no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune in to chris reports. at five thirty pm moscow time these are the top stories on our t.v. mainstream media lash out at their former favorite whistleblower julian of songs resorting to personal insults after his interview show debuted here on r t but some experts believe their star butare and is down to journalistic jealousy and political agendas. president elect lazy mayor puts and picks out throwing leaders immediately with radio to replace him as head of russia's ruling party has made it has given the final kremlin speech of his turn before handing over the reins of power to putin in two weeks' time. and it's claimed that n.g.o.s are trying to incite foreign intervention in syria or violence continues despite

a fragile truce between government forces and rebels characterisations are accused of publishing unconfirmed reports similar to those which helped provoke international military action in libya. as promised julia songs here on our t.v. this time he referees between two guests with very different ideologies that's next . i'm julian a song. editor of wiki leaks we've exposed the world secrets these documents long the united states government being attacked by the powerful united states strongly condemned a good action by the world illegally shoot for five hundred days now i've been

detained without charge but that hasn't stopped us. today we're on a quest for revolutionary ideas that can change the world tomorrow or today i am joined by an intellectual superstar this lenient philosopher so i boy here a former anti communist dissident now turned so described communist together we called david horowitz a former left wing radical and black panther life now a fiery right wing zionist i want to know what they think about the future of europe and the united states a conversation becomes heated you get has to be physically restrained we shout rant and talk calmly about nothing and palestinians black panthers and israelis about a bomb or romney einstein and. david you describe yourself as a conservative and describe yourself as

a communist but nonetheless i was of you have had a picture of stalin. don't think they don't. know many many. about it now. yeah right i can't talk to you that's an international shot. all right go ahead david can you tell me what do you mean by conservative and why do you have a picture i'm starving. well look at the picture of stalin it was on my office well was his death and i'm a conservative because the leftists are utopians have no idea what human nature has. and therefore when they get the power they are faced with a big problem which is that people go cold with their program and so they kill them

and put them in gulags and. the problem with the utopian idea is the idea. of a fenced right starting precisely to remind me and give maybe something marginal limited even a good base that he would remind me of there but he thinks they know of but i do believe you can experiment you know i don't know what to make of what sluggo is saying when he says that salad is there to remind him of the dangers of totalitarian it i'm thought totalitarian strain in the left or the dangerous out. that utopian ideals can lead to because he supports all a totalitarian movements in the world that i can see. your supporter of. the closest thing we have to nab season which was you go to utopia an idea in the middle east you know you support the palestinians i don't see anything to

distinguish the palestinians who want to kill the jews from the net seafront did you ever visit the west bank it's going to face or do this we didn't know what i do think that i don't know that i meet my jewish friends he said and i can tell you what i do. i do not think i might ever face because i find it tasteless based oh what nazi for doing good food for truth and now doing the palestinians i. this is tasteless but saudi police are out of they're screwed up yes they're screwed by hamas no you know who might be you know here i see them going to saudi arabia i guess that's the way the way is that i could not get you not to fight and so on is there any policy open that displayed for hamas influenced their second going to blame the jews from us great oh my god you see this is what i

got like i have my gut ok i blaze its roof and i do not know i want to know how serious he just might be look at the situation of we mean now yok corny but he's the strongest part of the younger ones responsible for this united states that is the point isn't going to change international left in the democratic party united states that went to war for saddam and against george bush when he went into iraq we should have settled their hand we should not have you know we should have i could buy them for something that they've given this is a mapping program to which i should have stuck into syria and that we should have stuck into iran but bush came under such a panic. from it from the democrat there's never been such a seditious movement by a major american party they all supported the war not all of them but their

leadership supported the war they voted in their majority of the senate at the door and then they turned against it and the light saying that bush lied bush couldn't have lied about the intelligence because kerry and rockefeller and feinstein all the democrats sat on the intelligence committees they had their intelligence then julian in in the words agreed to the work that wiki leaks does we. are pushing forward the boundaries of a certain type of liberty it is we say protected by the first amendment that is the liberty to to reveal the truth about the world to protect a story or record from interference and so on. i saw this incredible poster that the u.s. army produce which is a poster of jefferson. say it was a big statue of jefferson saying the cost of liberty is a turtle beach once that is the price of liberty and it had

a giant interception systems people with guns and coast guard and people looking out over the sea with with spy glasses they had interpreted jefferson's statement which was that to start a strong state we must be eternally vigilant into we must have a strong state an aggressive state a surveillance state in order. i think it's regrettable that the state is so big. then our defense has to be so big i channel the regrettable but it's a reality and you know what i'd like to go back to the thing about liberty and equality. of course if people are unequipped if people had an equal counts an equal intelligence then the only way to make them equal is to take away liberty that's the only way you can do it there's no other

way so of course there's an inherent conflict between the liberty listening to quite i'm not an idealist yet in contrast what you think i am not far from freedom everything should be made public but i think these are not doing these all i'm saying when the way. but great power of structure a certain level of she pocket he she if. then selectively when think the house that would think that of course we have only a scholar who passed. the state power in the sense of saudi. the st louis bet you don't know about the and i have be we have to play this game i'm not that stupid but when obviously this past week. seems like we can least can play a very. quality i don't see any they would also qualified lawyer if i disagree if

the revolution got any records we had a new revolutionary government new revolutionary government and with you makes managed to get hold of all this going got that government and we were going to publishers i mean i'm sure west wing would i would i would i be it would be good you know me i can not going to use a joke yeah you know what it's the difficult for me to answer this question now when i will be part of the distribution of the government i will send you my answer to your poor luck selling fake yeah yeah. yeah i've also heard ideas it's got to be ordered it can't be. part of that in some sense it's a video on the front front of guantanamo bay the slogan is on a pound to defend freedom you know in iraq there is a prison camp camp between these to me seem to be abuses of the word freedom and i want to know from you do you really think

this tremendous state that is growing up in the united states is that entirely necessary to combat the rival risk competition the united states has from trying to from europe or or is this now so feeding system you know this isn't this people are the problem people are the problem it greedy they lie they just see folk they manipulate. you know their egocentric. we understand that and people in government i just the same dangerous people with more power so that's why we have the checks and balances and i'm i'm all for you know morse group me and this and that however we live in a context united states and israel i under attack from the international left which is very powerful for marlee's pick taters in south america that somebody seems to

get along with. from the islam a fascist. and we live in an age when they have nuclear weapons and chemical and biological i think there's going to be and i can cast a fee that will work for everything that happened in the twentieth century in the twenty first because of this thank you thank you see the a creation of an enormous secretive bureaucracy doing each other favors involved in their rotating door contracts etc but don't you see that perhaps can be similar to what occurred in the soviet union and we need a strong so you need if we eliminate competition but the fact that look you've got a leftist in the white house a guy who was brought up and trained by communists whose whole political career was in the communist left you have competition you know you think you can have what you think of this monolith and you know the secret that controls

everything you have if you prefer think of it as many mafias and they're all at each other's throats and that's what keeps us somewhat safe. well jay briefly you know first let me state something without any american is there some of this country's like like like russia. shut down the opposition i know and asked against their own you know what you mean and i'm from isn't this the guy whom when he made wars bush said you remember i looked into putin's eyes and i knew i can trust that guy because he's just that would know what i'm saying is that look at my look stupid things that bush didn't say it and i thought it was yeah yeah ok let me go so listen i'm unstuck smedley you know yesterday russian you released kong you nice you know that communists like to blow. the true opposition them democracy you must know these companies like to call everyone who

opposes them fascist if you did a mob this democratic oh fuck the skunk that evolution what i am afraid is that you use the word communist in a slightly similar way who ever is a little bit of critical or american consumer i think establishment he's a communist kind of call you by name calling and he's their only not referring you never heard of the rock obama yet was involved meaning the one standing on google and used up the lines here then you have no idea of barack obama's background who he actually is if you say that because this is not just about my own well i don't care about saying he runs challenge background was a religious point who points i have some of them as we both know let me go briefly on but don't you think that nonetheless i think and desist and you dance is your doing it and doing something if not this is a good thing but don't you think that nonetheless for me the great failure of bruce

press you did see was that we feast known i wouldn't use the word of aggressive sometimes you need not intelligent politics did he he the result of peace decay was that the united states effectively. com came close to losing the position of. power under the boost you united space lost effectively control over latin america and so on and so on and i think and this is not i don't say to some lefties gee who finally got united states but i think we are entering to even think we're going to do a very dangerous. well of all of these dreams diplomatic i mean somehow the game controller for me over and again i'm not saying these should be any you know what i mean of these things are. dangerous weapons i agree if i suppose you think you're

not as bad listen let's face it and put this many lefties to be like use me off your centrism or whatever european welfare state that in march then. if you put a meet meet east european lab mark then i think even united states getting wasn't this may be the unique period in human he story after world war two who went from a state where so many people in such safety. three daum and so on don't make too much fun if you were ok again i think a spot i think last fall it was a disastrous spirit europe and europe is a cultural theme park and in significant that's what happened that's what your welfare state it just took you are out of the pot i have had personally i personally experience but with the socialist green paradise of sweden and i can

tell you it is nothing like you have a typing course in print because of the official speaking system because something has broken down at the suite the swedes have no warrants the david striving towards the target the striving towards a better position even if even if that position is liberty it is more liberty but is a striving of the wrexham that people wish to have because they can measure and temper events by erection of their hooks and ideals have we now abandon back to religion because religion is there waiting in the gap they can see it's easy to be indigenous people can't live with dissent most people can't live with the sense that their lives are meaningless that they just you know born and die and are forgotten. so if you're a religious person then there's a divinity who's going to make sort it out in the afterlife there redemption in the next life if you're not religious you want

a redemption in this life that's what the left is about it is a religious little bit and it's not an accident that all things is utopianism whether it's communism or fascism or dances or do you better. or what liberalism. because for you with thought yeah people have to want to make things better i just you know maybe take a lot of impatience and make a pain in my discharge so you know i'm trying to think of of why not with what you want to do when you want to do what you do is it is a radical means they can have very destructive consequences that are both mannesmann you have to get you know when you can't keep that in quotes always but when you put it down to keep that in court of course you don't say oh let's try to be friendly need that's not the guy they're doing for modestly you have put out a momentum i know that's the be i can ask you i don't see it here i hope we agree at least and go toward if you talk b.s.

about for me michel he's in the summer of this month i see is he all of doom approaching potential catastrophe and all i'm saying we should fully consciously confront this catastrophe no easy utopian think cook anything only need but i hope so i let me try to time. you were just really had never said that he's not even quit the end maybe that is your man he said come you nice he's a commie and he said you know what i was going to say i think war is the natural war is the natural condition of mankind has always been worst right somebody from the beginning ok and many of them he's occurs only when there's a concert of powers or a single power that can intimidate would be aggressors now i ask you who would you like that power to be other than the united states.

i don't know but i think it's no longer even the candidates but me and united states get well that's right that's why we're facing such catastrophe but you're contributing it by encouraging leftists isn't the way to keep the state accountable is to have a free market in states i mean different political options different political guy and then people who don't like the conditions in months they can move to another state they can leave the business of making nuclear assets they can do that then leaves united states is not equipped as as we showed in iraq we can't we can't even occupy a country we can we can barely conduct a four day work that was a six week run and we america. it's a country where people are so up this so much opportunity people are so busy having fun. they don't want to go to work americans don't want to go to work because i think america has to be lied into war no actually it was tony blair that

think that the united states is crippled. in part because its commander in chief is a leftist here i respect for he said yes he can i think space teeth have a set of connection and so on to go but of i'm sorry to inform you he's the cause of people like obama who can succeed there were days into obama's administration he authorized his first strike in pakistan do you think about really is when he came into office and actually when he was running he knew that his weak point was that the military so he picked pakistan. he has killed more civilians and the left much and get away with it because the left because the left isn't religious forces and it's nothing to do with principle the left doesn't care about. asians being you know killed by drones you know those what does he want what does he want to do what the streets protesting what obama schooling in pakistan and afghanistan

you know beyond you know i don't have any respect for leftists anymore because i don't think their principle is the. difference we have both critical parts obama a critical part of what i mean is a social you're critical to want to vomit because you think he's a communist leftist i am critical to work obama because quite on the contrary i think that he's not the key could close at the left he's he's not he pretends to be a leftist he's not that's the printer know what you're talking about style boy i'm going to have listen no attack gallery i mean even when obama is doing that just because they're a leftist these out of your own leftist friends colleagues not my friend i don't buy this democratic left you know that's true democracy blah blah blah all i'm saying is that the problem gives gave advice to communism speech here we just.

i'm afraid what happens although you don't find this for you know it isn't the point yet the problems are going to be here for ever you know but you know there are problems and problems that's a good honest think you ok lets it go let's place on this gentleman for whom that we see things we have a lot of ground meat we have a lot of ground point we have a lot of ground zero we have to find magic and. so i thought maybe. that's ok. we have a lot of ground to cover and i do want to go over ok so. david you were in the black panther and you stayed in the black panthers post well he was never a member i raised money for you helped them you were you were involved in that activities and you supported them yes. you made those banks who had people that know you face the method. and you brought in

a book keeper from the then ramparts magazine which you which you were editing. but even paper and i just want to draw your attention to a letter that was sent to you. in my mind you were the person responsible for baby step sending her into order to penzance books at this particular time was tantamount to addressing her in a clue klux klan white sheet and sending her out to talk you know this isn't this isn't that i mean i just slanderous letter by a bitter guy well you know who actually was appalled at the papers before i was it never said anything. the left will defend the cause and will sacrifice any and it will in this case it was me. david do you think this this tragedy i mean you're an old you know you know murder i mean a murder was around you this is. something of great personally importance to me and

it must have affected your your outlook on the world but do you think that you and this opened your eyes to the reality or rather it colored your perceptions i was very aware of so many was killed in our body was discovered in february one thousand seventy five. i didn't do anything political and after that for the next. nine years i voted for reagan and one nine hundred eighty four and that's when i say conservatives of course i came under tremendous attack from the left but i hadn't said anything. i was going to say and said anything negative hadn't done any political activity attacking the left in almost nine years

because i was very aware that i i was. you know i felt i had been betrayed by the movement i felt kilty. when i had supported. so i waited till i was relatively cool and you know it's in your character to. if you're passionate but they david is that you started writing partner friends after them believe on pacer into rockefeller's another peak american family right. when you started writing all those biographies and you interviewed members of both welcoming the family yes you moved into a new sort of orbit as a result of your bargain and. i really had we been pretty much the same all my life i didn't do anything there were bits i mean i did i did i had some i lost every friend that i ever had as as a leftist and that was

a good life. some way to reconstitute it might make friendships i think that's a big factor that keeps people on the left is that they know that if they cross that line they're going to lose it well their friends. i mean right yet just. ok ok all right so you got no problem i am for about anything be human face but you will be allowed to do he's. got you know it isn't that you'll be prepared and activism or what you do at all i have to go to universities with bodyguards because of the fascist left in this country i had assassination threats all over ninety only guy in the south that i was physically assaulted by i think i have to be a communist by congolese to be i think of the nationalities so i might come up and

not like you who will you be voting for in the upcoming election where we don't have a candidate yet vote i mean amongst the cat amongst the candidates oh what i think romney has the best chance to be is going to be the big yeah i'm not i'm not happy with anybody. i agree here with you it's very tragic and really maybe even better long term for the vitality of the night that states that republican. simply wasn't able to produce a candidate which will have enough growing folks and it's very sad i don't look happy about them i think that's too bad but thank you. so you know visiting here. in the commune east he's a. human face because. i'm afraid he said. you

don't think the noblest bottom is made of the rocks growing up. ok thank you never . go away. ok but you know your gifts are going to be the students but the sports mad men you're. just. playing ph people like you i'm not playing against a case of you looks like you are or something you know so i think it's time. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for like sleep you think you understand it and then you let something else here see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry like the pacific ocean.