well if you are in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture. what fuels racism and police brutality in america as a political rhetoric from the right or something more deep seated and what can we do about it we'll pose those questions and many will joe madison and tonight's conversations with great minds also thanks in part to alec the number of so-called justified homicides have skyrocketed in the united states is the time we lay down

our weapons and took our fingers off the trigger that and the future of obama care and tonight's big picture rubble and mitt romney has just this week the clarity is going to try to lie his way into the white house and use science shows conservatives will believe his rise even when they've been refuted no matter how outrageous they are why could the street i'll explain in tonight's guilty take. joining me for tonight's conversations of great minds is joe madison joe also known as the black eagle is the talk show host can be heard every morning on sirius x.m. satellite radio channel done twenty eight and i w a well a here in washington d.c. in one thousand nine hundred forty years after graduating from washington university in st louis joe became the executive director of the ten thousand member detroit and double e c p were displayed leadership skills well beyond out of

a twenty four year old one thousand nine hundred forty nine hundred sixty job at a series of voter registration marches crisscrossed america efforts that earned in congressional record mission in one thousand nine hundred sixty was elected to the national board of directors of the n.w. c.p. and was reelected for the next fourteen years joe has been relentless. and helping protect those who are the most vulnerable in our society he helped lead demonstrations and arrests in front of the sudanese embassy for ninety straight days in efforts to end jennifer genocide in darfur and also organized the sudan campaign to end slavery there and raised enough money to free thousands of slaves in that country and he was kind enough to tolerate me following him around southern sudan near the door for a border for a week on one of his many trips to that area joe now joins us now in the studio joe welcome it's a pleasure and honor but i don't know who is following who when we got to we were we were it was this very intense it was an intense trip and if you remember. the

civil war was still going on. it was always the concern about bombing and where we were in oftentimes our location had to remain secret because the part in government was not very pleased with. arianna ferentz but it was. the reason i'm taking time to explain this is because i want your viewers to know how significant it is when someone like you with a national audience and a national platform goes to be an eyewitness send you a national anthem and then come back and tell people and then that way it's very hard to refute those and say slavery wasn't happening it's genocide wasn't it you see it first and as we as we were flying out just maybe ten fifteen miles away they were about an ability of earning that because it's not coming out absolutely right the windows and all. over the called the cargo plane buffalo they call that thing still where you. feel cannes right we flew in strat right where we are right

where you were recently down in sanford florida about the this whole trayvon martin killing what's the what are your thoughts on this what's the latest what's going on what was your experienced well before my client my thought is that people need to recognize that we are simply asking for justice not revenge and then went back and i'm so disappointed particularly in the last comments from the. zimmerman defense attorney who said that we were going down there and round causing people to do things that they were normally do like like rally let me let me explain that first of all the family felt that they were by themselves their son had been killed they had gone to a lawyer. they weren't getting any assistance from the officials

what got me involved was the fact that the police refused to release the nine one one tapes to the lawyers the lawyers had asked can we hear the nine one one tapes well that concerned me because in most. case is now in for some in officials are very eager to release a nine one one tapes because it in essence protects them and lets them know that everything was going up and out that's what got me involved and then it was the family that asked to those of us with. an audience a microphone those of us who had reputations helping people if we would simply let the world know what was happening you have to remember for three weeks no one in the country. outside of san really know about this case and most people in central didn't know about the caves so the theory of them remains attorney say well

you know our you know our the black folk in the white folks got along together. before you guys came down and had a say to their well let me tell you what happened we interview. several of the leaders in a c p leaders there's a reverend richardson who calls my show frequently he's one of. a leader in that community he said all know we've had problems in sanford for decades matter of fact in two thousand and two they have alleging they had a hanging so these kinds of activities and responses don't happen simply because three or four people show up it's really the straw that broke the camel's back and people. what you saw was a spontaneous reaction where people said enough is enough so we went down to support the family to support the community and if some of these people would take

their microphones down and get out of the studio and go down and talk to people i think they'd get a sense of how outraged people were and sanford and we talked to former police officers for example the president of the n.a.c. peny. in the county is a twenty four year veteran of the sheriff's department and he said it's been a good ol boys club with the police for for a number of years but these kinds of things are happening all over the country and trayvon is only one case and that think that's why you're seeing demonstrations sprouting up like today students in ohio were outraged simply because someone i think painted on the black student union or building at schools along with zimmerman. that happened today so people know that this kind. the thing is is going on you know we have a case tongue in. peril in texas are you talking about

a family that's right themselves paralyzed in texas where three kids two are arriving there go carts in the neighborhood one question is whether these three black kids belong in the neighborhood she takes her jeep wrangler drives across southbound traffic up over the curb onto a grassy area and runs into head on into the go cart gets out of the go car and questions an injured thirteen year old here and asking him what are you doing in this neighborhood do you belong in this neighborhood but mother shows and she tells the mother speak to me here dismisses the mother gets into her car lots the door waits to the police come and the police did not arrest the mother been out of arrest the one in the car who had pick a head on and that's going on and i think yesterday that thank goodness did go to the grand jury but we don't know how the grand jury will rule on what

was you grew up and an america that was segregated when you were born by a large i and i wonder how it played here wondering how things are different now than what what their experience or much are much different i mean let's go back to you know i'm certainly not paddled but let me let me tell you. i mean there was the juror segregation this is segregation by a lot. want to keep people from getting what dr king used to call. resources responsibility. people have started what is integration it's the sharing of power. resources and responsibility why do people segregate illegally segregation is a legal term they segregate because they want to keep our resources and

responsibility away from a certain group of people we've been through this year you're a history buff you know that after the civil war we had a reconstruction period you know what went on only during the reconstruction period and afterwards we saw tremendous violence remember the client was gone because people had the power to vote and the resources. to be equal or at least to china equalize their existence in this country we had tremendous violence in southern states then you had people taking away those powers and coming out with a law which we know where the black holes now that lasted for fifty plus years the modern civil rights movement comes along and brown versus board of education eliminated the juror segregation but remember. yes technically speaking

but remember now what happened in the state of the commonwealth of virginia most people remember this instead of complying with the supreme court decision but it will count on whether virginia has shut down out of the public schools so black parents literally had to send their kids out of state to get an education what what white parents did was start a lot of private religious institutions so that the supreme court brown versus board of education their impact and this went on and on and on so i grew up in an era when i remember a material. and the impact it immature have what a lot of people don't know it wasn't a single african-american talk radio holds in existence in this country there wasn't a single black reporter working for

a network when that happened so we depended on other people to tell our story the difference today is we do have the power over on sirius x.m. we do have radio one we do have people on television bad that went down there and said this is what's happening and we don't have to depend on someone else to tell a story because long before any other network it's even newer sanford florida is that the black top stations the black. newspapers and the bloggers were all over this story it's it's an extraordinary change and it's good it's sitting of course has got it and it's available for the most part in the you know i always tell a lot of young people you know come on of course there's been a novice and change but you still have to remain vigilant let's get into that some

more in just a moment will be more conversations with great minds of joe madison right after this break. you know sometimes you see a story. is it you understand it and then something else you hear sees some other part of it and realize that everything is ok. i'm charging welcome to the big picture.

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talk about the conversations of grapevines i'm joined tonight by joe madison joe is the talk show host can be heard every morning on sirius x.m. satellite radio channel one twenty eight of you all well here in washington d.c. as well and one hundred seventy four graduated from university of st louis later became the executive director of the one hundred or the ten thousand member detroit and ugly scene from one thousand nine hundred forty nine hundred eighty six led a series of voter registration marches that crisscrossed america that are in a congressional record recognition and also helped lead demonstrations arrests in front of the sudanese embassy here in d.c. for ninety straight days that led to or didn't lead to the tried to and the jennifer genocide in darfur let's i think we even if you remember when the

government refused to acknowledge genocide and are for a lot of people forgotten well you got several states actually right. and so. i will tell you this there was a lot of back channeling a lot of demonstration and i will give credit to colin powell. and i'll tell you want. colin powell. said keep the demonstrations going through these people who who have problems with demonstrations for you know keep the demonstrations don't you have to do what you have to do. i have to do what i have to do as secretary of state now you know who is the but then colin powell matter of fact at the independence day of south sudan i interviewed colin powell and i reminded him of that conversation and he reminded me i was the first to say that there was genocide in darfur and he was very proud of that declaration that he made

but i suspect that that would not have come back about if it had not been for pressure you know and for those who you know the other day i had a. run in with a conservative who said. a party rushed wearing a hoodie on the floor was it was so when appropriate places and you've heard them say this is not the place to do that you know that's the same darn thing our her when john carlos and tommie smith stood on the medal stand in mexico during the one nine hundred sixty olympics and held up their fist and they were barefoot you know they kicked him out of the olympic village. when is there an appropriate time people need to go back and read the letter from the birmingham jail written by martin luther king. and and what did bush and what why did he write that letter because ministers and city leaders are saying you guys are outside agitators were organized long down here and this is inappropriate it's not timely

a when is a timely to demonstrate and protest when you think that there is injustice. and speaking of that in justice in the in the national media and the mainstream media in america there's not a lot of coverage because trayvon martin case is a sample of at least in the first few weeks you mention three weeks there's not a lot of mention of crime against african-americans i mentioned during the break i mentioned the phrase black on black crime white on black crime and my response was a remark my response is that you know why do i not hear the term white on white crime i suspect that just as many white people kill right people in america i suspect that if you go to a predominantly hispanic community most brown people kill brown people so why don't we hear white on white crime and here's another factor please stop telling this why

we don't clear pulpits every sunday talk about it we discuss it you know again on my show all the time we're telling kids you know don't kill each other over a jacket don't kill each other over issues the problem is nobody listens to us nobody covers what we say and so therefore it's the old adage if a tree falls in a forest does anyone here well you know this goes on all of the time and what happens is there are our discussions our media outlets too often get ignored until a critical mass is is developed and see it's like when i was in. on i learned this from the labor movement labor has a very difficult time getting attention. with many of their issues they really do

now as soon as they go on strike to get out of the attention they want as soon as there's some kind of violence they get all the attention they want so the reality is if you pay attention to us i think you might understand but from our perspective we do talk a great deal about it in all our circles and when and when santorum and others sat up there in new congress for example and i'm paraphrasing but there's no culture of marriage in the black community i think we remember him saying that in our work and the reality is where you should have been a pep rally in sanford with all these fathers and these mothers who were with their little ones who were in her needs or here but listen to folks who call my show and the fathers are crying on the front course there's a culture of marriage of course there's a culture of being concerned are we perfect no but the reality is none tell us that

black on black crime and yes a lot of black kids are being killed and a lot of people who are organizing and doing things about it every single day in this country they just don't get the kind of attention that they that they should get well and and my point was that white on black crime doesn't get covered either but black and by crime does well this is the recent poll that was a mistake and here's a people are saying if trayvon martin had shot this zimmerman we have been arrested or if trayvon martin had been of a seventeen year old white girl and zimmerman had been at african-american i mean. the world would end fox news would be cover all the war. and so they should i mean well there is a ten and so and that's that's the point this own because these kinds of things happen all. the time we've got a case in chicago where

a police officer. detective not in uniform in an unmarked car hears there's a disturbance at a park he he sees a guy who thinks he has a gun he shoots out of his car you don't even get out the car shoots out the window hits the guy in the hand and shoots oh young woman in the here it turns out the guy was on his cell phone approaching that the officer approaching the officer really probably let him know who knows but he said i have a cell phone how many cases that we have to have like this before people realize that what folks are saying or not is another reality is a quite honestly this is a bad bad law and we've got a real problem i mean this latest offense of. shake the baby center on. the defense's use you know shaking a baby oh my god a baby i mean there's

a reason they call it a baby. you know babies are a twenty eight year old. man and that defense is not going to fly quite honestly the. one of the one of the things that came out of. the trayvon martin killing for i think many listeners my radio show you and i talked about this on the radio i believe last week. was. extraordinary number of african-american parents called into the program to talk about this conversation that they have to have with their kids and a lot of my white listeners call up and say i never even imagined that. i would have to say my child let me tell you about the police let me tell you about people of another race and how to react to them let me warn you about this world

that you're going. to tell me about politically let me tell you this our viewers and they need to understand this and again perspective what is perspective based on experience so i have a perspective you may not share both of us have older son have you ever said to your son if you gets bad be careful because the police might follow you because you're in a nice car never never have to is not a day but when my son walks out the door i have to tell my son in our neighborhood be very careful now don't move quickly don't say anything but certainly he's been taught their respect for the law this is this goes beyond having respect for ron or mitchell's this goes about you will be profiled be very careful you will be followed but let me here's what people tend to forget let me mention anas will cost

me bill cosby his son lived in an upper middle class me with it on his way out shot day because he got out to help somebody and the killer was on the phone with him watching the new i'm going to be very vivid here because camille cause we wrote about this and she said in her up it beats the man who shot my son called a friend and brag but i just shot a nigger and the news is talking about. and he was bragging good the all the wealth of bill cause he saved his son you know and so we have had racial profiling cases new jersey. grown near and when

driving down ninety five if they're in a nice car get pulled over and the car is searched it doesn't make any difference if they're young i've had people call in who have been elderly people who've been pulled over and their cars been search for no other reason than their profile we've had lawsuits where maryland state troopers had to be certain new jersey state troopers that means that we've had black police officers that have been profiled have their own departments but again you're right and so what we try to get the other side understand is that we've got to have this discussion where we got to be honest about how people are free see and why is that perception speak ziska day why does it with all the advancements with all the laws why do we still hold on to this to this image that somehow the

complection of once again gives you it's is a negative is a negative and so we just you know we obviously have not had an honest discussion about race where we are undervalued underestimated and marginalized it's part of our culture it is kind of part of our history and it's because in our history is our culture. same and so much for being with us always a pleasure to see this or other conversations with great minds go to our website or conversations of great minds that car. coming up after the break. coming up after the break a new report finds that there's been a huge increase in so-called justifiable homicides across america thanks largely to alex and their so-called stand your ground the ground shoot first was to stop the alex murderer happy if you.

see a story. is it you understand it and then something else some other part of it and realized everything you saw. i'm sorry welcome to the big picture.