news team for the moment you dish up about about my colleagues should be heroes and he continues in half an hour from now in the meantime during the song's return to the small screen here on all t with the latest edition of his interview program with a focus on the arab spring this time around. i'm julian assange. editor of wiki leaks expose the world secrets these documents belong the united states government been attacked by the powerful united states strongly condemned. illegally shoot to kill five hundred days now i've been detained without charge but that hasn't stopped us . today on the quest for revolutionary ideas that can change the

world tomorrow or. the arab spring the enactment of a dream or use it and impossible fantasy this week i cut through the spin and speak directly to two leading revolutionaries from cairo i speak to writer and activist. imprisoned and now banned from travel he has become the icon of a revolution betrayed joining me under house arrest is now. the director of the brain center for human rights and one of the most important figures in the bahraini uprising i want to ask him about the revolutions across the middle east and they've been successful crushed captured concealed and what motivates them to continue to put their lives on the line. you see me we have here. a. get sick when we were worried about you. yeah yeah he is he's out now but not for long.

and none of us are out for long maybe not. so what happened in the past couple of weeks when we called you to try and get you over here i mean you're in jail for a while i mean i was i was just detained for almost half of the and did not before that month i was beaten up in this city few months ago i was kidnapped from my home by masked security. and taken to know in a place of blindfolded and handcuffed and i was told just then was thrown back home and when i said in my twitter account that i'm going to meet julian assange and i'm going to speak to me t.v. program last night my house was surrounded by almost one hundred policemen and. machine guns and i did realize that i was not at home didn't they just. ask my

family to tell me to come to the public prosecutor today at four o'clock where i am here so you will hear that i received when i was last night and i think i went but i mean what is what are you going to do if i'm going to go back i mean i have to face i mean it's not the furthest but this is the struggle this is the freedom this is democracy that we are fighting for has a cost and that we have to pay the cost and the cost might be very expensive as we have a high cost in bahrain and i'm willing to pay that for the changes that we are fighting for. and. where you at legally are you are you in the clear no. no. i am still pending prosecution the case is under investigation i am sometimes. accused of.

of public property namely military bases. stealing military weapon. inciting illegal assembly for the purposes of terrorism. so yes i'm basically accused of beating the hell out of a couple of platoons to that weapons and killing where you are alleged to be a very naughty boy. and a super many people been doing stuff that would be impossible for. confronting the p.c.'s on my own and so on i have witnesses that the prosecution witnesses have testified to me being in two places at the same time yet i'm still being investigated so i'm obviously capable of you know many superpowers but which is pretty awesome. i had a good reputation and street cred in prison you know people go to prison because they steal cars but i'm being accused of stealing. how do you how do you think you're. particularly interested in me i'll just the idea that they want to use

quotes as a tool against activists and as illegitimate you know it's not enough to be able to beat the hell out of them and some have to be able to keep people in fact even when they do targeted killings like we think the killings they're targeting people who are very crucial on the ground but they're not we're known so they are stuck with this you know the famous act was what do you do about them and i think they are trying to build a legitimacy for using the courts against us and it keeps backfiring but the by doing that they mean so that's why the case is still on and that's why i'm still accused maybe they'll eventually manage to tarnish my image enough and they are working on it and. accused of would improve the views for instance and. which again you know what's the current status what's the state of play in bahrain right now i was three different status in tunisia complete review complete overthrow of the regime complete. well. you have egypt and.

then you have egypt. which is half wit evolution. not yet completed of me and desist and these are genes to exist then you have been buying if you do exist and walking and did not get achieve anything but the revolution is this did in the process. of continuing. many people who were killed in terms of percentage much more than people lost in tunisia and egypt unfortunately we had a. rule by families fifteen times. tenth of a couple of hundred years but this comes of from the worst from damage it can support from the armies they have and from knowledge of the missing from people no other knowledge to me from people but they only added things that did ruining us and we've got to change because nobody wants to talk about. what's what's the

present state of play. in egypt. will basically you know these things it was quite surprising that you know that mubarak would fall that quickly the price was high but we thought it would be much higher and so on so what's happening in egypt is that what we expected should happen like i mean we would have expected that. something. over a year. so that year that didn't happen with mubarak is happening with the military and people after the initial moment of thinking you know that the military might just decide to. retain its unity and status by not engaging and not protecting that he is actually the meat to the is the quote of the regime sort of. against. the revolutionary groups in the rain and the

people who supported these protesters it's a brave being well. too to scared. act. a fraction of that a pathetic who's left who still pushing forward while still a lot of people who have i mean i would didn't be surprised or you should not be surprised to see half of the by any population coming out and want to protest it's still happening it's not happening in any of the revolution what none of that evolution we had in the history in the past fifty years you would see fifty percent of the population out in this city didn't want to protest but you would see him buying unfortunately because of the dead by the standards of many countries because of the different standards of many. kenyans like just like i don't like european champions that they don't hire ideas but this is the reality why doesn't dizzier just you know where the positive in egypt doing positive in tunisia in fact

i just zero when i signed what i need a video should indicate a book if it does include a bit of addition or not for just don't go to serve you should musically but but when it comes to bahrain just you know what i'm talking about out of because you are not the english completely doing this for the right was a sin to do it ok the other week when there were complete silence in fact in many areas that they can decide of the government why why because they are all from the same similar ruling family and the same in the region democracy in bahrain means it's going to have an impact of it's going to have impact and so yeah which has the added we have t.v. channel so why did saudis same troops into into bahrain and that's really i mean this is something the whole world has to speak out and have to condemn to what happened but we see in the invasion of saudis to my country with complete silence now the same government sending troops to leave. to fight their g.m. and now that i gave this to syria and i said which i did have to be maybe but when

it comes to bahrain they were in complete silence. was always in trouble for that where they stated all of the shia activists she arranged spreading into saudi no because it is out of it influence should the united states and europe have. the for the interest of the united states for the interest of the many european countries for the autumn save for the difficult all year for due to mutual interest which many countries are seeing it has more priority than the human rights to all of their bodies for example disseminate united states which as good as you know for syria destiny so bahrain is that is why did the president to defend america and the president even do you mean i've gone so saying that he would not talk about bahrain decision because martin is improving itself and doing better whether people.

feel if you know what is a one man died because of yes we have daily basis people are dying it is. fueling the really forces this is what i want to go for them and saying this is what the americans did maybe try to buy that but that's not enough none of the division in the group did it i read a cable at the time of these brainy protests about eight months ago. and this us cable which we have published says that the bahraini government offices came into the u.s. embassy and they said look iran is behind these calls for human rights in bahrain and it is it is funneling money and weapons into the iranian resistance and then the u.s. ambassador writing back to washington said that he saw no evidence that that was true so they keep claiming this is one thing i mean this but he is the head and it was similar to that at least one cable that was a boat meet with one of the government agent goes down attic an embassy says that

maybe the receiving fund from the union government did the medic and. that's not true they've got nothing to support that do you think this fear mongering about iran is the is the primary reason why the west is not so imo if they want to behave in a stable if the base and go ahead and they want bahrain to be very quiet instead been using it been. losing mubarak in egypt and going to stone he's very much you know that there was a telephone call without a fight. obama and when it comes to behind this is that as thing you want to see that if you shit on bahrain a few miles from did border which means going to have impacts niggas in saudi arabia that's what this into troops about to take part in declared down and getting people detaining people and did they've taken up on that bloody crackdown with

complete silence all from the international community. they don't want democracy years cut out of which want to promote democracy in syria and other part of the war but they don't want democracy and caught up and you have to ask people you have to chip what you have to share with. the government will not accept that to happen. yes i may remember. during the heat of the egyptian revolution. the head of the mystic intelligence. was proposed by joseph biden by the state department by hillary clinton to be a sort of replacement figure for barak a compromise figure and we released many cables about him and his position in relation to israel and relations that i had states and being a sort of torture in chief bit very quickly after it was

a parrot that was not going. to succeed. you saw hillary clinton turn around and start to praise. the egyptian revolution and say that in fact the egyptian revolutions were because of two great american companies. and facebook. you must. have to be allies that. there's a battle for the narrative. in that evolution is. about ideas as much as they are about you know buddies in the streets and so on and the most improved aspect of this method of negative is to try and that is down that evaluation to being about. that doesn't mean that the don't play an important role

in that if they did it but the thing is if you. you know as a side of that evolution say this is the true evolution everybody else is not. and then you play on everything you feel in class. how much people are willing to use violence to defend themselves to isolate you know what the force is from each other and so they went off with a highly educated internet connected youth lead an important role in that if we do sion and they were very tactical reasons they were the symbols of that it would be because you needed who would love the egyptian revolution so you also had this. would still like party and without the drugs and sex but you know you had this wonderful. you know i mean and very inspiring it's a very you feel there's no aspect of you know a fantasy about it. but if you tell the story you know that's why i said what that

is the sort of the egyptian revolution as these wonderful kids good looking well connected kids being. then you ignoring the world could you including the bet is you ignoring how much we had to use violence in defense you know we would not sticking to the script that people outside of that it would think that it was going on. he was not just pushing to come american companies she was pushing and that it is that is designed to stop that evolution to make sure that it doesn't go deeper than mubarak. you wrote. this square is a legend that would fall if the families of modest start to believe in it the dream it is the alternative to the regime if we let go of it for realistic rationally committed debates that for the right order would perish leave the experts behind and listen to the poets but we are in a revolution but go of the mind and hold on to the dream but we are in

a revolution before the course and embrace of the what we. a revolution so a break them out of ideas singles stories spectacles and dreams nothing is real but their blood nothing is guaranteed but the reality. that part of the revolution in egypt. has no finish the square. is the dream finished. there is no articulation of what that dream is it's certainly not. aborting the present democracy with. your nation could go in a war. like the u.k. when without the consent of the populace with. electing the president who promised hope is almost exactly the same as anything the president who didn't happen in the u.s. . you know. the dream is.

the dream is what makes you work and this is easily and the dream is what makes. democracy that doesn't give rise to. it and occupy london and greek riots and so on. but it's still very much it's still very strong and it still lives there but it is not. it has not been articulated we don't have a cd we don't have it so that you see it. in moments when you can become political like i managed to do in that article the dream you see in the goofy t. and that's why it's been very much tied to the. into the marchers i mean we don't just see them as people who died they are immortal. and it is not in their sacrifice but it is in how we see their sacrifice and how we express their sacrifice and how we keep their memory living that we touch what the dream is but i

cannot tell you what it is exactly and it is in moments of bettors actually that i . can touch it like that when we have when we are battling the police there are always these moments of cease fires that don't last for very long i think they're usually the police are feeling the i mean ition and so on and when the police stops fighting we stop medically but indy's moments you know you find the people the food . you've got fires all over the place because you know fires you know people have been using one of those cookies or something like that so these fires become actually like one fire people are sitting around the t.v. suddenly you know street musicians come up out of the blue and you know the people are drinking tea and singing together and so there is a modern state that we are trying to reach and we don't know what it is exactly but this is why we haven't given you should and not just an orderly. and this is why it doesn't actually matter what the u.s.

government once and what he's doing and so on because it's about something that's much deeper and i don't know if we're going to win it this time and i don't know if we're going to win it in my lifetime but it's enough that i that i you know on an almost weekly basis that i get moments where i can almost touch and feel i think was in the end of two thousand and ten with as easy. wave have started tsunami and i think it's going to have it's going to change the whole region maybe in very few years stories. going to change those of the government in the region. which is going to reform themselves fast and those government too will resist changes i think the tsunami will move the middle move them from the seats those government in new united states or european governments who have good relations with their interest. long strategy interests with those dictators i think

they're going to lose a lot of those government was smart enough to have a relationship with the people rather than those that it was i think those would benefit changes i'm very optimistic that just going to happen i would region positive changes in these moments. where there is a prison or you're in a situation of being held and. beaten. when you. have to maximize elation you do it have control of your physical space you don't have control over your body someone else has your body and you are not at liberty in the most fundamental sense of the word. what do you what do you think about. how do you try to control your feelings to see you through this i think if you have a goal if you believed and just off you go. you

will come you would overcome those difficulties and you know what that change is that you are fighting for being good four hundred years is not an easy thing to change to achieve those changes you have to be willing to pay a price and might that price might be your life and i'm sure those people hitting the movement toward that type of people who are willing to bear did live to achieve those changes. prison sucks man. and it's this last i mean this is my second time to be. to go to prison. and. my fight was this time that i was facing a military prosecutor then a few so they could nice of the legitimacy of the military justice system and so i was sent eventually and we managed to win this major victory and i was sent to a proper measures. and then he still kept me in detention and so there was this

moment when i was completely collapsing completely collapsing and i really wanted to be out and the birth of my first son. and i couldn't because of that and. i collapsed and then he was born. three hours leaders my family managed to send me photos of him. and it didn't matter at that moment it just didn't matter a little and seen so it's always been. it's always been the experience of being surrounded by love. on a very personal level but also in sort of that it's you know. i've been privileged and lucky enough that when i go to prison there's a massive mess of so that it's he he would in the world and it's usually over very personal fashion and you know the support that you had only saw it when you were.

mostly through family visits so it isn't isolation that i that i wouldn't be able to handle it and it isn't being put with dangerous criminals in a really crowded cell that they wouldn't be have able to handle but if i was prevented from visits that i don't know how it be able to handle it and that's. true i have to you and your father to. tell your children to grow up to be an actress like you. didn't have to put in prison the love you don't have to do them just by default it's going to happen by example yeah i mean my son my daughter know each protest i just moved him from school because they would have asked the same school from the children of members of. the ruling family be. paying higher prices maybe higher than me because i'm doing my fight and

struggle and i'm ready for the reaction but they started the grown ups into the action for a reason they don't know why i did house being. raided at midnight father has been removed from bed and beaten in front of. their house has been tear gassed maybe more than twenty one year. diff seen things. children did you don't see their life but they have learnt a lot of much older than dead age. when the old my daughter she's nine years old and my son just become fourteen years of age i mean he used to take part with me in each and every protest since he was five years old and my daughter she never liked the humor of our politics so nothing like that but since i was

kidnapped and beaten in front of it she become an educator not. an activist and my wife also she's very quiet woman but she's an activist i think the whole family become activists almost more than a thousand members. yeah definitely and i mean i think many often become activists know the whole nation that if you should have made the whole nation activists imagine buying government stop journalists to get into the country stop the human rights organization to get into the country but most of the people young people become journalists become human rights activists become bloggers becomes internet market opportunities in fact. government of bahrain have made such a young movement which is i think we're going to benefit and the whole lot of will benefit from them and their own volution as well oh you know your son is going to grow up into the new egypt. i had just this thought that like now i need

to. bring up my son to hit. in order for him to be to avoid being killed and then i remembered i named enough to. who is a victim of police tortured he died and is there a minute i didn't alexander two years ago right through the relation but he's. a symbol for that evolution and he did nothing it was you know there was there's no way i can protect. it's there's no point in telling in raising my son. to avoid being an activist or even to be cruel to anything like that because it doesn't matter when you have the position the voice is. that it's going to affect you any way you lean just it's sort and that is going to fix you anyway you cannot get in. you know a good life for your child and this you get into you put every other child and so.

it's not in my hands i can't even do anything about it. sigrid lumber tour. was to build a new age most sophisticated robot which runs through cheaply doesn't give a darn about anything change mission to teach music creation why it should care about human to. this is why you should care only.

to be trim it benefits voters and as prime minister by russian lawmakers and will now form a new government. under inaugurated president putin is already out shooting his corrections to bush's political goals joy made a few moments for all the latest. protest in moscow continuing through the night it was several opposition leaders. fewer people are holding out on the streets. because the un envoy to syria kofi annan blames damascus for the ongoing violence a warning see raise slipping into civil war. in the meantime the syrian ambassador to the united nations says a number of regional arab powers are sponsoring terror in syria to undermine kofi annan cease fire plan i'll be back with more shortly.