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you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for like sleep you think you understand it and then he lives something else here's some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. for. the. archive time for you said it and i read it right
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a time to respond to my brilliant engaging viewer comments on facebook twitter and you too when you come for me to say i listen now first i want to respond to a viewer that commented on our story yesterday on this but i mentioned the bill's bevy of very important tech supporters the big heavy hitters like facebook so heavy transit commented on you tube funny how facebook supports this but because you know they love selling people's information now if it was allowed for the theola of your personal information but it would certainly allow for the sharing of it with governments maybe even third party and that is what facebook does best after all they've been caught time and time again sharing their users information with third party applicants applications and even the general public so yes there's been paid but they have something in common they both want to share personal info only one in the name of cybersecurity and one in the name of profits and next i want to respond to a viewer that watched our interview on the report by seymour hersh of the united states
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was training the any k. in the us during the bush administration our viewers comments very much i go to thoughts that we often have debates because three commented on youtube another group of fun and then turned on later james bernie said on facebook amazing the american government has learned from past mistakes i wonder how long this will take to bite them in the ass again now i'm asking myself the exact same thing who funded many a group and then come to regret it was you who did the contras just to name a few and it appears that we have not learned our lesson at all in fact quite the opposite we continue to fund unsavory regimes opposition groups all across the globe as long fits our immediate interest now with our principles or the long term effects and finally i want to respond to a comment that if you were not in response to our happy hour segment for monday where myself producer jenny churchill and our guest we were scrunchies in solidarity with hillary clinton while some of you. has enjoyed the scrunchies and
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got the joke our viewer jason shaul did not and said hillary is disgusting and then said she needs an eagle warmonger so let me just take the moment to say that while yes we did not scrunchies in our hair to express our solitary sort of solidarity with hillary it was just her right to express her fashion sense or lack thereof not actually her policy choices and that that my rantings and i will be back with more as usual in that week. well that's some good news coming out of the ninth circuit court of appeals which struck down the federal government's interpretation of the computer fraud abuse that one of the courts said could run the risk of criminalizing the conduct of millions of americans so if you live in the nine western states that are covered by this court it looks like you're safe from prosecution for simply violating an employer's computer use policy and here's how the majority opinion written by chief judge alex kozinski read minds have wondered since the beginning of time and a computer gives employees new ways to procrastinate i-g.
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chatting with friends playing games shopping or watching sports highlights such activities are routinely prohibited by many computer use policy all the employees are seldom disciplined for occasional use of our work computers for personal purposes nevertheless under the broad interpretation of the c.f.a. such minor dalliances would become federal crime well it's unlikely you'll be prosecuted for watching grieving t v on your work computer you could be employers that want to rid themselves of troublesome employees without following proper procedures the threat to report them to the f.b.i. unless they quit ubiquitous seldom prosecuted crimes and by arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement now this decision stands out in the way that several other circuit courts of rules so we could be seeing it go all right a supreme court but first let's find out more about this attempts at government overreach and how to apply to the case of bradley manning joining me to discuss is josh gerstein reporter for politico josh thanks so much for joining us tonight and
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i guess if we could just start by going back to the computer fraud and abuse act and what was the actual purpose of it was when it was originally passed well i think it dates back to nineteen eighty-four or so and the idea was to basically have a law that would make it a federal crime to break into somebodies computer it seemed like it was primarily aimed at people who were outside of the government office or a business office trying to crack into their computers and pull information out. and so here the court is saying that the language is so broad that basically if you're an employee and you're sitting at your desk and you're getting something that violates the policies they're technically they could be criminalized but were they just going after the problem or it or have we actually seen an example that has happened you know there have been cases where you've seen both employees be got going after it's it's really common now actually when an employee maybe leaves an office or is getting ready to leave an office it is often the case sad to say that
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they will try to take things that the company might consider their intellectual property there might be a dispute about who owns the information say my contacts list in my e-mail program if it's a company e-mail does that contact list belong to me or does it belong to the company there could be a dispute about that there could be other things that employee might have access to that they might like to take with them they may not always tell their current employer they're planning to do that and of course there are also cases cases where the employer doesn't you know shut off access and somebody might go back into the computer system afterwards or the case that actually went to the ninth circuit involved a former employee using other employees at the company that he was trying to recruit to take information from and so those are the kinds of cases where this this has been used but it's even been used in cases that don't involve an employee relationship at all. all right so not exactly because if you look at the way of the dissenting opinion was written they called it to kill
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a scenario as far fetched hypothetical as you know they weren't so so happy about it but on the contrary so i read a little bit. of their opinion there which mentioned reason heavey but if you keep reading more of it this judge mentions craig's less right he mentioned the farm bill he mentioned sudoku and the refreshing to at least see a judge be able to i don't know it's a name things like this isn't realize how it applies in real life and out there living in the stone age well yeah judge kozinski is a very internet savvy judge that may not be that much of a complement since most judges i think pretty much do live in the stone age or at least the yellow pad and pen age he at least is fairly familiar with what people are doing on the internet though he's made his share of mistakes in that arena because he left one time ie an archive online of his personal jokes some of which were off color and some bad videos that he probably shouldn't allowed to be on the internet so he's probably not an internet wizard but he's far more kind of person
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with web culture and pop culture probably than most people who are sitting on the federal bench. i i mean if you know i guess craigslist in farmville and fit ok you're doing good enough but you're right and offense but not being an internet reserve is still good enough for us these days when it comes to so many of our justices but he also said that this can even apply and you know you mentioned you don't necessarily have to be an employee but it also can be used just on a dating site if you lie about yourself well that's the problem it's not only the employee employer relationship where you have a question of what's authorized access but any time you're using any site on the internet that could range from craigslist to google to a dating site and the judge made the point that if you said you're handsome and six three and you're actually homely and five four that actually violates the terms of service of a lot of dating sites and so technically it would be a federal crime now you might think well why would the federal government ever come
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after me for something like that and they probably wouldn't except for the fact that there's been at least one case where someone was prosecuted for sending comments pretending to be somebody online that they weren't i think it was an adult woman an older older woman who was pretending to be a teenager and was bullying somebody else online the feds actually charged her with lying about her age i think it was facebook or something like that and they have she was accused of violating the terms of service judge kozinski it's point was nobody reads those you know it's like i tunes people always joke that they click through the terms of service and don't read them at all well you do now could be committing a crime if you violate any of those rules if you thought the federal government's interpretation here which this judge and his i guess eight colleagues who voted for his position. now it's pretty scary stuff and i think of a specific case you're talking about was a my space woman named mary drew was was caught bowling there but not only do most of us not read the entire terms of service contracts that are laid out there but it
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just seems like somebody really needs to read more closely the legislation that's passed in congress because so much of the. reading is just so broad in so they can you see exactly how the government tries to interpret it but i want to ask you before we go you know two of the charges i believe against bradley manning are also for speaking are for unauthorized access on the computers here does this ruling in any way change his case or affect it. i think it could affect it a little bit it doesn't directly affect it in that it doesn't control what a military judge is going to do that judge will probably look at all the rulings on this and as you mentioned earlier most of the rulings actually go against what the ninth circuit did yesterday so that judge would probably go along with those other rulings and also probably because he's facing some pretty serious charges there's aiding the enemy charge they could have him put in prison potentially for the rest of his life and then the computer fraud charges are pretty far down on the list that said if you could get those charges knocked out perhaps because of
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a judge's ruling that they didn't apply in these circumstances that would certainly be some sort of a boost and at least a moral victory for him if not necessarily a practical one in terms of the amount of prison time he might get if he's convicted now it's definitely part of the defense you know and i'm saying that he didn't actually exist any kind of access that he shouldn't have had access to a lot of these documents in the first place to which he was authorized josh thanks so much for joining us tonight ok great to be back with you. just ahead on the show when we come back our last hit eighty eight in the morning and for acting like he woke up in the mccarthy era yesterday he's our top time winner tonight and i'm happy our dads are going out there americans are lying and u.c.l.a. sent letters to one hundred ten students actually telling them. what's going on.
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itself you know there's a real headline with not. a problem with the mainstream media today is that they're completely disconnected from the viewers and from what actually matters to those viewers and so that's why young people just don't watch t.v. anymore if they want news they go online and read it but we're trying to take those stories that people actually care about and transfer them back to t.v. . is the state english speaking russian channel it's kind of like. russia today has an extremely confrontational stance when it comes to us.
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ok it's time for tonight's truth on award and this time because representative allen west if you follow republican fear mongering in my paper has bill infiltrating the u.s. you know latin america is a bad scenario threat number one but this week allen west exposed a different infiltration that he claims is widespread already happening at a government level. this is. the. world. at right everybody get ready because it's time to take a trip down the rabbit hole with wet eyed into the twenty first century very own red scare welcome to the year one hundred fifty i mean twenty twelve buckle your seatbelt because it's a valid you get we are canniness or being out in the u.s. government i know not alger hiss these are members of our very own house of
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representatives but you have communists once again made their way into the u.s. government where you have to ask out holding secret meetings working behind the scenes the spread of communism to the u.s. only one man knows for sure. it was responsible mr truman conclusion those responsible. for winning the competition but. i know it's not doesn't mccarthy if allen west and he's going to get to the bottom of it now unlike mccarthy west refused to name names but ocean were a good mccarthy i know that without a reason aims to persecute claims of communism are for it so when fred west office we had like a big drops a bombshell of all bomb shells there aren't in fact there's even entire web site out there and apparently this covert of qantas has been operating out in the open right under a very noses according to west office the congressman was there for eight of the
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seventy six members of the congressional progressive caucus the communist party of public referred with aggressive caucus as its allies the progressive caucus speaks for itself these individuals certainly aren't proponents of free markets or individual economic freedom. so that's right according to wes all seventy six members of the congressional progressive caucus are communists if you take a look at their website seems pretty legitimate but so whereas it's a front out front for a big bad climate or infiltrating our government from the inside so workers out of keith ellison if you thought that being a muslim in the us was enough to deal with buckle up because you just became a comrade and roll and bridge all ovah forget the struggles of being a latino in arizona because you've just been bred with the hot red iron of communism and yet i go to the vice chair of the progressive caucus as well as the other sixty nine members but that's not all take a listen to last october this progressive movement is really work communist recall
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that at the heart of the surge which were the nineteenth and twentieth century so we started to really see the face of the liberal progressives or. wow good not just the communism has infiltrated congress according to the way to as the liberal progressive movement is actually communism rebranded and the main street and lots of hard line awesome p.r. for so if you believe in fighting for economic justice protecting civil rights civil liberties promoting global peace environmental protection apparently to west that must mean your economy is telling point now obviously the progressive caucus is not always act in the interest of these issues they're supposed to support but that's a whole different story over say the entire progressive caucus and they're all communists representative allen west it's night time where.
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hi guys it's time for happy hour and joining me tonight r.t. correspondent christine and mike riggs says here and there at reason magazine and reason dot com i know i don't have. oh where should we start you know one of the things that we've heard a lot from people like rick santorum who now is sadly no longer a presidential candidate he's leaving us is out of here my girls they want you to go to college and that's just so elitist of them take a look at this. place you're going to want said he wants everybody in america to go to college what a small. good good piece appeared when you get your card every day and put their skills to test that are taught by some liberal college professor trying to indoctrinate. all right
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so does college make it or does it not according to a new study going to college and obviously can be applied different ways they're going to college makes people care less about helping to promote racial and her standing perfectly clear about this they told people about their attitudes on race when they got to college and then after one year at college and when they finished college and they found that across all races people cared less and less and less about promoting racial understanding the further they went through college. glass yeah i think obviously reason understanding right about trying to get rid of i don't know i don't know what that means i have no idea what i mean i think what it could mean is traditionally in this country you go to high school and grade school in the neighborhood in which you grow up so a lot of times that means that you go to grade school and high school with people that look a little more like you come from a similar socioeconomic background so maybe it's simply that when you get to college and i'm being optimistic here but maybe when you get to college you're actually in a place where you're with people of several races all sort of you know in your
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classes in your dining halls in your dorms so it becomes less of a concern because you feel like it's not an issue you know some kind of. guy i want to be really careful with i say here because like a large part of the intellectualized white supremacist movement is uses terms like real ism and stuff like that a lot of one of the ideas that like white supremacist promote is that once you actually get more experience living working whatever with other races you're going to realize that you should stick your nose i don't want to promote that idea but maybe it's true that like want to get to college or sort of realize like if this is a big deal there are black kids in my classes hispanic kids in my classes what more can i do here you know i'll go ahead and take the i am not a surprise there you know in the middle of nowhere to write and you obviously have . but then a lot of people just go out to places that in. rural areas where it's just a small college town or maybe you simply have other things on your agenda and on
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your mind after car so busy partying until yeah trying to get a lay reading all of you then doing all and here you are voting to raise understand exactly told. that our prosecutors currently they can try to go after you just for lying which basically means i mean i think politicians do this passed. i did not have sexual relations with that woman. miss lewinsky the british government which. we should be sure should never can force the use of uranium from africa. we know of course that there's that thing is. where you have to know why but listen to this so there's this thing called one zero zero one that's how it's known in. legal circles and basically it's a law against lying and so when federal prosecutors can't get enough evidence to
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bring other charges against a person they can try to do that and there's a story about this woman who basically she was entering biologists operator of whale watching but one of her boat captains whistled at a humpback whale that approached the boat then regulators investigated whether that incident constituted harassment of a whale which is illegal and now they're trying to say that she. lied so they're charging her not because she harassed because you lie i also think that because i don't really know what a whale is that they consider rassmann is the most absurd thing i've ever heard in my life actually i actually yeah i mean it just goes along the lines with creating laws that have such loose terms and of course it comes back to. really resonates with me which says it is better to be rich and guilty in this country than it is to be poor and innocent so you think of things like lying when you think of some of the loose terminology written in civil laws and that is what they used to prosecute people make sense. of the wide angle view which is that the government basically
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exists to create more work for itself and that's why we have laws like this like over criminalization of everything it's i seriously i like want to go to sleep and dream that now because it's boring because that's how exhausting that kind of garbage is and of course prosecutors would use it for this i mean the user where they can because they don't call a lot of boring you know it wasn't they were you also it's not boring it's exhausting it's like physically draining to hear about. just the misuse of government but it's always find something if they've got a great lawyer out there lou as yet there's some kind of loophole that will find the legal language but sometimes that's allowed to right i mean it's not always a federal jury just yeah sure what you get a good one because he's a more often. can we do this u.c.l.a. was it was about a story over ok it's not a sad story it's a great story but always to explain. that i think that we have a new story to do the explanation for me of take a look at last weekend for high school seniors on u.c.l.a.
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is waiting was also celebrated when they got a financial aid e-mail from u.c.l.a. that stated quote once again congratulations on your admission to u.c.l.a. we hope that this information will assist you in making your decision to join the brewing family in the fall. turns out they said that by accident it's over nine hundred students that were still on the waiting list and basically they just forgot to take off the last little letter there i just think that is was. this the saddest thing i've ever heard because sorry there's so much pressure involved when you're applying for college right people put a lot of dreams and hopes on to this it can you imagine just thinking yes i got it and then having everything touched after college admissions process is so excruciating only a motional it was for me i mean checking the mailbox every day waiting to see if you got into the school that you wanted and for a lot of e-mails with a laugh i mean for example you know. i mean u.c.l.a. were from california i mean that is
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a school that so many people out there dream school and to get on the waiting list and think that you then got into who knows maybe cancel scholarships or cancel acceptances and other places and then find out oh wait you actually didn't get it well that was ok because part is that ok no to other schools you maybe reject certain scholarships and other opportunities that you could have had and as a result you're left with nothing i'm ready to hear your spirit i mean it is these kids were in my community. at least crappy all their other plans that's probably why they ended up on the waiting list in the first place because without a person on the other hand i think this kind of experience is great preparation for the job market that awaits them in obama's america because they know what. to do you see only i know that's one of them sadly i know you're a coward never been on a college in obama's america will be out of college looking for a job in another president's america yeah ok it will be true it will be two thousand and sixteen yeah right something like that eric and i do it anyway here's
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what matters this is just the first of many disappointments for people who are younger than us that's all there is to it like it's good that they're learning rejection now because they're going to learn it in four years and whatever crappy state school they graduate from and they can only get a job like as a temp or like cooking fries like it's good to learn to like being painted into a. little less. well i don't know that we truly are i mean a dose of realism. here we have a problem where you give everybody a trophy everything won anything for you i'm not sure i do not know. if it could have been planned for the champion. you know it's absolutely tragic but like let's look at the silver lining there they're prepared to operate and like much more brutal america where a college degree doesn't even mean all that much i mean like all those are you know you'll get online and stay cooking fries at mcdonald's for the rest of their lives what ok guys you know i got out i was running out you know i had. clearly all the
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good looking elsewhere well ok this is. ok. thank you for turning. back tomorrow part of the glass managing editor at townhall be joining us for happy hour any time you know where to find us online twitter and you tube and coming up next. you know how sometimes you see a story and it seems so sleep you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. download the official and see how we can show you on the phone called touch from
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