today on our it's you have there's a one fact that's true about world history it's that no single country has been able to retain global dominance and law and more and more it's looking like the age of western power is waning but instead of focusing on zalman and should we shift our attention to diversity in county multilateral multilateral economy sustainable . well you know the saying if you snooze you lose well the u.s. may miss out on less needed oil of washington doesn't make up its mind about the keystone pipeline and fast because while american politicians debate environmental standards other countries are ready to make america's pipe dreams their own well

tell you we'll tell you all about and as crude intentions. making libertarianism cool as only are wrong paul supporter can add if the next stage of ron paul rival lucia and this one takes you through fifty states and thirteen branches of the federal reserve so that you too can help ron paul with his end game. it's friday april thirteenth five pm here in washington d.c. i'm liz wahl and you're watching our team. well it's no question that the world is changing socially politically and economically and with the u.s. and the u.s.

economy is not as robust as they once were and emerging economies such as brazil russia india and china rapidly growing geopolitics will likely look much less different than it does today but what exactly will that new world look like many predict that will be a world where the west no longer dominates by one author takes it a step further with this focus on a future of diversity rather than dominance and earlier i was actually joined by that author charles kupchak wrote this book no one's world and he told me about this coming global turn and gave me his predictions for the direction the world is headed take a listen. so i think three or four hundred years ago the globe turned in the sense that the its center of gravity moved from the mesopotamian valley in asia north and west to europe and north america that pendulum has started to swing again but i

don't think it's swinging to china or asia it's not going to be a chinese century i think it's swinging everywhere and therefore nowhere and so for the first time in history we will be living in a world that is interdependent globalized interconnected but no longer dominated by the west and that's why i think it will be no one's world we don't know when that moment will come when there is no longer a material and ideological gemini of the west but we know what's coming we better prepare for it and so are you talking kind of like the near future or decades from now or any idea and i don't know exactly when but any scale of that time for i think we're at the beginning of the end of a two hundred year period of western hegemony that opened in eighteen fifteen the end of the napoleonic wars and will begin to to move to the new era over the next decade or two and after the you look at the numbers china will surpass the united

states in global g.d.p. sometime in the next decade soon we will have a three currency world the chinese renminbi the euro and the dollar the brics countries brazil russia india china will roughly equal the industrialized world in about fifteen years so we're starting into that period of change we will be deeply into it within about a decade now you say that there won't be any centralized power given to any one country but today we can look at a country like china which clearly is rising politically and economically received our economy it's exploding and growing so rapidly and so why wouldn't you point to perhaps the shift heading towards a country like that but i think that the debate here in washington. recognizes the fatality is changing where i think we are just beginning the conversation is on the ideology what does that mean and we've been living in a world where i think people thought there was one road in history the western road

and everyone would end up looking the same and now i think we're starting to see different paths a chinese russian path more state capitalist political islam path in the middle east a populist path in latin america and i think the chinese will do very well but they will not globalize their world in part because they have assets others don't and talk apart because they're not democratic and so they won't catch on for that reason that i think no one will dominate it will be a a world without a global guardian now it's pretty clear that we are seeing this economic shift but i know that you argue that you're not convinced that western ideals of democracy and secularism and capitalism you don't think that those ideas are those ideals will necessarily spread either well i think that the west rose in a unique way it was very much about the rise of the middle class it was about the

reformation it pushed the church out of state it was about a secular brand of nationalism and when i look around the world i see countries taking different paths their own path so if the west was born by its middle class china's middle class is being integrated into the state it is not the vanguard of democracy in the middle east there hasn't been a reformation and probably won't be a reformation that means that mosque and states are deeply intertwined and it's those kinds of deep cultural and historical factors that lead you to believe that the twenty first century will be over centuries of most supportive of their energies not everyone converging towards the western way. no these the west will let this happen because let's say for example. we see what's happening with the riots the power of china and now the u.s. is responding to that by shifting their military strategy we see more bases kind of opening up surrounding china and they didn't allow to let this happen i think it's

important that the west understand it's happening because if their view remains that the chinese the turks the indians the brazilians the russians are all going to dock at our harbor that is to say play the western game i think we will end up in a very difficult and competitive world if the west realizes that it needs to compete respectfully in the marketplace of ideas with others then i think we may well see a twenty first century that's much more cooperative so the key is recognizing that we're at the beginning of this big change in history did change in the world and figuring out how to rebuild consensus and compromise with rising powers so now you say that this world is going to be one that is more diversified there won't be really wasn't clear world power so with this in mind should the u.s. then stop demonizing countries like china as kind of this evil communist power.

and just accept it as you know a country that is there for it politically and we should just respect that difference because as you say our ideals of democracy and capitalism don't necessarily spread for the rest of our old but i think the united states has always been a country that tries to broadcast its ideals and it should and will continue to do that but it needs to do it in a different way it needs to stand by human rights and stand by democracy but nonetheless to to grant that there are other versions of responsible governments and responsible government governments and in that respect i think we should speak out about political repression speak out about violations of human rights but. not treat as illegitimate countries that do not practice our kinds of politics that more pluralistic and tolerant statecraft in my mind will lead to a much safer world. no i'm hearing all this and it does make sense to

a certain extent but just speaking from my own experience doing some traveling to other countries third world countries you can still clearly see the employer when for us culture i'll just take something like the philippines for example you see rick donald you know everywhere you see a little kid singing justin bieber and you know things like that pop culture but still kind of that dry to be like on maricopa so it's clear that separation isn't there at this point so what's your response you know i think it's important to distinguish between the appeal of american culture america soft power and the readiness of other countries to fall of the american model in the american way and when i travel to countries around the world whether it's in south asia or east asia or russia or latin america i see countries that aspire to certain aspects of american culture but are also interested in and desiring of following their own

paths building their own kind of maternity and i also think it's important that the united states today along with its partners in europe and in japan are are are in a rough patch our economies are in neutral our political institutions are stumbling and that means that when emerging countries look out at the world and say who's a model works the answer sometimes is the american model but sometimes there are alternatives out there that are doing well and that i think is is going to add to the diversity in pluralism that i see coming around the corner that we may see different cultures what i guess more of a mixing pot or whatever works for a particular country yeah. but instead of a end of history which is what people were pronouncing fifteen years ago i think history is getting more interesting history is getting more diverse and mets not necessarily bad as long as we recognize it and go with it and see diversity and

pluralism not as a threat to the western way but is something to the capitalized and even the celebrated and to build a new cooperative ethic amid that pluralization of power and ideology all right charles very interesting thank you very much for coming on the show that was a charles cup chen author of the book no one's of our own. oh canada has taken the lead when it comes to boosting energy production there are plans in the works for a five billion dollar expansion of its transit now and pipeline that would trickle their capacity to move on to canada's about the coast it's hoped adventure will allow them to expand business but asia meanwhile plans for the u.s. keystone pipeline not going anywhere at least for now so let's take a look at a project canada is embarking on currently the keystone pipeline stems from canada and goes from the city of hardesty and alberta through steel city and then splits in half taking or l. to crushing oklahoma as well as

a token indiana. now here is the proposed plan for extensions to that pipeline as planned is currently on hiatus since the us state department ordered a review of possible alternative routes to avoid the environmentally sensitive sand held regions nebraska instead the kids are morgan pipeline company is planning to build five billion to nearly triple the capacity of its transmission pipeline like i said earlier that carries crude oil from alberta out of oil sands to tankers in vancouver so why is canada able to pull it off but the u.s. is stalled to discuss this and more i'm joined now by ronald bailey author of the book liber and biology welcome to the show ronald's first i want to start off by talking about the significance of this. playing that canada is

embarking on and what will it what it will give the capacity to do what happened as you point out is if you noticed haste decided to do lay the building of the keystone pipeline down from canada remember to the gulf coast states. basically will find we need a market for oil sands oil and we're going to go find that more and if you don't want it the rest of the world will so we will now build a pipeline to vancouver british columbia and start exporting oil sands oil abroad and if you americans that want to china will want to india will want to the rest of it so it's kind of their way of saying hey we don't really need you we can take our business elsewhere correct. so but the reason why the pipeline here in the us was kind of stalled these environmental concerns. they have all to the project from going through do you think it's possible that there is too much power from environmental lobbyist's. basically what's happened is that

a number of things one is yes there is too much power for in the moment ministration for environment. he is basically a president had to decide which particular constituency he was going to make angry environmental audience because he's coming into an election this year or he's going to make the unions to people who have constructed the pipeline angry and he decided he would get more votes by satisfy me about lobbying that's normal politics that's what he decided to do the problem is that his decision was based on very bad science and very bad economics he justified it on the basis that white harm the ogallala aquifer in the center of the country if it should burst and so forth and yet there's very little evidence that a great deal of harm would happen should the pipeline have a malfunction at some point. the other problem is the environmental lobby basically wants to try to isolate the oil sands after all there's the resources enormous it's one point seven trillion barrels there which using current technology you should be able to get one hundred seventy million to one hundred sorry hundred seventy

billion barrels just second only to saudi arabia as a reserve and they were trying to isolate because they don't want this war to be burned because of their concerns about global warming yes they said we will stop the pipeline in the in the case can't sell to anybody and now we see that that's not true that can age about growth we don't have to sell to america before and somebody else so you mentioned earlier how president obama kind of the scientists here cater to a certain constituency that constituency being the environmentalists. and it but now what we're seeing is gas prices going up. and it's election season and high prices at the pump make their i'm happy americans unhappy voters so not a good formula for the president is there more pressure on him now to take action with regard to the keystone pipeline. that needs to be done in terms of bringing those oil prices i think that at that point he would then lose the environmental

lobby he's just going to have to take what's going on but the truth of the matter is that the pipeline would not have been built in time to lower current prices of gasoline united states anyway so in a certain sense that doesn't matter of course in the politics you know states people will. you know try to draw that connection but i think it's not a real one nevertheless it is a strong symbolic connection because it does indicate that the president doesn't seem to be terribly worried about what's going to happen in the fuel prices and stage ok so let's talk a little bit more about you said it wouldn't happen in time for us to see measurable prices right now i thought anyway of the talk a little bit about what that oil pipeline and the last one do for fuel prices maybe in the long run well in the long run building it would have probably created about twenty five thousand permanent jobs would have boosted our supplies by at least a million barrels a day of supply united states we're already importing to two million barrels

a day from canada and eventually the ideas of a twenty twenty five we would be importing from the oil sands area about three point five million essentially that would be link us from any oil from any need to import oil from the middle east or phases like nigeria because while it can a as they put it we want to buy conflict oil oil from the middle east we want to buy i think a little oil that is oil from canada and i think the answer is we should have all the oil from canada now the rest of it now canada they are moving ahead with their very ambitious plan to expand. but the u.s. can't really pull it off. so why is it that we see but there's a vast difference in terms of. you know being able to get these big projects launched. well again and part of that part of it is what's wonderful is if you go if you can and i've been to canada and i've been to the oil sands reported from there and seen what's going on it's an amazingly. complicated yet clean and

environmentally sound operation and canadian can think of it this way canadians with it is oil in a much cleaner better way than spaces like saudi arabia or even a slave or niger wrangler or any i knew the other places we might get oil so if you're really worried about the state of the environment where it was being produced you would really differentially want to be produced in candidate. secondly i think that our regulatory regime here is being very complicated now with regards to using fossil fuels our environmental protection agency is moving regulations which are designed to reduce our consumption of carbon dioxide consumption of basically carbon fuels. dramatically and so they are complicating the permitting process and so forth some getting these projects done so that's part of what's stopping this but i know if canada does take their business elsewhere which it looks like that's what they're looking to do i mean what does that mean for us that we've been a little valve on on

a you know canada that's where we get most of our oil well that will have to bid for the rest of the rest of the world it. would have been a snatch more secure relationship between our two countries had we just been able to have that bilateral relationship but now it puts canadian oil into the more volatile net if you will global oil market in a way that would have the wise not have been and we miss out on the jobs that we would have gotten because of the the extra oil being refined and moved to this country as well and there are these are all the issues that can happen to have that kind of contributed to the controversy surrounding that pipeline the pros and cons around it some people saying this is what we need for our country other thing you know if we're going to be devastating and i are mentally do you think you're in the u.s. that issues like these are some politicized. i agree that they are way too politicized part of what's happened the united states is that we now contend that our issues

can be designed to be resolved through science and it basically what people because we no longer believe much in our politicians we don't believe much in churchman we don't believe in our business and basically we still believe in our scientists what happens in these issues is we do politicize the science in this particular case if i'm in community made all kinds of claims with regard to the harm the environmental harms that would result from using these oil sands that are simply not scientifically backed up but they had to make them in order to scare if you will certain parts of the population into opposing the pipeline a lot of politics as at play as we often see ronald thank you very much for coming on the show coming here to our studio that was ronald valley author of the book liberation theology. well the wait is nearly over with really wiki leaks a little blower julian assad is coming to our t.v. next week has a new talk show will feature interviews with powerful people from around the world

argued laura smith gives us a preview of what to expect. the first episode of the show will be broadcast on cheese day april seventeenth so that this chews day coming and we and julian together are really hoping this is going to be an explosive new show i can't tell you the name of the first guest you'll have to choose name yourselves to find that out on choose but i can tell you that they are all opinion formers some of them dissidents and some of them have never been interviewed before on english language television the first guest is particularly controversial and according to julian in the wake of the interview highly charismatic so you can find out what that's all about i met with him recently and i talked all about the show how he chose his guests why he decided to do it and of course he spent a lot of time sitting on the other side of the interview his desk and he told me a bit about his disenchantment really with the mainstream media and why he chose r.t.

to broadcast first this show that we're going to report her green card. in the race when we look. i mean it was. easier currents gently or not this week coming up the week in which the first show's going to be broadcast is really a week of anniversary for him both personal and professional it's going to be five hundred days since the investigation into these allegations of sexual assault by two swedish women began now we've seen that at the request for his extradition go through the courts here in the u.k. right up to the sea prien courts which that case finished at the beginning of february that's ten weeks ago now and we still don't have a verdict we are expecting it possibly to come next week but there's still no sept eighth that verdict to be handed down and still after five hundred days no charges have been laid against him it's also five hundred days since the wiki leaks bank

accounts were first frozen so that has made funding for wiki leaks very difficult and. and threatening that whistle blowing organization all together and really that's what makes this program so unique the fact that it was conceived of thought of while. living under house arrest here in britain awaiting this verdict on his extradition because two reasons first of all being under house arrest for so long it's nice to happen occasionally that i'm going to learn more about the world and the conversations we're having a quite interesting problem of the people going oh that's one reason the second reason is that someone who's given a lot of news before and it's been on the receiving end of very aggressive struggles i found that i wasn't giving much away at all pretty quickly because he just keeps you know for instance for instance so people don't take what

percentage of the context but i want to have a different sort of corporate people. why that approach has been difficult and some reason i think it's also excitement that worries me let me really be on science very interesting important thing i'm going to not normal going to be because they're not dealing with an interview with someone who was under house arrest. record for political problems the clintons and the press so you can see the full version of that interview on monday the sixteenth of april and that will be followed hot on the heels by the first episode of the program on tuesday the seventeenth of april we're still awaiting a verdict on tonight's andras extradition but we are quite glad that he's managed to make this program before whatever happens to him happens to him obviously his main fear has always been that he will be extradited from sweden to the u.s. . well it's our tails laura snap reporting. well a group of ron paul supporters say they are dedicated to making liberty sexy and

they plan to do this through a video game featuring the libertarian presidential candidate here's a peek. it's just to be you know. it's easy to design. well in the game ron paul to vs fifty states with a mission of collecting sound money and delegates and hope of winning the presidency and taking down the federal reserve it's called the road to revolution or dana william co-founder of ron paul swag dot com has the master by behind the game and he joined me earlier to tell us more about it and it's like oh you disagree just clear on what he said and you run across the city state school if you're somebody like you believe it's. the federal reserve and why did you decide to come up with a video game. trying to just. shoot exist

because we're why should they listen this is why it's so they ron paul video games need to exist. let us advise you to create is to create it i guess my question. i'm always looking for new ways to introduce you to younger generations and. to simply. be mine so he just kind of came to me and. really like to educate people just that i guess. you could you can just just so so that is your goal that so it is that we're trying to achieve with this video games a kind of spread the ideals of ron paul and what he stands for. you know that's something we really i just want to decrease you from going to succeed.

and so i hope so you are a poet do you identify with being a libertarian. i would say. choose let me ok and what's interesting about this whole ron paul revolution as it's called is the protagonist who is in this video game he's seventy six years old but your audience i'm assuming is young gamers so this kind of goes along with the whole phenomenon the high end older candidate winning over young voters can you talk to me a little bit about that. just made you see if you can we still beat me in a series. how. can you be you can you be you in your own video game. i don't think it's really the issue. that you speaks he speaks for you listen. i think anybody who sees this and

you see what he says to see. shut your mouth. all right yes i mean he's an older guy but he has a lot of fresh ideas as a lot of his supporters say and talk about those ideas and what you find so appealing about ron paul so much to the point that inspired you to create a video game about it. other well i'd say honestly i was kind of right there with him before i ever even heard about ron paul's ideals and principles i was always for limited government i didn't really want a key part of politics or even really agree with taxes but you know that sophia currencies or anything like that so when i heard our own calling i'm very excited that there is actually some to charity policies that i don't agree with. so as a personal hero of mine it just became sort of easy transition to represent only because if you're in a video game missiles ok and so how far how far along are you in this endeavor and

how can i get a hold of best ron paul revolution video. and see him about a quarter of the way through most of the me sanction oliveira and i just have to design singles and do some artwork you can see that in there. it will be free and available online i'll be releasing a link. pretty soon to the website we're going to be posted you'll also be able to play the game. for free. now well daniel williams co-founder of ron paul swag dot com. that is going to do it for the news this hour but from our the stories we covered you can head out of arts or you tube dot com slash arts in america at our web site that addresses are that com slash usa and you can also follow me on twitter at liz.