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a refereeing between two gas with very different ideologies based on just second show airs in a moment here on our t.v. and comes in the wake of the backlash from the whistleblowers and former media flag wavers. now as promised it's doing this on your in our city. i'm julian assignment. editor of wiki leaks expose the world secrets these documents long the united states government been attacked by the powerful united states strongly condemn they would actually like illegally shoot for five hundred days now being detained without charge but that hasn't stopped us

. today we're on a quest for revolutionary ideas that can change the world tomorrow or today i am joined by an intellectual superstar that's living in philosophy so i've always if you're a former anti communist dissident now so described communist together we call david horowitz a former left wing radical and black panther ally and now a fiery bright wein zionist i want to know what they think about the future of europe and the united states the conversation becomes heated you get has to be physically restrained we shout rant and talk calmly about not to and palestinians black panthers and israelis about a farmer romney and start. david you describe yourself as a conservative and describe yourself as a communist but nonetheless i was of you have had

a teacher of stalin. going from a very grave don't mess with me i know you. and many many shots. yeah right you can't talk to an international shot. all right go ahead david can you tell me what you mean by conservative and why you have a picture of. well look at the picture stallin it was on my up as well with his death and i'm a conservative because the leftists utopians have no idea what human nature is. and therefore when they get the power they're faced with a big problem which is that people don't go along with their program and so they kill them and put them in gulags and. the problem with the

utopian idea is the idea for a fenced right valley precisely to remind me thank you maybe it's something marginal liberal even agree besides the body mind me of beer and he thinks bane terrified of but i think. you know i don't know what to make of what's normal you're saying when he says that salad is there to remind him of the dangers of totalitarian it. and the totalitarian strain in the left or the dangers of. that yeah utopian ideas can lead to because he supports all of totalitarian movements in the world and i can see. your supporter of. the closest thing we have to natalie is that which was you know you talking an idea in the middle east you know you support the palestinians i don't see anything to

distinguish the palestinians who want to kill the jews from the net season did you ever visit the west bank. it's can you say sort of he didn't. mean to say think he said i don't know that everything i do a friend is the same and i can tell you what i. am not saying i must face because i find it taste place they say yes or what not since we're going to speak to some now doing the palestinians this is tasteless but sorry palestinians are out of there screwed up yes they're screwed by hamas no you know good mopey you know he's not going to saudi arabia i guess that's the way we go wait he's right you know yeah i guess you're not a fan and so on is that i need only see open back to space for hamas to influence their second home going to blame the jews for my great oh my god you see this is what i got up like oh i oh my god but i've never had

a i graze it's all through you like a no no no no i want to know how seriously just money look at the situation of we mean now you are quoting billy's new sounder smarter than i'm going to put responsible for this united states there against any punishment against international left the democratic party united states that went to war for saddam and against george bush when he went into iraq we should have settled their hands we should not have you know we should have i could fight them to think that this dave this is a program which i should have stuck into syria and that we should have stuck into iran but bush came under such good hand. from the from the democrat there's never been such as the dishes move but quite major american ports they all supported the war not all of them but the leadership supported the war they voted and they were

joran to senate for the war and then they turned against it and they lied saying that bush lied bush couldn't have lied to. about the intelligence because kerry and that whack a feller and feinstein all the democrats sat on intelligence committees they had better intelligence than julian in in the work that we do and work that wiki leaks does we are. pushing forward the boundaries of a certain type of liberty that is we say protected by the first amendment but is the liberty to to reveal the truth about the world to protect the story to record me ference and so on but i saw this incredible poster that the us army produced which is a poster of jefferson. say it was a big statue of jefferson saying the cost of liberty is a turtle beach once that is the price of liberty and it had giant interception systems people with guns and the coast guard and people looking out over the sea

with spike losses they had interpreted jefferson's statement which was that to start a strong state we must be eternally vigilant into we must have a strong state an aggressive state a surveillance state in order we haven't yet i think it's regrettable that the state is so big that then our defense has to be so big i channel lee we're going to blow but it's a reality and you know what i'd like to go back to your thing about liberty and equality. of course if people are unequipped if people had an equal counts an equal intelligence. then the only way to make them equal is to take away liberty that's the only way you can do it there's no other way so of course there's an inherent conflict between the liberty listening to

quite look an idea the skit in congress what you think i am not for. freedom everything should be made public but i think. i'm not doing these all i'm saying when the way. the great power structure a certain level of sheep pocket is east and he then selectively when simply. of course we are all based called to cost the state power in the sense of saudi we have two percent of the st louis bet you don't know about and i agree we have to play this game i know the stupid thing but when obviously this past east coast thinks like we can least can play a very post even though i don't see any they lose that also lost imo if i disagree if the revolution got any revenue or if we had

a new revolutionary government yeah and you revolutionary government and wiki leaks managed to get hold of her and it was going to open up and yeah and we were going to publish it i mean i'm sure we waste wasn't what i would i would i be it would be going to well me i cannot going to be spent joke yet you know but it's still difficult for me to answer this question now when i will be part of this evolution of the government i do send you my answer to your poor luck selling say. ok i think i might possibly. years well it's going to be ordered it can't be. part of that in some sense a video on the front front of guantanamo bay the slogan is one of bound to depend freedom you know in iraq there is a prison camp camp between. these to me seem to be of uses of the word freedom and i want to know from you do you really think

this tremendous state that is growing up in the united states is that entirely necessary to combat the rival risk competition the united states has from china from europe for or is this now a self-feeding system you know this isn't because people are the problem people are the problem it greedy they lie to see people they manipulate. you know they're egocentric we understand that and people in government i just the same dangerous people with more power so that's why we have the checks and balances and i'm i'm all for you know more scrutiny and this and that however. we live in a context the united states and israel are under attack from the international left which is very powerful but moralist pick taters in south america that suddenly seems to get along with. from the islam of fascists. and we live in

an age when they have nuclear weapons and chemical and biological i think there's going to be and i can cast a fee that will dwarf everything that happened in the twentieth century in the twenty first because of this thank you thank you see the creation of an enormous secretive bureaucracy doing each other favors in colvin are very taking door contracts like that but don't you see that that perhaps can be similar to what occurred in the soviet union and we need a strong thirty million the if we eliminate competition but the fact that it look you got a leftist in the white house a guy was brought up and trained by communists who hold political career was in the communist left you have competition you know you you think you can have what you think of this monolith and you know the secret that controls everything

you have if you prefer to think of it as many muffins and they're all of the turkish throats and that's what keeps us somewhat safe. well jay but if you you know first let me state something we don't any american has done some of it's countries like we're like russia. shut down the opposition i know asked again and i know what you mean and i was using this new guy whom when he made was bush said you remember i looked into concise and i knew i can trust that guy but he's just that would know what i'm saying is that look look stupid things that bush didn't say it and i thought it i thought it was ok yes ok let me go so listen i'm unfortunately you know you listen very much and you hear me calling you nice you know that communists like to blow. the through our position with them democracy you must know these companies like to call everyone

who opposes them such as if you did a ma this democrat i think oh fuck this counter-revolution what i'm afraid is that you used to work common used in the slightly seamy lot of weight who ever is a little bit of critical or the american conservative establishment he's a come in he's been of call you by name calling and he's their only not returning you never referred to the rock obama yet was involved meaning didn't want to send home to go and use up the lines here and you have no idea of a brocklebank his background who he actually is if you say that because this is not just about my own really i don't care about saying you guys challenge background was really just point who would point out some of them as we both know let me go briefly on but don't you think that nonetheless i think and desist and that is if you're doing it and doing something if not this is a good thing but don't you think that nonetheless for me the great failure of bush

presidency was that we feast known i wouldn't use the word of i guess if sometimes you needed none intelligent probably thinks that he he that he's out of he's the cape was that the united states effectively. come. close to losing the position of unified is the power under bush you're united space lost effectively control over latin america and so on and so on and i think and this is not i don't say some lefties gee who finally got united states but i think we have anything to even think we're going to do a very dangerous move. whether all of these dreams diplomatic i mean is somehow the game controller for me over and again i'm not saying these should be any you know what i mean of the stranger is this a dangerous weapon i agree if i suppose you'll name your kind not as ruler bad

listen let's face it and for many lefties to be let us be off your centrism or whatever european welfare state mark then if you're going to meet me in the east european lab mark then i think even united states name wasn't beast may be the unique period in human he story after world war two the welfare state better so many people live in such safety. three dogs and so on don't make too much fun of fuel it was a great thing to spot as he always was a disastrous spirit europe europe is a cultural scene part it's been significant that's what happened that's what your welfare state it just took us out of the pot i have had personally i have personal experience with the socialist green paradise of sweden and i can tell you it is nothing like you have a timing question for instance of the official stealing system because something

has broken down the sweetness we took no morals david striving towards the target of striving towards a better position even if even if the position is liberty it is more liberty but is a striving a direction that he. or wish to have because they can measure and temporary events by the direction of their hopes and ideals have we now abandoned back true religion because religion is their writing in the gap the conceit to seize utopian vision that people can't live with a sense most people can't live with a sense that their lives are meaningless that they just you know born and die and are forgotten. so if you're a religious person then there's a divinity who's going to make sorted out in the afterlife that redemption in the next life and if you're not religious you want a redemption in this life that's what the left is about it is

a religious movement and it's not an accident that all these is these utopianism whether it's communism or fascism or dances or did better. or what liberalism. it was for you we thought yeah people have to want to make things better because you may take a lot of impatience and make a modest change so you know i'm trying to think of one that would fit what you want to do when you want to do what you do is it is a radical means they can have very destructive consequences that are both menace when you have to get you know when you can't keep that in quotes always but when you put it down to keep that in court of course you don't say oh let's try to be friendly be that's not the guy dad grief modestly you have momentum i know that's the be i can ask you i hope we're here i hope we agree on this and all of that you thought the estop for me might cause he's nice i'm ok money i see is be all of do

you got approaching potential catastrophe and all kinds saying we should fully consciously confront this catastrophe no easy you copy on think companies only need that are your books right let me try to tie up these this notice you are just going to have a secretary colleague quit the end maybe that is your man his community he's a cog in the stereo and i was going to say i think war is the natural war is the natural condition of mankind it's always been war it's right somebody from the beginning ok and many of the peace occurs only when there's a concert of powers or a single power that can intimidate would be aggressors now i ask you who would you like that power to be other than the united states. i don't know but you know i think it's no longer even the candidates but me and

united states get well that's right and that's why we're facing such a catastrophe but you're contributing it by encouraging leftists isn't the way to keep the state accountable it's kind of a free market in states i mean different political options different political games and then people who don't like the conditions in one state can move to another state they can move their business and they can move their assets they can do that only united states is not equipped to do as as we showed in iraq we can't we can't even occupy a country we can we can barely conduct a four day war that was a six week run and we america is a country where people are so there's so much opportunity people are so busy having fun. i don't want to go to work americans don't want to go to work because i think america has to be lied into war no actually it was tony blair that united states is crippled. in part because its commander in chief

is a leftist kid i expect for he said he didn't hear yes he can that it's a speech of a set of correction and so i want to go but if i'm sorry to inform you it is because of people like obama who concepcion that your days into obama's administration he or theorize these drone strikes in pakistan who do you think about really is what when he came into office and actually when he was running he knew that his weak flank was the military so he picked pakistan. he has killed more civilians and the left much and get away with it because they're left because the left is of religious forces and it's nothing to do with principle the left doesn't care about. asians being you know killed by drones you know just because what is he what does he want to do to the streets protesting what obama's schooling and character stand in afghanistan you know beyond you know

i don't have any respect for leftist anymore because i don't think their principles you see any difference we have both because we want to somebody who are critical to watch i mean as a social your kid because they want to vomit because you think he's a communist leftist i'm critical to work obama because quite the contrary i think that he's not he could go to the left and he's not he pretends to be a lefty so he's not that's the printer know what you're talking about slug right i mean you're going to not listen no attack gallery i mean what obama is doing but then just because they're a leftist he's out of your old left let's be friends party colleagues not my friend i don't buy this democratic left of you know the good guys through democracy blah blah blah all i'm saying is that the problem beats gave ice to come in the sim the street here we just. i'm

a fake what happens although i don't find this i know it is a problem yet the problems are going to be here for ever you know but you know that our problems and problems that's a good honest think you ok let's let's pose homeless gentlemen for one that we say things we have a lot of ground meat we have a lot of ground point we have a lot of ground zero we have to fanatics and. then i thought this is a place. that's ok. we have a lot of ground to cover and i do want to go over ok so. david you were in the black panthers and you stayed in the black panthers post well he was never a member i raise money for you help them you are involved in activities and you supported them yes. you have made those bankers who can't people that know you for you to hit them. and you board in a bookkeeper from then ramparts magazine. which you were editing.

but even later and i just want to draw your attention to a letter that was sent to you. in my mind you were the person responsible for baby steps sending her into order to penzance books at this particular time was tantamount to addressing her in a klu klux klan white sheet and sending her up to talk to you this isn't this isn't that i mean that's just slanderous letter by a bitter guy. you know who actually was appalled at the panthers before i was never seen anything. but left will defend the cause and will sacrifice and he ended it will in this case it was me. to david do you think this this tragedy i mean you're an old you know you know murder i mean a murder was around you this is. something of great personally importance to him in

a must have affected your your outlook on the world but i do think that you and this opened your eyes to the reality or rather it colored your perception i was very aware of so many was killed in your body was discovered in february one thousand seventy five. i mean i didn't do anything politically after that for the next. out nine years. i voted for reagan in one thousand nine hundred eighty four and that's when i were judged as a conservative of course i came under tremendous attack from the left but i didn't said anything. i was going to say and said anything negative hadn't done any political activity attacking the left in almost nine years because i was very aware that i was. you know i felt i had been betrayed

by the movement i felt guilty. when i had supported. so i waited till i was relatively cool and you know it's in your character. if you're passionate or not pay david is that you started writing or graffiti is after believe on pacer. rockefeller's not a big american family right i mean when you started writing all those biographies did you interview members of both working families yes you moved into a new social orbit as a result of your gardener. now no. i really am we made pretty much the same all my life i didn't want to ending the war but i mean i did i did i had some i lost every friend that i ever had as as a leftist and that was a mid-life. so later we constituted might write friendships i think that's

a big factor that keeps people in the lessons that they know that if they cross the line they're going to lose it well their friends. i mean right yeah just. ok ok all right sorry about that no problem i am for but he's going to be human face but you will be allowed to do he's. got you know that's going to be put down and i took a similar what you do at all i have to go to universities with bodyguards because of the fascist left in this country i have assassination threats or whatever i think the only guy in the shop that was physically assaulted by i think i would be a communist and by congolese of. the nationalists so i might come on

t.v. but i can tell you who will you be voting for in the upcoming election well we don't have a candidate yet well i mean amongst the pack amongst the candidates oh i think romney has the best chance to be. it's a big debate about yeah i'm not i'm not happy with anybody. now you can hear me feel it's very tragic and really maybe even betting the long term for the fight that you have not yet stage that republican kind of thing you could stimulate peace simply was an aid to produce a country they have enough growing force and so it's very sad i don't look happy about them i agree it's too bad thank you david horowitz. visiting he's not going to want to come you nice he's a socialist human face trial he's a waste farmer fake he said so so you have human faces i know myself i'm just not good frocks growing up that i'm. ok thank you very much you know i write.

ok you know i got there but you know you have to do it to be the strategy to spread this force madness you're going to. see. the place be a staple you on the plane and you mr qasim he looks like you are or something you know so i think it's time to race mistakes.