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mission street now with the palm of your. today on our t.v. we expect college students to try new things heck even experiment a little but i bet you didn't think i was talking about dabbling in drones like it or not unmanned aerial vehicles could be coming to a college campus near you so have drones just become that much a part of life in the u.s. . and occupy wall street starts off the month of may with a bang protests around the country clashes with police and even a few arrests we'll tell you what happened overnight and ask if these occupiers might be the future leaders of this country. plus a british panel ruled that rupert murdoch unfit to run the news but here in the
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u.s. fox news is raking in record profits so what's with the disparity and has the media mogul found the secret formula to making the news a profitable profitable business again we'll explore. it's wednesday may second five pm in washington d.c. i'm christine for you watching our team. well as the end of the school year and all those students graduating from high school and heading off to college well they'll have yet another field of study to choose from when they get there according to a new article by salon dot com several universities in this country are adding drones to their curriculum drone use drone development and more i can just say university for example there's now a degree offered in unmanned aviation and it's already got about thirty takers students there are already working with the kansas national guard and it's disaster
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response efforts by helping to develop drones that can serve a town's hit by tornadoes and at georgia tech students and teachers they're focusing on new technology to help make drone engines more quiet and therefore less detectable by those on the ground they're also working on what's called a flying android technology to make it so unmanned aerial vehicles will someday be controlled if they aren't already that is by smartphones and that middle tennessee state university there are several programs offered in unmanned aircraft systems and students their focus on the role of drones in civilian life and this is in all the electronic frontier foundation has been looking into this and found that the f.a.a. the federal aviation administration has already approved twenty five universities to fly drones in its airspace it also appears that some universities have already purchased drones so is the u.s. footing the bill earlier i asked this very question to him is to panic the electronic privacy information center take
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a listen. it is actually there are grants from the department of defense to the department of homeland security that are being used and being given not only to universities but to private companies and to law enforcement to encourage them and enable them to purchase drones that they might not have been able to afford on their own in order to experiment to see what they can do with them to provide surveillance and to look into their capabilities and hopefully in the future i think the goal is to get them to buy their own and to proliferate the system economy i want to for a second look at the bigger picture here i mean it was just a few decades ago that we saw you know a flurry of computer programming programs being offered at universities in the last decade or so we've seen a lot of focuses in things like web development. do you think more drones on college campuses in college curriculum means that something is about to explode not just on our diplomas but also in our skies that we're going to see a lot more drones what they're estimating thirty thousand drones in the united states national space in the next ten years so that is
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a lot of drones that is just an exponential amount more than what we have now i think the largest fleet currently in the country is done by the bureau of customs and border protection out of the h s they have nine drones that is the largest fleet currently if you think about going all the way up to thirty thousand these are going to be what you see when you're in your parts when you're walking down the street you're going to see these things flying over your head and now i want to hand you know some of these schools that we've been talking about some of the schools that have. volunteered or have decided to be to train people in the use of drones they're agricultural based and so they're looking to use drones for things like weed encroachment they don't want to spray pesticides on the farms on all of the areas the values are drone to sort of surveil below and do that they'll use drones for places where tornadoes hit often so they can survey the damage so those are some positive things i think that you that you can point to. do these programs have merit they're definitely positives to drone use like you said they can be used
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for many different things that are. are very good for i think the united states in fact there is one case of a drone being flown over a river and it actually detected animal abuse at a factory it's found what they called a river of blood and they were able to trace it back and to find what was going on at the factory that spezza great use however drones themselves can't tell the difference between surveilling a crop for weeds and surveilling a person so we have to be careful that we're not only training these people in how to conduct drones kind of like the video game piece of it the how to operate the joystick but also what it means to surveil somebody how what privacy rights are like where they feel like they should cross the line just morally and also you're seeing with large scale surveillance what the n.s.a. people who are controlling the surveillance have come out later years and actually have post-traumatic stress disorder because of having to spy on people and getting all that information they feel like they're encroaching on people's lives and this
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is actually a big issue and i think these students need to be trained in order to deal with kind of the repertoire sions that come with surveillance i think it's important to mention too because when it comes to drone use for spying a lot of people are saying you know there are so many good things that there use for the spying the surveillance aspect is really overhyped but the fact that if a private company or if the government is going to use drones for the purpose of surveillance they're probably not going to be talking about they're probably not going to have a whole lot of evidence or paperwork out there that's going to that could be used for evidence or talk a little bit about that i mean some people say this is overhyped but is it oh i definitely don't think it's overhyped we see it all the time where happens that a program used for one thing all of sudden becomes used for something else so for example with drones the customs border protection has nine they're supposed to use them to monitor the border to monitor for immigration for drugs and for just different things coming over the border that aren't supposed to be here now they're
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not only doing that. they're lending them out routinely it's coming out to local law enforcement to the f.b.i. for missions totally unrelated to where they were why they were originally license so let me just ask you this at what point amy should we expect to live in a society where it's very normal to see drones flying above us if we just walk outside in our backyards well like i said it they say it's coming in the next ten years hopefully it's coming with privacy rules and restrictions in place to protect us all and protect us in our daily lives so we're not totally being constantly surveilled and we know that that's not going on but i think under the regime as it is if we don't confront it and put something into place and it's on the way i think it's important to talk about it no matter what because we don't want to just wake up one day and have this happen we need to let people know that this is going on right now that our future children will be could possibly be trained in using drones this is happening right now and that's why we're here that's why ethics here is where petition the f.a.a. we're asking for rules are really being proactive and trying to get these
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restrictions put into place before they're rolled out because you find out that once the program's already in place it's hard to go back and say wait a second we should have done this before let let's stop for a second and go back to all right i'm just a fan of his legal counsel with the electronic privacy information center appreciate you come on show you so much let's take a look at what we've seen unfold on city streets over the last twenty four hours both in this country and around the world may day protests they've sparge much more than just discussions about workers' rights and immigration reform here in the u.s. much of may day was actually organized and celebrated by those involved in the occupy wall street movement it was a day that had been planned for months and even by many on to the occupy activists as comeback day the resurrection of the movement in a form visible to the public and to those not involved in some of the work being done behind closed doors are to correspondent to safiya church going to was up late into the night in new york city and take a look at some of the biggest protests that took place around this country.
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may day workers united after winter pause the occupy movement took the streets of its birthplace new york. on a day of action post-test took place in the big apple and throughout the country the fight between the political and. the workers at zero. percent rapidly growing by wall street movement hopes to be a new stage in the battle for social and economic justice. but what started out peacefully. turned more intense as the day went on with about thirty a rest to new york after an ocean of people marched through with streets the movement is still alive it's growing and people are taking notice and made their way towards wall street. people maced from portland to overland which saw nine arrested with
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a new vigor with which people flooded the streets is this a new dawn for occupy wall street the problems are real and they persist and they're getting worse the problem. kleptocratic banking elite confiscating well and this is causing economic to wrest. the wealth inequality continues to be a major issue for the working and many non-working americans well more hundred americans as much wealth as the bottom hundred fifty million of these protesters say the politicians turned a blind eye to the needs of the people as they promote the interests of wall street here. the system the demonstrators see as broken and come up with the democrats and the republicans would both disappear into some nasty households or that you know one of one it dante circles we're going to see. since the beginning of occupy
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wall street lasts. roughly twenty one hundred people have been arrested throughout the u.s. in the torrijos incidents of police brutality. were dozens more last night the question now is whether the move that took over american streets on may day will continue with the saying force to become a tangible next step of the american people taking this is about. from space you took an hour or two we. also had here on r.g.p. we're going to stay on this topic of may day its significance and also what's next for the occupy movement it's going to be hard to find this topic covered on any of the mainstream media and we'll talk about why. what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to break through it's already been made who can you trust no one who is you know view with a global missionary see where we had a state controlled capitalism it's called sessions when nobody dares to
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ask we do our tea question more. you just put a picture of me when i was like nine years old and don't you tell the truth. i have a confession i am a total get a friend that i love rap and hip hop music and pretty. much it was kind of a book yesterday. i'm very proud of the world without you it's a place. where we're talking just a few moments ago of what we saw transpire yesterday across the country really across the world in honor of may. day now here in this country
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a lot of it was about the future of the occupy movement and i also want to talk about some of the discoveries occupy wall street has brought about this is a topic you don't often see covered in the mainstream media but there are some places that pretend it doesn't exist let's talk about all of this with janke you are host of the young turks which you can watch online from three to five eastern and also on current t.v. every weeknight at seven pm eastern jake good to have you on the show let's start off i just want to ask you your thoughts on yesterday a whole lot of media outlets i noticed spinning it as a watered down version of maydays in the past year and there were tens of thousands of protesters across a hundred different cities you know i feel that if the tea party had done something that's significant that they would have been massive massive news can't you see it now all over c.n.n. the tea party is back right but when occupy does it you know they call it watered
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down etc now look you know i think there are fair points to be made saying that our by needs to sharpen their message and cetera so it's totally right and fair game if you want to criticize either some of the protests like in seattle smashing windows was really stupid if you ask me or how they delivering their message but to not cover it all seems like you're missing a pretty important news event and i guess i know that you've kind of had your eye on this young turks has done a pretty good job of covering it from what you've gathered janko what have you heard to be some of the most viable solutions i mean certainly the problems are clear we're living in a time when so many of these people out there on the streets will not live as well as their parents did even those who did everything right what solutions do you think should be focused on. so yesterday in order to participate in this because our show clearly has a perspective we went participate in the general strike part of for the online show so we didn't do a show which is very very rare for us now on a t.v.
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show we spent a great majority of time talking about the protests we sent three reporters down there to los angeles to cover it and and we get footage from all across the country because that we think it's really important to push that message because we believe in them message like i said we have a perspective and so what is the thing that they should focus on the most i think definitely getting money out of politics because look whatever issues you might have on immigration which were some of the protesters yesterday could be gay rights that could be poverty just you name it write it all comes back to the role of money in politics is the guys that give the donations the politicians the lobbyists are the ones that control the outcome in all this and none of us when they're the controlling the politicians which is the case in this country so i wish the occupy would focus their message on the core issue cleaning up our elections so that we actually go back to a representative democracy i think it's
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a good point i want to talk about this media aspect though when we talk about what we saw yesterday you know there are a few live shots on c.n.n. but here's another example i mean i've got the washington post here and we're seeing on the front cover this is obama and afghanistan we're seeing a large article on someone stealing the hands on the clock at georgetown and then there's just this very small bore about them are the marches that took place across this entire country i want to get your take on journalism says in journalism the citizen journalists the alternative outlets they've been the ones to really cover occupy both yesterday and throughout is this is how it's going to be. you know there's something fascinating about the magic of the media machine they all seem to have groupthink at the same time you know i've been trying to break it down to figure out how they do it but somehow i remember when i was in demo sen b.c. everybody in the building would be singing thinking the same buzz not every single person and not every single show of course would do that all the same stories but
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there was a general feeling of like what are the important stories and what are the stories that are not important you know my best guess is there's some influential. writers that write the morning news and everybody reads as same couple of articles on what's important that day and if those guys are those influencers don't think occupies important well then they don't write about occupy and look let's keep it real these are giant corporate machines that are running most of the media organizations in america and they have a vested interest in making sure that i bet he doesn't work how that filters down to the reporters in the producers is a fascinating process and i'm not sure i have figured out exactly how it works but there's no question that that in the end they're not interested in anti-establishment message because they are that established not just money and politics certainly also important to talk about that relationship between large corporations and the media there's also something else i feel that the occupy wall
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street movement has brought about and that is you know the harsh treatment by police the manner in which police handled this i know when you talk about oakland recently u.s. marine veteran scott olsen we're actually showing him on the screen right now he was critically injured several months ago by a tear gas canister fired by police has taken this video taken in oakland really brought out hundreds of people who were shocked and angry but it wasn't just the beginning of this movement just yesterday also in oakland we're seeing a picture right now of what's called a black water grizzly an armored vehicle frankly to me it looks like a tank this was brought out to deal with occupy protesters when so often you know after a yankee game in new york and a game in oakland you have far more disorderly conduct jank talk about what you've observed with with this aspect of all of this the involvement of police in this. so get a load of the disparity in treatment here so the bankers that wound up stealing billions
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of dollars well they get no jail time whatsoever they're the ones that cause a recession and in some way they're the ones that caused the occupy movement in the first place so there's no justice for them for them you don't get the tanks rolled out you don't get any of that they don't get shot in the eye by bean bags or whatever else they are treated with kid gloves in fact they get to keep the hundreds of millions of dollars that some of them made and then when we're angry that they robbed us blind and we go to do peaceful protests all of a sudden they roll out the tanks now look in some cases like in seattle where they're breaking the windows the cops go after those guys i get it they're doing vandalism and nobody should do them and you know it doesn't take courage to throw punch it takes courage to take a punch right as scott olsen did he wasn't doing anything wrong as part of a peaceful protest he was exercising is most fundamental right as an american citizen and and the cops overreacted part of the reason that they overreact is because they're the leadership of the police in places like new york are totally in
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bed with the top bankers here you know that in lower manhattan they have cameras throughout that area and that that center is actually operated by both private security for the banks and the new york police department together and of course the banks like j.p. morgan give a tremendous amount of money to the charities that the cops and then of course funnel back to the commissioner and his fancy parties etc so their bodies so of course ray kelly is going to tell them to go crackdown on my buddies you know guys protesting my friends over at j.p. morgan it's now i should mention that just yesterday a federal judge ordered the city of oakland and its police force to submit a plan on how they might change some of those harsh tactics they said you know if they don't they could face sanctions i don't know if you've heard about this but i'm wondering if you think that this is you know a step in bringing about change. you know i hope so and you know report came out
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about what happened in college campus through the famous pepper spray incident i hope they learn something from it and you know this is a as i said before supposed to be our most fundamental right and none of by the way also none of this happened to the tea party they protested all day long they had these huge crowds etc there is a constant down on them but the minute you protest the establishment all of a sudden they feel the need to pepper spray billy club shoot people etc so i hope that open strings itself out because oftentimes it's the police causing the bile and rather than reacting to violence what do you think is next saying for the occupy movement look i really hope that they coalesce their message because honestly worried about the process you know they do participatory democracy so they listen to each other for like three and a half hours and take vote after vote after vote and you know they haven't really solidified who their spokespeople are on television and that hurts them because now i know all my god nobody speaks for the movement but then you're not going to hear
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a message out and what i want them to remember is they're supposed to be representing ninety nine percent of us they're not just representing the people that happen to be at a general assembly in oakland or new york or whatever it might be you need to have some spokespeople that you roughly agreed to so they can actually take that message to the media and say this is what we're fighting for including protecting american democracy doesn't get any more patriotic than that and is as we know in congressional elections ninety three percent of the time a guy with more money when so many is deciding our elections and not bodes well somebody's got to fight back against that it should be occupy so i hope that they crystallize their message better on the media right thank you for host of the young turks you can watch that weekdays from three to five eastern on line and also nightly on current t.v. at seven the young turks also kicking off a new show called the point on town square so keep your eyes out thanks again jack thank you. let's talk now about one of the world's best known media mogul moguls
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rupert murdoch the owner of fox news channel the wall street journal and so much more well he was recently admonished across the pond in britain after his news of the world shut down after a phone hacking scandal and many more company wide practices deemed outrageous here's a recent decision read aloud by a british parliament before news corp carried out an extensive coverage of its run its bill breaking its most senior executives repeatedly misled parliament and the two mill of the top rupert and james murdoch who were in charge of the company looks no answer for that in the view of the majority of committee members rupert murdoch is not fit to run an international company like b. sky b. now read a whole lot of people have opinions about rupert murdoch and about fox news but love him or hate him we want to talk about this is certain that he's unfit to run a company the fox news model arguably one of the most successful in this country
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right now i'm not saying the best but the most successful exclamation point take a look at this this is cable profits from two thousand and two thousand and ten as you can see fox news channel made about eight hundred sixteen million dollars back in two thousand and ten an online estimate say a billion dollars the following year now the next closest network is c.n.n. you see about five hundred sixty million that's combined though which with h.l. and then next to it of course a lot smaller profits m s n b c with one hundred seventy two million dollars in revenue and i did speak about this a short time ago with georgetown journalism professor chris chambers and asked him about this claim that rupert murdoch was unfit to run a business. well you look at the profits and the operations across the pond across the atlantic and you know the merged into this hacking scandal you know he was using they uncovered this reams of evidence showing that you know news of the world a lot of the other media properties he owns over there were doing you know you know
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everything from shady to out not illegal things to get that advantage so i mean you know there's a history here of using short cuts both kind of you know little little tiny moral shortcuts to major crimes to build the same pyar and really what has happened is that the equivalent of our you know house judiciary committee has basically given him stockholders something to think about with this decision so you know this isn't anything new for him you know he'll weather the storm because like all you know because illian areas they will but you know it's something to think about over in this side of the atlantic as well you know especially our f.c.c. needs to start thinking about it now we put up on the screen some of the profits that fox made again again they're said to have made a billion dollars but i want to also show the ratings because that's important too . we have this is just april cable his ratings of fox news their top thirteen
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programs are on fox news fan and imus and base there of course battling for that number two spot but april was one of c.n.n.'s lowest rated months in total viewers since august of two thousand and one it's crazy to see those kind of numbers. even though studies have shown that people who you know avidly watch fox news are less informed than people who watch no news at all you know the question is what is a successful news model well this isn't a news model that's what that's what the that's it i mean this isn't a news model this is infotainment content delivery model and i know that sounds like gobbledygook but that's really what it is i mean we have to take the news angle out of this being this is this is. news in that is that is crafted into political message is crafted in a marketing message that is crafted into psychological sort of you know commercials
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kind of thing i mean you know roger ailes started off as a regular t.v. producer so he knows how to reach the reptilian brain that that stuff that advertisers like to go after and he's got a nice of people i mean you know nice doesn't necessarily mean tiny can mean a big trench of people who feel that the mainstream media has abandoned them as a band in their values you know whatever those values might be some of them legitimate some of them just kind of stupid well this must be really difficult for you because you deal with the future journalists of america georgetown university the people that you teach say you have a choice you have a choice to teach the fox news model in which some would say you'd be teaching people how to be immoral millionaires or you can teach them how to be you know unemployed well intelligent well it depends i mean you have to also understand i mean their news product during the day you know while i might not agree with with their editorial choices and stories and the scope is actually a pretty decent news product it's when you start shooting into the evening and
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that's where you have the problems and that's also where they have the highest exactly and that basically what you what he has given a group of people in this country is basically right wing soap opera and that gives you know that they're eating right up and you know it's. so that masks what you know some of the things in the past has been happening with with with news corp with fox in general with their licensees and you know even now i mean this is now fodder for the f.c.c. to perhaps look at some of the broadcast licenses that he holds let me ask you i mean when you're teaching is there a model that you hold up to tell your students you know n.p.r. you tell them and b c sixty minutes i mean what do you hold up as sort of a higher journalist well if it crosses into into fox properties really it's just basically doing your homework and doing it you know whether you're giving an opinion or just giving the news doing it with authority just doing it with the nuff
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information that you can give people what they need to really propel themselves forward either just that day or intellectually for the rest of their lives it's really not that complicated what do you think the chances are. arguably again and i successful media model in this country we see how great britain feels about that about rupert murdoch right now but even the chances are of eventually fox news going across the pond going to france going to britain going to russia going to china well this is this is pretty much this is not good in terms of expansion he doesn't really need to he's got roger ailes he's got his newspaper properties he's got he's got it set here he's got a very friendly forum in the republican party they're not the tories in england they really do owe a lot of their success to him and a lot of them are rethinking that so susie probably but he's got a friendly forum here why kill a good thing by trying to stretch it out oh well chris we know how those billionaires get you just.

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