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and it turns out to be accidental data mining the gold it wasn't so i think gentle after all but will they be held accountable. wealthy british style. sometimes by.
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all right it's time for show and tell in tonight's program now on may day we discussed the history of international workers day with us celebrating the minutes of the labor movement nowadays labor unions in the u.s. are suffering from a very low membership so we want to know why you think that is let's go to producer patrice and sez he to find out what you had to say i'm of the streets of d.c. to tell people the nation's capital what our viewers had to say on twitter facebook and you tube and see which comments we should keep or delete. why do you think that membership is at an all time low i'm going to read your response from frederick he told us it's because the people who run the unions have lost touch with the needs of workers if you want to keep it or delete it. and it's not right i don't believe that. the use corporations don't want you know so is not a battle really would. regular people want is what the corporations want to big
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business want less and less important because you won't be loose a little bit the idea of being liberal really connected with the real society and the real problems of the society do you have a quick second was when you're going to read your response from don he said union membership is down because unions were not able to protect u.s. workers from losing their jobs to china so why would anyone want to join now do you want to keep that or to leave it i think is to say when unions fit into the current climate i think. the. unions will struggle to. get people to join brand on twitter said in today's business environment a large percentage of people are hired as independent contractors or freelance workers to avoid benefits basically the unions are finished do you want to keep that now i don't think so. i think there's not as many people getting in use today . because i there are
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a lot of years of health and welfare health and welfare engine. trouble so the guys aren't getting their raises on their checks three to one many people think that unions are just another big corporation out for themselves and given these hard economic times many people don't think unions can do anything to help. thank you for your responses and here's our next question for you earlier in the show we spoke about the atheist movement today is the national day of reason so do you think the power of atheists to influence public policy and the public debate will ever be able to rival the religious right let us know you think on facebook twitter and you tube and who knows your response just might make it on air. now there have been a lot of new revelations this week over google's wife i data collection through its review program few weeks ago f.c.c. released a heavily redacted report concluding that google could not be held liable for
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wiretapping slapping them with a measly twenty five thousand dollars fine then last week it google released a under doctored version of this report to the l.a. times which is where it came out that an engineer by the name of maurice milner had in fact crafted this review software software to collect so-called payload data payload that includes telephone numbers u r l's passwords e-mails text messages medical records video and audio files sent over open why fi networks it also turns out that miller had told several colleagues including a senior manager about the capabilities and that was way back in two thousand and seven in two thousand and eight so that contradicts the long held claim by google of the data collection had been an accident now aside from asking whether this means that new investigations should be launched why didn't the public initially get to see the full report ahead of this gusev with me is christopher savoie in privacy expert at the center for applied cybersecurity research chris thanks so much for joining us tonight. can you can you clear it up for me and terms of why
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exactly it is that the report wasn't initially released without all of these black chunks blocked out and you know you wrote a piece about this saying that the f.c.c. deserves to be grilled by congress because they're the ones that released this report but now they're claiming from their spokespeople that was because google didn't want them to put this stuff in because of a sensitive information for their business and so google the f.c.c. you know please keep these details on the rocks the f.c.c. had to google in the first place to provide it with information and google had sort of said we'll give you the details but you know keeping to yourself what the f.c.c. could have done is waited till they had googled for mission to release the report and then released everything at once instead they sort of release the report into to what's first a heavily redacted report you get a huge amount of press focusing on the. the sort of twenty five thousand dollar fine and the fact that google's engineer pled the fifth and then you know much much less press afterwards once the full context of it was revealed like they are for as
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revealed by google right you know release the full report this weekend and then the f.c.c. posted also the full hour on its website only one day this allows if the f.c.c. to say well look you know we eventually close to the full report but clearly you know the goal here was to have the press focus on these sort of silly details rather than focusing on the fact that google had been lying to us for several years of now yeah everyone's over it's over though in that sense you know who is really who is really the bad guys at google or is it the f.c.c. in terms of wanting to keep this information i guess you could say away from the public entirely i mean google has been lying to the public for several years and not only to the public but to regulators in several countries one of the reason why regulators and many other countries wrapped up their investigations as quickly as they did is because google assured them one that it was a mistake and two that it hadn't used any of the data and it turns out they haven't used the data but the mistake part is seeming a little bit fishy now so those folks are really upset and i think the f.c.c. needs to be sort of held to account they are one of our privacy regulators for
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particularly for things that involve some of the airwaves the telephone companies and anything that's being transmitted or received the f.c.c. is the lead enforcer on the beat and if they are not putting the consumers' interests first then you know we're sort of hosed so do you think that they just went easy on google or are there some type of legal constraints where they can't necessarily held them criminally criminally liable and so they just decided that well that is going to mean it's i think it's important to note that the twenty five thousand dollars fine is not a fine for the wife i see nothing more for the data collection the fine is because google stalled during the investigation and wouldn't give them documents wouldn't you know provide engineers to the investigators and the f.c.c. basically said we don't have the authority to go after google for the actual wife i think devotees i think that's problematic if. the f.c.c. doesn't have the authority then someone needs to be given we're going to have to say it is now that authority then who does because the f.c.c. has done investigation the f.t.c. that investigation the department of justice did an investigation and they all came to the same conclusion so i mean somebody out there's got to be able to actually
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hold google accountable well so i work for the f.c.c. for a year there enforcement power is very limited it's and it's based on the suction and unfairness and so google didn't lie on its website about the wife i collection because it wasn't telling anyone that was doing the wife i collection and because google didn't use any of the data there's no risk of identity theft so the f.t.c. couldn't really do anything i think d.o.j. is by far the best agency but d.o.j. is also the agency that's like looking through over personal files with the assistance of the telcos i don't think the o.j. is really going to want don't want to set a precedent saying no you can't look through this information so really you know we have one agency that's supposed to be protecting us that is in fact violating our privacy and then another one that's asleep on the job and a third one without any authority and we're really you know out of good options about risk ruta you know you don't make it sound all that good but is there at least some hope you know because of course we saw a lot of outrage about this in europe right you mentioned a lot of the and i know that britain now and germany as well as one other country out there they've even come out and said that maybe they will reopen their
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investigations now this full f.c.c. report has come out now that they knew that this engineer had created this software and had told other people about it the company is so you know if they do it could there be enough public pressure or how do you see that playing out so the british privacy authorities are not the best out there they're probably in fact the worst in europe however things have changed in the u.k. particularly with regard to the murdoch hacking scandal in which also a company sort of covered up its crimes there is now sort of a there's a desire on the part of politicians to go after companies that live in companies that violate people's privacy so we may see sort of politically motivated a reopening of the investigation the u.k. whereas in germany the authorities really do take privacy seriously and i think they're really pissed off that they've been lied to and are probably going to throw the book at google. and whereas here we have lawmakers that are trying to pass bills like this just make our privacy something that was a relic of the past right and shredded into a million little pieces but let me ask you one more thing too because we talk about
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this earlier this week right on the heels of last weekend's big parties and celebrations here in washington d.c. the white house correspondents' dinner google hosted a party eric schmidt was all over the place you do think that any of this has to do with a closer and more cozy relationship that google now has with washington and google is now spending more money on lobbyists than verizon traditionally the telco companies have been one of the bigger players in town and google realizes that you know if they're going to be in the business of violating people's privacy if they want to be protected from the consequences of that they're going to spend some money and they've started to actually spend that money they have a former member of congress as their head of the d.c. office you know they're learning to play the washington ball game so i think that's right no but that's that's how business works or well yeah they're definitely they're definitely getting into the game aren't crystal thank you so much for joining us tonight and i guess will well wait and see if maybe congress says somebody should launch a new investigation or something or google is just going to get off the hook thanks . part of that one more break that i liking something on facebook might actually
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this week you may have noticed facebook post about a peculiar decision by a federal judge in virginia and if you chose to like these posts well there might be legal consequences and for those of you that are confused you see this week a federal judge decided that liking something on facebook is not constitutionally protected free speech this is a came from a case initiated by six former employees of hampton virginia share of the chair roberts now the former employees claim the after roberts found out that they liked one of his political opponents on facebook they were fired after his two thousand
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and nine reelection and the plaintiffs argued that the move by late in their first amendment rights but judge jackson has have different ideas he ruled that the sheriff's knowledge of the posts only becomes relevant if the court finds the activity of liking a facebook page to be constitutionally protected and is the court's conclusion the merely liking a facebook page is insufficient to merit a constitutional protection in cases where courts have found that constitutional speech protections extended to facebook posts actual statements existed within the record. what is the question we should be asking now the point is that even if it's only done sarcastically isn't the very essence of a facebook like the expression of an opinion well it's probably not the last time they're going to hear a case about whether or not if facebook like or tweet is retreat is protected by the constitution this specific ruling might even go to an appeals court and even though technology is always a few steps ahead of the federal law they've already been some other rulings reliance have been drawn so can your boss fire you for retreating that shows that
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meant posting a ranching making knowledge video or criticizing your managers on facebook well it depends so today we're going to do you really give you a little pop quiz to look at the different scenarios in our first scenario kills with the big kahuna at the commander in chief can you be fired for criticizing the president of the united states now it should be your right as an american should it well you can actually get fired if you're an active member of the military recently we saw sergeant gary stein get a less than honorable discharge for making some pretty strong comments about president obama take a look. called. president obama a domestic enemy we have that up there as an active duty marine i say that word obama and they say that the post pacifically violated the uniform code of military justice article one thirty four which basically says you neglect the prejudice of
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good order and discipline in the armed forces i couldn't use better words and i agree with that but the same point the principle behind it that's my personal opinion as gary stein and it's my every right to say that. now it's sad to see any sort of free expression suppressed but military rules are unique so soldiers might want to err on the side of caution before getting all political on facebook especially considering how the military reveres discipline but now it's move on to the next question rules surrounding private sector workers there's a common perception the anything you say on social media could get you in hot water with your boss but can you legally criticize your boss or your company on facebook when some cases yes you have the right to discuss your wages and working conditions even on social media take a look at this. but until now it was unclear how far a worker could go when criticizing an employer online before it could mean discipline or a lost job now there's a clear road map for rulings from the national labor relations board outlining what
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is protected speech when it comes to social media and experts say it applies to all private companies employees want to talk about i don't think i'm getting paid for my benefits are very good or i've got a really mean manager that treats people you know unfairly those types of things are protected. now of course there are restrictions on where the posting occurs and what sort of language you use in other words workers can legally be fired for dropping facebook f. bombs on their bosses wall the clock so now it's time for final question the rules governing public sector employees are slightly different people might expect that public servants like firefighters teachers federal workers to keep a tight lid on what they share on the internet especially when dealing with edgy or controversial material but as a public sector employee can you be fired for posting something edgy when not it's posted outside of office hours in a personal capacity two thousand and six and supreme court ruled five before the government employers can control what their employees say but only when it comes to
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quote official speech so there you have it as a work of law actually does protect your social media speech to some degree sometimes as long as it's off the clock and so is the operative word here considering this newest ruling so if you want to save yourself the bother of having to fight your boss in court on this i say that you just might want to be careful especially if you know they are posting something your superiors probably won't like. i define for a happy hour joining me this evening r.t. correspondent christine for south and medicine money roll calls her on the hill reporter hello ladies oh i think you are joining me. let's go back so obviously a lot in a lot of talk about him this week with the one year anniversary since he's been
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killed the president went to afghanistan with a surprise visit gave a speech but he also had time to give interview to brian williams brian williams even got to go into the situation room take a look. we are one floor below ground level here in the west wing of the white house and we are about to take television news cameras inside the white house situation room for the first time in its history we're here tonight entering this room to talk about this photograph taken in this room a year ago. now brian williams again not enough actually if you ask me but some people out there that happy to do a lot of media critique like lead read while those people are giving him a lot of credit for it right because we sure audiences like that let me give you an inside look and open the door in the situation room and it's very cool but how about asking some of the tough questions as in live there have been so many different accounts right so many different stories when it comes to exactly what happened in the raid why are you fighting putting out the videos or the photos to
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the public. i mean i think that this coming on the heels of the white house correspondents' dinner weekend where there is there was groups the media elite getting together with the politicians that they cover and celebrities all that this is been on my mind all week anyway the fact that there can be in some cases a really charming relationship between right and often and i mean and i think part of it is human nature right any time you get to know somebody you it takes a pretty tough person to be harder on people that you like are like the tough questions and i think that this was actually a really interesting case where a reporter a good reporter i mean i assume he had to be good to get up i've only known him in the capacity but a good reporter got the got the interview got the access and maybe didn't use it to really push against the grain which is our job our job is to push push push push
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and ask all those questions i mean we are he was in the place of the american sometimes you know the higher up you get to having somebody like brian williams of her supposed to be one of the most trusted anchors or names out there or news especially you should be pushing hard i agree with that but i don't think it's at all shocking that he didn't i think that this also makes a really good t.v. in the same way that another n.b.c. reporter the chief foreign affairs correspondent richard engel sort of got the lead to go x. in iraq with all the troops it makes for good t.v. people want to see it a lot of people in the united states found this to be a very significant day now i don't agree with the president using osama bin laden's death as you know this political tool in the way that he has but the fact that brian williams was allowed to come in the situation room i know that my parents were glued to the television last i know a lot of people in america loves it they didn't they weren't saying to themselves well why have we gotten so many disparate stories they were saying wow i always wanted to know every part of the campaign being smart right which is the bright
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enough distractions out there like things like cool if you take a look at the situation where the. famous photo was taken and where all these decisions are made you know people tend to forget but i thought everything else it's interesting that they picked rock center to do it on and not for example the nightly news or the longer they want a longer matter most on nightly news the stories are like a minute a minute thirty as opposed to what they want to do so i guess i just don't think of it in the same kind of. it's not sixty minutes where i would expect them to really well they're trying to be. trying to. make sixty minutes in a certain respect let's move on to another obama story which is basically an x. the president's diary is going to be used in this man's book that's writing about it and so she gives us some insights into i guess what it's like dating or what it was like dating a younger obama take a look. who met at a christmas party in one nine hundred eighty three would spend
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a lot of time together according to these excerpts mostly at his place and despite that she felt some distance saying his words can be deceptive though he speaks we can be open and trusting there is also that keenness and i begin to have an inkling of some things about him that could get to me. i know i mean i do think i mean the most shocking thing to me about this is that it didn't come out four years ago but it doesn't sound like anything very juicy is going to come out it seems to me that what we're going to hear about president barack obama as a young man are things we know already that he struggles with his identity that he can be withdrawn and quiet at times that he likes to do crossword puzzle juicy details in a diary way you know i don't really get a cool evening. now but it was it was interesting to kind of get the view of a twenty two year old obama which of course we did have in his memoir the stuff but this made me feel like he was every kind of intellectual guy in college you know it
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really felt like to a certain extent. it was totally he became totally relatable in a different way perhaps and maybe that was that the fact that what they wanted but i felt like i probably did like that is you know like if they're personally i'm bored for you know reading your diary and then we actually. do our last story here which is really crazy right i mean we talk a lot about privacy discussions. on this show how certain companies don't take your privacy all that seriously facebook could be a culprit and some people say well like you know what you just got to you just got to seeing that everything you do online is going to be private. anything ever really private on the internet that's what i want to know people so you can send it to me anonymously to your credit cord anything you want to say anything once you put it on the internet is it ever really totally private in most cases no you like
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to think of everything we do online as digital tattoos. so take a look at this turns out that almost thirteen million facebook users in america don't who is or aren't even aware of facebook's privacy settings that's kind of well it is totally insane and it's crazy for someone like me who's a little older but but so many people on facebook are middle school high school age they have always lived their lives with everything status updates several times a day you know i even thought when i was in college and people would do the a.o.l. status updates away at the gym in class i thought i was crazy and now we have facebook but i think it's a different generation i think that's part of it they don't feel the need for security they feel like their entire lives and i wonder though if some of the older generation it also goes that way ray because now i have certain people like my parents friends that are friends of me on facebook and my parents think really
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don't have facebook but that i just i mean maybe some of these people don't really realize how much information is it is only you guys think that a lot of people don't aren't aware of privacy settings or don't understand well this is what he's saying right is that i mean thirty million either don't use or aren't aware they don't have an exact breakdown i just think that. it's probably just knowledge gap but i just assume that everything that's on facebook or on twitter or on you know fill in the blank is completely someone else is able to get to it whether or not i have strong privacy settings or not it's just not going to be completely safe in the internet for crying out loud and i you. know you can take and take on even just the settings you should learn about. at least to some respect if you care. our guys thanks for joining me tonight and that is it for tonight's show thanks to you and i make sure you come back tomorrow lauren lyster host of the capital account is going to back on for our weekly financial checkup but in the meantime don't forget to become a fan of below the show on facebook and follow us on twitter and if you missed any
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