it's. it's friday you ready to rumble joining me for tonight's big picture rubble are brian darling director of government studies at the heritage foundation and a contributing columnist for the daily mail latoya peterson owner and editor of racialist and contributing editor to the root dot com and vince colonies senior online editor at the daily caller let's get started. the buffett rule this is what vice president biden had to say about the buffett mr. buffett rule says no one making more than a million dollars will pay a smaller share of their income taxes then middle class field was to the romney rule says that the very wealthy should keep every tax break a loophole they have here and get additional new tax cuts every year that are worth more than what the average middle class family makes in a year entire year for the romney rule now here's what f.d.r.

had to say about this back in one thousand nine hundred six by way of demonstrating this is not a new argue. but one earth billy carter you. benefit . i don't know what we're doing. her know what. i mean all of the earth below zero zero zero a book group. wrote you about a bit big poetry. a. poem and roosevelt only prevailed the top tax rate went up to ninety one percent and produced four decades of stability in our economy and a growing middle class so do republicans really think they can win on a platform of tax cuts for the one percent higher taxes for the working people i think it's pretty clear that republican support comprehensive tax reform close the loopholes get tax rates down but don't do it in

a way that just raises. more money for these guys and government that just want to spend spend spend president obama inherited ten point six trillion in debt that he got from from reagan bush and bush right now. what did he do he had added five trillion in vet and he can't blame that on anybody but himself signed an exclusion of somebody to iraq she led to a car that is heading toward a wall is sixty miles an hour and you slow it down to thirty miles an hour i think you're doing pretty good and you know hopefully and you start to get somebody else to start dismantling the wall that's a very imperfect metaphor let's play a mysterious here. well it's one of those things where it's like what kind of society do we want to build up like that's a huge question facing america right now and if we're not building a society that's more equitable we're going to see more and more instability we're seeing in greece we're seeing it all over the world in terms of the questions of where should our global economy go and it's clear that the current system isn't working so i'm open to trying anything else including the buffett rule this if that will help restabilize our economy and allow for you know young people not to have

a future doesn't advance doesn't doesn't the buffett rule is that a raise that much money but it's about this isn't the spirit of the times the sense of hey we're all in this together rather than i got mine and there may be something to that i'm not really sure of the propriety of that of doing something that's simply symbolic or gimmickry in it as as the president cited it was in his in his remarks i don't really see the point given that this is an economy that needs to be turned around but i think it's remember remember when you talk about fair share if you did the clip that you played after your referenced fair share the fact is the top one percent do pay for forty percent of all tax revenue in this country so it's a question of fair share it's not certainly certainly the wealthy is shouldering all the year in terms of income tax that's true right exactly and i know you're talking about so you want to factor in capital gains find do that but remember capital gains it's been taxed once as revenue to the corporations that are going to pull out that old and they are not this is not you know that's a hard way how i feel much more so slightly so i walk into

a seven eleven and i. buy i buy something yeah and then the employer takes that money and gives it is paid to that employee that's why i pay taxes on that money before i bought that candy bar so that money has been taxed once sure that employee pays income taxes on it that employee then goes to another store buys something that employer takes that money and pays that first now it's been paid tax three times i want to shake the i.r.s. and the head of the i.r.s. act what i said we don't want to point out as if this is an insane argument is totally the whole tax systems insane i mean your argument is that the head of the i.r.s. just said this past week that he thought the tax code needed to be simplified and for people to run around saying that the rich don't pay any taxes is simply absurd they're paying for everything they were after a poll of equalizing you know from each according to his means to each according to their needs and whatever it was you know you call march i was trying to i was there when i read about it. anywhere any of this week republican freshman allen west from florida had this to say to his constituents about his colleagues at town hall

meeting. in. the. communist party and what he was talking about was the progressive caucus in the house of representatives he came out later and clarified that and they've come forward this budget for all two point one trillion dollar investment in building our infrastructure ending the bush tax cuts for the top two percent keeping them in place for the for the lower rates and this is something that according to c.b.s. new york times poll sixty five percent of americans favor so do republicans really believe that most americans and most past presidents for that matter economists know they're definitely socialist i mean if you read the progressives budget and it would make karl marx very happy to read it from our said the definition of capitalism is to end all private property right in the i think that many

progressives would like to take those name i've won or probably. one one progressive president i'm going to. give you one example how about obamacare that is a federal takeover of our health care is nonsense that's if that's a federal subsidy to our for profit health insurance company latoya you're definitely and as you know someone who's worked as a freelancer one of the things that you have to look at is how do we stabilize our nation and we stabilize our country and if you're looking at it in terms of oh you're taking all this tax money all we want to do is redistribute wealth ok you can look at it that way but if you look at it in terms of a stable country is better for everyone in the same way that even like passing the capital each we are going to do that the government should not be able to do is a source that i would tell you guys. i trust no government worker means a billion right no for your free market is not going to believe there is not one billionaire is going to control the economy but remark it should happen i believe are things like food and water and shelter and energy that should not necessarily be the way in which we do things there is a time when competition works and helping at a time when competition really ends up screwing everyone else plus allen west

comments in context just this very week just recently president obama accused paul ryan of social darwinism so if this is not you know unique issue talon west president obama has done the same thing very recently. social darwinism is different from communism i mean i think it is name calling much like president obama called but republicans hostage takers that was in very nice language you did well. all right i'll give you that because you got through our protocol that the media was dominated by a dust up this week between democratic strategist hilary rosen and ann romney here's what rosen said first of all. you have this is mitt romney running around the country saying well you know my wife tells me that what women really care about are economic issues and when i listen to my wife that's what i'm hearing is like this actually never worked a day in her life she's she's never really dealt with the kinds of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing in terms of how do we feed our

kids how do we send them to school and here's an romney's response. my career choice was to be a mother and i think all of us need to know that we need to respect choices that women make. so if republicans are now wed to the idea that being a stay at home mom is work which is an idea that i've always indoors. i think most people do or stay home dad for that matter why have republicans for seventy years eighty years watched every attempt by democrats to quantify that in a way that stay at home moms can be fully eligible for social security for example when they retire or other government benefits. well i mean you're going to be stay at home moms to be eligible for government programs i mean the family if the ann romney considers this a career and this is a career choice why isn't she compensated for it would she shouldn't be in we're talking to my family should have gamely and if he should take care of itself it's

it's a family takes a lot of other things on right what one would already do have benefits i mean most of the benefits go to families go through children are seventy two means be means it is not fair so if somebody is getting benefits of any kind that does isn't considered part of their income for social security purposes unless you're an iranian the benefit you're getting is is part of your husband's mean i'd like to single women don't get benefits from the federal government they get massive amounts of time so you get not everybody dies so you do women who have to live off i mean like moms rising which is a nonpartisan admission you are upset about the statement about this very controversy and talk about how for most single mothers right if you're seven times more likely to be in poverty to be a stay at home parent right if you're single mother or even if you're married because that hit to the income is so hard for the average family to take and there are legislative policies that moms rising outlines on their site that can be taken to help ease this burden on people who have the choice they want to stay home and

raise their children and that is their life's work or if they want to work in the career path we should be making women choose so harshly and choose what for a lot of women economically way but statistically stay at home moms are more affluent actually because most stay at home moms are in the traditional family structure or at least i have a husband a spouse without a higher people making money so what if what we know is what we know is that families whole families that you don't have a mother and father are generally in a better economic place so there is an economic component to this that is you know to be that way i think it should be all family should be able to the able and be supported regardless of what happens to the primary earner regardless of if somebody is grandmother has to come in and take care of the kids what have you it's again it comes back to the society that we're trying to create but that because greece but the reason. if you're pointing in different directions it's like you're saying if i'm getting this right what you're saying is that that people should have economic stability so they can have families debility and it sounds to me like what you're saying vince is that people who have family stability therefore have economic stability right i mean that's i mean this isn't it that we're missing

mixing up because what you're pointing out is a classic as a classic examination of how liberals and conservatives view this discussion and conservatives far by far and view a strong family is a strong means for economic success but you can we all agree that when hilary rosen said was despicable i mean just it is wrong you never worked a day in her life no good to say the way she did as if it was a terrible thing that and romney took care of her five kids and was a stay at home mom you could see the anger dripping from her lips is she i didn't say that anger i had the sense that i got was that she was talking about a woman who is worth a quarter of a billion dollars who could afford the very best care the very best chefs the very best you know come out right this you know use it every night we're reality show you don't work to be in our lives these are. going to be she's used it the point was to exclude her from having the capability to say that she can argue for women she's saying you have nothing to do with women well she's

a woman i mean she did she should have a voice in this debate i don't disagree with that yes i mean that's i mean that's why it became such an outrage remember all of these fights over meaningless political commentators like rosen the fact is they be calm big issues because they become a proxy fight for the battle of both scoring political points and also for ideologies to actually come out on top of the thirty second was thoughts on this i think one of the more interesting things to look at as an election for our thoughts out is how much it retracts you kind of take away from these larger issues and speak more in terms of the record trying to shore up the base you know is about and i think our guns is evil but it's really kind of like who is going to put our country back on track in the way in which it needs to go and i hope that everybody remembers that yeah i absolutely agree. the rumble coming up after the break.

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welcome back to the big picture rumble i'm joined by brian darling director of government studies the heritage foundation a contributing columnist for the daily mail that's new isn't dealing with peterson owner and editor of racial issues and contributor to the root dot com and welcome which i thank you for joining us first time and senior editor at the daily caller vince colonies so stand around mitt romney gave a speech to the n.r.a. today backed up by a national uproar over the n.r.a. apparently entering wal-mart cowrote or played a large role wal-mart is the largest gun retailer america in this standard gun shoot first law that has radically i mean hundreds of percent in one state over a thousand percent increased justifiable homicides in fact we have a chart about those states that have passed stand your ground laws have seen significant increases in these so-called justifiable homicides and it's in the queue here behind us as well and so is the time that we stopped the likes of alec

and the n.r.a. and wal-mart for making our laws is not why we elect legislators who doesn't stand to reason that if you need to pass a law for to allow people to stand their ground using a gun that just on a side would rise i mean then it becomes part of the law as part of the legal system so i don't know if that statistic means anything other than that people actually are being able to defend themselves and raise you raise the issue of if you need to pass a law we've been around this country going around two hundred thirty years we haven't typically the old way that laws came about was there's an outcry from the people politicians heard and they did something right i don't recall and this is the whole point of my question i don't recall an outcry from the people i recall an outcry right but you know the history of this is that the n.r.a. wanted to make more money selling guns and wal-mart want to makes more money selling guns and they both want to be immunised lawsuit that is. not the place of somebody like alec in an array to contribute to the political discussion and they shouldn't be able to i mean are we going to the left progressive organizations

going in on conversations like this all the time i mean the whole point of having people who actually become experts in the subject matter when they dive into the law they actually read the laws by the way and they decide to advocate their does lobbyist i mean the whole idea is that intelligent people are part of this conversation i think that one of the things that's getting missed in the center ground law is how broadly can be interpreted from state to state and that's where i think a lot of the drama is coming in and there are a lot of people who are in favor of protecting second amendment laws that are not in favor of the way in which this law is being interpreted and there's a great article in time actually longer that talks about how something works and of blasting away at things that go bump in the night are actually undermining this law and the intent behind it and so you know i think that there's a lot of things that get wound up in the gun policy here and it's important to have i think smarter policy as opposed to you know always trying to say well this gun lobby you can always protect and ari is totally right versus you know we should have any kind of guns whenever you know guns are here guns or in the united states and look at the ways in which people are using them and the different circumstances

that happen if the people are responsible gun owners which you know in the most recent case zimmerman case you see that person was not. going to know if he was really we don't know if you don't know that i think there's probably some there's a lot of folks who don't know but they're on the face facts are pretty concerned i'm sorry sir we need to resume there are two lines that are beyond the gun training right the first thing i tell you is if you pull out and i've been trained personally if you pull out a gun you intend to use that experience point blank like that's not negotiable right in my view today or my thinking that's what i'm going to do with fairness and fairness what zimmerman's family has argued in the interviews that they've done the little information we have is that somehow trayvon was reaching for his gun while it was bolstered and he decided that point that he felt his life was threatened hold it with the intention well so the idea is look i'm not defending him or about you know what i did i said let me talk about this before the good fact is we need all the facts about it we need all those are we doing my toys. it is because we just have a few a few seconds left but my question is why the n.r.a.

and wal-mart making our laws i mean this is the there are always see it or not and i sense this you know this is this is a codification of being natural right of people to defend themselves that's all it is this right didn't come from wal-mart a thing becomes a man or a we it's a natural god given right this is a constant stream of the right sometimes what you have to now police officers are more restrained in the use of their weapons than you and me that's that's wrong in my mind anyhow we have got to go to read this thing up the drudge report has become the launching pad for stories in the mainstream media and then championed the meme of iraq obama as the angry black man here's of some examples lou is it is call this is just from last week that when he said he wanted to kick ass to our you know just what is asked of kerik if he had a son he'd look like trayvon george zimmerman your president is so much hate are we going to see more of this you know what used to be called race baiting i'm not sure if there's a more genteel term these days coming up it's seems to me like this is the

republican strategy has been to present well first of all to to say that matt drudge is somehow part of a big grand republican strategy seems silly to me i mean he post a picture it's a real picture he's actually been to the president over most of those publications is right and he is it's also good for some things from context right that's been a huge republican problem and there should be a lot more voters of color in particular who want to help him particularly nothing necessarily offensive about wanting to have constitutionally protected rights about limiting government the problem is again please think that you might fly this dog with all of these race baiting this effort the proof is in who comes your conventions what gets talked about and how you've struggled and in some cases completely given up on ever attracting voters of color and so instead to these you know to the very different and and i think that race baiting is unacceptable across the board and we've seen al sharpton and jesse jackson go down to florida on behalf . the left and instantly say that the trayvon martin case was because he was black no other facts and they were there the first week saying i don't think that is

right or not even that criticism is taking us right back to drudge in my mind but but. brought it up vince lawyer i need it right it's not something i get i thank you thank you i think you're ok. but i want to talk about something vitally important the future of america over the last year we've seen progressive movements organize and mobilize all over the nation on a scale not seen since the civil rights and anti-war movements of the one nine hundred sixty s. it began in the cold winter in madison wisconsin last year when hundreds of thousands of workers stood up to fight for their rights to organize then this movement caught fire from new york to oakland with the occupy wall street movement demanding a more equal economy we are living in transformational truly exciting times.

another time much like this was just after the great depression and during the great depression in one nine hundred thirty six when the forces of great wealth that it crashed our economy years earlier were given trying to seize power and president franklin roosevelt who came from a wealthy family and in formerly been a rather conventional governor of new york state rallied young people across the nation by saying there is a mysterious cycle in human events to some generations much is given of other generations much is expected this generation of americans has a rendezvous with destiny i believe that today's generation of americans to as a rendezvous with destiny and this is the year with one of the most important elections in our history on the horizon with democracy in the united states on the verge of disintegration this year will profoundly shape our destiny right now progressives have the momentum in america and we're closer than any time in the last thirty years to rolling back reaganomics undoing decades of economic and

political control by the top one percent and giving we the people a say in how the united states is run once again the only question left is can we stay together can we resist the temptations of in-fighting of purity tests of mistrust of each other unfortunately that still remains to be seen just like in all political movements throughout history below the surface there's growing baleen within the progressive movement in general assembly meetings of blog posts and emails you can hear and see with it's developing on the one hand you have those who are part of the relatively leaderless occupy movement people have mobilized both against whelp inequality abuses on wall street and it is any sort of hierarchical organization it on the left or the right it's not about left or right politics for them it's about direct action and fundamentally changing the entire system to bring about a more egalitarian nation and that's a noble cause and on the other hand you see larger and more established groups have groups like move on dot org an e.f.l.

cod even the democratic party to see what's going on in the streets in america and see a well of vitality in activism it can bring about real political change in america so can these two groups co-exist in my opinion absolutely. for years jim carpenter the guy who helped start progressive democrats of america has pursued both an outside and an inside approach to progressive change and that includes on the street activism picketing and occupying what he calls an outside strategy combined with people who walk into the halls of congress lobbying phone banking and fund raising and even getting progressives to run for political office what he calls an inside strategy the most successful movements in history have combined both inside and outside strategies no one in power no one on the inside is going to stand up and be a leader for a cause unless people on the outside are pushing them to do it here's the big secret about politics politicians are not leaders they're followers they wait for

the parade to form outside and then they jump in front of it with a flag and a this is my parade that's how it's always worked as van jones pointed out here last night l.b.j. wasn't supposed to be the civil rights president he was pushed into the role by pressure on the outside from the grassroots civil rights movement with the civil rights movement and others from abolition to suffrage the end of the vietnam war taught us is that there's a natural evolution to movement strategies first occupiers star occupy and lunch counters engaging in civil disobedience and getting in the streets then like minded more established organizations see what's going on and organize marches and rallies and bring the issue to the forefront of the media putting pressure on lawmakers and then sure enough legislation is introduced and ultimately passed. victory is only achieved because both inside and outside strategies are operating simultaneously and progressive victories for america will be achieved in the exact same way as

leaderless outside groups started this movement by occupying by getting pepper sprayed in the streets and beaten by the police and then the more established groups joined in to organize larger rallies to inject more resources and funding into the movement and to carry the message forward and already politicians are listening and introducing legislation based on what they're hearing in the streets that is where we stand today one election away from achieving either main maintaining our mom or momentum excuse me or seen it all take a giant step backwards keep that in mind as we move forward if you want to be the person of the streets go to the street accountable and facing off against the institutions of power and good on you this movement needs you and if you want to be the person working on the insides be with elected officials running for office fundraising and good on you to true progressive change in america needs all of us both on the outside and the inside those without leaders and those who work in more

established venues i'll need to win so let's go back to work this year to create an america that once again works for all of us. as the big picture for tonight more information on the stories we've covered visit our website that's our been dot com free speech dot org and our team dot com also check out to you tube channels or a link so tom hartman dot com also tom hartman dot com you can check out all the different ways you can send us your feedback and we have a free i pad and i phone app. blogs chat room one consistent pre-placed and don't forget democracy begins with you inside strategy outside strategy running for office marching in the streets right in the bogs call the new charts radio writing op eds whatever it may be get out there and get active your it cx.

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