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well. it's technology innovations of all the developments around russia we've gone through huge earth coverage. the international envoy to syria says there's still time for the u.n. peace plan to work despite the looming deadline well the russian foreign minister urges kofi annan to more actively pressure of the opposition towards a cease fire. the british prime minister and his japanese counterpart agreed to expand collaboration on defense equipment and a move many see as mirroring washington's recent drive to boost its military presence in the asia pacific region. also the man who spent thirty years on death row for a crime many believe he did not commit america's most famous prisoner move. talks
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exclusively to r.p. and his first t.v. interview since his sentence was commuted to life behind bars. and russia i'm paul and remember the victims of the tragic plane crash near smiley answered that killed with a polish president and most of the country's political elite troops years ago. i'll have more on all of these stories in the next hour plus they're on line right now at our dot com coming up next let's cross over to our washington studio for the latest edition of the show. book of the logs show the real headlines with none of the mersey because i live in washington d.c. now it's monday so that means we're going to have a monday hangover panel we're going to speak
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a brazilian president's visit to washington the white house backing out on forcing federal contractors to disclose their political donations and training programs for the unemployed that are running out of money then david sirota is going to join us to talk about laws being passed in the states to let corporate secrets things like what goes on in factory farms say secret and a look at a report that says the u.s. funded trade of any k. right here on u.s. soil as we get more details about the group that's on the state department says it needed list of terrorist organizations and that's why the u.s. government arm that and all that including a dose of happy hour but first take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. all right so just last week it was announced by the pentagon that the lead sheikh mohammed and four coconspirators would finally be facing trial not in our federal civilian courts like the administration had been pushing for but in
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a military commission and the media to give it a little bit of play. believe shaikh mohammad said to face the death penalty now for his role in the nine eleven attacks terrorism charges were filed for the second time against colleen shaikh muhammad the pentagon has announced a new military trial for the self-confessed mastermind this restarts a process to have the group go through the military court system. now friday show we walked through the timeline for you of how it was that this story this battle between a civilian trial and a military commission really played out and we specifically pointed out how it was the mainstream media that really paled played into the fear mongering and how dangerous it would be to try a terrorist on u.s. soil despite the fact that all these things are done all the time i mean really at the time they went completely nuts over this. well there you should know your trial is the most reckless and dangerous and irresponsible this is giving them
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a platform where they can preach to release of terrorists into the united states i leave shaikh mohammad military commission responsible to do york for trial just blocks from the world trade center close. war hate america ministry straight conscionable act of war. being the platform propaganda vehicle in our border is very very very. very. or a difference in time makes any way the reason i am bringing this up again is because today wired's danger room reported on some new bits of information to give us insight on how this trial is going to play out let's not forget that i may have confessed to plotting nine eleven there's also the whole torture aspect the fact that he was water boarded one hundred eighty three times just in the first month of his captivity not to mention other techniques that were used on him so there have been some questions as to just exactly what the federal prosecutors are going to do you will it's very commission rules also do state that evidence of pain through
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torture is inadmissible and here's what spencer ackerman pointed out today and the government is hoping that means you can also get mo detainee a former associates of times they're hoping that with his testimony they can just forget all about the torture stuff he conic that the plea deal of nineteen years in prison for testifying against the nine eleven conspirators kind of nothing to do with the plot or that's what officials believe and he just learned about it from chaos and after congress also never tortured so what he says can be used in a military commission and the military commissions don't allow evidence obtained through torture to be used they do have more lenient rules on hearsay evidence so how all this plays out exactly all that has yet to be seen but there is one gigantic problem that it could all bring up the trial against them will probably be the largest terrorist. we have one of the worst things on our record though as a country post nine eleven is that our values were thrown out the window when we
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tortured the largest terrorism trial goes by without addressing the issue of torture and the book has been closed without ever being read the government will continue to face no consequences their own legal actions will not hinder their legal case and this entire dark episode of our history will be left unresolved oh god is me here is the mainstream media now they could give a damn right you saw the noise the hysteria over the possibility of a trial being held in new york city was fake outrage that was manufactured fear and yet when it comes to the torture record the fact that nobody has been held accountable for that there even try to fake it again was supposed to be the government watchdog gives the government a complete pass and chooses another huge miss. all right so it's all in one day but there is a lot to talk about because the news doesn't stop over the weekend even though we might have technically not been here in the office so today's monday hangover we'll
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talk money talk the economy brazilian president dilma rousseff is in town today as cost monetary policy energy amongst other things but what specifically might obama be able to learn from brazilian leader then it seems the white house has abandoned its push to force federal contractors to disclose their political donations so might that have something to do with the election that's coming up and government funds to train the unemployed across the u.s. are drying up not the news now that some private companies are finally picking up they're hiring some proper water grab your painkillers time for a monday hangover. all right so here's to discuss this all with me today is a pretty random as zero director of economic research for the reason foundation and matthew o'bryant associate editor at the atlantic sentiment thank you for joining me today ok so let's start with brazil right last year brazil overstock u.k.
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they're now the sixth largest economy and so kind of a big deal that president dilma rousseff is here visiting but what she did is she kind of went off your obama about america's loose monetary policy right criticized our low interest rates and so i'm just curious what it is that you think about that i mean it's not even something that she can pin on obama i know that jay carney just said talk to the treasury and the fed about presently talked to the fed about it although president obama did nominate her making the footboards in some respects i guess maybe loosely like it to the presidency but they do. i have somewhat of a complaint about low interest rates are hitting emerging market countries brazil and this is trying to elevate themselves on the global stage and this this trip is part of that she's in the didn't just come to talk to president obama today she's going on to boston. to give a speech is in at mit and harvard and they're they're trying to push
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a lot of brazilian students to go to the united states to get educated deeper in sciences and in technology in brazil wants to be one of the be global players this is part of it and i think that they are a little bit afraid that the u.s. economic picture is going to slow down that progress and i think that's part of the message is bringing today well what do you think about the issue i mean what she didn't get all of this i guess you could say was a state dinner right didn't get the red carpet treatment and so in a certain respect is that is that a bit of a shot is that saying you know you're not up there with david cameron yet a little brazil is probably the country has been hit the hardest by the so-called currency wars that's what they talk about and you know they have a complete you know their the reality is pretty heavily overvalued there's actually deficit trade deficit with the u.s. and there's actually you know common purpose here with the u.s. and brazil he talked about china you know they both look at china and they say
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you're the real problem here so there's some room for cooperation it's not just about you know the fed i mean quantitative easing the president because. i have you know something maybe different you guys i'm not quite exactly sure how you can respond to it but let's go back to friday and the president have this women's forum at the time you get a little joke about what if there were more women in congress gave a clip i think a lot. fewer than twenty percent of the seats in congress are occupied by one. is it possible that congress will get more done if there were more women in congress thank you experts say oh thanks for the say thank you there's that is almost guaranteed. all right all jokes aside i mean wherever you go girl power go dilma rousseff i'm happy that there's a female president brazil but the thing about her is that she's got a seventy seven percent approval rating and now is in the latest poll that was done
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just in march when you know when you look at it the areas that she rang ties to and war handling unemployment poverty and hunger you know i mean so there's anything out of her policies that you think that president obama can learn from you know that could be applied here obviously there are different countries going to those you know that that's a highly complex country different countries different economies different demographic make different roles to play in the world. broadly speaking the chief has done an impressive job she kind of wrote in the hotels her predecessor to to a huge degree and i think that speaks to a lot of what she's been able to do you know why she's got a lot of approval brazil has not declined in the midst of the global turmoil over the past several years and to that respect you know she's she's done a good job in the eyes for people it's understandable she has that approval rating . this is a booming economy right now you know the developing economies are much different from us where we are right now so it's understandable why you know so that from the
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you know the other hand president has you know a different model of capitalism have more of a social aspect to it the obama could learn from a bit if you look at things like employment shirts you look at job training try to talk about those areas were definitely well let me let's talk about that right that's our next topic and so this is what's happening as the stimulus has run out right here in washington and what they've been doing is constantly extending unemployment insurance or out of my benefits but we haven't really been talking about a whole lot are these training programs for the unemployed and so a lot of states are starting to just lose funds they're completely drying up and you know so i wouldn't do that because it's not the area that we should specifically be focusing on some people don't believe that the government can create jobs they can't think government help provide training so that now that the economy is slowly picking back up again right it looks like the private sector is hiring again so that you can actually have workers that are prepared or that are trained for the jobs that need fill up this is the lowest of low for training
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workers if you look at the u.s. we have a much different education model in countries like france or germany where you have true church truck you have people who go to college and you have occasional schools and that's kind of where we have workers and fall in between the cracks who don't have quite the skills to fill the jobs that we need in good manufacturing jobs and that's where community colleges and that's where job retraining come in we're failing they're leaving the funds just go away because i mean we're going to present a priority right now in obama's new budget he's asking for i think two point eight billion dollars more for these training programs in the republican budget training programs are one of the things that gets us to it is it's actually true that leverage and skills mismatch is one of the biggest problems with the employment labor pool today and this is not actually just a unique choo-choo right now in two thousand and twelve. in the past couple years this is ben a growing problem this guy actually going to continue to be a growing problem for the next decade is we're sort of all we're shifting we're changing it's growing probably less right now than we were in two thousand just
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that we know it right we were going to action that we were yeah which is kind of nuts that we're spending more when we were in a recession we are now we don't necessarily have to be completely dependent on federal training programs and there's a new york times article today about this in the lead in that was a company of band lines trying to look for more commercial truck drivers and they in there's not enough people that have been going to federal programs to get these you know to get these license and they cost money to be able to will they can pay for that training there's no reason that we as taxpayers need to pay for the training for drivers for atlas fan lines they can pay workers those workers can commit to a two year contract they may work for alice used to cover the training that they have that they go anywhere else this is a model that can work it's something that american workers need to get their heads around though is this is different than the way we're used to doing or were used to being able to go and get a job can't do that anymore we're trying to be reliant on
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a federal program college right and getting you know if you do that through any training when you're in college you know you're reading about now we need to accept yeah but now we need to accept that you know maybe the model is ok i want to be a commercial truck driver would rather than having the taxpayers pay the four thousand other class for this the company that i work for they're going to pay for it and then i get a guaranteed job for a couple years from now i just i'm very skeptical of that companies these days who don't want to have to spend an extra dime because all they want to focus on is profit are going to be willing to do that training the balance right so maybe that maybe really do we even selves off it was that was one it's one of the absolute let's do our last story here before we wrap this up too is that a year ago about a year ago the obama administration said that they were going to force that all contractors to disclose their political donations in about a year now so the hills and. well it seems like this is dead they focus on people and they said yeah it's probably not going to happen before the election and i mean why do you think that is is not kind of
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a popular theme right now is that we want more transparency with more accountability with that actually help them in getting reelected i think on this one there was a little too much political cost you know the republicans attack this is an attack on political speech there are other parts of campaign finance reform or of a slam dunk for democrats you talk about corporations disclosing who's. giving money to talk about individuals and super pacs this one is a little bit harder for them to make the case of rage because they're not the conduit is this is that when this is really the obama administration picking the wrong point to sort of like kneel down from the republicans is this is actually very very important federal contractors they can pass it their rent seeking through their donations and disguising it as political speech we don't want political speech stifled by any means but we also don't want companies to be able to be giving donations that wind up getting directly related to them getting a bid that's a problem that's transparency that both parties should come around saying well hopefully something might have been right there's a number of the legislation that are kind of working their way through
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a couple to see it after two thousand and twelve election after the horizon but that's kind of you know if you ask me kind of a week. are you guys thanks so much for joining me tonight. coming up after the break a look at the legislation aims to keep the truth hidden from view about everything from factory farms. to look up to legalize cover up we'll speak with author david sirota says the. wealthy british style. market. i don't want really happening to the global economy
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with much stronger no holds barred look at the global financial headlines kinds reports on our. world with. its technology innovations all the developments around russia. the future of. the sky. the light will come down. so must you can i or others will be saying. tonight we have a glimmer of hope in the epic battle between copyright trolls and internet users see in this fight the copyright trolls the pornography company called hard drive productions hard drive monitor one of their films called amateur allured tali at first sixty three days and they found the ip addresses of ninety users who downloaded the movie through a bit torrent service so in true troll fashion the company wanted to take their
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information to the california courts so they could physically identify the people they were pirating the material not to force the infringers to pay out or face a lawsuit now until they reach the court. hard drive the narrative down just to the infringing computers when hard drive got to the u.s. district court of northern california they didn't quite get the stamp of approval to hunt down the pirates in person judge howard lloyd said that he would permit the discovery the judicial term for identifying individuals if the company showed good cause by proving that the person was real and if the company identified all of the steps that were used to find out person but this is a think hard drive didn't quite meet the requirements judge lloyd called the company's monitoring process a phishing exercise what i'm so explain that just because i as he has the account holders name that does not mean that the account holder was the one stealing the video and when president the judge the company admitted that the geo location tracker used to find the infringers most reliable but only for determining which
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country be addresses in not which state just exactly what the judge would need since as a district court ruling now obviously the hard drive productions case fell apart and the judge denied their request to find the people saying the following the court recognizes that plaintive is aggrieved by the apparent infringement and is sympathetic towards its argument that lawsuits like this look like this one are the only way for it to find and stop infringers however the court will not assist the plaintiffs who seems to have no desire to actually litigate but instead seems to be using the courts to pursue an extra judicial business plan against possible infringers and innocent others and i as the net so looks like the courts are actually exercising some common sense here now what is advocating for anyone to steal someone else's property but trolling around on the web then blackmailing people it's not the best way to teach them a lesson so this ruling is just more good news for those who oppose copyright trolls out there especially since just two months ago make a troll right haven had seven and more of their last was thrown out of course
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because they couldn't provide the judge any reason not to dismiss their suits now the judge was ruling only affects the state of california but the more decisive decisions like his and the better the chances the trolls will be stopped for good and to me that's a glimmer of hope. now we know the government likes to keep its own secrets from the people especially when they can throw them to the banner of national security but how about when it comes to keeping corporate secrets and states across the country legislation isn't passed to keep factory farming practices away from public view as well as the toxic chemicals that are used for fracking as well as corporate tax disclosure off the books he would think you would think with a better informed the public the better it is for the country the more transparency the easier it is for problems to be addressed so if that's the case what's behind these laws to let corporations keep their secrets well join me to discuss that is david sirota talk radio host and author of that to our future how the one nine hundred eighty s. explain the world we live in now they were thanks for joining us tonight you know
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you wrote about this and you mentioned a number of different pieces of legislation that were working their way through the states out there but let's start specifically with the ag gag laws that you referred to can you tell us more about where it's happening you know there's about five states right now on basically criminal law is the act of infiltrating a factory farm taking pictures of factory farm when authorized and this is in response to the consumer backlash of this factory farming industry in light of revelations about the mistreatment of animals unsanitary conditions at factory farms around and clean up factory farms rather than states making sure regulators are making sure that back through farms or cleaning them selves up the factory farming industry agribusiness is joining together to moderate state legislatures to paris laws that simply prevent citizens from finding out what kind of atrocities
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are happening in most factory farms i do we have any idea how much money they're really spending on this stuff you know like i'm just curious as to what exactly the case is that they make to the legislators when they're pushing this type of you know this. bill aside from i guess the fact that it's if it's private industry that i want anyone on their property trespassing right and taking pictures if they don't know it well it will be her business industry is one of the most powerful corporate interests in our state legislatures right now and the amount of money they spend on lobbying and campaign contributions it's absolutely enormous again specially the state level where a lot of the regulation is supposed to be taking place where they basically argue is that they argue going to the private property rights argument they also make a slander argument they essentially say that for a state to protect its own economic interests it has to prevent annoying or otherwise troublesome meddlesome activists and journalists from calling into
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question how those economic interests are behaving so you've got two arguments you've got a private property argument and you have basically an economic protection argument and of course left to the wayside are questions about animal rights human health the danger of the food supply there are a lot of news stories that have come out inside agriculture operations have really . yeah what does that tell you about priorities and imagine that you know that a lot of these responsibilities are left up to the states but at the same time if you look at what's happening on a federal level right now you have the f.d.a. who looks like it mike slashing in the budget if their public image especially goes through saying that well they when it comes to poultry farms we're going to let them self inspect and essentially let them self regulate because it's just too expensive. that's always the argument that the industry should be able to regulate itself and frankly that was the argument that was made back during the time to some
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clare's that the jungle of the jungle of course was that was the famous novel that was written eighty or ninety years ago at a time right before the first food safety laws were passed in this country and the industry at that mindset was simply you know not to worry about the dangers of the food supply don't worry about the way workers in these factory farms are treated the way animals are treated and ultimately we as a society said no we do have to worry about how all of this is happening and we can't trust the industry to regulate itself we can't trust the fox to car the hen house right now essentially corporations in the agriculture industry making the opposite case they've gone back to making the case that they made back in the at the or any early twentieth century that we should all just simply leave them alone the problem is that we know that an industry that has a best interest in maximizing profit is going to cut corners is not going to regulate especially the food supply in a way that most consumers would expect and want to be grating. yeah. very promising
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me at all but it's not just happening in the agriculture industry fracking right you also bring out this piece of legislation that was passed in pennsylvania that just sounds so crazy to me tail you can go in that out i'm sure of fracking is this controversial or them gas from the process where well and gas trailers pump huge amounts of water and toxic chemicals deep into the earth to try to extract extra amounts of oil and gas from existing wells there have been questions about whether fracking has contaminated around water and there have been studies from duke university studies from the environmental protection agency suggesting that people have a lot to worry about in terms of those toxic chemicals getting into groundwater supplies the so the industry has responded first by trying to block any even disclosure of what kinds of chemicals it's putting into the ground so laws that have been put forward simply said the industry you have to tell us what you're being what you're putting into the ground and the know what was it that you can't with the stuff in the ground the industry has spotted that in some cases the industry isn't forced to
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concede and say i will sell some state regulators in some states what kinds of chemicals really we're putting into the ground except they are even at that point in some states they are trying to kind of end around in pennsylvania they've actually passed a law which says that while the industry has to disclose the state regulators for the chemicals they're putting into the ground and physicians can have access to those that information if they're treating a patient who may have been exposed to those toxic chemicals a physician can actually tell the patient specifically what chemicals they have been exposed to and so it's a physician care not. now you know we already thought about the fact that clearly there is money involved here obviously natural gas oil industry they've got a lot of money to throw around the agriculture industry is a lot of money thrown around but it does seem so contradictory right because we know the government as i started out this bit they like to veil lot of things and secrecy when they can claim that it's good for you because it's a matter of national security and therefore it's keeping you safe but then here you
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know this is a matter of public health and therefore public security and line is money and i guess just why does money went out right why do the corporations went out in this sense when it's really about what's what's going in all of our bites because this is a political system where the ideologies change when they serve money be there is no ideology unfortunately consistent in our politics which says the public should be served what it says is that arguments about the public and you served will shift as long as shifting those arguments means that money and profit is protected my question of many of these industries because remember many of these industries that are using the government to shoot using the power of a lot to hide information from the public many who say they have nothing to hide but there's a there's a dissonance between saying that they have nothing to hide if you will gas industry so you know fracking is perfectly safe and at the same time saying they don't even want the public to know what kinds of chemicals are being used and frankly if you have nothing to hide then you won't be using while being money and political
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campaign contributions to get states to pass laws so let you have been for me. just makes sense david i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight thanks for having me. just ahead you said i read it and i know why is the u.s. government training a group that they themselves list as a foreign terrorist organization mistake with a raise in iraq even the national iranian american council about the apparent conflict of interest.
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