and you can also follow me on twitter at all for now have a great night. i am julian assange. editor of wiki leaks would expose the world secrets these documents belong the united states government being attacked by the powerful united states strongly condemning what action we broke the law illegally shoot someone for five hundred days now being detained without charge but that hasn't stopped us. today we are on a quest for revolutionary ideas that can change the world tomorrow or today i am joined by intellectual superstar. philosopher flyboys you're a former anti communist dissident now turned so described communists together we

call david horowitz a former left wing radical black panther life now a fiery right wing scientist i want to know what they think about the future of europe and the united states the conversation becomes he did you get asked to be physically restrained we shall read and talk calmly about nazis and palestinians black panthers and israeli about a bomb or romney and start with. david you describe yourself as a conservative and describe yourself as a communist but nonetheless both of you i've had a picture of stalin. that. spans it's going to make free money don't mess with me and. yeah right it can't or she's an international shot.

all right go ahead david and you tell me what you mean by conservative and why you have a picture of stalin well look at the picture of stalin it was i my obvious well what's his death and i'm a conservative because the leftists utopians have no idea what human nature hears. and therefore when they get the power they're faced with a big problem which is that people don't go along with their program and so they kill them and put them in gulags and. the problem with the utopian idea is the idea. but for right colleen pretty feisty and remind me and give maybe some imagine a liberal even agree precisely or you mind me of there and he thinks they know of

and i could tell you quite straight and you know i don't know what to make of what's libel you're saying when he says that salad is there to remind him of the dangers of totalitarian it and the totalitarian strain in the left or the dangers of. that yeah utopian ideas can lead to because he supports all a totalitarian movements in the world and i can see. you're supporter of. the closest thing we have to nab season which was you know utopian idea in the middle east you know you support the palestinians i don't see anything to distinguish the palestinians who want to kill the jews from the nats leeson did you ever visit the west bank. it's the thought that he faces for the street he doesn't i don't really know what i'm saying is that i know that everything i do is framed in a sense and i can tell you what i. am not saying i must emphasize because i find

it tasteless these yes oh what nazi for. truth and i would be extremely honest i agree this is state's place but saudi police are out of their screwed up yes they're screwed by hamas no. p.l.o. here is he's against saudi arabia i guess that's the way we go way is that i could not get your ass back and so on israeli policy open god this page for hamas to influence their second going to blame the jews for are not so great oh my god you see this is what i don't like oh i oh my god i don't carry a i grade the truth to make you like you are you know what i want to know how seriously just run to look at the situation of we mean now yacc corded but he's the strongest woman i'm going to goods responsible for this united states that is the

party think international left in the democratic party united states that went to war for saddam and against george bush when he went into iraq we should have settled their hand we should not have told we should have i give tied them for something to save this is a having a program which i have been pushing this is not going to syria and that we should have stuck into iran but bush came under such hand. from the from the democrat there's never been such as seditious movement by a major american party they all supported the war not all of them but their leadership supported the war they voted in their rejoinder to senate for the war and then they turned against it and they lied saying that bush lied bush couldn't have lied to. about the intelligence because kerry and that whack a feller and feinstein all the democrats sat on the intelligence committees they had their intelligence then julian in in the work that we do the work that wiki

leaks does we are. pushing forward the boundaries of a certain type of liberty it is we say protected by the first amendment that is the liberty to to reveal the truth about the world or take the story to record me to ference and so on i saw this incredible poster that the us army produced which is a poster of jefferson. say it was a big statue of jefferson saying the cost of liberty is a turn to be true and that is the price of liberty and it had. giant interception systems people with guns and cars god and people looking out over the sea with with spike losses they had interpreted jefferson's statement which was that to stop a strong state we must be eternally vigilant into we must have a strong state an aggressive state

a surveillance state in order we i think maybe yet i think it's regrettable that the state is so big. that our defense has to be so big and i actually actually regrettable but it's a reality and you know what i'd like to go back to the thing about liberty and equality. of course if people are unequipped if people had an equal talents an equal intelligence. then the only way to make them equal is to take away liberty that's the only way you can do it there's no other way so of course there's an inherent conflict between the liberty listening to look at an idea at least here in contrast what you think i am not for. freedom everything should be made public but i think. i'm not doing these all i'm saying when the way. but great power of stocks are set to level of she

pocket he says and he then selectively when i was to put think that of course we are all based color too fast to state power in the sense of saudi we have two percent of the st louis back and a bit you don't know about deep and i have be we have to play this game i am not the stupid but when obviously this is the last east coast think like we can east can play a very positive even though i don't see any they lose that also lost imo if i disagree if the revolution had to be ready we had a new revolutionary government yet new revolutionary government and wiki leaks managed to get hold of the skeletons of that government yeah and we were going to publish it i mean i'm sure you wish women were not what i would i be it will be me i can look at a few spare joke yet you know what it's the difficult for me to answer this

question now when i will be part of the civilization of the government i will send you my own separate who are accepting say good. bye possibly ideas it's got to be ordered liberty and can't be but everybody just thought of that in some sense a video on the front front of guantanamo bay the slogan is on a pound to defend freedom in iraq there is a prison camp camp liberty. these to me seem to be abuses of the word freedom and i want to know from you do you really think this is a tremendous state that is growing up in the united states is that entirely necessary to combat the rival risk competition the united states has from china from europe or or is this now a self-feeding system it's you know there's the people are the problem people are

the problem the greedy they lie to see people they manipulate up you know their egocentric we understand that and people in government i just the same pains risk people with more power so that's why we have the checks and balances and i'm i'm all for young boys scrutiny and this and that however. we live in a context the united states and israel i'm sure it tact from the international left which is very powerful well of dictators in south america that somebody seems to get along with. from the islam no fascists. and we live in an age when they had nuclear weapons and chemical or biological i think there's going to be and i can cast a fee that will dwarf everything that happened in the twentieth century in the twenty first because of this don't you think you see the creation of an enormous

secretive bureaucracy doing each other favors involved in rotating door contracts but don't you see that perhaps can be similar to what occurred in the soviet union and we need a strong surgeon any if we eliminate competition but the fact of it look you've got a leftist in the white house a guy who was brought up and trained by communists whose whole political career was in the communist left you have the competition you know and you think you can have what you think of this monolith and you know the secret that controls everything you have if you prefer to think of it as many mafias and they're all at each other's throats and that's what keeps us somewhat safe. or ha but if you you know first let me state something without any american east i'm limits countries like. russia. shut down the opposition i know and asked again some fairly i know

whom you mean and i'm guessing this is the guy whom when he made the goof bush said you remember better i looked into concise and i knew i can trust that guy but this is just that it would know what i'm saying is that look a little stupid things are pushed so you might. get yeah ok let me go so listen i'm unfortunately you know he was very nice and you you eat corn you nice you know that the communists like to blotter. the through a position to them democracy you must notice congress like to call everyone who opposes them fastens if you did a modest democratic process comfortable you should look i'm afraid that you used to go to common use in the slightly seamy lot of weight who ever is a little bit of american consumer i think establishment he's a common these kind of girl you got called on these they're older not retiring

you're not referring to barack obama yes he loved meeting didn't want to spend it on google he was replying to here but you have no idea of barack obama's background who he actually is if you say that because this is not just about my own well i don't care i'm not saying you guys challenge background was really just point who points i felt some of them as to be both know let me go briefly on gut don't you think that nonetheless i think and dismissed as you saw you in a doing that if not this is a good thing but don't you think that nonetheless for me the great satan get a boost but as you could see was that we feast no one i wouldn't use the word of i guess she's from that sunidhi not intelligent thought he thinks that he he's good he's out of he's dk was that the united states effectively.

come came close to losing the position of unity but has the power and the boost you united states last effectively control over latin america and so on and so on and i think and this is not i don't say to be some lefties gee who finally be got united states but i think we are entering even temper could you a very dangerous. weather all these dreams become medicare is somehow the game controller for me over and again i'm not saying this to be any you know what i mean of the stranger yank which is a dangerous one i give you my answer to you in a your i not is your bed listen let's face it and put this many lefties to be accusing me of your centrism or whatever european welfare state dean martin. if you'll permit me to east european lab mark then i think even united

states getting wasn't this may be the unique period in few months after one of the who went for state benefit so many people leave in such safety. three dollars and so on don't make too much fun of the world again i think it's fine i think the last always was a disaster spirit europe europe is a cultural theme park it's significant that's what happened that's what your welfare state it just took you are out of the plight i have had personally i personally experience with the socialist green paradise of sweden and i can tell you it is nothing like you have a time thing but it wasn't pretty sort of the official speaking from the if something has broken then you have to sweet the swedes have no morals the david striving towards the target the striving towards a better position even if even if that position is liberty it is more liberty but

is the striving a direction that people wish to have if they can measure and temper events by the direction of the hopes and ideals have we now abandoned that true religion because religion is there writing in the gap this can see it's easy to indigenous people can't live with the sense most people can't live with the sense that their lives are meaningless that they just you know born in die and are forgotten and. so if you're a religious person then there's a divinity who's going to make sorted out in the afterlife that redemption in the next life if you're not religious you want a redemption in this life that's what the left is about it is a religious movement and it's not an accident that all things is utopianism clear the roots of communism or fascism or dances or did better. or what liberalism. it was for you with all the people have to want to make things better i

just you know you may take a lot of the addition to make a modest change so you know i'm trying to think of of one that would what you want to do when you want to do what you do is it is a radical means they can have very destructive consequences that i most mannesmann you have to give you when you can't keep them and call call it but when you put a temp and heat let in court of course you don't say oh it's right to be friendly but not see god damn week modestly look at momentum i know that's the be i'm going to ask you i hope you're here i hope we agree at least and all of that you talk be a scout for me michel he's in the summer months i see is the oldest who we are approaching but then sort of pastoral feasts and thought i'd say my piece we should fully consciously confront this capacitor feast no easy you talk to me on think companies only need that are your books so i let me try to tie up these this notice

you are just going to have a second that is not a whitby and maybe that is your man his community he's a communist you know and i was going to say that war is the natural war is the natural condition of mankind has always been wants right something from the beginning ok and many of the peace occurs only when there's a concert of powers or a single power that can intimidate would be aggressors now i ask you who would you like that power to be other than the united states. i don't know but you know i think it's no longer even the candidates but me and united states well that's right and that's why we're facing such catastrophe but you're contributing it by encouraging leftists isn't the way to keep the state accountable is to have a free market in states different political options different political ok and then people who don't like the conditions in months they can move to another state they

can move their businesses they can do their assets they can move united states is not equipped as as we showed in iraq we can't we can't even occupy a country we can we can barely conduct a four day war that was a six week one and we americans it's a country where people are so there's so much opportunity people are so busy having fun. i don't want to go to war americans don't want to go to work and have erica has to be lied in for war no actually it was tony blair the united states is crippled. in part because its commander in chief is a leftist here i respect for he said yes it's good that it's tasty three percent of attacks and so on to go but of i'm sorry to inform you because of people like obama were concerned that your days into obama's administration he or theorize he's grown

strike in pakistan do you think about really is what he came into office and actually when he was running he knew that his weak flank was the military so he picked pakistan. he has killed more civilians and the left much and get away with it because the left because the left is a religious forces and nothing to do with principle the left doesn't care about. asians being you know killed by drones you know the what is he what does he want to do in the streets protesting what obama's schooling in pakistan and afghanistan you know. you know i don't have any respect for leftists anymore because i don't think their principal is the video diffidence we have both groups as part of some drama you are critical to watch i mean it's a social you're critical to want to vomit because you think he's a communist leftist i'm critical of obama because quite on the contrary i think

that he's not the key could close at the left he's he's not he pretends to be a leftist he's not that's the promoter know what you're talking about slug right i'm going to not lose another talent gallery i mean even when obama is doing but then just because they're a leftist these are your own cliff let's be friends because i've got a colleague is not my friend i don't buy this democratic left you know no that's true democracy blah blah blah what i'm saying is that the problem beef gave ice to communities from the street here we just. i'm afraid what happened was that i don't find this i noticed the problem yeah problems i'm going to be here for ever you know the problems and problems that actually get i just think you ok let's let's let's talk english gentleman that we see things we have

a lot of ground on we we have a lot of ground point we have a lot of ground zero we are fanatics and i thank them for this amazing guy gosh that's ok. we have a lot of ground to cover and i do want to go over it ok so. they have it you were in the black panther and you stayed in the black panthers post well you know that was never a member i raised money for you help them you were you were involved in activities and you supported them yes. you would leave those bankers who can't keep that money for you. and you've already in a bookkeeper from the ramparts magazine with. which you were editing. many banned paper and i just want to draw your attention through a letter that was sent to you. in my mind you were the person responsible for baby step sending her toward the pencils books at this particular time was

tantamount to dressing in a klu klux klan white sheet and sending her out to talk to you and this isn't this isn't fair and you had just such an interesting letter by letter guy. you know who actually was appalled at the panthers before i was and never said anything. the left will defend the cos and will sacrifice any interest in this case it was me. david do you think this this tragedy i mean you're an old you know you know murder i mean a murder was around you this is. something of great first an important statement in a must have affected your your outlook on the world but i do think that you it is open your eyes to the reality or rather it howlett your perception i was very aware so betty was killed in our body was discovered in february one thousand

seven hundred five. i didn't do anything politically after that for the next. nine years. i voted for reagan in one nine hundred eighty four and that's when i a bird as a conservative of course i came under tremendous attack from the left but i hadn't said anything. i was going to say and said anything negative hadn't done any political activity attacking the left in almost nine years because i was very aware that i was. you know i felt i had been betrayed by the movement i felt guilty. when i had supported. so i wait until i was relatively poor you know it's in your character to. if you're

passionate or not take david is that you started writing biographies after better believe on pacer into rockefeller's not the big american family right i mean when you started writing all those parker feelings did you interview members of both welcoming the family yes you knew dean to a new sort of orbit as a result of your bargain or. oh no no no. i really had made pretty much the same all my life i didn't want any more bits i mean i did i did i had to i lost every friend that i ever had as as a leftist and that was at mid-life. so maybe we constituted my friendships i think that's a big factor to keep people on the left instead they know that if they cross the line they're going to lose it all their friends.

yeah just just. ok ok all right sorry but no problem i am for probably still be human face but you will be allowed to do if. you got your no is it isn't it that you'll be put down and activism are what you do it well i have to go to universities with bodyguards because of the fascist left in this country i had assassination threats all over i'm the only guy in the south that was physically assaulted by three guys to be a communist by congolese of. the nationalities so i'm michel martin and if you didn't like you he will you be voting for in the upcoming election. well we don't have a candidate yet well i mean amongst the cat amongst the candidates oh i think romney has the best chance to. beat to beat obama yeah i'm not i'm not happy with anybody . here we feel it's very tragic and really maybe even betting the long term for the

good fight that if you have a night that states that republican it looks to me like beast simply wasn't able to produce a candidate which would have enough growing focus and khiladi it's very sad i mean i don't i'm not happy about but i agree it's stupid but thank you david horowitz. visiting he's a. leader who was going to call on you nice he's a socialist leader fumin face struck this is a waste of our faith he said something to the cuban faces the noblest fount of his might wrong growing up that you think. ok thank you very much you know i write. ok but you know you have the good to be especially nice but this was about your.

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