present regimes with too prominent say you're a sub the arab spring don't miss this discussion. i'm julian assange. editor of wiki leaks expose the world secrets these documents belong the united states government being attacked by the powerful united states strongly condemned. illegally should the full five hundred days now i've been detained without charge but that hasn't stopped us . today on a quest for revolutionary ideas that can change the world tomorrow. is the arab spring the enactment of a dream or use it an impossible fantasy this week i cut through the spin and speak

directly to two leading revolutionaries from cairo i speak to writer and activist. imprisoned and now banned from travel he has become the icon of a revolution betrayed joining me under house arrest is now. the director of the brain center for human rights and one of the most important figures in the bahraini uprising i want to ask him about the revolutions across the middle east and they've been successful crushed captured concealed and what motivates them to continue to put their lives on the line. you see me as we have here. a. man. yeah yeah you know but not for long. none of us. maybe you know. so what happened in the past couple of weeks when we

called you to try and get you over here i mean you're in jail for what i mean yeah i was i was just detained for almost half of the and did not before the month i was beaten up in this city few months ago i was kidnapped from my home by masked security. and taken to know in a place of blindfolded and handcuffed and i was tortured then was thrown back home and when i said in my twitter account that i'm going to meet julian assange and i'm going to his victim in a t.v. program and last night my house was surrounded by almost one hundred policemen and . machine guns and i did realize that i was not at home didn't they just. ask my family to tell me to come to the public prosecutor today at four o'clock where i am here so you will hear that i received when i was last night and i think

i went but i mean what is what are you going to do or i'm going to go back i mean i have to face it i mean it's not the first time but this is the struggle this is the freedom this is democracy that we are fighting for has a cost and that we have to pay the costs and the cost might be very expensive as we have the high costs in bahrain and i'm willing to pay that for the changes that we are fighting for. a law where you act legally are you are you in the clear no. no. i am still pending prosecution the case is under investigation i am banned from travel and i am accused of. of public property namely military bases. stealing military weapon. inciting illegal assembly for the purposes of terrorism.

so i'm basically accused of beating the hell out of a couple of platoons that weapons and killing where you are alleged to be a very naughty boy. and a superman those people been doing stuff that would be impossible for. confronting the p.c.'s on my own and so on i have witnesses that the prosecution with this is have to fight to me being in two places at the same time yet i'm still being investigated so i'm obviously capable of you know many superpowers but which is pretty awesome. i had a good reputation and street cred in prison you know people are good to prison because they steal cars but i'm being accused of stealing them. how do you how do you think you're. particularly interested in meal just the idea that they want to use cool as a tool against activists and as illegitimate do you know it's not enough to be able to beat the hell out of them and then have to be able to keep people in fact even

when they do targeted killings like we think the killings they're targeting people who are very crucial on the ground but they're not we're known so they are stuck with this you know the famous act was what do you do about them and i think they are trying to build a legitimacy for using the courts against us and it keeps backfiring but the buy thing that they mean so that's why the case is still on and that's why i'm still accused maybe they'll eventually manage to tarnish my image enough and they are working on it and. i mean accused of would improve the views for instance and. which again you know what's the current status what's the state of play in bahrain right now was it is three different status in tunisia complete review complete overthrow of the regime complete. well. you have egypt and. then you have egypt which is halfway to volution. not yet completed me and desist

and these are genes to exist then you have to behave if you do exist and walking and did not get achieve anything but the revolution is this did in the process. of continuing. many people were killed in terms of percentage much more than people lost in tunisia and egypt unfortunately we had a new. rule by families dictate a. tenth of a couple of hundred years but this comes from the word from them and it can support from god means they have and from know to tennessee from people nor the knowledge to me from people but they only added things that did ruling us and we've got to change because nobody wants to talk about. what's what's the present state of play in egypt you know you. will basically you know these things it

was quite surprising that you know that mubarak would fold that quickly the price was high but we thought it would be much higher and so on so what's happening in egypt is that what we expected should happen like i mean we would have expected that. to something that would stretch. over a year. so that year that didn't happen with mubarak is happening with the military and people after the initial moment of thinking you know the military might just decide to. retain its unity and status by not engaging and not to take protecting that he is actually the meat to the is the quote of the regime sort of. against. the revolutionary groups in bahrain and the people who supported these purchases and separate being well. too scared to act. of a friend. that

a pathetic whose left to still be pushing forward while still a lot of people who have i mean i would be surprised or you should not be surprised to see half of the by any population coming out didn't want to protest it's still happening it's not happening in any of the revolution what note of that evolution we had in the history in the past fifty years you would see fifty percent of the population out in this city didn't want to protest but you would see him buying unfortunately because of that there by the standards of many countries because of the different standards of many. candidates like just. like other european champions that they don't hire at this but this is the reality why doesn't dizzier just you know where the positive in egypt doing positive in tunisia in fact is just zero where assigned for anybody who should indict a book if it does include the bill of admission or not for just don't go to those of you should musically but but when it comes to bahrain i just you know what i'm

talking about out of because you are not the english a completely doing this was all right it was a sin to do it ok the other week when there were complete silence in fact in many areas that they can decide of the government why why because they are all from the same similar ruling family and the same in the region and democracy in bahrain means it's going to have an impact on the top is going to have impact and so yeah they have beer which has the added we have t.v. channel so why did saudis same troops into the into the brain that's the i mean this is something the whole world has to speak out and have to condemned what happened but we seen the invasion of saudis to my country with complete silence now the same government sending troops to leave. to fight their g.m. and now that i gave this to syria and i said which i did have to be maybe but when it comes to bahrain they were in complete silence was always in trouble for that

were they scared. all the shia activists are a spreading into saudi no because it is out of vision for what should the united states and europe have. the interest of the united states for the interest of the many european countries for the autumn save for the difficult all year for duty mutual interests which many countries are seeing it has more priority than the human rights of the bodies for example disseminate united states which as good as. for syria they are sitting on bahrain is that is why did a president to defend any kind of president even though you might have gone so saying that he would not talk about bahrain decision because martin is improving itself and doing better whether people. feel if you know what is a one man died because of guess we have daily basis people are dying it is. fueling there are really three forces this is what i want to go but i've been

saying this is what the americans maybe try to buy but that's not enough none of that of illusion is digit i read a cable at the time of these bahraini protests about eight months ago. and this us cable which we have published says that the parade government offices came into the u.s. embassy and they said look iran is behind these calls for human rights in bahrain and it is it is funneling money and weapons into the iranian resistance and then the u.s. ambassador there writing back to washington say that he saw no evidence that that was true so they keep claiming this is one team i mean this but they had never similar to that at least one cable that was a boat meet with one of the government agent goes down attic an embassy says that maybe a receiving fund from the union government did that medic and. that's it.

not true they've got nothing to support that do you think this fear mongering about iran is that the primary reason why the west is not so imo if they want to behave in a stable if the fee based on go ahead and they want to be very quiet and using get . losing mubarak in egypt under this don't is very much you know that there was a telephone call what they had to fight. obama and when it comes to behind this is that as thing you want to see an evaluation on bahrain a few miles from did boredom which means going to have impacts niggas in. that's what this into troops to bahrain to take part in the crackdown and getting people detaining people and did if they can. bloody crackdown with complete silence all from the international community. they don't want democracy years cut out of which want to promote democracy in syria and other the font of the war but

they don't want democracy and caught up and you have to as you know people have to chip what you have to share with. the government will not accept that to happen. yesterday remember. during the heat of the egyptian revolution. the head of domestic intelligence. was proposed by joseph biden by the state department by hillary clinton to be a sort of replacement figure for barak a compromise figure and we released many cables about him and his position in relation to israel and relations that i had states and being a sort of torture in chief but very quickly after it was apparent that was not going to succeed. you saw hillary

clinton turn around and start to praise. the egyptian revolution and say that in fact the egyptian revolutions were because of two great american companies twitter facebook and. you must. do it again we have to be allies that. there's a battle for the narrative. in that evolution is. about ideas as much as they are about you know buddies in the streets and so on and the most improved aspect of this method of negative is to try and that is down that it what you should to being about. that doesn't mean that the don't play an important role in that if they did it but the thing is if you. you know as a side of that evolution say this is the true evolution everybody else is not. and

then you play on everything you feel in class on how. how much people are willing to use violence to defend themselves to isolate you know what the force is from each other and so they went off with a highly educated internet connected youth lead an important role in that if we do sion and they were for the very tactical reasons they were the symbols of that if you should because you needed who would love the egyptian revolution so you also had this would still like party and without the drugs and sex but you know you had this wonderful. you know i mean and very inspiring it's a very you feel there's no aspect of you know a fantasy about it. but if you tell the story you know that's why it's about that is the sort of the egyptian revolution as these wonderful kids good looking well connected kids being. then you ignoring the would because you would ignoring the

bad as you ignoring how much we have to use violence in defense you know we were not thinking to the script that people outside of that it would think that it was going on. he was not just pushing to come american companies she was pushing and that it is that is designed to stop that if we do make sure that it doesn't go deeper than mubarak. you wrote. this square is a legend of the families of modest stock to believe it is a dream it is the alternative to the regime if we let go of it for realistic rationally committed debates that for the right order priorities it would perish leave the experts behind and listen to the poets but we are in a revolution but go of the mind and hold on to the dream but we are in a revolution before the course and embrace of the we. we are in a revolution so a break them out of ideas singles stories spectacles and dreams nothing is real but

their blood nothing is guaranteed but the. best part of the revolution in egypt. has no finish the square but. is the dream finished. there is no articulation of what that dream is it's certainly not. a boarding present of democracy with. your nation could go in a war. like the u.k. when without the consent of the populace with. electing the president who promised hope is almost exactly the same as in a king the president who didn't happen in the u.s. . you know. the dream is. the dream is what makes you work and this is easily and the dream is what makes.

democracy that doesn't give rise to. street and occupy london and greek riots and so on. but it's still very much it's still very strong and it still lives there but it is not. it has not been articulated we don't have a cd we don't have it so the dream you see. in moments when you can become political like i managed to do in that article the dream you see in the graffiti and that's why it's been very much tied to the. end to the marchers i mean we don't just see them as people who died they are immortal. and it is not in their sacrifice but it is in how we see their sacrifice and how we express their sacrifice and how we keep their memory living that we touch what the dream is but i cannot tell you what it is exactly and it is in moments of battles actually that i . can touch it like that when we have when we are battling the police there are

always these moments of cease fires that don't last for very long i think they're usually the police are feeling the i mean ition and so on and when the police stops fighting we stop medically but indy's moments you know you find that people have food and food and. you've got fires all over the place because you know fires you know people have been using one of those cookies or something like that so these fires become actually like one fire people are sitting around the t.v. suddenly you know street musicians come up out of the blue and you know the people are drinking tea and singing together and so there is a modern state that we are trying to reach and we don't know what it is exactly but this is why we're having it if you should and not just. an orderly. and this is why it doesn't actually matter what the u.s. government once and what he's doing and so on because it's about something that's much deeper and i don't know if we're going to win it this time and i don't know if we're going to win it in my lifetime but it's enough that i that i you know on an

almost weekly basis that i get moments when i can almost touch it. i think we're in the end of two thousand and ten with z.z. . wave have started tsunami and i think it's going to have it's going to change the whole region maybe in very few years stories. going to change those of the government in the region. going to reform themselves fast and those government too will resist changes i think the tsunami would move the middle move them from their seats do is go little men in new united states or european governments who have good relations with debt interest. long strategy interests with those dictators i think they're going to lose a lot of those government was smart enough to have a tradition with the people rather than those that did those i think those would

benefit changes i'm very optimistic that change just going to happen i would region positive changes in these moments. where there is a prison or you are in a situation of being held and. beaten. when you. have to maximize elation you do it have control of your physical space you don't have control over your body someone else has your body and you are not at liberty in the most fundamental sense of the word. what do you what do you think about. how do you try to control your feelings to see you through this i think if you have a goal if you believed and just off you go. you will come you would overcome those difficulties and you know that changes that you are fighting for to being good four hundred years is not an easy

thing to change to achieve those changes you have to be willing to pay a price and might that price might be your life and i'm sure those people in the movement toward that type of people who are willing to pay did live to achieve those changes. prison sucks man. and this is i mean this is my second time to be. to go to prison. and. my fight was this time that i was facing a military prosecutor than a few so they could nice of the legitimacy of the military justice system and so i was sent eventually and we managed to win this major victory and i was sent to a proper measures. and then he still kept me in detention and so there was this moment when i was completely collapsing completely collapsing and i really wanted to be out and at the birth of my first son. and i couldn't because of that

and. i collapsed and then he was born. three i was leaders my family managed to send me photos of him. and it didn't matter at that moment it just didn't matter that it would end soon so it's always being. it's always been the experience of being surrounded by love. on a very personal level but also in sort of that it's you know. i've been privileged and lucky enough that when i go to prison there's a massive mess of so that if he if he would in the woods and it's usually over very personal fashion did you know to support that you had only saw it when you were. mostly through family visits. is an isolation that i that i wouldn't be able to handle and it isn't being put with dangerous criminals in

a really crowded cell that they wouldn't be have able to handle but if i was prevented from visits that i don't know how i'd be able to handle it and that's. true i have to you and your father to. tell your children to grow up to be activists like you and be good enough to put in prison the love you don't have to do them just by default it's going to happen by example yeah i mean my son and my daughter know each protest i just moved him from school because they would have asked the same school from the president of members of. doodling family and the out of paying high prices may be higher than me because i'm doing my fight and struggle and i'm ready for the reaction but they started to grown up

seeing the action for reason didn't know why did house being. raided at midnight father has been removed from bed and beaten in front of their. houses being tear gassed maybe mowed down twenty one year. diff things. children did you don't see their life but they have learnt a lot of much older than dead age. when the old of my daughter she's nine years old and my son just become fourteen years of age i mean he used to take part with me in each and every protest since he was five years old and my daughter she never liked the humor of our politics so nothing like that but since i was kidnapped and beaten in front of it she become an advocate now. and activist and my wife also she's very quiet woman but she's an activist i think the whole family

become activists almost more than a thousand members. yeah definitely and i mean i think many often become activists know the whole nation they live in you should have made the whole nation activist imagine but i think government stopped journalists to get into the country to stop the human rights organization to get into the country but most of the people young people become journalists become human rights activists become bloggers becomes internet market opportunities in fact. government of bahrain have made such a young movement which is i think we're going to benefit and the whole lot of the world will benefit from them and their own volution as well. oh you know your son is going to grow up in interviews. i had just this thought that like now i need to. bring up my son to he. you know the for him to be

to avoid being killed and then i remembered i named enough to. who is a victim of police tortured he died and is there a minute i didn't alexander two years ago right through the relation but he's faeces means a symbol for that if we do and he did nothing there was you know there was there's no way i can protect. it's there's no point in telling in raising my son. to avoid being an activist or even to be crude anything like that because it doesn't matter when you have the position the voice in. the wood and. that it's going to affect you any way you gain justice is sought and that is going to fix you and you cannot get in. you know a good life for your child and this you getting to put every other child and so. it's not in my hands i can't even do anything about it.

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