today on our t.v. it's a bird it's a plane no it's a blimp but this one isn't dropping t. shirts and briefly with goo bombs on people at sporting events it's government sanctioned surveillance and it could be collecting information on you in the near future. and we already know what the u.s. government can know that they can monitor your phone calls but now they want all of the all access pass to your electronic communications we'll tell you how big brother is bullying internet companies and surveillance programs. you know. well the times they are

a change in michael moore's vocals give occupy wall street a big boost and now these protesters are producing an album we'll speak with an artist and music exactly who are advocating change those songs. it's tuesday may here in washington d.c. i'm liz wall and you're watching artsy. well you've seen them in the sky blips usually hovering high above advertising something at sporting events goodyear uses the method to capture your attention but what happens when blimp merges with the drone air force spy blooms have been used in iraq and afghanistan and are able to hover twenty thousand feet for up to a week at a time and they can come with all kinds of nifty devices like cameras radars even

missiles but with cutbacks in defense spending and the winding down of the wars companies are looking to bring these super blimps to the u.s. so cut this potentially be a new gadget for companies and local police forces here at home and could they soon be hovering over a backyard near you to discuss this marcy wheeler author and blogger at mt weil joins us now welcome r.c. so first want to talk about what these are. well there are big limbs and they are capable i mean i think one of the big concerns about them is they're capable of staying up in the air for five days at a time probably for less money to run than the drones that police station police stations around the country are ready buying and that means they might be more popular there and they can be outfitted just like drones can i mean they can be

outfitted with all of the high level sensors that we're seeing with drones overseas and that we probably are seeing beginning to see. operating in civilian airspace just starting this year reportedly as training. we also just today got information from the air force that they can't target you and i personally but if they incidentally collect information on you and i they don't want to get rid of that so once you add these sensors and these high level cameras on to blimps or drones that information is going to find its way into the databases whether it's true air force to f.b.i. and ultimately to the national counterterrorism center and so they will be able to use this information they just can't go out and seek information on you unless as of right now unless the secretary of defense gives them permission to now we do talk a lot about drones and how they can be used for surveillance purpose as they are

these your own bland kind of take it a step further so i think it's a matter i mean i think what we're going to see is people trading off how how long you can keep lamps up there without having to keep somebody watching them without i mean one of the things that's happening domestically with these drones is that people are buying them and they're finding out it costs too much to operate them so the limbs can bring that cost down then i think you're going to see the same kind of surveillance you know high level you're not necessarily aware of it. but you're going to see it operating locally in a way that you. otherwise but you know drones might be too expensive to run so is there a real possibility that local police forces could get ahold of these drones and if so what could they use them for. well the drones and the blimp i mean i think one of the one of the reasons why companies are even trying to sell these to local police police departments is because there's always homeland security money

available so in other words there's there's slush money out there they're the ones who have money to spend they can go and sell them as some kind of application and some of the applications make sense i mean both drones and limbs would make sense for example for e.p.a. monitoring so either from from monitoring industrial farms or for monitoring spills or for monitoring the environment that all makes sense but the blimp in particular was telling itself as one of the applications as crowd control so they are in to supporting where they're at least claiming to anticipate using these in things like monitoring protests and we did see the crackdown at the occupy wall street protests sometimes it was a very brutal crackdown you saw police in riot gear wearing pepper using pepper spray something that the police reaction seems more like

a military reaction and so could drone blends be used and circumstances like that. yeah i mean i think at this point you're talking surveillance and frankly drones and limbs that far as i know are both better you know they're more appropriate for more rural areas but they're certainly being sold for those purposes and you know who knows what a local police chief is going to feel obliged to do or feel empowered to do once they've spent all this money on a new toy that they can use i mean the other thing where we're clearly going to see this rolled out is on the borders but we're already seeing drones on the border so well so ultimately look at this mean for everyday citizens i mean things these things were used to monitor possible terrorists with these kinds of devices being used to track citizens. they were once used to track terrorists now going to be used on citizens. again rate now the way the air forces is dealing with this is

they can't go out and say here's joe terrorist i'm going to i'm going to hunt him down without high level approval but they can incidentally pick stuff up they may be flying over you know i eighty and they find your car and they find interest in your car for some reason they can get and i mean that kind of data can and i suspect will get sucked up into ultimately the national counterterrorism center which has access to all of these databases at this point and used to kind of cross-reference with other data and then again you know i don't think we know the full capability of some of the sensors they're putting on the military drones and so i don't think we know you know we know for example the drones being used in iran have the ability to monitor for nuclear energy but. what else are they use and what other kind of fancy sensors are they using and are we going to see these domestically that's i think

a really important question to start asking because it's not just visual that drones and limbs are doing it it's also other kinds of data collection how soon could we expect to see them here on u.s. soil or in our skies well i think a blimp is going to take a little longer because the air force isn't really pushing blimp development as you know as a military toy and therefore it's going to take little i mean unless unless the companies get really desperate to sell it to somebody but i mean we're already seeing drones you know the the f.c.c. sorry the f.a.a. has been has been mandated to roll out guidelines for drones in civilian air base this year the defense authorization was mandated to roll out up to six test sites so that defense. sites would have drones operating in civilian airspace so we're beginning to see that we're beginning to test this out and there really hasn't been a discussion about what appropriate protections on this data collection should be

there hasn't been really enough discussion about the safety i think i think domestic pilots have have a real good reason to be concerned here and we haven't really even i mean we just we just talked about this we don't know what the sensors are collecting so i don't think we have a really good sense of what we need what civil libertarians domestically need to be concerned about but the potential is certainly there all right very interesting mary thank you for coming on the show that was marcy wheeler author and blogger at mt weil dot net think. oh wiretapping the internet that's the f.b.i. the new mission traditionally they've been able to get a warrant to tap into telephones but today more people are communicating through the internet by e-mail skype social media and instant messaging and this poses a challenge for the f.b.i. they're finding a harder to wiretap websites calling it a going dark problem they're now taking action to change this an article on c.n.n. at reveals the f.b.i.'s push to force internet giants like google facebook and

yahoo to alter their code to ensure law enforcement can easily wiretap the sites the f.b.i. has planned would have many one thousand nine hundred four law that applies to wiretapping phones now they want to expand that power to web companies so is this another attack on your online freedoms or is it necessary to ensure national security earlier i spoke with david seaman journalist and host of the d.l. show and asked him should people be concerned about this people should be concerned i want to choose my words very carefully here. the legislation we've seen over the past few months including sis and now this request backdoor access to people's facebook activity we're talking about american citizens not people in afghanistan in a cave they aren't the one sending out friend requests and talking on facebook we're talking about you and me the government wants intimate intimate access to what we're doing online and through sis but they would notify the fourth amendment. i

guess what i want to be careful of what i say here but i do believe if jefferson and washington were alive today they would be calling for regime change this is absolutely ludicrous and i'm not some peacenik or hippie you know i'm aware that there are some people out there who want to cause the united states of america harm and i'm all for spying on those people read and listen to every single word they say and go get them you know turn their little neck of the woods into a parking lot for all i care so i'm not opposed to spying on our enemies i'm opposed to spying on. hundreds of thousands perhaps even millions of americans who have committed no crime and are just trying to use the internet to communicate now traditionally day of the f.b.i. they have had the ability to wire tap phones but now more people are communicating other ways does it make sense that they would be able to wiretap these newer forms of communication. it absolutely makes sense that they would want to update some of this language because as you pointed out people are not using phones predominately

anymore they use the internet to communicate and we use text messages and that sort of thing the problem here is i see all of these things now is connected and i'm not a conspiracy theorist i'm not some weirdo my background is in personal finance and financial journalism but it's hard to disregard what is happening over the past few months we had sopa which is really a career killer to push something that radical and ludicrous that could kill the career of any politician who supported it and then they turn around and they push cisco which is even worse and it's backed by these extremely powerful tech companies affiliated with the pentagon tech companies that most people don't even know about and have never heard of these are not well known companies but they have tremendous lobbying power and i think there's this this weird gray area where they're collecting this information and it's clearly not related to terrorism to investigations how many people in the u.s. are actively plotting terrorist attacks certainly not hundreds of thousands and yet

hundreds of thousands of national security letters are n.s.l.s have been issued over the past few years according to some some experts on this issue so what's going to happen when they have backdoor access to facebook and to twitter and to google plus could be tens of millions of people who could have their information compromised in a number of people within the government would have access to your most intimate communications dirty messages you send to your girlfriend health conditions that you search for on google to find out about things like that but what if they need a warrant david in order to to get this information or are to spy on people. under cisco they would not need a warrant if passes that already passed the house now it's headed to a senate and obama's administration is threaten to veto it but they did the same thing with the n.d.a. and then he went ahead and signed it anyway. if that becomes law then it changes the game then the f.b.i. has backdoor access and they can go in without a warrant as it stands you know if they want to monitor somebody's facebook activity and they have a legitimate warrant i'm all for that i'm aware that there is crime out there there

are bad guys and we should keep an eye on them but i'm opposed to spying on millions of americans and i feel like the government is already doing these things and is now looking for the legal justification to basically cover themselves why do i think they're doing these things because they're building a two billion dollars data center and wired magazine has reported on this you guys have reported on it two billion dollars data center in the utah desert to analyze log and go through our communications you and me american citizens not people in afghanistan so it sounds like you're worried that at the at the granted that's power there is this capacity to abuse that. absolutely worried the problem i mean governments throughout history have always tried to collect more and more power that's really just the nature of things and you even accept a certain level of corruption right because that's what governments do is they gain more power and more resources over time the problem is for the first time in human history we actually have technology at

a level and this is just over the past few years we have technology at a level where it's cheap enough and easy enough for governments to actually monitor and analyze everything we do online and offline with close close cameras it's really weird it's like we're now in this state where and former n.s.a. officials have said this we're like this close to being in a totalitarian state we have the technology they're passing the legislation to make it possible and the thing that scares me most is that when you turn on most news networks you turn on c.n.n. or m.s.m. b.c. they don't talk about this just the other day the co-founder of read it was on c.n.n. and he mentioned he said he doesn't plan to invest in facebook because of their pros policy and the anchor was just like a deer in headlights right she didn't want to address it none of the other people on the panel wanted to address it and so they just move on and it's the same thing when ron paul is talking in there covering one of his campaign speeches he talks about cispa he talks about and he talks about warrantless wiretapping of american

citizens and then they just cut away and they're like that was ron paul everyone and they don't actually put these things into context and these are huge issues so that's what scares me i know something's going on because it's not being covered in the news well we hear it i have spent a good amount of time covering. some of these these issues david that this plan would require big company it's google and facebook for facebook for example to alter their code so the f.b.i. can wiretap their sites do you think the big companies will be on board with us. i think they will i wish that the c.e.o.'s and executives of these companies were patriotic but i think at the end of the day they just care about the bottom line and particularly with cispa and with this backdoor access also if the government says to them look you're safe give us this information and you get litigation unity nobody can come after you we're not going to come after you we're not going to overregulate you or drive you out of business these companies just go along with it they don't care about you and me they don't care about our privacy they care about

their shareholders. and those david seaman journalist and host of the d.l. show. well it's music with a message we're seeing the warm weather reviving the occupy movement and what better way to inspire people to take action than through music a group called music for occupy is releasing their album today here it is it's called occupy this album it's a compilation of music by four and inspired by the occupy wall street movement and the ninety nine percent they're calling the new genre of protest music and it's a compilation of artists you won't hear on the mainstream waves one of the bigger names on the album michael moore take a listen to his song it's untitled the times they are a change it. is. beyond. me.

so now he's making movies and music profits will go toward the occupy wall street movement so it's more about bringing social consciousness into music we were joined a little while ago by jason samel he's the executive producer and founder of music for occupy and map last musician for music for occupy. yeah the type of music i mean it's all encompassing as you know that is that we wanted to make sure that the album was very reflective of what we actually experienced in zuccotti park which is you know when you're in zuccotti park you're you have so many different people the granny peace brigade with you know older women that are that are knitting people sweaters and things like that next and then you have next to them a cd jews sitting there and talking to a muslim and then the next you know you walk down the hall and you have this

rastafari guy talking to a young sixteen year old with the protest sign so that it's we want to make sure that the album is very very reflective of what we saw as you got the part of every as many genres as possible reggae punk folk having metal hardcore music. music one thing that is very important to us is to reach out to the baby boomers and to get back in their heads again so we have you know music from like jackson browne across the nash and joan baez and and hopefully that will work for that and we have hip hop in all sorts of great stuff that there's something in there for everyone that's why we want to make sure that happened well it sounds like you do have quite an eclectic mix going on there and one of the artists that are feature on this album is the ghetto my sitting right next to you matt what is the name of your song on the album. my song is called something's got to give. right and i think we have a clip of that we want to play it for our audience now. that

. all right matt tell us about the message you're trying to say that and and your songs i think the message is pretty universal i mean it's just i would assume that most people want for themselves and everyone around them. just pretty much equality in peace and despair and this. is really not a message that like i said that's a right i mean it was really what i was feeling when i was in zuccotti park coming from what was going on around me and i think i just. tapped into that i guess you know and what made you want to become a part of this. basically my whole philosophy of life is you know i mean if your

friend is down pick them up you know me i think that's really what a lot of occupy wall street has to do with is really helping out your fellow man you know regardless of how you feel you need to go about doing it i think everyone's basic goal is the same now this is a question maybe this question is for jason music a lot of times it can be used to inspire people to motivate people what do you hope to accomplish that this album. was so many things i hope to hope to gain first of all. truth in music and i hope to gain a louder voice than occupy wall street or or most americans even feel that they have now you know the people who feel that they don't have a voice anymore listen to part years ago on the radio nothing on the radio that i hear talks about real issues things that are affecting all americans so what i hope is that that music comes across to all americans as it always happens. because

there's been such a huge part recall church that music comes across to all americans and everybody really in the world gets into their souls and motivates people who might not have been motivated before to occupy or stand up and saying or and say what they feel if they're frustrated with something to get it walk out the door and tell people instead of just sitting on their butts and you know complaining about what's going on and then of course you know we hope certainly hope to fuel some some funding into the movement and really just create a general sense of protest music out there that it exists again movement music as i like to call it. that you know it's music that people can identify with and if people can identify with a certain type of music i think that just really motivates them and i heard you describe this as protest music do you think that this is kind of a growing or

a budding. met with music today with without a doubt i mean you know i started to think about protest music or i said i called movement music. right around john fifteen when when the when the gyptian revolution started and i'd written a song is called the revolution it was out on you tube got a ton of hits and you know it made me think wow it who else is going in and going and writing music like this i haven't i don't hear it on the radio i don't know it of the music that i listen to so let me go look in that went on to youtube and started finding more and more and more music that's being written for revolutions across the world and and socially conscious music and you know since since we started doing this album you know people have been motivated when we announced the people you know please send us in music. we could take a look at it for use in the album we got hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of submissions and i think it's motivated so many people to start writing real truth in music again we still today even though the op was finished we still get every

single day and are from five to ten submissions easily so it is it's motivating people to write truth in music again we're really really stoked for it we really want movement music to to really take off as a new genre of music hopefully crushing pop music because we just got to put the truth back in the music now understand part of the proceeds go toward the occupy movement how much of it well go on tour and exactly. what exactly one hundred percent one hundred percent of proceeds are going directly towards the occupy movement above board of course past you know past production costs which are actually very minimal because up until the actual cd was manufactured and then distributed there was nobody that took money for any part of making this album it usually costs to do ninety nine artists on an album hundreds of thousands of dollars and not one dime was spent on making this album so not all not not many

artists are getting paid for that. none of you know all artists have one hundred percent donated their donated their tracks to us all royalty free and yes so you know anything anything above board everything above board is going directly to the movement so mad money was not a motivation when you're writing the lyrics to that song bad. news all happening like i was just kind of play my songs a step in the park you know i have a lot of songs that people could consider protest music i guess i feel. they have four songs that have that are regarded as such we actually would call more of maybe social commentary music but you can call what you want so i was kind of part playing those songs and people seem to really gravitate toward him so. there's really no plan of how this all came about just going to happen jason said he enjoyed my song and went from there very days and i'm so you say one hundred per cent of that profit will go toward the occupy wall street movement how about money

be distributed where exactly where will it go. money will be distributed people will apply you know basically apply for grants. you know there's many different projects out there that occupy thinks of as you know gets the wheels turning in different working groups or you know trying to put together but a lot of them don't come to fruition so those projects that are really well thought out really well thought really well planned you have the resources in order to do it. those projects people apply to us we're going to vet the projects we're going to investigate the projects. and you know first of all we really want them to revolve around arts culture and music in order to spread the message of occupy but if we feel that it's a viable project and it needs funding and all projects need funding right now has very little money left in the movement we're going to give money to that project to make it happen all right and who will decide how this money is distributed that the

movement has prided itself on being collective and leader last but presumably someone is going to have to take charge and decide where the money will. show music for occupy were nonprofit organization well we're we act as a nonprofit organization sponsored by the alliance for global justice so the music for occupy specifically we'll be making the final decisions on it although we do have some plans to actually post the the the the things that people apply for online and in crowd source what people think of each particular project so if one project gets you know if thousand negatives in five causes well we might start swaying towards not funding that project and go review all the comments and try to find out maybe why people are against that project to find the best projects that everybody is going to be happy with how much does this album cost and where can people get

a hold of it. sure there will put their lives every second w w w four spelled out f o r occupy dot org you can find a lot of information there you can go to your c h. now dot com and you can buy for nine dollars and ninety nine cents just for just that for nine dollars and i don't sense or you can go to amazon dot com and also purchase there if you like right well thank you to the both of you for coming on the show today that was jason samel he's the executive producer and founder of music for occupy and that plast musician for music for occupy thanks so much for having this piece. well the alona show is coming up in just a half an hour let's check in with alona to see what's in on today's agenda what can we look forward to hey liz well first of all we're talking about this latest warded terror plot in yemen and the debate that's going on right now over secrecy versus transparency and just how much information should be given to the media just

how much information should be given to the public and what officials choose to leak and then going to be joining us to talk about oil speculation and just how much that actually affects the price that you pay at the pump which believe it or not is a lot could be up to fourteen extra dollars that you're paying every single time that you fill out and so he is going to break down some of the specific lobbyists that are working really hard to make sure that congress doesn't pass any regulations to concrete to control that and a lot of people like to point their finger at the president but i have a feeling there's a lot more to it on a show that's coming up in just a half hour thanks a lot and that's going to do it now for the news for more of the stories we covered you can head on over to our you tube channel that's youtube dot com slash r t america you can also check out our website it's r t dot com slash usa and you can also follow me on twitter at liz wall the ilana show is coming up with in just a half hour will be right back here.