no super sheen claimed more than sixteen million lives but today s.s. veterans or not as heroes in some countries how real is this threat of a new nazi revival that's the question for our north and his guests next or not. oh. how again a welcome to spotlight bit into the show on our team i'm albert novel today we're talking about world war two. the greatest tragedy in the history of mankind took over sixty million lives when the third reich finally collapsed and became evident

the past as it should always be considered and awful and horrible but sixty seventy years later we see if little enough soon flourishing in some countries where s.s. metro's or nerd like here so how can we be in seven decades and not to forget the absolute will discuss it with a russian historian who lives in the media is here in my studio and joining us from riga latvia politician. stella. sixty seven years have passed since nazis were defeated by delighted forces those responsible for a long time trusted these were trying to nuremberg. the case of the nazi ideology has never been completely alone just at least that's the impression that you get when you see pictures of that dryness of the waffen the sas at public gatherings held a million of them to state this news event in riga was attended by about fifteen hundred the disciplines and the latin president spoke in support of the procession

saying the latin waffen s.s. veterans were not criminals and deserved respect the view was not shared though by people who took to the streets of brega to protest the nazi veterans march. this by general condemnation the world is really seeing a rise in there not many believe it to be part of the reason you must use massacre in no way when and bravely seven people who were strange you did do you know received world war. how would you hello to china thank you very much for joining us here will first of all i long to ask you about the and here's brevik case that's for you he's facing trial for murdering seventy seven people in norway do you go through you've lied when you thirty others see it as a as a as part of a neo nazi threat immersion in europe or is it an isolated case of one of our our

falak. it is not an isolated case they have watched a number of cases maybe not so harmful but also based on the same logic on the logic of fair trade and there isn't player b. in parliament itself has passed tourism lucian survive concern in congress and this trend to ride to being. how to say it will tell a tarion. kind of decision making and the emergence of extreme right wing party in the congress and there isn't a. case in mésalliance of. famous wielders who is backing the government. created a new web page asking people to call and to inform on eastern

europeans behaving badly in. particular cases do you agree were europe is really facing a big threat of new and out. part of europe part of europe of course and especially south contraception in a way. to some extent unfortunately we see the race or. not so some ideology in the baltic states especially a lot i don't. understand you've been there recently well i wanted to ask you is it true that there are those people there now in the us you develop in a sense of veterans that they have government supports in latvia is that true is that a case what's the status well actually i don't know exactly if they have any financial support from the from the government but they sure have her moral support and i

bought a range of calendar os books and other things about of often assassinations both her talent and very good. in the book stores. when i asked them to give miss some maybe same propaganda material so. that led to understand it was fight and fight in the red army but they said no no the prop of the soviet propaganda is prohibited to know if you are very right propaganda spread there he even wanted to prohibit the the decorations the war decorations because they are the real stars are your thoughts you know that would you agree with vladimir that these people the vast and there says some veterans in there in your country that they have public support is that true. yes of course first of all about material support almost all all of these people have this status

of repressed politically repressed persons persons repressed by criminals to the dream since being in assist legion they have been punished after. the second world war and resist ages they receive a lot of subsidies from the state a lot of law and says vile zeus' who are in soviet army have no state support no any. law insists and. just all claims to grant those being in the hitler coalitions up some states support was. subsidies submitted by opposition in parliament have been constantly refused. in what concerns moral support knows that just disease. this year sixteen so from march

was arranged by a lot of efforts undertaken by the foreign affairs ministry of flat where all investigators situated in lead to their very invited to hear the position of the foreign ministry. yes. explanation was a little bit balance is they told these people very crude it forcibly said they are secular prizes of nasi but devised. a letter in the anti-fascist to me to have placed. a subscription to the memories of mas it is g.m. in the morning in front of the monument. of liberty and let. those who are arranged the latest march of her says. members and their supporters they made all efforts to. do all they cough they is

still going to from a monument who were a you are a historian is some people are telling us today that vile fitness says they are harmless vents that symbolize independence of light well can you tell us what was the role of this valve in this legion during the knack to keep asian of eastern europe. i need actually much time to talk. to tell the world actually the whole history of allowed between nine to thirty nine locked in on the baltic states which were nine hundred thirty nine and one thousand safe you have to use music huge me now well first of all on these so-called. how do i say that in english well and to really vulture you all want to division so far less often s.s. had never been voluntary. so they were drafted that they were drafted the

german commanders. made a decision about this. units after stalingrad when they saw i think today they need they're having problems have problems with and they need new human meat you know to push the holes on the eastern front so first they called this a wall of true legions and by they got only approximately five hundred people. you know need to be there obviously they needed dozens of thousands and after that they stopped to call it all in three and they called to often assess buffet means what german something like. not ordinary people like peoples like people like populous the difference between the regular

s.s. regiments and like any peoples people are going to say that i believe sources are clearly people's motives you know they were not called voluntary even in their fascist germany. so the people the draft. they had no choice and they had to fire and use the red army and even then they couldn't draft anybody in your because you're losing your people hide it in the force and real abuse forest brothers which appeared to live here in the first it was partisans against germans only then part of them against soviet lately so so so what you're saying is that. it wasn't it wasn't just a voluntary groups fighting against the russian presence not one true they were like regular nate c. troops still do years or. what me do you agree is

a. first of all i am not sure on this number five hundred yeah because i know that just two it keeps of chutes months of police voluntary police unions who are who are but this is abated and just not at this as it is acute as in the killing of jews when those that seventy thousand lead jews out of the number of a lot of a killed in letter and is the same the same number of people of jews who were brought here from poland lithuania. first actions in the belarusian border and a lot of belarusian villages there liquidated and a man killed by a vile women these children were brought to lead to the south spills concentration

camps and. children some of them served also. for plays and for their school acts you know and disease people the. is a big is a big. unfortunate that we cannot separate who is who who is this person who march on who is watching live but to man a man. he is guilty because you know there are no video messages to look at all vagueness is have a does appear to what the man before being critical being official a really. how to say fixed as s.s. . member consumers don't look talking to us from the gun lobby of ledyard news here in our moscow studio spotlight will be back in less than the minutes after we take a short break so stay with us don't go.

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welcome back to spotlight imo the often. after a mind of that let imagine skilled a russian historian politicians here in our studio and a latvian politician was done of joining us from riga latvia well we started talking about we talked about the often assessable about the near nazism that we're seeing that we're seeing in riga in latvia well now let's talk about the attitude of the of the government and of the society to the anti fascist movement we recently see seen clashes with police in the streets. police against the and try fashions what's the attitude towards anti-fascist how they considered to be like patriotic. you

see of course. we do not have z's direct command produced by a lead and security services by led police we recently have read what they saw in security services and just come see the. dissipated thing again a fascist movement is a threat to national security i think the same or happens in led. of course all activities of anti. moments i watched and the proof is that after we have invited to our conference to be held on sixteenth of march this year some member. from from the united states. and congressman from united states of america these people have received

a letter from an ambassador asking him asking them not to come. also the difference of is there to to visit respect to zeus who brought flowers to the liberty to mourn and meant that on the very day of sixteenth of may which. i was prohibited to insist on staying of our slogan the sacred prices of some during the second ceremony and more of our was forced out by a police officer vials the very same police did not prohibit those who organize a stewpot or where the slogan is the symbol of the system now i brought that claim to the police and have no no not yet announcer while only as a famed claim from one of the members of parliament who was marching because this very day too. alongside this legend as is just the proved to.

be investigator of law to do you have an exclusion why do european structures even the european human rights institution phones why why are the one having a sort of a blind eye when when seeing what's happening what's happening in the in the baltic group publics where we would live in their notes is well actually that's not a blind eye they see it and they realise it's a very much a good technology and they don't seem to be worried about the usual political practice of double standards so it will goober and yet it's part of europe it's part of nature you know what is thinking about the future than you can on about today that maybe these guys are no the good guys but there is we are and that's the usual practice unfortunately that they're ready to talk about. and to democracy somewhere in the northern africa or in iraq or anywhere else but they

just don't notice their twenty percent of the latin population. is leaving the normal citizens towards normal passports and so on and so forth it's like in the i don't know in the upper teeth you know you're right actually it's actually the same as to their members of the council of europe they're members of the nato and so on and so forth so this is this is politics looking a bit we should admit that rush also isn't in you to to to neo nazis tendencies we can see that for example in the behavior football fans who were well well you should have made that is that true one. unfortunately or no. more time passes after the world war two of the great patriotic war who are we.

to forget the term of the forget well the sufferance of our people forget the price that we paid for liberation of the world to only see well some miffs and some comics cartoons how it looks like and you know the hugo boss german military uniform your. looks by the way his uniform has been especially looks very fit you know and we don't think what was behind it. well i want to once again to talk about breivik we started talking about him in the beginning of the show well actually it was reported that asked to brevig so rest that he was part of a large neil will not see network covering quite a few european countries is it is this new announce the organization that broke

allegedly belong still is a poor posing some threat to european democracy to to to to the existence of a democracy it did in countries like yours what would you say. yes of course and. actually is the european parliament this itself friends of politicians in the parliaments of member states are divided just by izzy's line not so much by being left or right being gorean to the by economical approach is but just to those they were brought of all people are equal is that is the first sentence from the declaration the universal declaration of human rights or up people can be divided by some categories and unfortunately this is second to broad has more and more support support to visit in the parliaments and also busy in zero pm parliament i was elected twice in two thousand and four and two thousand and nine

and the second composition of the parliament has more extreme right wingers and we have a lot of discussions but i am afraid that left wing politicians are still not so much of the year of what is happening characteristic is the german society who has maybe more to say inside to move our abilities to go. but even xavier surprised of existence of this bridge they didn't know that these killings of particular muslims where a chain of actions of one special network network in what concerns us led to restoring in the train and. even in our countries this. movement and rising support

of. politicians by the government and government all parties. is a long lasting process and it's the tried to get a very nice i want also to mention van fake so you posed the question why there is no resistance it is in maybe russia. eastern european countries is a very very dangerous fact is this new approach in estimating in those who fight it during exist sank and world war trying to put on the same level hitler and stalin. just make a consequence of such an approach because people in russia have different different estimates of what what concerns stalingrad knows it's made a lot of good sense and then youngsters are asking so maybe gives hitler is not so

bad as well so so this new approach to to read early how to say a reconstruction of history of second world war you're trying to put on the same side stalin and hitler communism and nazism just lead to this. last think of immunity against their noses very little you are an author of the number of books concerning myths about russian will don't you think that maybe one of the reasons that we are having and we russia having problems fighting new nazis is the reluctance of modern russia to to admit the crimes of communism the crimes of stanley which just means you do think this maybe because would you be member of parliament for use what is russia so reluctant to to to to do that.

i don't think that russians are blocked and. told me to actually the crimes of. communism stalin actually were somewhere in the middle of the two different points cross different pointers that you're on a set and that hitler and stalin are the same it's not true it's. a very excellent dangerous. idea. it's actually a vitamin heater. the second point is that. and well they're both good. and it's a huge source for now in our system and from there are studies and very all the times more than between bruce actually two points i think that our history needs just. an honest point of view that's all that's all the should meet that you are talking about stalin that he committed the huge number of.

crimes still he is not future thank you thank you very much for letting me just remind the liberal guests were glad to be that inskeep here in the moscow studio and i was done not member of the european parliament joining us from riga latvia and this is for now for all of us in the spotlight will be back with more than a comment on what's going on in and outside russia until then stay on our team and take care.

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