violence is once again flared up. these are the images the world has been seeing from the streets of canada. operations are today. at three thirty pm moscow time these are the headlines on archie hundreds of syrians stage a rally in damascus in support of president following some criticism from the un the head of the world body says the syrian regime is still cracking down on opposition despite closures to cease fire. so the cleric cougars in mali agreed to step down and hand power to civilians after amounts of pressure from neighboring countries following two weeks of military rule in return

a fuel and trade ban against mali will be lifted and the organizers granted amnesty . and critics lash out at the u.s. for trying and sentencing of youths as adults calling it cruel and unjust tempos and minors are held in adult jails and prisons throughout the country next on our t.v.'s russia prepares to celebrate the two hundredth anniversary of the birth of the father of russian socialism writer alexander garrett since the spotlight talks of his great great grandson michael. cole again the welcome to spotlight the interview although it's not a lot of these programs is a tribute to great russian philosopher and think through alexander the. person is sometimes called the first russian political blogger in the middle of learnt the

century by a weekly column that would probably still london was as influential among liberal minded people in russia as facebook the larger logic research is claimed hurts and created a political background. for the abolishment of serve in and call him the father of the russian socialist this weekend russia celebrates and since two hundred is the center of all of the world came to moscow a lot of them is in my studio to mr michael harrison the right is great great grandson living in the. nineteenth century writer philosopher and a rebel alexander hertz and is often described as the founder of russian socialism he started question in that sorry stop salute isn't as early as in his university years he's ready cove you soon made him an almost permanent exile he left for the west in eighteen forty seven and spent the remainder of his life there becoming one

of the most prominent thinkers of his time hertz and set up russia's first free press his newspaper well a call about was published in london in the mid nineteenth century and it had to be smuggled to russia where it was forbidden but nevertheless had tremendous success it is said to have been read and by the tsar the album mission of serve them in russia is considered to have been inspired by her tin and he's newspaper merchant and my the west and he's only years but the longer he lived in europe and the disillusioned he became of capitalism and civilization he's laid a works that have served this inspiration for generations of revolutionaries in russia and globally the british playwright tom stoppard has recently revived interest in harsens work and on intellectuals worldwide person is one of the main characters or he's truly the coast of utopia which focuses on the philosophical

debates of one thousand st sharee rush hour. oh ok and welcome to the show thank you very much for being with us. harrison was a thinker and author and he was influential a lot of the. in russia but also in the west for example he was the favorite thinker british philosopher. and he's the principal character in a trilogy the coast of utopia by a famous british playwright tom stoppard but what do you think makes her so much interesting for the western intelligence and for the western public well it's a very good question the matter of fact i think he hasn't been a very interesting picture person and very recently largely thanks to mr starr. the opportunity to meet him in london at the last performance of the coast of

utopia there the what they call the marathon performance for all three of the players were played together it was a fascinating seven hours and something that i think is even a little more than you go to the theatre about noon and you get out about eleven and think of a great. day. it's quite quite an experience but there are some who isn't well known hasn't been but it's becoming more so i think largely due to the play. of course he played a large role i think in russian history and in fact in the russian revolution but it's not well known especially in the worst. now that is changing i'm hoping it's changing permanently we'll see this two hundred anniversary is going to be attended by. today this afternoon but perhaps two hundred people which maybe fifty will be relatives of carrots coming from various parts of the

world mostly from western europe and the united states. exile. his family ever have tried to return to the question returned him to write you know whether to bring the family to russia i mean was part of the family's interest well that's a complicated question and i'll give you the answer to that. the fact is that harrison himself wanted to return but couldn't. he wanted to sunder return in his son was refused to visa by the russian ambassador of the time who was the son of the foreign minister so there was no discussion of the. eight hundred sixty eight. and then his. second wife so to speak did return. but he never did and none of his children ever did.

but one of his grandchildren did and that person happens to be my grandfather and he was the only one that came back now he came back for reasons that are. personal and not political and he came to yes you could say sentimental also he had a love interest when you married and he became a quite famous surgeon and pathologist here. they're only clever which gives and he has varied in that we do choose the material we want to see his group yesterday we still live where he had kind of a said story his wife had three children. and in one thousand and eleven and she took the children. unbeknownst to him. she stated that he was because he was going with them to their usual spot in germany

but instead of going there to go aboard the ship and home board and still be in the united states and didn't come back. really not. a good thing for him probably a good thing for us but not for him. and there was a small episode that was one of these children my dad had one of those three children so it was one of russia he was actually born. foreigner but and the three children came back actually in one thousand nine hundred thirteen at the request of her father was a rich. actually greek russified greek who lived down in the review had a very large estate there and he begged her to come to actually love her father so she did brought the children back knowing that she couldn't really make peace with her but she made the least. attempt to do so in asco on they didn't work but she couldn't come back the way she wanted she wanted to come

through western europe the war had broken out and she was required to go. back to the united states which she did and i have pictures of my thought there in a rickshaw in. in japan where they start on the way back coming back to the united states. that sounds like dr zhivago and you know yeah let's see how well is alexander's. legacy how was the family well that's another good question. i would say it depends on the family the europeans are going to leave law there but . i have a genealogy family and my guess is that there are over two hundred. fifty of them living people living people dozens of families yes. here is that right now is that the reason for that is that his son alexander had a very large family he had ten children. and they of course had their children you

know so branched out very quickly and then. the other two children their parents and had one of them never had any children but the other or you know did have and her family also spread. she had four children over. in the states and europe you know so if. you're around and so some of them are coming for this event and i hope to meet some out a lot of them of course i don't know but i'm looking forward to really like the push hands of the tolstoy and see exactly what i can you judge how. far really here is this legacy is steady it's by historians by. by the. well thanks to as you point out thanks to isaiah berlin he's in fact studied quite a bit but he's in a straw ridden early difficult figured study. first he he knew too many will

say which is he and he wrote in all of them you know and he wrote masterfully and all of them and this story and himself has mastered all those languages is a rare bird in v. . and so you you you have that trouble the other purple is that even when you look only at his russian his russian is not simple he has foreign words thrown into it he invents words. and he has plays on words all the time so it's not trivial to do and also say that i did i did really did and his language just sort of reminds me of soldier and it's very hard to read it's not sort of easy reading stuff you know i think there's something to that on the other hand you know some great writers.

have have looked to harrison and said this was one of the greatest of us all you know tolstoy on point to his time will come because he knew him and met him in london you know and and knew of his writings even though he didn't agree with that he was writing he knew that the man was a master of prose which is what he truly was i personally believe that his memoirs are the greatest memoirs ever written in the russian language and maybe one of the greatest ever anywhere there really is something masterful says mikhail gere it's and great great grandson of the russian white who had painted alice that spotlight will be back shortly after a break so stay with us. filmmaker

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welcome back to this point my kind of love and just a reminder that my guest here on the show is. the great great grandson i was a russian writer and thinker alexandra harrison we celebrating its two anniversary these days. mr. i have heard that today in the order comes more and more documents more and more like interesting papers are surfacing and

people are discovering something new and xander gives them practically every year is not true and i don't i think it's a bit of an exaggeration. it's kind of interesting that lemke when he when he published his work on carrots and which is a classic work of sobranie is that in any he called the polio subterraneous it's in the complete works which actually was an impossibility he probably knew at the time but for some reason didn't didn't think it changed when the so it isn't came out in the years one thousand fifty four to one thousand nine hundred sixty three or summer or something like that in thirty volumes which was much larger than two years and it's a really superb edition they didn't do it they just called it the sobranie of britain in your piece. and then of course things are cropping up. in fact in the one nine hundred sixty s. the whole series of letters. really had to do more with his daughter and her

relationship with revolutionary called the trial than anything else and not too long ago there was another major discovery i would say of the correspondence between harriet and dreams rothchild in paris has been. which was quite critical to his sort of financial well being but outside of that no i can't think of anything that really changed much of the picture of things and even those haven't changed very much and you would have known because as far as i've heard you you're planning to publish his biography is that true. maybe going too far i would love to but you're going on i don't know well you know we're going to go so. maybe i don't know better but i doubt it. so it's going to be a posthumous were. if you're writing as we say into the table very you go. you know

you know why well it's as i mentioned he's a difficult man to handle he's you can get your arms around him he's so big and you know in physical terms of an intellectual terms and he really handled their. mind and breadth of knowledge and accomplishment for one person is really really off and do come to moscow well i've been here a hundred times but this is my i mean one hundred second trip maybe hundred thirty but i'm not counting you know. recently publishing house in russia printed no books for school children which had stolen support read on the front page you may have heard about this was a great deal a big scandal in the press so. you wouldn't be surprised i see well this year is out of this and it's a serious all the great russians for kids. they had like lots of people and the

front page of these of these notebooks but you won't be surprised about chile alexander harrison wasn't there so how would you comment on that why would you say the russians. like. are formal rememberable to be say half of the tyrants then for the liberators. and that's an interesting question what is russians yeah well here's here's my take on that. we did not live in his creative life and i live in russia. and so his influence was sort of behind you know behind the door so to speak his influence on creating in the mind i personally believe in creating the mind going to second the idea that he had to deal with serfdom and he had to do something about it comes principally from her but you know you can see there it's sort of again if you put

it under the table it's not so visible and furthermore these spectacular revolutionaries the creator of the nudes were later and there were a lot of them oh they didn't mention harrison one of his most famous words as has an entire group part of the russian revolution process as well as a matter of fact that was a very lucky thing for us because the fact that he did meant that in the soviet period he was an acceptable figure. whereas in fact if you are visas you get a very whereas in fact you know he was a very strong opponent of marx. so in fact had lived and not said i think you would have had some trouble well you mentioned it is interesting that you mentioned you mentioned alexander the first i was on the first call of cold later the liberator right. the second the south and the same year so the second was called the

liberator well no again. stalin is more famous than harry sim and like ivan the terrible is more famous than the old standards of the second the liberator why why is that happening and i guess not only in russia many other countries but i think you hear those people directly affected more lives you know and more deaths. put it that way. harrison didn't heard of the much more subtle manner of our sort of think you're a man who formulated i think ideas and opinions but he wasn't the man pushing the buttons you know for. another one about harrison and today's problems many of the problems that he was thinking about that he was writing about i mean alexander isn't still troubling russia today more than one hundred years after he died so why do you think the principal say of individual

rights and freedoms which he was defending why did they take so long to triumph and . well ok you want to our answer and. this is a this is a really tough start with. the i'll tell you when we were. here here's my my sure brief on. this is the incredibly complicated traffic and every country even the united states you have to fight for those things every day. and they don't just come to you of the sky you have to you have to construct them and hold them and once are constructed they don't just stay constructed you have to protect them to get those things and keep them is not simple. and i think even today in the united states i can see where we

are losing some of our most fundamental freedoms. very subtly but it's happening. including the freedom to vote for whom you like. so i'm not sure how that's going to end up now and that is kind of funny for is you know things things don't happen like that in history history doesn't you know if you can use to move and it's continued to move here in russia and i feel you know i came here one hundred times during the soviet period and my goodness the changes in this country i thought i would never see just amazing absolutely amazing and i'm very encouraged and i'm sure all the rest of you were too it's there's no comparison to what it was no comparison you know russians are kind of people who are never happy with the way to mean. and of course it could be better no question they were always pretty yeah whatever and you know one of the one of the ways a lot of people think it could be better is the riches of the riches of the oligarchs could be more justifiably distributed. i think that there's something to

that but i don't think it would it would turn the country overnight into a bunch of really just beating the riches of the oligarchs is nothing in which the russians are very good and i don't want to do what we did was what. was the founder of the free russian press and he published and the bell holocaust and. the beginning of the program i compared it to to the internet today a lot like some people newly compared to say he was the first the first blogger because he actually did the london but it actually wrote in russia so do you think we really can compare what he did with the influence of the internet today. my feeling is no of you first of all the immediacy of the internet is incomparably fast forrester dishonorably faster. and second you know even to this day it's not clear to me how many of his publications actually go into russia and we do know

that they did influences or they got to wonder if it was that both nicholas the first and alexander the second were reading a regular way but just how how otherwise it was influence on the rest of stays a good question we know it was in for sure to what degree that's something that will have to await my. question of whether the coalition selection of eight hundred sixty three broke out and has pleaded the insurgent force his reputation decline. and even among the liberal public so this isn't me that child and this is the main one of the principal enemies. which is. i think if you could say that i think there's a perfectly legitimate statement however i don't think that's actually what happened in harrison's case. case what happened to the liberals

turning against him. after the oceans to wrexham because it was support of the answer actually was that he felt they felt that he did not understand the true origins of the goals of the polish revolutionaries. and in fact sometimes wonder if he did. there was a a major element in the polish. polish rouge an area that was reinstituting the germany of the nobility and that mints. here re enslaving the poor and thank you thank you very much for being with us send it was it was a great fashion talking to you in just a reminder that my guest today was michael hayden some great great grandson of the russian thinker and author alexander and that's it for now from long struggle i will be back with more time to comment on what's going on in and outside russia

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