more news in iran said to minutes time and right now jude and returns to aussie with the latest edition of his new program this time focusing on the arab spring. i'm julian assange. editor of wiki leaks expose the world secrets these documents belong the united states government been attacked by the powerful united states strongly condemned. illegally should shun the full five hundred days now i've been detained without charge but that hasn't stopped us . today on a quest for revolutionary ideas that can change the world tomorrow or. is the arab

spring the enactment of a dream or use it an impossible fantasy this week i cut through the spin and speak directly to two leading revolutionaries from cairo i speak to writer and activist. imprisoned and now banned from travel he has become the icon of a real lucian betrayed joining me under house arrest is now below raja the director of the brain center for human rights and one of the most important figures in the bahraini uprising i want to ask him about the revolutions across the middle east had they been successful crushed captured or concealed and what motivates them to continue to put their lives on the line. you see me as we have here. good sick man we were worried about you. yeah yeah he is he's out now but not for long.

and none of us set out for long maybe not. so what happened in the past couple of weeks when we called you to try and get you over here i mean you're in jail for what i mean yes i was i was just detained for almost half of the and did not before the month i was beaten up in this city few months ago i was kidnapped from my home by masked security. and taken to unknown a place of blindfolded and handcuffed and i was tortured then was thrown back home and when i said in my twitter account that i'm going to meet julian assange and i'm going to his. t.v. program and last night my house was surrounded by almost one hundred policemen and . machine guns and i did realize that i was not at home didn't they just. ask my family to tell me to come to the public prosecutor today at four o'clock

where i am here so you will hear how i got here and i received when i was last night and i think i went but i mean what is what are you going to do or i'm going to go back i mean i have to face it i mean it's not the first time but this is the struggle this is the freedom this is democracy that we are fighting for has a cost and that we have to pay the costs and the cost might be very expensive as we have the high costs in bahrain and i'm willing to pay that for the changes that we are fighting for. a law where you at legally are you are you in the clear no. no. i am still pending prosecution the case is under investigation i am banned from travel and i am accused of. of public property namely military bases.

stealing military u.s. . inciting illegal assembly for the purpose of terrorism. so i'm basically accused of beating the hell out of a couple of platoons that weapons and killing where you are alleged to be a very naughty boy. and a superman or people been doing stuff that would be impossible for. confronting the p.c.'s on my own and so on i have witnesses that the prosecution witnesses have testified to me being in two places at the same time yet i'm still being investigated so i'm obviously capable of you know many superpowers but which is pretty awesome. i had a good reputation and street cred in prison you know people go to prison because they steal cars but i'm being accused of stealing them. how do you how do you think you're. particularly interested in meal just the idea that they want to use cool as a tool against activists and as illegitimate do you know it's not enough to be able

to beat the hell out of them and some have to be able to keep people in fact even when they do targeted killings like we think the killings they're targeting people who are very crucial on the ground but they're not we're known so they are stuck with this you know the famous act was what do you do about them and i think they are trying to build a legitimacy for using the courts against us and it keeps backfiring but the by doing that they mean so that's why the case is still on and that's why i'm still accused maybe they'll eventually manage to tarnish my image enough and they are working on it and. i'm accused of holding prove views for instance. which again you know what's the current status what's the state of play in bahrain right now i was a different three different status in tunisia believed to have usually complete overthrow of the regime. well it's then you have egypt and.

then you have egypt which is halfway to volution. not yet completed of me and desist and these are genes to exist then you have been by if you should exist and walking and did not get achieve anything but the revolution is this did in the process. of continuing. many people in terms of percentage much more than people lost in tunisia and egypt unfortunately we had a. ruled by families dictator was. tenth of a couple of hundred years but this comes of from the worst from the american support from the armies they have and from knowledge of them as you from people not knowledge to me from people but they really added things that did ruining us and we can't change it because nobody wants to talk about. what once was the

present state of play. in egypt. who basically you know these things it was quite surprising that you know that mubarak would fall that quickly the price was high but we thought it would be much higher and so on so what's happening in egypt is that what we expected should happen like i mean we would have expected that. to something that would stretch. over a year. so that year that didn't happen with mubarak is happening with the military and people after the initial moment of thinking you know that the military might just decide to. retain its unity and status by not engaging and not protecting that he is actually the meat to the is the quote of the regime sort of. against. the revolutionary groups in brain and the people who supported these protesters it's a brave being well and all of

a true scared to act. of a friend. should all that. who's left to still be pushing forward will still a lot of people who have i mean i would be surprised or you should not be surprised to see half of the by any population coming out and want to protest it's still happening it's not happening in any of the revolution what none of that evolution we had in the history in the past fifty years you would see fifty percent of the population out in this city didn't want to protest but you would see him buying unfortunately because of the debt by the standards of many countries because of the double standard of many. candidates like. european champions that they don't hire at this but this is the reality why does an al-jazeera. positive in egypt do it positive in tunisia in fact there's just zero whereas signed for anybody who should indict a book if it does include

a bill of admission or not for just don't go to serve you should musically but but when it comes to bahrain i just you know what a quote i'm talking about i don't because you are not the english a completely doing this for the right was a sedative they may do it ok the other week when they were a complete silence in fact in many areas they've taken the side of the government why why because they're all from the same similar ruling family and the same in the region and democracy in bahrain means it's going to have an impact of qatar is going to have impact and so yeah which has the added we have t.v. channel so why did saudis same troops seem to into bahrain and that's really i mean this is something the whole world has to speak out and have to condemned what happened but we see in the invasion of saudis to my country with complete silence now the same government sending troops to leave. to fight their g.m. and now that i gave this to syria and i said which i did have to be maybe but when

it comes to bahrain they were in complete silence was always into your place where they scared. all the shia activists here in arranged spreading into saudi know because it is out of vision for what should the united states and europe have. the for the interest of the united states for the interest of the many european countries for the autumn save for the difficult all year for the mutual interest which many countries seen it has more priority than the human rights of the bahraini for example disseminate united states which ask. for syria sitting on so bahrain is that is determined by did a president to defend america the president of india human i've gone so saying that he would not talk about bahrain decision because martin is improving itself and doing better whether people. feel if you know what is a one man died because of yes we have daily basis people are dying it is.

fueling the really forces this is what i want to go but i've been saying this is what the americans did maybe try to buy that but that's not enough none of the division in the group did i read a cable at the time of these bahraini protests about eight months ago. and this us cable which we have published says that the bahraini government offices came into the u.s. embassy and they said look iran is behind these calls for human rights in bahrain and it is it is funneling money and weapons into the iranian resistance and then the u.s. ambassador writing back to washington said that he saw no evidence that that was true they keep claiming this is one team i mean this but but over the years they had never similar to that at least one cable that was a boat meet with one of the government agent goes down atika embassy says that

maybe the jobs are receiving funds from the union government in that medic and. that's it. not true they've got nothing to support that do you think this fear mongering about iran is that the primary reason why the west is not so i'm all those they want me to behave in a stable as if he base and go out and they want to be very quiet instead been using it been at your leisure losing mubarak in egypt and going to stone he's very much you know that there was a telephone call with you had a fight. with obama and when it comes to behead this is that as thing you want to see an evaluation on bahrain a few miles from did boredom which means going to have impacts niggas in saudi arabia that's why i sold you this into troops who bought in to take part and to crackdown and killing people detaining people and did did if they can but upon that bloody crackdown would be complete silence all from the international community.

would you don't want democracy years cut out of which one to promote democracy in syria and other part of the war but they don't want democracy and caught up and you have to as people have to chip what you have to share with those government will not accept that to happen. yes i may remember. during the heat of the gypsy revolution. the head of domestic intelligence. was proposed by joseph biden by the state department by hillary clinton to be a sort of replacement figure for bark a compromise figure. and we released many cables about him and his position in relation to israel and the relationship i had states and being a sort of torture in chief. very quickly after it was

apparent that was not going to succeed. you saw hillary clinton turn around and start to praise. the egyptian revolution and say that in fact the egyptian revolutions were because of two great american companies. and facebook. you must. have to be allies that. there's a battle for the narrative. in that evolution is. about ideas as much as they are about you know buddies in the streets and so on and the most improved aspect of this method of negative is to try and that is down that it would use into being about. that doesn't mean that the don't play an important role in that if they did it but the thing is if you. you

know as a side of that evolution say this is the to evolution everybody else is not. and then you play on everything you feel in class. how much people are willing to use violence to defend themselves to isolate you know what it is from each other and so they went off with highly educated internet connected youth lead an important role in that if we do and they were for the very tactical reasons they were the symbols of that if you should because you needed who would love the egyptian revolution so you also had this. would still like party and without the drugs and sex but you know you had this wonderful. you know i mean and very inspiring it's a very you feel there's no aspect of you know a fantasy about that part of. it but if you tell the story you know that's why i said what that is. and as these wonderful kids good looking well connected kids

being. then you ignoring the world could you ignoring this bet is you ignoring how much we have to use violence in defense you know we would not sticking to the script that people outside of that if we think that it was going on. hillary was not just pushing to come american companies she was pushing and that it is that is designed to stop that evolution to make sure that it doesn't go deeper than mubarak . you wrote. this square is a legend that would fall if the families of modest stop to believe it the dream it is the alternative to the regime if we let go of it for realistic rationally committed debates that for the right order would perish leave the experts behind and listen to the poets but we are in a revolution but go of the mind and hold on to the dream but we are in a revolution before the course and embrace of the. revolution so we break them out

as for ideas singles stories spectacles and dreams nothing is real but their blood nothing is guaranteed but the. dead pod of the revolution in egypt. has no finish the square. is the dream finished. there is no articulation of what that dream is it's certainly not. aborting the present of democracy with. your nation could go in a war. like the u.k. without the consent of the populace with. electing the president who promised hope is almost exactly the same as in a king the president who didn't promise hope as happened in the us. you know. the dream is. the dream is what makes you work and this is

easily and the dream is what makes. democracy that doesn't give rise to. street and occupy london and greek riots and so on. but it's still very much it's still very strong and it still lives there but it is not. it has not been articulated we don't have a cd we don't have it so the dream you see it. in moments when you can become political like i managed to do in that article the dream you see in the graffiti and that's why it's been very much tied to the. into the marchers i mean we don't just see them as people who died they are immortal. and it is not in their sacrifice but it is in how we see their sacrifice and how we express their sacrifice and how we keep their memory living that we touch what the dream is but i cannot tell you what it is exactly and it is in moments of battles actually that i

almost can't touch it like that when we have when we are battling the police there are always these moments of cease fires that don't last for very long i think they're usually the police are feeling the i mean ition and so on and when the police stops fighting we stop medically but indy's moments you know you find that people have food and food and. you've got fires all over the place because you know fires you know people have been using one of those cookies or something like that so these fires become actually like one fire people are sitting around the t.v. suddenly you know street musicians come up out of the blue and you know the people are drinking tea and singing together and so there is a modern state that we are trying to reach and we don't know what it is exactly but this is why we have it if aleutian and not just an orderly. and this is why it doesn't actually matter what the u.s. government once and what it is doing and so on because it's about something that's

much deeper and i don't know if we're going to win it this time and i don't know if we're going to win it in my lifetime but it's enough that i that i you know on an almost weekly basis that i get moments when i can almost touch it. i think we're in the end of two thousand and ten with as easy. wave have started tsunami and i think it's going to have it's going to change the whole region maybe in very few years the whole region. going to change those small of the government in the region. which is going to reform. fast and those government too would resist changes i think the tsunami would move the middle move them from their seats those go a little mint in new united states or european governments who have good relations with debt interest. long strategy interest with those dictators i think they're

going to lose a lot of those government was smart enough to have a tradition with the people rather than those that did it was i think those who would benefit changes i'm very optimistic that change just going to happen i would region positive changes in these moments. where there is a prison or you are in a situation of being held and. beaten. when you. have to maximise relations you do not have control of your physical space you don't have control over your body someone else has your body and you are not at liberty in the most fundamental sense of the word. what do you what do you think about. how do you try to control your feelings to see you through this i think if you have a goal if you believed and just off you go. you will come you would overcome those difficulties and you know that

changes that you are fighting for to being good four hundred years is not an easy thing to change to achieve those changes you have to be willing to pay a price and might that price might be your life and i'm sure those people hitting the movement toward that type of people who are willing to pay did live to achieve those changes. yeah prison sucks man. and it's this last i mean this is my second time to be. to good prison. and. my fight was the time that i was facing a military prosecutor than a few so they couldn't eyes of the legitimacy of the military justice system and so i was sent eventually and we managed to win this major victory and i was sent to a proper measures. and then he still kept me in detention and so there was this

moment when i was completely collapsing completely collapsing and i really wanted to be out and the birth of my first son. and i couldn't because of that and so. i collapsed and then he was born and three i was liters my family managed to send me photos of him. and it didn't matter at that moment it just didn't matter that it would end soon so it's always been it's always been the experience of being surrounded by love. on a very personal level but also in solidarity you know. i've been privileged and lucky enough that when i go to prison there's a massive massive sort of that if he if he would in the woods and it's usually over very personal fashion and you know the support that you had only when you were. mostly through family visits. it is an isolation that i that i wouldn't be able to

handle and it isn't being put with dangerous criminals in a very crowded cell that they wouldn't be have able to handle but if i was prevented from visits that i don't know how it be able to handle that and that's. to tell them. you. have to get your father too. well you tell your children to grow up to be an actress like you you know they didn't have to put in prison the love you don't have to do them just by default it's going to happen and with their lead by example yeah i mean my son might do it i don't know if each brought this i just moved him from school because they would have asked the same school from the president of members of. the ruling family and the out of paying high prices maybe

higher than me because i'm doing my fight and struggle and i'm ready for the reaction but they started growing up seeing the action for a reason they don't know why being good house being. raided at midnight father has been removed from bed and beaten in front of. their houses being tear gassed maybe more than twenty one year. they've seen things not of the children did you don't see their life but they have learnt a lot dead a much older than dead age. when the whole of my daughter she's nine years old and my son just become fourteen years of age i mean he used to take part with me in each and every protest since he was five years old and my daughter she never like human rights and politics so nothing like that but since i was kidnapped and beaten in front of that she become an advocate now. an activist and my wife also she's

very quiet woman but she's an activist i think the whole family become activists we have almost more than a thousand members. family and i mean i think many often become activists know the whole nation they live in you should have made the whole nation activist imagine buying government stopped journalists to get into the country. stop the human rights organization to get into the country but most of the people young people become journalists become human rights activists become bogata becomes intimate with the market opportunity so does the government of bahrain have the mid such a young movement which is i think we're going to benefit and the home of the world will benefit from them and did on the fusion that's what. your son is going to grow up in into the new egypt. i had just. like now i need to.

bring up my son to heat food. in order for him to be to avoid being killed and then i remembered i named enough to. the who is victim of the he died and he then men who died and alexandria two years ago tried to that are you sure but he's. a symbol for that if we do and he did nothing there was you know there was there's no way i can protect it's there's no point in telling in raising my son. to avoid being an activist or even to be cruel to anything like that because it doesn't matter when you have any position the voice is. that it's going to affect you anyway you know injustice that is going to affect you and you cannot get in. you know a good life for your child and this you get into you put every other child and so. it's not in my hands i can't even do anything about it.

culture is that so much about the taxpayers' money lending institution is even a lot of people are hearing every turning to the russian presidency for the third time slot a mere putin has pledged to unify the country and continue reforms to expand the economy.

the russian parliament has out to quell many concerns the appointment of me tremendous benefits a prime minister held out for when you got. under the no grated president putin is already oshie it in his direction still russia's political goals do need a few moments for all the latest. on this legend of putin returns to power and those against his presidency continue to hold rallies in the russian capital. call just in moscow continuing to the night school several opposition leaders detained the move people off on the streets. as the u.n. envoy to syria company announced plans damascus for the incoming bloodshed warning the country could plunge into civil. war in the meantime the syrian ambassador to the united nations says a number of regional arab powers are sponsoring terror in syria to undermine coffee and cease fire plan i'll be back with more shortly.