it is to get the maximum political impact. the food source material is worth the journalism on us we. we want to position. something else. this is our see here your headline so the first ceasefire in over a year of syrian forces. comes into force following the u.n. deadline meanwhile russia calls for international monitors to be sent to the country as soon as possible to help to keep the peace. the president. says no threat pressure will make his country give up its rights to nuclear energy

the statement comes ahead of this weekend's talks on the issue with major world powers in time the first of. that. celebrates fifty one years since the. first flight of the final frontier russian scientists on the trail an ambitious plan of the moon exploration with permanent bases set to appear close just because my neighborhood within a. spotlight focuses on our quest for deep space. hello again oh welcome to start like the end to the show on our t.v. now we're not going to they will be talking about space april twelfth will always

be one of the greatest day in the history of mankind on this day i'm seeing thanks to one russian pilot god became the first man to fly into outer space it wasn't only a scientific breakthrough but a great cultural shift. but now half a century later it looks like space exploration has lost or losing its credibility with the police is becoming a routine is it known for or a logical result of progress we'll discuss it now with two people from two different castes and american science fiction author jack mcdevitt who's joining us from jacksonville just states and a russian cosmonaut and scientist since he took. during the first decades of the space race the use of nation was clear the

technological breakthrough apparently changed the soviet people's mind making every single kid dream of becoming a spaceman the day of yuri gagarin's triumph when he told it. has become a public holiday and as time goes by people's fascination with space has waned to rekindle that lost affection and you global event has been organized and that you raise night it's an opportunity for enthusiastic from around the world to celebrate and even on the international space station but as for the general public many know about it. hello hello sylvia hello jack thank you very much for joining us on the show and i like to start with a question i have back out about science fiction have course as we're talking space and since we're talking about about horizons that science fiction literature is

putting for us well. essentially you know science fiction was all about traveling to outer space it was a dream it was a dream of scientists it was a dream of writers it is becoming a routine so is still sort of the dream today a dream that you are dreaming soon again the jack is dreaming some crazy dream that may become a routine in it in one hundred years what would you say what is it i think the big big problem to start with is well there are two things one is very expensive and another is that we didn't find anything that has a trigger public consciousness. when the year you're talking about the twenty's thirty's forty's if you look at the science fiction of that period they were talking about finding canals on mars for example they were talking about. some kind of creatures somewhere in the solar system like they were if i remember a science fiction of the forty's they were everywhere there was all of that you

could go anywhere without running the whale eons and it turns out the place is empty there's not a way of of alien to the normal sense of other beings but it's empty even apparently of cellular life we have been able to find us a blade of grass out there yet and that tends to take a lot of the energy out of out of the. city well what the characters mention morse but people start talking about trying to populate mars or maybe the moon at least this become an idea that that will become as intriguing as space travel used to be . i think someday years when we start well we when we begin to realize we say dhea it should be their interest in. this one and i was in is if you the way medical problems of the russian economy of sciences and people showed me and told me about the great interest of public where their

mars. placed in. five hundred experiment. was go and the people on the earth. pandered to their. sample of the mars. well surface on the space suits and even this experiment was extremely interesting for people i'm sure that when we will begin to explore their more in-service it would be very interesting well we did interview the guys travel from these more modest five hundred mission was a very interesting show we did with the book actually before embarking on a mission to mars the russian space agency is planning to put america on our the moon spotlight he lives in iraq has more on this project. the russian space agency's plenty and to pull its first crew on the moon by twenty twenty the mission

is going to be no ottomar complicated than the one undertaken by neil armstrong steam in one thousand sixty nine it will not be just about leaving their mark on the moon it's planned to be just the beginning of the regular flight to the moon and the eventual creation of a food functioning scientific base but twenty thirty the russian space agency is calling for volunteers among the requirements for those who want to apply are a same or medical degree knowledge of english and the shoe size bigger than the u.k. size eleven finding that special person for the moon program might cover challenges public interest in space research has waned significantly the golden age for space exploration was between the nineteenth if these and nineteen seventies when the two superpowers the usa and the u.s.s.r. were in use competition for space superiority recurrently in the public's interest

in space exploration might well need another space race on this time they'll be more participants as india china and japan also set their sights on their hands. this rebel with their you said that we have a. found anything in space i mean like grass or something but it doesn't mean it's not worth i was thinking about it it doesn't mean it's not worth exploring so what would you answer to this question our reporter just put if we continue space exploration if we really fly try to plan it shouldn't be a joint project by russia and america china whoever won and the race would be healthy and running as you say i couldn't help thinking listening to the probably just run how much better things would have gone had we all been able to collaborate in trying to do something in space i didn't i didn't mean by the way earlier to say

that it's not worthwhile system because we didn't discover anything living what i meant was that when you don't have something alive out there the voters lose interest the other people the population of the country which needs to be on board i think. one way basically nobody looks like there are there are certainly some strong reasons forces go in the space of the serious for example. we can we can we have the technology now if we had the will to put some hundreds of put some solar collectors in space and we'd be able of being power back to earth and get away from well the need that we have for fossil fuels. that is not that difficult to do but nobody ever talks about it because the initial investment was extremely high. people are talking about about really using outer space russia is talking a lot about using outer space for. the economy for production well

first of all mineral resources like hell you three thousand on the moon can it really be extracted and can it ever be either be physical to really really take those minerals from other planets and use them other is russia working on you know i'm no sure as regards to hello three. general opinion of the majority of the members of risk of getting a census for example that is not in this century much more practical you know. collecting solar energy and sending the beam to the earth for example or establishing the nuclear power in this is the lessons in space then using the moon for space exploration not for minerals. on the moon we like it a lot for him there are a lot of a lot of water on the polar eras first thoughts are good for leaving people there

then the only minimum might be on. the moon as. you know it's a good for here in. the constructions. for the space exploration for the return to the earth and there if we talk about really flying is russia is russia going to make a new launch vehicle more powerful than russia is using today to to to send spaceships. here. and april fifth. the scope of vision in way to. mr purporting to talk about the. project was the head of the russian head of the right across most years to talk about the project of the strategy of the russian federation in space twenty thirty and he mentioned about the new launcher with the president of one hundred twenty turns. my personal

opinion sixty two and says is enough because the sixty ton is the meaning. for the whole nuclear installation for example we may collect. into a planetary spaceship after the ten launches why not so but anyway russia is on the way to peer been you havior launcher some of you jacques of the russian research cosmonaut and the scientists to my studio and then jacksonville united states jack mcdevitt and american science fiction writer we will continue this interview in less than a minute after we take a short break we will ask jack why time travel is never done so stay with us we'll go.

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welcome back to the spotlight and i would love in just a reminder that we have jack mcdevitt the famous son fixed right here in jacksonville united states joining us by satellite and sort of be a sort of gives you cover russian research cosmonaut and scientist here in the

studio spotlight we're talking about traveling to outer space and out and out what scientists fiction has to propose to to mankind jackie you are published a book a couple of years ago in two thousand and nine it's called time travelers never die well i can understand why they live or die and think i i would die if i was trying to appeal to those i don't think it's much fun but. was this science fiction was it fantasy how would you call a jar of this book time travel i would say it's a fair to say yes. it has to be and we know we can be pretty sure it doesn't happen otherwise we would see for example lots of time travel around the pavement historical events to watch but they don't show up so i think we could assume that it doesn't happen. the reason they don't die of course is that if it were possible

then that means that the time that we're in for example right now always exists as if it's so if somebody could go back in time for a look up i could join in this conversation that would mean that there's always a place where this conversation is happening you and i and surrogate would never go away. listen to you around your son's fiction writer but you wrote a fantasy book so are you yourself living proof that science fiction is dying and giving way to fantasy is the new popular genre for the young people less science more financing i would hope not but i want to be accused of. alexander you know it's. science. climb travel is considered science fiction because theoretically travel through time does happen particles a move the i understand i'm not a physicist but apparently some particles move backwards in time so if you know it

can happen but i don't think you and i are going to be able to make the trip but there's a fact that it's probably impossible based that fantasy that you know another question for example space of the light travels at a fancy probably but we don't know for certain since the start of the list we were going to be really really travelled about twenty minutes into the future said you know time travel those are but that's a one way one way street unfortunately. please tell me when what i was a kid when you're a kid all kids dreamt of becoming cosmic while the most of them right out of the loop majority of the russian women are the sort of kids wanted to be cars minutes. is this still the case i mean are there still young people that really i dare him to go to work to cause more i think still to come to work where what to do what you're doing are not really you know i have two sons one of them thirteen years old and another five years old both of them do not dream to go to space but i hope

that my grandsons will dream so it's like a way of. right now we're always in the new direction is always an interest of a spatial separation problem in a generation will also receive will keep this interest way because of new technologies more knowledge of. the universe more ability to fly the space. private space ships and much more. to explore solar system and it should be the next we're probably. hope it will not. it will not be in the reality but. we have been new space war movie in the middle of the century after the space war

will be. the face grew in of this space technologists and the interest of the space exploration. game made this happen the loss of interest in common objects may be happening because of that. fact that people lie like jack when they're growing older we're not having this great deal of science fiction published and they're so there no books that would inspire teenagers to do something to. like their rises. well. it's been you books of the science fiction frenzy we actually don't know. what is the reality what will be know the reality that you do you should be human intrusion into some of the writer we predict some you know new we. are

making technologists so we do need a new science fiction books to inspire. a jack jack what would you say do you think that do you think that science fiction is mostly inspiring the scientists or it's the other way around war are the achievements in science inspiring the writers to become science fiction writers what what is the chicken to that question alexander i used to be a teacher and one of the best things that always ever happened was when a student would get in touch five ten fifteen years later and say you know it was thanks to you that this happened there that happened. as a writer enormously fortunate i get regularly i get e-mail from scientists technicians engineers telling me that their national interest was sparked by reading a science fiction book that's what turns me i know it's what turned me off but i

certainly think it works the what we have to do is make sure that we don't. but we don't get so negative for whatever reason science fiction is out producing a lot of this tolkien novels everything's dial hill everything starker that's kind of it's kind of there retaining in a world where things are actually going pretty well. on the whole you know we are looking for now i think through it war more peaceful resolutions of problems for the most part it looks as if the various nations are beginning to cooperate a lot better than they did fifty years ago. so you know i'm hopeful i think that. i think is a very good chance that people are going to get rational and figure out that we can't just sit here what a planet is becoming increasingly crowded we're going to have to do something with a mix of major changes what we maybe need is you know it's something something to happen it would really ignite a fire the kind of thing that well you know you get guarino making that trip you know that that they've got people looking at the sky how about if we were going to

visit a we got some sort of evidence of how but there's been someone actually year where we got a close call from an asteroid just you wrote along with had doubts psychological problems of contacts with extraterrestrial civilizations when you wrote about that one of these books meant to help people when they will actually start contacting with e.t.s. what was it had doubts trying to actually communicate with each other when you wrote well in vision of science fiction well you know it's a hard question why is there alexander i'll not exactly sure why fascinated by that i'm not sure why people generally are so fascinated about an opportunity to meet aliens to sit down with a balance and have pizza and beer talk about the dates or the universe but we do we love that i cannot go to a meeting as a speaker without i'm always going to confront the first question i always hear is

widely even u.f.o.'s why i believe there are aliens out there are we going to meet somebody if people really fascinated by that and if i say no i won't believe in u.f.o.'s you bring it around the house and park it in my driveway let me kick the tires. they get really angry with me they're going to like you're welcome i say i don't think there's anybody else out there well but sure. people are fascinated at the prospect of beating someone else i was a great fan of the brothers of billy iverson some of the authors of a great brick when you yourself read maybe you still read science fiction books do you consider them like books about future had that really space travel or is it a way of trying to understand yourself which is what with well you know some of those predictions were to realize. some been but this psychological.

you know predictions still interesting for me. i just wrote the book of progress and when i. read all the evidence you know it's a good still still very nice. relationships between people psychological problems and the responsibility of the human kind about their planet so i also know i strongly believe for example about guide the evolution biological evolution of the human kind and. help us to explore the solar system. this idea i brought this idea of. so. it's about the future i consider the writer a science fiction writer was

a great job after the exploration is. you know. and my last question to our satisfaction friend across the water. jack the futuristic picture drawn in many sorry if i. books is rather gloomy so do yourself believe and a new brave world or you see the future of the pessimistically i wish the stars weren't so far. but i'm optimistic you know i think the fact that we've gotten through some of the huge issues that we have in the last hundred years and we come out on the other side that we were out well actually talking to one another and listening and we've begun worldwide cooperation and we don't have yet we're nowhere close to where we would like to be but we're getting there we're movie the right direction i think we're going to do fine in the long run i think human beings are going to be around for a long time and i absolutely we're going to have to get off the planet ultimately to survive and i agree thank you thank you gentlemen for being with us parents jack

thank you thank you series game just a reminder that my guests on the show today worked jack mcdevitt and american side find authors and syracuse you call to the russian research council in art and science and that's it for now from all of us if you don't have your sales process just to our spotlight we'll be back with more first time comments on what's going on and announced that russia until then stay on r.t. and take it to the.

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