicides have skyrocketed in the united states is the time we lay down our weapons and took our fingers off the trigger that and the future of obamacare and tonight's big picture rubble and mitt romney has just this week

declared he's going to try to live his way into the right outs and use science shows conservatives will believe his lies even when they've been refuted no matter how outrageous they are so i could the story i'll explain in tonight's daily take. joining me for tonight's conversations with great minds is joe madison joe also known as the black eagle is the talk show host can be heard every morning on sirius x.m. satellite radio channel one twenty eight and i w a well a here in washington d.c. nine hundred seventy four years after graduating from washington university in st louis joe became the executive director of the ten thousand member of detroit n.w.c. were displayed leadership skills well beyond that of a twenty four year old in one thousand nine hundred forty nine hundred sixty joe

led a series of voter registration marches and crisscrossed america efforts that earned him congressional recognition in one thousand nine hundred sixty was the liking of the national board of directors of the n.w.c. he was reelected for the next fourteen years joe has been relentless. and helping protect those who are the most vulnerable in our society he helped lead demonstrations and arrests in front of the sudanese embassy for ninety straight days and efforts to end jennifer genocide in darfur and also organized the sudan campaign to end slavery there and raised enough money to free thousands of slaves in that country and he was kind enough to tolerate me following him around southern sudan near the door for border for a week on one of his many trips to that area joe now joins us now in the studio joe welcome it's a pleasure and i don't know who is following who when we got. we were we were it was there's an audience out so it was an intense trip and if you remember. the civil war was still going on. there was always the concern about bombing and where

we were and oftentimes our location and to remain secret because the khartoum government was not very pleased with. our interference but it was. the reason i'm taking time to explain this is because i want your viewers to know how significant is when someone like you with a national audience on a national platform goes to be an eyewitness said you were the national anthem and then come back and tell people and then that way it's very hard to refute those who say slavery wasn't happening it's genocide wasn't it you see it firsthand as well as we were flying out just maybe ten fifteen miles away they were bombing ability of bernie to get to see the smoke coming out absolutely right the windows a little brother was a car the cargo plane buffalo they call that thing still where you fly would. feel cans right we flew and strat right where we were right would you know you were

recently down in sanford florida about the this whole trayvon martin killing what's the what are your thoughts on this what's the latest what's going on what was your experienced well that the my client my thought is that people need to recognize that we're simply asking for justice not revenge and i went back and i'm so disappointed particularly in the last comments from the. zimmerman's defense attorney who said that we were going down there in route causing people to do things that they were normally bill like rally let me let me explain this first of all the family felt the paper bag and their son had been killed they had gone to a lawyer. they weren't getting any assistance from the officials but

what got me involved was the fact that the police refused to release the nine one one tapes to the lawyers the lawyers had asked can we hear the nine one one tapes well that concerns me because in most. pace's well enforcement officials are very eager to release nine one one case because it in essence protects them and lets them know that everything has gone up and up that's what got me and got them and then it was the family that asked those of us with. an audience a microphone those of us who had reputations of helping people if we would simply let the world know what was happening you have to remember for three weeks no one in the country. outside of sanford really know about this case and most people in sanford didn't know about the case so here they were men's attorneys say well you

know our you know our black folk in the white folks got along together. before all you guys came down and and ok well let me tell you what happened we interviewed. several of the leaders in a c.p. leaders there's a reverend richardson who calls my show frequently he's one of. a leader in that community he said all know we've had problems in sanford for decades a matter of fact in two thousand and two they had a lynching they had a hanging so these kinds of activities in responses don't happen simply because three or four people show up it's really the straw that broke the camel's back and people did that what you saw was a spontaneous reaction where people said enough is enough so we went down to support the families and support the community and in some of these people with take their microphones down and get out of the studio and go down and talk to

people i think they get a sense of how outraged people were in sanford and we talked to former police officers for example the president of the n.a.c. p. . in the county is a twenty four year veteran of the sheriff's department and he said it's been a good ol boys club with the police for for a number of years but these kinds of things are happening all over the country and trayvon is only one case and that think that's why you're seeing demonstrations sprouting up like today students in ohio were outraged simply because someone i think painted on the black student union or building at schools along with zimmerman that happened today so people know that this kind. the thing is is going on you know we have a case. in in peril in texas and you're talking about a family that's by themselves paralyzed in texas where three kids two of them are

riding their go carts in the neighborhood a woman questions whether these three black kids belong in the neighborhood she takes her jeep wrangler drives across southbound traffic up over the curb want to a grassy area and runs into head on into the go cart gets out of the go car and questions an injured thirteen year old here and asking him what do you do an innocent neighborhood do you belong in this neighborhood the mother shows and she tells the mother speak to the hand dismisses the mother gets into her car lots the door waits to the police come and the police did not arrest the mother been out of arrest the woman in the car who hit the kid head on and that's going on and i think yesterday bad thank goodness did go to the grand jury but we don't know how the grand jury will rule on what was you grew up and

and in america that was segregated when you were born by and large i and i wonder how it was and how things are different now than it was but their experience for much are much different i mean but let's go back you know i'm certainly not battle but let me tell you. there was the juror segregation this is segregation by law. wants to keep people from getting what dr king used to call. resources responsibility. people are starting what is integration it's the sharing of power. resources and responsibility why do people segregate illegally segregation is a legal term they segregate because they want to keep our resources and

responsibility away from a certain group of people we've been through this you're a history but you know that after the civil war we had the reconstruction period you know what went on immediately during the reconstruction period and afterwards we saw tremendous violence remember the client was not sure because people had the power to well and the resources to to to to be equal or at least to china equalize their existence in this country we had tremendous violence in southern states then you had people taking away goals powers and coming up with laws which we know where the black holes are now that lasted for fifty plus years though not in civil rights movement comes along and brown versus board of education eliminated the jerk segregation but remember. yes technically speaking remember now what happened in the state of the commonwealth of virginia most people remember

this instead of complying with the supreme court decision what did the commonwealth of virginia do they shut down our public schools so black parents literally had to send their kids out of state to get an education what what white parents did was start a lot of private religious institutions that the supreme court ground versus board of education their impact and this went on and on and on so i grew up in an era when i remember pelletier. and the impact it immaterial had what a lot of people don't know there wasn't a single african-american talk radio holes in existence in this country there wasn't a single black reporter working for a network when that happened so we depended on other people to tell our story the

difference today is we do have the power on sirius x.m. we do have radio one we do have people on television but that went down there and said this is what's happening and we don't have to depend on someone else to tell the story because one long before any other network it's even newer sanford florida it's the the black part stations the black. newspapers and the bloggers were all over this story so it's an extraordinary change and it's good it's what course has been in its own way for the most part in you know i always tell a lot of young people you know come on of course there's been no percent change but you still have to remain vigilant but let's get into that some more in just a moment we'll build more conversations with great minds of joe madison right after

this break. for. you know sometimes you see a story at the scene so you think you understand it and then something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything is ok. i'm sorry welcome to the big picture.

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welcome back to conversations of grapevines and joined tonight by joe madison joe is the talk show host can be heard every morning on sirius x.m. satellite radio channel one twenty eight w. all well here in washington d.c. as well and one hundred seventy four graduated from university st louis later became the executive director of think one hundred or the ten thousand member detroit and only see eight from one thousand nine hundred forty nine hundred eighty six let a series of voter registration marches the crisscrossed america and gresham already recognition he also helped lead demonstrations arrests in front of the sudanese embassy here in d.c. for ninety straight days that led to earn didn't lead to the tried to and the jennifer genocide and are for a living we remember then the government refused to acknowledge genocide and dark

for a lot of people have forgotten but you've got several states actually right well yeah and and so i i will tell you this is a lot of back channel ing a lot of demonstration and i will give credit to colin powell. and i'll tell you want. colin powell. said keep the demonstrations going through these people who were probably demonstrations but for you know keep the demonstrations going on you have to do it you have it. i have to do what i have to do the secretary of state now you know who was then called and pound a matter of fact at the independence day of south sudan i interviewed colin powell and i reminded him of that conversation and he reminded me i was the first to say that there was genocide in darfur and he was very proud of that declaration and email but i suspect that that would not have come back about if it had not been for

pressure you know and for those who you know the other day i had a. run in with a conservative who said that bobby rush wearing the hoodie on the floor was it was so inappropriate this is and you heard him say this is not the place to do that you know as the saying darn thing arthur when john carlos and tommie smith stood on the medal stand in mexico during the one nine hundred sixty olympics and held up their fears and they were barefoot you know they kicked him out of the olympic village. when is there an appropriate time people need to go back and read the letter from the birmingham jail written by martin luther king. and then what did go and what why did he write that letter because ministers in city leaders are saying you guys are outside agitators we're all getting along down here and this is

inappropriate it's not timely a when is the time when to demonstrate and protest when you think that there is injustice. and speaking of that in justice in the in the national media and the mainstream media in america there's not a lot of coverage because trayvon martin case is for example at least in the first few weeks you mention in three weeks there's not a lot of mention of crime against african-americans i mentioned during the break i mentioned the phrase black on black crime black white on black crime and my response was start a remark my response is. why do i not hear of the term white on white crime i suspect that just as many white people kill white people in america i suspect that if you go to a program we can span a community most ground people kill brown people so why don't we hear white on white crime and here's another factor please stop telling this why we don't hear

colpitts every sunday and talk about it we've discussed it you know again on my show all the time we're telling kids you know don't kill each other over a jacket don't kill each other over issues the problem is nobody listens to us nobody covers what we say and so therefore it's the old adage if a tree falls in a forest as anyone here well you know this goes on all of the time and what happens is there are our discussions our media outlets too often get ignored until a critical mass is is developed and see it's like when i was in. used that line i learned this from the labor movement labor has a very difficult time getting attention. with many of their issues they really do now as soon as they go on strike to get all the attention they want as soon as

there's some kind of violence they get all the attention they want so the reality is if you pay attention to us i think you might understand that from our perspective we do talk a great deal about it in all our circles and when and when santorum and others said a pair and newt gingrich said for example i'm paraphrasing but there's no culture of marriage in the black community i think we remember him saying that in our elbow and the reality is well you should have been at that rally in sanford with all these fathers in these mothers who were with their little ones wearing hoodies or here listen to folks i'm calling my show and in the fathers are crying on the front course there's a culture of marriage of course there's a culture of being concerned are we perfect no but the reality is don't tell us that black on black crime and yes a lot of black kids are being killed and

a lot of people who are organizing and doing things about it every single day in this country they just don't get the kind of attention that they should get well and and my point was that why don't why crime doesn't get coverage either but black out by crime well this is the recent poll that was a mistake and here's a people are saying if trayvon martin had shot zimmerman would he have been arrested or if trayvon martin had been of a seventeen year old white girl and zimmerman had been an african-american. the world whatever fox news would be covering what would it and so they should be i mean well. and so and that's the that's the point this. because these kinds of things happen all. the time we've got a case in chicago where a police officer. detective not in uniform in an unmarked car

hears there's a disturbance at a park he he sees a guy who thinks he has a gun he shoots out of his car he don't even get out the car shoots out the window hits the guy in the hand and shoots our young woman in the here it turns out the guy was on his cell phone approaching the officer approaching the outputs are really probably let him know who knows but he said i have a cell phone how many cases do we have to have like this before people realize that what folks are saying enough is enough and reality is quite honestly this is a bad bad law and we've got a real problem i mean this latest offense of. a bit shaken baby syndrome that the defense is used you know shaking a baby oh my got a baby i mean there's a reason they call it

a baby. you know babies aren't but twenty eight year old. man and that defense is not going to fly quite honestly the. one of the one of the things that came out of the trayvon martin killing for i think when it was just my radio show you and i talked about the same radio i believe last week but. it was. an extraordinary number of after american parents called into the program to talk about this conversation that they have to have with their kids and a lot of my white listeners call up and say i never even imagined that. i would have to say to my child let me tell you about the police let me tell you about people of another race and how to react to them let me warn you about this world they are going. to tell me about the looks of me let me tell you there's

a lot of viewers and they need to understand this and again perspective what is perspective based on experience so i have a perspective you may not share both of us have older son have you ever said to your son of you gets that be careful because the police might follow you because you're in a nice car and never never have to there's not a day when my son walks out the door i had to tell my son in our neighborhood be very careful now don't move quickly don't say anything but certainly he's been taught every speck of the law this is this goes beyond having respect for on course and business this goes about you will be profiled be very careful you will be followed but let me here's where people tend to forget let me mention innes will cause people will cause me son lived in an

upper middle class neighborhood on his way home shot dead because he got out there help somebody and the killer was on the phone and watching the new and i'm going to be very vivid here because camille cause we wrote about this and she said in her up it paints a man who shot nice son called a friend and bragged about just shot a nigger and the news is talking about it and he was bragging. did the all the wealth of bill cosby say his son no and so we have had racial profiling cases new jersey you look at grown men and women driving down ninety five if they're in a in

a nice car get pulled over and the car is searched it doesn't make any difference if they're young people called in who have been elderly people who have been pulled over and their cars been searched for no other reason than their profile we've had lawsuits where maryland state troopers had to be sued new jersey state troopers would be sued we've had black police officers there have been profiled have their own departments again you're right it and so what we try to get the other side on this is that we've got to have this discussion where we've got to be honest about how people are received and why is that perception exists today riders it with all the advancements with all the laws why do we still hold on to this for this image that somehow the complection of once again gives you is is is is a negative is

a negative and so we just you know we honestly have not had an honest discussion about race where we are undervalued under estimated and marginal are it's part of our culture it is and it's part of our history and it's because in our history as our culture joe madison and so much for being with us which were to say this or other conversations with great minds or our website or conversations of great minds start car. coming up after the break. coming up after the break a new report finds that there's been a huge increase in so far so-called justifiable homicides across america thanks largely to alec and their so-called stand your ground the ground i shoot first was this i would put a stop to alex happy if you. see

a story on the scene so. you think you understand it and then you. see some other part of it and realize everything. i'm sorry is a big issue.