we. are thrilled. he spent three decades on death row but it seems nothing can break his resolve our talks with one of america's most infamous inmates and now we're learning it let the media of who drawl tell his story and his own words i know a little bit about discipline making sure that goes for protection and fire protection he might use in the ass be a knowledge act to actively seek and prosecute more whistleblowers than any other president in american history that president obama is right on track we'll show you

how blowing the whistle could cost you more than your career. and last year might have been the arab spring but occupy wall street might be the movement to watch in the coming weeks with the weather warming up protesters are once again coming out in large numbers will find out what's in store for the so-called ninety nine percent spring. it's tuesday april tenth and here in washington d.c. i'm liz wall and you're watching our. well the case has become known throughout the world among the elderly jamal spent three decades on death row he's now spending life bahar behind bars without the possibility of parole and he was accused of shooting a philadelphia police officer back in one thousand nine hundred one but questions

still remain over how evidence in this case was handled and so this day he maintains his innocence as supported believe he was mistakenly convicted because he was black and he recently lost his latest appeal to the council of that pennsylvania supreme court r.t. got an exclusive interview with him at his first interview with a television station since being being taken off death row our take on assaulting a churkin a has a story book once and for folks like. to mention in. this budget is monitoring and recruiting this call and more than half of his life monitored and controlled watched by the f.b.i. since the age of fourteen revolutionary activist and journalist new blood you will spent three decades of his life on death row i like to tell myself i've actually spent a lot of. the bars and in other countries. it of

course were basically little people so for. the truth. most widely here in my life. in generally media had his sentence reduced to life without parole he called in to speak exclusively with archie from prison the feeling of moving ahead with fusion still hard for him to shoot in any way. it might all by. back. in one nine hundred eighty one the former black panther was accused of killing a police officer in philadelphia mia has always maintained his innocence and his analysis is a revolutionary announces that this is is rotten to its core that it's race is class is sexist evil and that is the head the leader of an imperialist. down the nation of the world it is this money and his supporters say that led to his arrest us was a police frame up against

a revolutionary journalist and activist why are we wrong organizer and philadelphia outspoken against police abuse while the u.s. claims to not hold political prisoners near has become one of the most well known in the world and honorary a lot of moving citizen in over twenty cities with a street named after him in france so. many of the books have been translated into nine languages and sold hundreds of thousands of copies his case is one of the most to beat it in modern legal history fifteen of the police officers involved in collecting evidence in movies trial were later charged with corruption and tampering with evidence to attain a conviction fifteen of the thirty three the first supporters a symbol of a flawed justice system only a third of u.s. prisons are built for the broke and the homeless well mass and carson ration in

america has reached unthinkable levels one year a lot. of projects. perhaps four or five other countries come by you know so it's sponsor me it says the adoption of laws like the petri act and the and aids has given big brother tactics a legitimacy unimaginable when he was still a free man everything to. the mighty and sixty's and the eighteenth fifty's and like. seventy's. legalized they legalized legalized the very things that f.b.i. agents and administrators knew was criminal back then so where is america headed election season in the united states right now who people trust who would you vote for nobody frankly because most of the people that are out to be too big your political parties have been a top of it all i hear is a kind of that. reasonable. wish to return

to being is of your the nineteen fifties or they talk about the perpetuation of the american empire imperialism by god i mean what is there to vote for as there are fifteen minute monitors phone calls from rap stop to consider me as a message for those who believe in him organize organize organize and i love you all and i thank you for fighting for me now let's fight together for the future can a party. that oppose more about her end of the arctic correspondent on a saw theater can i joined us earlier from new york. say. bullis you know what anybody who follows me a good humala who follows his books who follows his weekly radio commentary usually knows what his. attitude is about when it comes to social issues political issues the economy in the united states he talks about the most important events

taking place in the united states and the world but the reason this interview was interesting to us is because we've got to get to get a sense of the personality and talk about some of the some of the more personal issues i got to ask where he thinks he would be if he were a free man where he would want to be and in what kind of a ventilator the last thirty years he would like to participate and he told me that he would like to be able to travel across africa that he would like to take his family his wife and his children and his grandchildren even to france to see the street that's named after him and he told us that if he could participate in any one of the events taking place over the last thirty years while he was on death row he would like to have been part of the. mood movements in south africa as well as what he called any movement for freedom taking place throughout the world now listening here so already there and i thought it was interesting the way kind of left up his his message to the public was organize organize organize and i know

that he is a supporter of the occupy wall street movement but it's a take on that. that's true liz we did get a chance to talk briefly about the occupy wall street movement and he has indorsed it in his work in this interview he told us he thinks it's a good beginning he said he feels the occupy wall street movement needs to be bigger stronger and even angrier to get a message across but to whom near he said it's a damn good beginning so he hopes the occupy wall street movement will continue now to talk a little bit about the personal feeling that you've gone from him because it seem like he has any hope i know that he just lost his latest appeal that he seemed hopeful for the future and in terms of any alternatives. well even lose he's definitely lost somewhat of a faith in the u.s. justice system which we do talk about in our interview but what's interesting about new media is that even though that he even though he spent as much as three decades on death row and sort of really using that time to soak and blame the rest of the

world for this what he did was spend the time to educate himself and work and write books and get to know the world and like he says in the interview to really mentally travel to countries where he can't visit so he's that time for you know significant purposes of learning and so he doesn't really seem to be disappointed he certainly needs the best of what he could out of that situation he's found himself in and it's for this reason that he's become a symbol around the world but can you talk a little bit of more about what he's come to stand for. certainly was that is one of the reasons he's become so known and loved by countless supporters throughout the world he is in a sense a little bit more known internationally rather than in the united states a lot of the supporters of his that we've spoken to or himself included say that's . because of the sort of propaganda really ginsters case he is more known abroad

and in the europe so certainly you know this is something that he feels is important for him this message of wealth equality of social justice to pass through this message home to a lot of people because these are issues that a lot of people are dealing there is poverty in this country there's obviously people who've lost their homes and jobs and the fact that he talks that it's important for those people to be able to get back on their feet and fight for their rights that's a popular message with a lot of people here in the u.s. to a on it's off the air thank you very much for keeping us updated on on this story that was our to correspondent on a stasi a caricature and a c.b.s. entire interview with me out we can all just go to our web site it is r t dot com slash usa it's on the top stories on our front page just look for the exclusive bug and it will take you to the full interview. a war on whistleblowers

in america another government official has allegedly blown the whistle and facing the consequences for doing so if armor a cia officer by the name of john kerry who was indicted on thursday on charges of leaking secrets to journalists but it's not the first time he's been in hot water for blowing the whistle he's the man that exposed the cia's use of waterboarding on terrorist suspects. and there is another case that's not quite making the headlines sibel edmonds is a former f.b.i. language specialist that blew the whistle on security breaches and cover ups within the within the f.b.i. and she says the f.b.i. has attempted to block her from making it all public and her book here it is. here's the book in question it is called classified a civil action and story so is there an effort to silence whistleblowers today for some answers i spoke earlier to someone who knows a lot about this subject stephen cohen attorney for civil admins and he's also the author of this book the whistle blowers handbook he explained the details of

misjudgments case and the response from the f.b.i. take a listen. years ago and she her case had a lot of notoriety and it was one of the first cases where the bush administration invoked the state secrets privilege which is this doctrine that essentially puts a censorship veil over everything you want to blow the whistle on but this fight over the exposure of government misconduct goes all the way back to the american revolution and the first amendment and the first amendment the u.s. constitution was enacted to prevent precisely what we're seeing unfolding today people in the government witness the abuses and they have a right to blow the whistle on it and that's where subelements case i think is going to be critical because we are challenging the legal predicates that they have used to prosecute and suppress whistleblowers throughout this country and we're

challenging them now because they're illegal and unconstitutional were taken to be offensive now you are saying that this dates back to the person that meant that it's freedom of speech though when you say it and that attack this attack on a whistleblower is that an attack on freedom of speech absolutely it's fundamental to speech and if you go back to what our founding fathers said they said that it's government misconduct that the government wants to suppress the public ever learning about so the heart of the first amendment it's essential core was to prove to permit people to expose government abuses but what we see in the censorship cases is that the government is using its power to intimidate to prosecute to threaten and to stop government employees with information be it waterboarding information like symbol admins had about misconduct in the translation services preventing the american people learning about the abuses of their government and

that's why we have the first amendment you know it's funny you can read. people magazine or watch t.v. that's great it's protected under the first amendment but the heart of the war of the first amendment is the protection of people who want to expose the misconduct of government now president obama has in the past especially. when he was campaigning for president has a bow to protect a little blowing in the u.s. and here's what he has said about i think we have that clip here. wrote the brief for the federal. for the federal law the federal. law to make sure that applied. more situations it went all the way to the supreme court and we won so i know a little bit about this along making sure that goes for your protection. ok so

president obama there speaking out saying that whistleblowers valid to protect us a blowers yet president obama has been actually the way that it's played out it's been quite aggressive and dealing with whistleblowers much more so than even the bush administration why is that what is behind well we need an adult in the room we need someone to stand up and say ethics in government is important and those in the government who want to suppress dissent have to be either pushed back we're they have to be fired we have to be aggressive on this or drama has essentially taken national security and all of the issues and all of the whistleblower concerns and. he's been good and whistle blowing in the private sector he's actually on the schizo front on some whistleblower issues he's been good but for national security for people who want to expose violations in the f.b.i. and the cia in iraq and afghanistan critical issues he's been terrible but he follows in the footsteps of every other president except the founding fathers who

actually defended national security research blowers and pushed through the first amendment that's why in this case we're not sitting back and saying you know prosecute me destroyed me we're getting aggressive we're demanding that the f.b.i. hear the first amendment and that rules and regulations that are in violation of that fundamental principle of human rights be voided now we have your block here in the whistleblower is handbag a step by step guide to doing what's right and protecting yourself. what is your number one piece of advice to a little or is it i number one believe it or not is follow the money follow the money most of corruption is financially induced there are defense contracts there are jobs people are trying to protect there's billions in taxpayer money follow the money most of the retaliation is financially based and there's actually some very

powerful whistleblower laws that can protect you if you use them right and the most important whistle blower law is the first amendment of the us constitution we have to put teeth behind it we have to reinvigorate it and we have to make sure our officials here and aracely even we are seeing a lot of these cases we spend a lot of time covering the case of bradley manning the allegedly glower that allegedly leaked hundreds of thousand documents to the with the blind web site wiki leaks amid all this what with but let the future with the growing in america it's a constitutional crisis if you look at the manning case forget the first amendment they tossed that out they denied him there they submitted him to cruel and unusual punishment three constitutional violations we have to draw a line we have to demand that our constitutional rights are protected we have to take those claims to court and go all the way to the supreme court if necessary and

then we have to go to congress and the american people and fight for those rights these rights are not passive if you wait for someone to give them to you they will retaliate and you'll be waiting a long time it's important for the whistleblowers to get aggressive to understand where their protections are what laws are out there and use them this agreement they had said well admin sign is illegal under supreme court precedent so we had to dig through the documents find it and now we're going to push it because this. that there are censorship document that the predicate their censorship on said the director of the f.b.i. can censor federal employees if they disagree with the policy being advocated by those employees and it's unconstitutional all of the cases say their right to censor is limited to classified and secret yet the f.b.i. is saying they can censor based on policy these are the types of rules that they

sneak in but have to be challenged all right and i'm sure you talk a lot about that in your with of jorge and i hadn't but thank you so much for coming on that you know i was even cone attorney for the eleventh and author of the book the whistle blowers and mark. it is of time magazine have cast their ballots for the year's most influential figures across all fields from politics to attack and pop culture and the winner is anonymous a group of activists are to take the top spot just before the voting ended easily beating out eric martin the general manager of the online sharing community rabbit should anybody be surprised that anonymous is so popular this is how they describe themselves they are the most powerful. pushes the seventeen to thirty. one forces start force is what we don't store

or we don't give our new. year's morning there's a quarter. of a group shots of fame over the last year or so and that time they've taken on greed corruption are around the world and they seem to have a soft spot for the occupy wall street. we. are brothers and sisters of knowledge. in our interest for. this in. other cities that we the people are starting from the work of the people or were. there for everyone. here there are no other public spaces. observers are not buying the results in the name source told the social media site national poll that anonymous had most likely hacked the vote on twitter anonymous called the claim quote

complete rubbish and then tweeted here they handle at mashable ever stop to think that maybe we were leading because i don't know people like us and actually voted for anonymous sounds like national mashable dot snack down for talking trash while the readers have spoken and time magazine's top one hundred and one job people poll the magazine will have the final say when the results are released on april seventeenth so it will be interesting to see if time will follow the will of the people. well the occupy movement has about to revive their protests this spring and now a group of organizations across the country plan to hold hundreds of training sessions their goal the train participants to be better more effective are protesting almost like a boot camp for protesters now numbers include move on green peace and rebuild the dream so how the occupy movement inspired moralization to partake in the protest

and what is the future of the movement for more about the ninety nine percent spring i was joined by j. meyer said he's an independent journalists here's his take. so the idea is to conduct direct action trainings and train one hundred thousand activists in the skills needed for direct action i spoke with a trainer mark provost who's an occupier from new hampshire who told me that this consists of a screening of an excerpt of the movie the heist which is about the sort of regulatory institutions in the political economy of new liberalism that it will consist of some skill sharing some thinking about movement building and local action training and best practice sharing and it's worth noting that among the sort of organized organizations that are involved in this rebuild the dream and move on and sort of more institutional organizations that have affiliations with the democratic party are joined by some really quite good grassroots activists

movements code pink three fifty the group that is primarily responsible for having pushed back the authorization of the keystone x.l. pipeline the rocket societies some some organizations that are quite a bit more radical than the ones you named are also involved in this and it seems like what the goal is to do is to provide sort of like you say a boot camp foot soldiers so to speak for the movement noticing that the activist tendencies in the united states are not grounds to the democratic party's agenda but rather this sort of confrontational direct action against coal companies banks whatever other sort of corporate entities are leading to the ruination of the american economy and i imagine some organization there thumb of them are more confederate to be more radical than other than reading about this i read that there are some concerns that the liberal some liberal groups could be trying to calm them and then what are your. that seems like

a completely baseless allegations to me i mean i can imagine what about this smacks of cooperation in order in other words what is occupy wall street entitled to that these other groups aren't the percentage of ninety nine percent of the season spring the idea of direct action with which of these things is theft really what it seems like to me is the other way around that this looks like occupy wall street's co-optation of these other groups that are given to doing petitions and letter writing campaigns and other sort of more traditional safe forms of activism and now appear to be influenced by occupy wall street to sort of plug into the kind of thing that occupy wall street is doing which is to say direct action he is providing one hundred thousand people activists trained in direct action isn't the most useful thing these groups could be doing to further occupy wall street what is now where with all these groups coming on board what is your prediction how big will it be in terms of participation and where the protests well take place.

well it's all i'm talking to this guy who's a trainer mark provost he indicated that the the ideas for the protests were a. participant generated in other words there was no proselytizing from move on to the democratic party or any other group this is mostly a sort of skill sharing and movement building activity that allows people to plan local actions and to coordinate with one another so how the thing actually plays out will be interesting to watch i mean i suspect that it will amplify the number of people who are prepared to take leading roles organizing may day protests perhaps tax day protests things like that but it's not as though this is a training camp that will then go out and make some big national action it's mostly a skill building initiative and in terms of targeting corporations you know have come to taking a stance against corporate greed and corporate corruption can you talk about maybe

some of the organizations that they plan on occupying or targeting. yeah i can tell you that there is going to be a big effort to publicize the imminent downfall of bank of america which looks like it could go insolvent any day in this as a tate a new round of bailouts and a new double dip recession and lots more joblessness every month occupy wall street their new campaign is called fight back with p. a c. which is bank of america's stock ticker code three letter code. so that's going to be a big topic of discussion for occupy wall street is bank of america and then of course the keystone x.l. pipeline the president obama's administration is trying to speed up authorization for its southern part and this is what the nasa's chief climate scientists said this would be game over essentially for the climate so there's going to be a lot of focus on that too i suspect but you know it depends on how this spring shakes out i mean who knows what institutions will be revealed to have massive

interior rot in corruption you know reigniting a whole group of protests i think that will partly depend on circumstance as it unfolds over the next several months and lastly election fear that is in full slaying. any hopes their idea on how this could impact the campaign the election. i think that occupy wall street has a sort of more long view focus than just election to election i think that it's essentially trying to incentivize what i think the more the less revolutionary the more reformist minded you tires are hoping to incentivize a new kind of candidate a new kind of candidacy and disincentives a certain kind of candidacy and this the hope is that this will play out over the next decade or so. analogous would be the. the civil rights movement where in one nine hundred fifty five when the montgomery bus boycott happened there wasn't a congress that could pass the civil rights and voting rights act and there wasn't

a president who would sign it but over the course of a decade of agitation and pressure on the political powers. a new sort of congress was elected a new sort of president and people who were amenable to the kinds of changes that the civil rights protesters were demanding so i think that that's the goal is is far as electoral politics is to exert constant pressure over a matter of years and create a new sort of political formulation where what is currently a radical idea becomes a mainstream idea that has a right and a congress that they can. sorry to cut you off there we're just we're just at a time but i appreciate you coming on the show that was very. independent journalists. well that's going to do it for the news sports and i be sure to stick around the big picture is coming up at the top of the hour at the racially charged case of a seventeen year old african-american who gunned down a community watch member lorida has taken yet another turn george zimmerman's legal

team announced today that they have lost contact with their client and are therefore no longer representing at night and will shine light on the case as well as the stand your ground law that is active in over twenty. last night the hottest march in the history of the u.s. but that isn't enough to convince critics that the man made global warming. israel tonight tom we'll give you some signs that even the best politicians can ignore that's coming up all new and a half hour. now for more of the stories we covered you can head on over to youtube dot com slash artsy america we post all our interviews and stories right there and also on our website and just because our show stops doesn't mean the news does for the latest on the stories we covered today and a few that we did you can check out our website and that is at our t dot com slash usa. so if you miss a.