it's friday are you ready to rumble on the panel for tonight's big picture ronnell our brian darling director of government studies at the heritage foundation and contributing columnist to the british daily mail was there and democratic strategist partner with bullfight strategies and syndicated columnist and adam bradley editor in chief of net write daily and welcome gentlemen put glad to have you all with us. there is a pile of secret money coming in to crowell rove's checking account hundred twenty three million bucks so far and all of this sixty two percent and by the way that's more money than john mccain spent in the entire election and and just and this is so far out and twenty three million dollars sixty two percent of that money seventy six million dollars comes from fewer than one hundred people twenty million dollars

of it comes from two people and we have no idea who they are my bet is think about this for nineteen seventies. the right well you didn't have the iranian revolution or a revolution happened in seventy nine thousand nine hundred eighty s. reagan started selling the iranians weapons so the rains love republican reagan then clinton comes along and says no we can't do that but dick cheney in ninety eight ninety nine is illegally selling iran stuff that could be made nukes through halliburton so they kind of like him and then bush comes in and he takes out their number one enemy saddam hussein they thought this million people died in this war so i think our committee wants to have a republican president thirty years republicans help him out of iran and then he's the guy that is giving our reserves what he wants to fund a party that's been advocating for tough sanctions against iran and maybe war again so he's right because he's already said i don't want to be watching your party here

your party is more about let's have more of them we'll talk sic shouldn't i mean for a party that complaining about gas prices you think they might want to looks about iran for a little bit yeah well good the fact of the matter is last month barack obama raised about thirty six million dollars for his campaign he's actually raised more money than all of the republicans combined but he told just were reported the old i dames occupations that employers are reporters though the democrats are going to have any super pacs in this election there's certainly are i don't think they're any more right than the conservative ones and i also don't think that we should be going after the c three c four work that we've got out of the i.r.s. i think the real problem here is that says you citizens united has created an environment where it is made these things far more blurred and i wouldn't have so much of a problem with the money coming into the system or out of this is that if we knew who the money was coming from this this just sounds like typical you know election that's scapegoating pointing the finger oh this phantom money is coming into play

and this is pointed out where it could be prevented a shot which is quite unlikely. why is the legal it's illegal for foreigners. nationals to contribute to a campaign you know it is not illegal for them to give to a c. for going to zation absolutely not and if they are they want to shoot anybody it's not remember a c three organization spending money that seems political technically is not political they can complain about barack obama or mitt romney as much as they want as long as they don't say it started as long as they don't say you know vote for a vote against their within the white so you're there's no evidence that democrats aren't taking foreign money we're talking about this is just conjecture and just demonizing republican well i think that the democrats are taking money from history that's that's. a. i think we're also forgetting to that many small dollar donations also fly under the radar and as those are pooled together that equals a large amount of the cash as well and i mean. let's remember let's remember that

the way that the reporting actually works you don't get to write like five million twenty five dollars checks to someplace to get under the radar the second you pass that ninety nine dollars threshold is the minute that your name gets reported yes we're not talking about people buying influence with a twenty five dollars contribution yeah i'm i'm i'm just standing by my. kid karl rove proved me i'm wrong. ok today is the second anniversary of the b.p. oil spill today and some of the worst effects of it are now being seen in the gulf islands shrimp fish was sores coral is crabs dying coral everything on the corporate side though is back to normal in fact there's more drilling than ever before as the president was bragging about a couple of weeks ago on the other hand down in brazil chevron had an oil spill that was just. compared to the b.p. oil spill it only lasted a couple days it was only a few million gallons and maybe not even that brazil arrested the rest a day and guided and they pulled the passports of a whole bunch of chevron executives including the american president of chevron

brazil was still stuck down there that is past work now three weeks later shouldn't shouldn't we be and they banned them. really shouldn't we be taking a lesson from brazil oh no not at all i would think that would be the worst message to send to people that don't ever want don't ever put criminal executives in jail well the greatest we have right there right exactly it was not there engaging in the activity of the actual drilling executive didn't cause the still we should have put the other next to roughnecks or there's a word for guys i'm actually going to hold c.e.o.'s accountable even though their name is on the dotted line. maybe nobody is talking about not holding the c.e.o. accountable here we're talking about is jailing a c.e.o. for something that occurred out in the field beyond what they were doing at that moment i don't think. i'll timidly they should be responsible for it i mean it's only a certain point and this is the point about b.p. and the problems that we're now seeing from the spill and

a certain point paying for the cleanup is just not enough you could do nearly irreversible damage and join reason if it's here's the here's the revenue men died here's here's a sponsor this was a murder is a tragedy it's not a you can't say it's a murder it's a tragedy it's something that was awful that happened at the deformed fish yet i'm going to show you i hate alligator what he is explaining it all as you can who inflicted as you know you know unintended bad side if they want to be but at the end today this is this is much like the fines we put on corporations when they've broken the law we think that we're going to impact their behavior by charging them look at google i mean google was charged twenty five thousand dollars in a five because they wouldn't give information to federal regulators should be b.p. has already had to set up a twenty billion dollars but about to that's that's quite a bit i'm going to quite a bit of money to us and to our government but what's not in this game of things it's not much money at work or. profit from them you know how much money they've paid out to individuals six billion how much money they've spent trying to deny

people payouts that have been affected by this everything that you read about it now they're trying to remedy the problem they actually. overpayments they wouldn't individual they were going to be trying to remedy the significance is it isn't a simple solution to this for us to do what what argentina is talking about doing right now what cuba and cuba did what venezuela did what norway did nationalize our oil arable say you know you can keep you can drill but it's our oil you know like sarah palin doesn't last can we take that were private property right to sell it to you very fairly expensive to just because b.p. has just gotten off oil the mineral rights right and that's private property i mean that is how is that private property does that is that there's an oil pool that some ten miles long underneath you know market is a large much of the extraction of oil is done on land in the united states so you're taking oil from the cool that happens to be energy of my house from your rig you're going from so you're saying that it's right over the public property and the

government owns it i am saying i think the mineral rights out of the commons that everybody got it and was there you won't have efficient if it's traction and people can't make money doing it right now we're going to stay on the island so are the rules to people i'm just saying we should we should own i don't trust the government in this case if they've nationalized it to adequately inefficiently be able to hand out these rights for the year old try oil executives much more than i trust the government is not working out really well for the norwegians i mean they've got one of the highest earners life in the world right now we have pretty much a nationalized system in the sense that the president shut down drilling in the gulf after this bill for a few months yet and it never now it's back no it's not back if there's any more drilling going on now than there was beefier not extracting the same amount of oil from the gulf of mexico as they did before the spill did it ever occur to anybody that one of the reasons that they were maybe taking more oil out of the gulf of mexico is because they were doing it safely and we did what is going to do with it also they have actually shut down wells as

a pretext to shut down the whole gulf and for the body of the story if you are going to ration. is yielding more oil than in the last eight. years ago when. the obama administration has given more leases for new rigs than the previous administration this restriction has bent over backwards to appease people that don't want alternative energy sources in israel and the same time the same time in the case of experienced alternatives well he's speaking of those people who are who are p.d.p. is the c.e.o.'s of the big oil companies you know in america opposed reagan america pays to be greedy and screw your workers apparently the a.f.l.-cio just came out with a new executive showing that the c.e.o.'s of the fortune five hundred companies average twelve million dollars a year and that's a million dollars a month that's a quarter million dollars a week but just. and that that's an on top of a good stock options and golden parachutes and well it was a rex tillerson a really really raymond i think of the having the outgoing c.e.o.

of exxon mobil took a four hundred million dollar retirement package that's that's what he got for his last week's work but in any case when reagan came into office the average c.e.o. is making between thirty and forty two times what the average worker does now it's three hundred eighty four times or higher. these these banks toure's and these c.e.o.'s are making more than brain surgeons or rocket scientists that this is happening and how destructive to two capitalism is it's not destructive at all what if these companies are doing a poor job of the c.e.o.'s are doing a poor job in the shareholders should do something about it if they're if their shareholders see that their c.e.o.'s have as much of an orchestra. no idea citicorp at a shareholders meeting but that's but that right there is as brian was just saying the shareholder stood up in that case and they said no this is absurd this guy is drives are happening to the ground and we're going to stop that and you know the executive board did in response to that they told the shareholders to pick their head someplace every day they just said forget it we're going to receive you paying

these that is what would pay them even though the shareholders voted to take away the executive compensation plan a company will be rewarded in the marketplace probably negatively. just five today i stock is just fine it didn't effect well we have a great capitalist system and we can all be jealous of the capitalist system we do we have as well you know that is socialist for corporate america and that's it that's what. capitalism is bad for you supported you want clearly capitalism you want all these energy contracts to be handed out cylinder and all these compromises are not going to make money because their free will it's nobody wants you know i love the idea the fact that our government helped invent the hell that's crony capitalism that our government helped invent velcro that our government helped invent the transistor that our government helped invent the vacuum tube for that matter there's going to be a lot of things you can out of a bar in the end i really did our job right in the yes slack very yeah the original mac operating system came out of the star operating system out as their eyes which

came out of it do you have an impression not able to invent things because you can't make money off it and you think the bill get to the bill gates that was he a government employee when he invented all these wonderful things that we use in a daily basis actually the government was one of the major clients for the original three point one operating system i mean these are simply facts and information. that intelligence. i think the problem is i think the problem you get into is that you can show a conservative government operating well. as a constant force profile republican losing money every year until the put it because i look at the television i think you can speak quite a bit let me get a few words out and tell the republicans changed the law in congress that made it so that the post office had to have enough money set aside let me finish for retirement and tell people that are not born until two thousand and twenty seven are already of retirement age or retirement funds for their employees yet you know what's new at this i know you know america is terrible i know you're a corporation that has retirement this has to find

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about the big picture on a lot of panels and i brian darling director of government studies and heritage foundation and contributing columnist with the daily mail call frisch democratic strategist partner with bullfight strategies and a syndicated columnist and adam excuse me my apologies and adam bitly editor in chief of net right now let's get back to a student loan debt is over a trillion dollars no country in the world has ever seen anything like this the united states has never seen anything like this it has now exceeded credit card debt in the u.s. it is mind boggling and this is what representative virginia foxx republican from

north carolina had to say about this. i have very little tolerance for people who tell me that they graduate with two hundred dollars. even eighty. because no reason. so she has no tolerance for people who graduate debt and then we discover that just last year she got fifty thousand bucks from the for profit colleges there and you know so today president obama urged congress not to let interest rates and federal student loans go up they're going to automatically go up if congress doesn't act congress could act would cost anybody anything you're not going to raise taxes on mitt romney but the republicans don't want to give him this six billion dollars it cost six billion dollars yes it's going to cost the taxpayer if interest rates are allowed to go back where they were before they were put artificially low at three point four percent that's what it's going to cost the taxpayer no no it's either way around it's going to there will be six point four billion dollars less revenue coming in if the interest rates don't go up if you're

you government forces down the interest rates like the president would like you know they're already done you're going to rise right we're going to rise and he'd like to keep this is going to be which tax cuts it wasn't as god no no it's expired if they had been this had started fish really low this was a temporary program that was put in place and hot how adam can you call a three and a half percent interest rate when banks can borrow from the fed right now at point one percent how can you call three and a half percent artificially low well that is artificially low but it's actually to get a mortgage for three and a half percent the government is mandating at that rate remain low and as obama's argument right now he would like to continue that rate to remain want to let me tell you those who want it allows this easy access to this money that wouldn't be going out otherwise so we shouldn't have people don't as we have a bubble developing right now this is going to be a problem it's a huge problem and i'm glad that you brought up the double that's because about a for profit college district now is it a demonized let's drop it colleges so more people can't get there an order of

magnitude more likely to have their students and in the room now first of all we need to less rather educate use their so nobody will you know if a bit less educated a lot less i don't want to be on but i want to be able to go to for profit colleges not for. degree so to speak but they go for certificates and whatnot and you know what you get it for profit college so you go to phoenix and you want to get like a elektra certificate of some kind you might pay fifteen thousand dollars over two years for that there where you can get it for eight hundred fifty dollars a quarter at a at a at a at a community college but the worst part about it is is that that certificate may not be recognized in any other jurisdiction than the one you live in at that given moment and they don't tell you the stakeholders are being discriminated against because they've already left you want to discriminate and say you can't get loans if you go to a for profit college but nobody would know you have i thought better than ever before but now you're saying you want to hear the other say ninety percent of the money that for profit colleges the the large ones that everybody's heard of

phoenix's and dry kaplan it's ninety percent of the money that they have comes from the federal government and in tell the students if they're going to say here this is important to call if you know how to get away all that's not true is that it was just not in the us i was here as is a bigger issue than them what we're debating at the moment right now the unemployment rate for eighteen to twenty four year olds is near fifty percent these people are getting this easy credit they're getting all this loans and they're walking out of college with a huge amount of debt on their shoulders and this is all being encouraged by the government this needs to be cut off and it would be more expensive if they got that at a for profit college and they would be less likely to be able to what they're going to see why don't we just do it like every other country virtually into the basket more than eighty five percent of all the countries in the developing world in the o.e.c.d. of thirty four he nations and provide free college education like we used to do in the us because i provide free college education when you can just pay corporations to do it for you like they do in the for profit corporations. it's about giving

government money to the corporations is what it's about free everything here are everything for free if all you know until ronald reagan came on university california and and you know a lot of people went to college there lincoln created langrigg. college system as a as free colleges michigan state university used to be free but look at all these other ways regulated would never be able to win the republican nomination but you know what i'm ok quickfire last question today is the day for marijuana this for twenty is the first one in history or a majority of americans support he criminalizing marijuana and two. let's see here two states right colorado california poised to pass referendums in november to legalize tax and regulate manufacture and sale of marijuana products so the question how many years until our nation starts treating pot the way that we treat alcohol at the very least either as a as a medication or as a recreational drug how long is going to say probably the same amount of time too

when they legalize crystal meth and heroin and other drugs that are very harmful for you you're quite skeptical that this is going to get going out even though a majority of americans i can't picture it happening any time soon because it's a great way for conservatives to play if you're probably thinks it's interesting and i wish this would end tonight but i think it'll be he's at least twenty years if not longer now find this interesting adam adam is probably the youngest guy here i think i'm hearing from the generation coming up that you know what's the big deal here and they haven't felt a desire to go to so down and they basically have legalized marijuana right now and they don't want to decriminalize it well there are a lot of people who make money off marijuana being illegal sure but there are a lot of people that are making money off medical marijuana in california and. i don't know i mean it seems like it was the fact of the illegal intel going to jot down their medical marijuana initiative they said we can't have this in our state we can't change the landscape in nevada you know where they have not stopped

gambling drinking all night with prostitution illegal brother just don't touch that one go touch perry want to legalize it and decriminalize the problem of the war on drugs here is that you have basically this this criminal cult. sure that we point and say that's why we don't want to legalize drugs that culture exists simply because it's an illegal activity we learned that you could learn that in the thirty's from prohibition brian darling crawl through a shattered by lee thank you all for being with us tonight you know much appreciate . it george zimmerman is out on bail today and one of the conditions of his bail is that he's not allowed to have a gun on him and i know what all the gun nuts are going to say something like how cimarron going to protect himself or how consumer who's innocent before proven

guilty have his god given right to a handgun taken away you might as well known or him before so you know is this all right but my question is where does this mentality come from why do people think they need to be armed at all times to defend themselves why do they think that rugged american individual isn't depends on having a revolver in your belt no question about it there are more guns here than anywhere else in the world more than two hundred million guns. so what's up with our nation's firearm fascination. i think this might have something to do with it johnny not john wayne personally but a culture around him beginning with novels in the one nine hundred century and then wildly popular t.v. shows throughout the twentieth century americans grew fascinated with westerns they were the perfect escape from the dreary urban factories that most americans work in and can find a regimented day to day schedules that most americans followed in westerns we saw

the individuals riding free on horseback through the west and most importantly our new six shooter got to fighting with bad guys in black black hats it's a romantic ideal that most americans of my generation in my dad's generation were hooked up and i'd argue it's subconsciously one of the reasons why the older generations of america place enormous importance on their guns to them what was depicted in westerns was american exceptionalism at its best only problem the real west was nothing like the west that americans watched on their televisions it was all a myth first while shootouts totally the stuff of fiction in places like dodge city did wooden tombstone fewer than five people were killed in the most violent year that any of those cities add in an entire half century or bank robberies they were virtually nonexistent between eight hundred sixty and one thousand nine hundred the height of the wild west forty year period there were only ten actual bank robberies

nationwide period that was it and as for the idea what idealized life the idyllic life of the cowboy that's not true either just think about the toll the years the horse track riding took on cowboys the chafing hemorrhoids the testicular cancer and on not make him out up that's what happens to people who live on horseback and i mention guns are very expensive and not nearly as readily available as t.v. depicts. that guns were pretty premium items it was also the scorching heat the loneliness and the occasional for way into brothels but is this really the sort of life that americans should have brace and try try to bring to. the problem is that fiction is very powerful stuff and the myth of the wild west stuck and so too did our nation's fascination with the cowboy lifestyle and with guns even today

i mean george zimmerman may have even had that cowboy street believing that he was the lone ranger armed and ready to defend his talent from the enemy grifters but here's the thing about westerns no one watches them anymore it's been a while and a few would have been come out recently had been a little more realistic showing how kind of gritty and awful it was back in the late nineteenth century. was the my generation of my dad's generation were hooked on westerns and stockpiled most of the two hundred million guns that are floating around now but my kids and my nephews and most younger people that i talk to about this is sure the same sort of gun bassam nation that i grew up with in my peers from grow up with just the you know it's very similar to the racist influence of the generation of fought against the civil rights act and disappearing right as those people are getting older and dying off the generational gun obsession is disappearing. and a new generation of americans

a generation of americans and not brain will buy this false mythology of a wild wild west where the noble college boy has his gun and they say everything right it's going to make this nation as that mythology dies out this new generation comes in and make this nation a much safer place to live. that's it for the big picture tonight for more information on the stuff stories we've covered visit our website the tom hartman dot com free speech dot org and. you also check out our to youtube channel is there a link to thom hartmann dot com also thom hartmann dot com check out all the different ways you can send us your feedback and don't forget the democracy begins with you when you show up when you participate get out there get active tags your it seems.

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