i know it's twenty twelve but it sure feels like nineteen eighty-four. if you value liberty privacy in the constitution then you will vote no on this but they love it they love it not the internet security bill known as says face to tongue lashing in the house of representatives but love it or hate it the proposal past and is now moving on to the senate well bring you the latest in the cybersecurity saga. to all the police are putting themselves in situations where while in speak we're likely armed and dangerous as in some us police officers are taking their promise to protect and serve a little too far these days but the shoot first ask questions later mentality so is our police force getting a little too trigger happy. plus calling in the long sharks wealthy u.s. lawmakers are debating the fate of hordes of indebted college students alz of

representatives approved a measure to keep interest rates low announced up to the senate but will they follow suit. good evening it's friday april twenty seventh seven pm in washington d.c. i'm christine for sound you're watching our t.v. . as a prize vote yesterday in the house of representatives by a vote of two hundred forty eight to one hundred sixty eight the house passed the cyber intelligence sharing and protection act or cispa how the vote was supposed to be taken today and in addition to passing with flying colors several more amendments were added to the bill the purpose of this legislation is to expand information sharing capabilities between the federal government and private companies and then in addition to allowing the government to access online information for purposes of national security and cyber security now it allows the

reasons of investigation and prosecution of cyber security crime to be used so basically any hacking or network disruptions you might be suspected of and the government gets to access all your information essentially the house of representatives is saying in no uncertain terms that the on reasonable searches and seizures prohibited by the fourth amendment are in fact allowed at least when it comes to the internet despite such a large show of support in the form of votes there were also plenty of critics of the bill as well if this bill had any privacy policy it would read you have no privacy the reality is the sister represents a massive government overreach in the name of security i know it's twenty twentieth's but it sure feels like a need for a news host if you value liberty to privacy and the constitution then you will vote no on cispa could the government use personal information to spar you on americans

yes so what's next for says fund for this country of system becomes law just a little earlier i was joined by journalist david seaman host of the d.l. show i asked him what he thinks the odds are of or similar legislation becoming the law of the land. well it already passed the house so it's a major threat it stands a major possibility of becoming law christine and i honestly would not trust what the white house is saying right now given this veto threat they did exactly the same thing with the national defense authorization act and then withdrew that veto threat in the side of the law on new year's eve so the white house does issue these threats and then they remove them we cannot count on the white house we cannot count on one man with a pen and to reverse this we need to speak out now before it does go to a senate vote later this week the implications are just i mean they're flat out terrifying the implications of this all well let me put one of those amendments that was added on the screen for our viewers basically this outlines all the reason

the government could access and share information cyber security investigation and prosecution of cyber security crimes protection of individuals from the danger or of death or physical injury protection of minors from physical or psychological harm protection of the national security of the united states. here's the deal david i mean it seems to me a lot of these are terms that would be interpreted very differently depending on who you ask. yeah it's to make movie comparisons of it's kind of like minority report and investigating pre-crime you're going after people before they've even committed anything that's illegal. in the case the adage that a moment where they added that now they can do this to protect children to protect minors this could be something is vague as you know somebody who is seventeen years old if you have a cousin and he or she is seventeen. that's enough for the government to read through all of your e-mails potentially all of your facebook messages every web

site you visit and do all of these things without telling you and b. without obtaining a warrant or getting any kind of court involvement for before hand they can just go on this fishing expedition and see everything you've ever done online and then take it from there it's just profoundly scary and the cyber security threat can be something as big as being on the same network or website where some kind of intellectual property infringement has occurred so if you use a big website like i don't know facebook or you tube chances are there's some infringement occurring somewhere on that network and this opens you up to the threat of the government and even random private security companies sifting through all of your e-mails you're not told that this is happening there's no warrant that's why huge issue i don't have a problem with spying on bad guys i have a problem on spying on people who done nothing wrong and doing it in the name of protecting children and protecting us from cyber security threats that i'm not convinced are even real i know it's a fine line here david i mean but i want to know i mean what do you think is the

answer clearly privacy concerns are the biggest ones launched by critics of this legislation but how else does the government deal with the threat of hacking and cyber threats from other countries without well knowing who's doing what online. the best way is that they obtain a warrant so if they saying that you're involved in something they go to a judge and they get a warrant and then you know the. internet services will give them all the information they need all of your activities all of your e-mails they can even send out a national security letter there are some some people there have been hundreds of thousands of those issued for american citizens and with the net as well if you're not informed about it they just do it so there are already a lot of mechanisms for the government to see what bad actors are up to online this is just a gross invasion of the everyday person's privacy and for what i don't understand what the tradeoff is here i don't understand what we gain as individuals in exchange for giving the government this free pass to look through all of our

activities and when you go online it's extremely difficult to find anybody who is in favor of cispa but when you do find somebody their argument is basically well you have no expectation of privacy when you do something online anyways and i disagree with that obviously the internet the variety of ways that your information can be compromised but when you send an e-mail on g. mail to your girlfriend or your spouse or when you check your bank account to see your balance in your current investments there is some reasonable expectation of privacy there and cisco takes that away well it seems to me that you know two hundred forty eight elective elected officials seem to be saying first of all that this is a good thing because they voted in favor of it and second of all that you know in a way yes before you needed to get a warrant these people seem to be saying they need to sort of monitor what's going on so they knew so they know who to give a warrant to and i think another thing that a lot of people are not talking about like the n.d.a. i mean we've interviewed chris hedges several times he's

a journalist he's concerned how some of the n.d.a. provisions will affect journalists same with says by mean we go on websites all the time that you know. people the government doesn't like our on we're doing research and some of that guilt by association stuff is a little scary sure it's very scary as a journalist myself i get a lot of crazy emails i get some scary e-mails from people and you know i have no part in that i'm just receiving the e-mail i'm not the one sending it but under so they could basically come after me and they could use that connection to read through all of my online activity this destroys the internet there are so many businesses that are no longer going to thrive as a result of cisco so that's the other thing i don't understand is not only is this bad for our privacy it's actually bad for big internet businesses kind of embarrassing or supporting it i was just going to argue a kind of interesting too that so many people are voted in favor of this law of so much more government overreach are the same ones saying you know the government

shouldn't be involved in in so many things it's just very interesting how it varies from issue to issue david seaman a journalist and host of the d.l. show well it's been twenty years since one of the deadliest and costliest urban uprisings in american history many parts of los angeles have been rebuilt since the one thousand nine hundred two riots but believe it or not there are some parts of the city that have been unable to fully recover over the past two decades the six days of violence ended with more than fifty deaths and more than a billion dollars in damage but it was much more than an angry reaction to the rodney king verdict as artie's ramon glinda shows us many of the underlying conditions which led to the rioting in the first place are still just as bad or even worse today. the riots the fire the looting continuing tonight and some say it is actually getting worse you don't belong here tonight images of arson in writing and golf in los angeles in one thousand nine hundred two remain vivid in the minds

of many americans sparked by the acquittal of four l.a.p.d. officers who brutally beat a black motorist the violence underscores simmering racial tensions and widespread distrust of the city's police this is where it all got started run the street where rodney king was beaten more than twenty years ago by several police officers the video which showed the extreme violence was shown worldwide and is one of the sparks which touched off an inferno throughout the city today the area near the beating looks different but many of the same concerns about police violence remain brutality is one thing and you know in the use of force is another it is not just the violence but the sense of justice being denied which help the rage boil over the only p.d. historically in black communities has been the poster agency for everything wrong with policing in america while the country's third largest police department claims

it has reformed in the past two decades they are still under fire for their lack of accountability but i'm still seeing a tendency on the part within the l.a.p.d. not to punish officers were at the intersection of normandy and florence known as ground zero for the l.a. uprising news footage showed a rule display of chaos and anger which had been brewing for some time now some of the residents here with that we spoke to say that some things have improved in the neighborhood right now we have here better than ever safe never but another look at this intersection also shows that many of the conditions which led up to the riots are still very present i. absolutely in that the city could are wrapped again there is continued police brutality continued repression tiffany wallace saw the unrest as a child and as an adult is troubled by a slumping economy not just in los angeles but across the u.s.

it's only a matter of time she thinks before impoverished communities again rise up in anger i'm hoping that if there's going to be some type of unrest that happens that it's productive that we have people allying together not burning down stores in our community back in one thousand nine hundred two this empty like here used to be filled with large stores after the fire has become a trash field for twenty years later this neighborhood in south los angeles which is mostly comprised of blacks and latinos still suffering from the acts of too few grocery stores and not enough jobs you have corporations it's that ran into l.a. you had every kind of government official on the song that came the ole and made a lot of promises promises forgotten say residents once the dust settled nationwide black unemployment is still in the double digits and african-americans are much more likely to end up homeless or jailed i would say might be

a little bit done because you know times are harder you know people are struggling with common ground jobs are hard to get you know people are struggling these days fertile conditions for unrest found not just in los angeles but all over the u.s. today in los angeles ramon lindo r t. now even rodney king so the l.a.p.d. has learned from this that you won't see something like this happen again but what about other cities it's not just petang as police use sometimes it's guns sometimes tasers that in many cases a result resulted in the suspects dying after repeated shocks to galvanise a managing editor for reason dot com and has been covering this issue extensively i spoke to him earlier about what he thinks are some of the underlying issues and implications of what's going on here. i think we need better data certainly we've we've had this amnesty international report recently citing five hundred deaths at the hands of tasers taser international more or less

maintains that nobody has died from tasers any time something happens with you know a non-lethal it's always chalked up to some other thing previous heart condition or the person's drunkenness or he fell down the stairs or he banged his head sixteen times so we need better way of looking at these things there is no doubt that a taser is less deadly than a lot of other ways you could use to subdue a person but there are questions about are situations that in the past might have been resolved by you know let's hang back and wait till this person comes down let's. pick him up at the next block after he runs out of breath or something like that become situations where officers clearly move in and just try and take you know possession of a person in a way that they wouldn't have in the past so we have a lot of video of that and certainly if you look at many of the occupy examples as

you mentioned you have many cases where a person who was clearly not a threat was somebody that did not meet maybe we maybe should have been arrested for something or you know depending on how you feel about the law but it was not somebody who needed to be restrained as a violently as they were and i think that's really most of the videos we have yes sorry no i think it's a really good point and just staying on the amnesty international report that you mentioned i think was just released a couple months ago showing that more than five hundred people here in this country in the u.s. have actually died after police official officers use tasers on them another thing in that report and ninety percent of those people were on armed suspects i think most people would argue that you know stun guns are better than real guns but i'm going to i guess i'm just wondering what point did they start being used as the first line of off. that is the real question in o.e. you want to be clear deaths in custody are more or less down the you know their

head there are fewer people dying at the hands of the police as part of arrest and there were twenty years ago you know the number goes up and down and it's also as i said it's not always clear because a lot of times the death in custody sort of gets attributed to something in that. you know excuses or whatever methods were used to get sort of strain the person but that is the big question i mean we why do we have to have this kind of force against people who are not on of the one of the people i was happy to see in the c.n.n. international mentioned was a guy that we did a lot of coverage of reason dot com a reason t.v. he's a guy in san bernardino county named alan kept part this gentle guy that you know the whole community knew him as you know almost like a forrest gump figure he was tasered to death he was tasered nineteen times by. you know there were probes in his flesh to prove it there's

a civil case going on the officers were all excused all he is accused of apparently and the police reports are so opaque that it's been very hard to figure it out but apparently all he did was honk at a sheriff who may or may not have cut him off in traffic and he died for a while and i think you just mentioned this but i think it's a really important point to bring up in so many of these cases officers are either cleared or they're put on paid administrative leave i think it's fair to say that incidents like this in the long run make police officers jobs more difficult i know you know in my local news experience so many people when there was a crime committed people could have helped with investigations people could have told you who shot so and so but they never did because they said they didn't trust the police i wonder if you think there's a discussion about some of the messages the police department send when they continually time and time again and let these officers off put them on paid leave you know let them stay home and get a paycheck. yeah you know there are many opinion opinions as there are police

officers you'll find some who you know believe that good police work is the key to getting what you want and it's not necessarily brute force or any of the other things unfortunately all of the you know the departments themselves or government agencies and the first per purpose of a government agency is to perpetuate itself and to excuse itself and to absolve itself of any responsibility for its failures in the other big organizations in volved in this are the police unions and their job is is just to make life easier for regardless of whether the cops are doing their job properly or not so just one of them at the time i mean what's the answer here because certainly it stands to reason that police officers want to have you know violent offenders afraid of them so where is that line between you know using a stun gun and doing nothing at all. yes having violent offenders afraid of them is

fine and i don't know that all of the population should necessarily be afraid of the police as you mentioned that's one of the things that keeps people from cooperating one thing that is working in our favor is that everybody has a camera and there's a lot of there are a lot of cases out there in that you can read reasons coverage again on a great story we have called the war on cameras everybody's got a phone everybody's got a camera a lot more stuff gets picked up rodney king you know it was unusual twenty years ago for somebody to get video of something like this happening at the hands of police and you know it's quite possible that you will not see stuff like that nowadays you're not going to see six or four officers you know all beating a guy who's down on the ground so you know in a way where we may be moving forward i want to emphasize that there are reasons to believe that we may have fewer violent episodes going on i think the issue is do non-lethal really you know lead to a lot more confrontational violent resolutions than you would have seen in the past

yeah i think it's a really good friends are to believe that the case i mention is a perfect example of that or i think we can all agree you should be allowed to honk at a police officer or even to mouth off to a police officer without paying for it with your life totally agreed to cavanagh managing editor for reason dot com in our studios in los angeles thanks so much when it comes to getting a college education in this country it's becoming more expensive something millions of americans choose to do and pay for that choice in the form of loans and debt for decades after they graduate and it's by the job market now more unwelcoming for college grads and it's been for a long time colleges and universities are still raising their prices over the last thirty years to wish and costs have risen by six hundred percent also average in-state tuition has risen by eight percent just last year and those who graduated in two thousand and ten have an average of twenty five thousand two hundred fifty

dollars in student debt. now in july the threat of another blow to students the interest rates on student loans is scheduled to double from three point four percent to six point eight percent president obama has brought this issue front and center and now both republicans and democrat democrats say they agree and they vowed to prevent the interest rates from doubling but it's not that simple the two sides disagree on how to pay for it republicans want to offset cost by taking money from a program within president obama's new health care law democrats say oil companies and wealthy americans should be taxed at a higher rate to help offset those costs and today in the house this afternoon the republican majority passed their version of the bill which will most likely be vetoed by president obama let's talk now about the student loan issue itself with steph gray a student debt activist and co-founder of student debt dot com hey there steph excuse me i've heard this battle described as politicians putting

a band-aid on a tumor and then sending the patient home what do you make of this issue usually reserved for congressional committees as opposed to the public stage. well it's bankers arguing about the rights of bankers it's not really about students it's not even about obamacare which boehner is willing to guy in order to fix this temporary issue you know this this isn't going to solve the student debt crisis at large this doesn't address the lack of refinancing rates for students and really what it comes down to is once again like the every single issue we've heard in the past year it's about are fusel tax hyper rich i don't understand why women's health has to be pitted against student debt reform i mean these are issues that affect some of america's most vulnerable and there's no need for us to have to duke it out for assistance and as a woman and student debt or i'm very upset my health is not a bargaining chip they affect some of the some of america's most vulnerable also you know the future of this country people who stand to make

a difference you know if given the opportunity but when people are strapped with so much debt so many loans that they never pay back it's very hard to sort of take the next step doing things like buying houses and starting businesses you know it's interesting stuff when you look at some of the most major riots and protests over the last year or so many of them have been about this very issue student debt we have some video of massive protests in chile a in london and we saw this week two we're showing it on the screen this week in canada these people are angry at the rising cost of getting an education so these protests even turn into riots i'm wondering i mean do you think in this country we've just gotten so used to this continual upswing and costs are what why are people doing what you're doing you know making more of a stink about this. well i mean this is only the tip of the iceberg things are bound to get worse fifty three percent of new graduate class or twenty fold are

bound to be unemployed or underemployed and if you're unemployed for only several months you can default on your student loan and not all mess up your entire financial future you may never be able to buy a house rent an apartment or even get a job but the sixty percent of employers that check credit when hiring but what it comes down to what i wanted to note is that sallie mae it all comes back to selling me america's largest student lender think of them as how bank of america was for the for closure crisis now house speaker john boehner his daughter works for sallie mae and he's very close friends with their c.e.o. albert lord so really this is about nepotism as well john boehner just helping out his friends and his child he's not thinking about america's youth we certainly see a lot of that here in washington the revolving door between lobbyists and politics and a lot of them are friends and relatives. we put some of the numbers up before but if you look at this timeline of what's going on here it's not just about this threat of the interest rate doubling we've got about a quarter of you know we've got about twenty five years of state funding decreasing

that means of course that we've seen over the last few decades then schools raise their tuition and then in many cases the federal government steps in to fill those holes with more loan money and as you said when students graduate they come out to a much rougher job market plus they've got loans piled on them talk a little bit about this cycle this vicious cycle that seems to be going nowhere fast well i mean like i said if you're unemployed in default and can't get a job because you've defaulted student loan then you're trapped in a catch twenty two which will affect your entire future and essentially hold whatever your version of the american dream is hostage whether you'd like to get married and your partner does not want to take on all of your student. or other situations where you'd want to advance your career or have a child. now is when you hold entire generations hostage future hostage and we've got a lot of free time from being unemployed underemployed and you know i think that boehner is making a very bad mistake i think he's also trying to exploit the opinion gap between

youth and baby boomers on the issue of student debt reform because frankly baby boomers just don't get it in one thousand eight hundred six hundred percent lower than it was today and real wages have not risen very much in the past thirty years so short maybe thirty years ago you would have to finance the full education while working full time at subway but that's not the case they need to hear the statistics you know a lot of the media coverage of student debt focuses on emotional sob stories from the most extreme cases affecting americans lives but it's a systemic issue that affects millions yeah a lot of people ruling out the fact a lot of people who do have jobs and who have good jobs in you know the career of their choice but still struggle i guess i'm wondering what your group your website suggest the government do about these problems of course is easy to point our fingers and to to list the things that are wrong but do you think there are viable solutions out there. well unlike boehner who serves only to help sell in may representative hansen clarke from detroit michigan who had the pleasure of meeting

in washington a couple of months ago is very much that of cades this issue he represents one of america's first congressional districts so he has a unique understanding of the issue of student debt and he also had loans through selling made directly and understands how they work as a company with regards predatory lending and collection practices right now represented hansen clarke wrote up a bill h.r. four one seven zero which you can read more about h.r. four one seven zero dot com and this is the student debt forgiveness bill it would help with a lot of necessary changes in public policy and refinancing rights that would give student doctors a leg up on reclaiming their futures for example early in the bankruptcy protection it's an interesting topic and certainly one that is going nowhere as it stands to certainly be a campaign issue and one that more people are starting to take notice of starting to care about just a shame that it has to be sort of made as a political issue with each side sort of adding their own version of how it should

be paid for stuff great organizer for occupy mentally ill and. the last thing i wanted to mention is that you know i love obama i'm going to be voting for him again this year but i'm still not sure whether or not he takes this issue as seriously as he should be because he's focusing only on federal student debt all right. interesting i mean your out of time standing goes after the private lenders all right thanks have a great day. let's talk now about what we've been seeing in the news a lot an investigation underway right now into several u.s. secret service agents accusations that they brought prostitutes back to their room in colombia felt america a lot of people have been wondering how many times in the past this is happened that they haven't gotten caught or new report out by the wall street journal shows that back in two thousand ahead of a visit by then president clinton secret service another white house staff visited moscow's most notorious nightclub the hungry duck for drugs and sex are the norm. has more this is new are back street in the center of moscow it's famed for its

entertainment venues its bars and nightclubs but there is more on the nightclub that achieve rather much more notoriety than others it was called the hungry duck and it's now being dragged into the scandal surrounding u.s. secret service agents the wall street journal the u.s. newspaper has quoted informed sources are saying that in june two thousand head of the trip by then president bill clinton u.s. secret service agents attended the notoriously this nightclub it was famous for its wild parties including its ladies' nights with warm reported to have a strip tease by nine hundred twenty women this all feeds into the comptroller surrounding an incident in colombia recently twelve agents were suspended after reports that they use prostitutes and the investigation has also been expanded into a possible use of internet salvador in two thousand and eleven when agents may also .