if you're just joining us welcome to the program. breaking news for you it. has been lost. forty four people. in the region. for permission to lower its altitude local authorities say by now the plane would have run out of fuel a search operation is underway certainly more on this breaking news story we get it here on. our next hour we turn to syria where reports of violence continue

despite the u.n. backed peace plan historian and a political analyst. who's recently been to the country says the same powers who backed. are also the ones fueling the conflict. today we're sitting down with pierre pitching in he's a historian and political analyst specializing on the arab world he's traveled extensively to the countries that have gone through the so-called arab spring and he's also written extensively on these countries the most recent one being syria thanks very much for joining us today thank you and first question we'd like to know with we've been to syria the most laid as a country you've said a couple of times what was your goal in going to that country let's say the. syria is a country that is very much diverse in terms of ethnic and religious groups you have to be inside syria to understand what is really happening there on the ground

my goal was to get reliable information so i had to screen all the reports coming from the western news agencies magazines and other media i did some research and found out that there are actually two rival syrian human rights groups that monitor developments and supply the bulk of information to the west you know what i discovered too was that the uprising was supported by a minority of the population which differs from what the western media are saying when they quote the syrian observatory for human rights also this eerie and opposition is very much divided they do not share the same goals and they use different methods to reach their goals but actually i never question the credibility of the information that was coming from the region on my way to syria i thought i would see a country torn apart by a raging conflict a country aflame with revolution a country where it would be extremely hard to move around so i was very much surprised when i was given a reason i mean these stories that it's so difficult to get into syria are sort of

miffed you. don't buy some all right so you've talked to the opposition and various groups in the opposition can you tell us about what you discussed with them and how you would assess that. with your saying here you first feels up when there is no such thing as a single opposition in fact if there are many opposition groups and some of them are in conflict with each other. i'll try to present you with a clearer picture there are two hot beds of discontent that one in the city of hama where the muslim brotherhood led an uprising in the one nine hundred eighty s. the demonstrations that took place there were peaceful in july the syrian army surrounded the city but stopped short of occupying a security early in august the army moved into the city and establish control over it and they've been demonstrations are continuing the army and the police are present there to prevent the protesters from accessing major squares in the streets with the protesters to throw stones at the police from time to time but it's a sort of intifada within these rallies are

a very moving and exciting event but they never turn violent so the army does not have to respond although the media often say that the police opened fire on protesters and yeah it's not true at least i mean i have never seen any use of weapons then of the homes and other historical center of discontent has become the fighting ground for many armed rebel groups you know you know so i was there with the residents of homs i would call the members of the civil opposition that these were ordinary people who took up any weapon they could find and defended their neighborhoods from the army in fact they were very badly aren't as you however along with this civil uprising we have witnessed a much more dangerous one gash i'm talking about the islamist movement which is fighting in homs it's mainly represented by the foreign brigade which originally even before the revolution was a terrorist organization does operate in homs too but the rebellious city residents do not want anything to do with this also there are insurgents who call themselves

the free syrian army that it has been active on the border with turkey and lebanon mean the free syrian army has been using refugee camps in northern lebanon and turkey's have type provinces as their bases and they get to training their dollar. trained along with urban guerrillas and helped by the french army you can read about it in the french newspaper for example in. these rebels then cross the border and again raid neighboring towns and cities in syria you know who are they were desert but there are not many of them the syrian army has largely remained loyal to the government there are fighters who came from libya qatar and saudi arabia so it's not quite clear what kind of force the free syrian army years. after the armed opposition groups inside syria there are also several salafi groups who are responsible for terrorist acts and times of commit her renders atrocities they may kidnap their opponents execute them cut corpses into pieces and leave them in the

neighborhood or how do we classify this movement in syria then is it a civil war is it an uprising is it a revolution. i think it is a revolution i think we can say that it is but there are islamic groups in syria that are trying to use this situation and turn syria into an islamic republic something like a salafi caliphate in a way this is similar to what happened in libya there was a civil war between tribal clans and now a group of salafi is represented in the new government of libya so the same is happening in mali this problem has recently become a popular topic of discussion islamist groups spread throughout the sahara and got into sub-saharan african countries but there is something unhealthy about these groups acting alongside the revolutionaries ordered feel it's impossible to identify or contact them if they are truly secretive groups he says he's a little like all these twenty one you've been critical about the usage as well as the reports of the syrian observatory for human rights but in

a scenario like this it will be very difficult. to clarify very fly every single death in the country and what would the fifty deaths how would it be different to five hundred deaths. so how do we put that into context of what you said what is your criticism based on a quote in a press. interview first of all recently i don't think it's too hard to have a more or less clear idea about what's happening in syria i've been able to visit the country twice in the last six months i rented a car drove all over syria was able to go even to hama and homs i was never detained at any military checkpoints the western media choose to rely exclusively on the syrian observatory for human rights of unlike publish the results of my investigation in the africa magazine last month the been there i say that there are two such observatories and that they are both connected with the opposition and in reality these organizations are the oppositions propaganda agencies propaganda

tools i don't understand why the media choose to use them as a source says it is part of the journalist's job to think critically verify sources and be extremely cautious but if they decide to just spread the information they receive from the syrian observatory for human rights without asking any questions to let me give you a clear answer to your question i am saying that several dozens were killed in the armed conflict and even if they were journalists are talking about reprisals by the regime if the government attacks peaceful protesters we can call it reprisals but if the syrian authorities are dealing with an army based in refugee camps in lebanon and turkey financed from qatar and trained by the french army it's not repression that the regime is defending its territory from foreign aggression since the beginning of the crisis the government has always stuck to one line which is these are armed groups or they're supported by outsiders by foreigners. are they blind to what is happening in the country to the past or the possibility that this

is a real real revolution are they right are they how would you assess the government's stand. and also could you know first of all as for the government's rhetoric i don't believe this. government is blind rhetoric and reality are two different things syria's government is in denial of the fact that a revolution is taking place they are talking about some foreign conspiracy about israel and the us plotting against syria more than any my analysis of the situation is completely different and i think that starting with two thousand and one after nine eleven the us chose to cooperate closer with the syrian government and they both discovered a mutual enemy the islamic values and i think that the us is very unhappy with what is going on now. israel is also very concerned now should the syrian regime collapse the country could sink into chaos and then israel will have significant problems with where where is now despite the prevailing anti israeli rhetoric in damascus israel is in fact quite comfortable with the current regime in reality

they are getting along pretty well you know at the moment we see that the ruling regime has successfully established control over most of homs as well as over it leave in hama and is fighting the free syrian army on the borders of them or the regime is far from collapsing it's nowhere near a downfall only assad has a lot of sunny days ahead of him because many people ask me how can you say such things you're advocating the regime because you know i'm not advocating the regime i'm doing my research and i want to see what happens on the ground and i take the facts and i draw conclusions that are going to fish. assad has agreed on the peace by presented by coffee at nine but bashar al assad has made a lot of promises in the past and a lot of there he did not do you think is going to make good on his promise this time for a cease fire and this this place where. they move in the more kofi

annan plan wasn't very well timed but the more as far as the syrian government is concerned you can't really demand things from the government when it has the upper hand and is defeat on the free syrian army at the moment the government biggest problem is cool. border raids from refugee camps in turkey and lebanon so what happens is that if your well the government gets the upper hand and is defeating the free syrian army you demand comes in to stop the violence and it comes from those who helped the free syrian army conduct their training guitar and france were directly involved in helping them get new arms advanced and heavy weaponry and help the reorganize and review their strategy you cannot demand this from the government it is certainly a dictatorship but it's a legitimate government according to international law and the westphalian system and it's suppressing an armed revolt to reestablish control over its territory i understand that bashar assad said yes we should comply with the plan and will stop the violence because he wanted to buy some time you'll hear but in reality they

continue their offensive against the free syrian army and frankly speaking i find it quite consistent and logical. so how do you see the syrian conflict ending at all. unless of course there is an intervention from outside office i expect that the baathist government will be able to control the situation with military force after that i think it will conduct aggressive reforms to develop democracy this may even be a formal democracy at the initial stage i believe is going to a large degree this democracy will be formals yet civil society is awakening and making its position known and in the future you're going the government will have to make a turn towards a real democracy but how can we speak about democracy or democratic change with the new constitution approved in syria what allow bashar al assad to stay on for many more years sitting. it is a transitional period which is absolutely necessary when the you can't expect too

much straight away you saw what happened to more market duffey in libya you saw what happened in tunisia and egypt but i think the situations are similar neither the government of bashar assad nor any other government is ready to allow bloodshed i also. to the moderate opposition and there is moderate opposition in syria which is not ready to take up arms for the moderate opposition realizes you know that a transitional period of five to ten years will be necessary in order to accomplish this change peacefully without the country being engulfed in civil war yet. again here thanks very much for your time. mission free cretaceous free cruise for charges free arrangement

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thank you very welcome to the world of sports here is what's coming up. almost moscow move second in the russian premier league with one game to go despite being held to a dollar stronger at home by cuban cross no doubt. then there were two spanish gio athletic bilbao at athletico madrid prepared to go head to head in the europa league final. and remembering the full and russian footballing legends gather at moscow's victory park monument to pay their respects to those who died during the second world war. the first moscow have missed a glorious opportunity to take a giant step towards champions league football next season they've been held to a goal is draw at home by cuban cross and are in the russian premier league place in next season's champions league qualifying stages the prize for whoever finishes second away in a would have moved the army men three points above spartak moscow with only one game to go however they had to settle for a point and means the race for second place will go to the final day of the season

when for sas karroubi would secure them of the runners up spot if they slip up then spartak would need to win at lokomotiv to leapfrog their rivals. meanwhile it looks as if spotlight will have a new manager next season you know i am going to be the outgoing valencia coach saying he reached an agreement on a two year contract with the red and whites to replace former real sociedad teammate valerie karp in forty year old emily will reportedly double his salary to two point four million euros per year. meanwhile you catherine the russian cup final for the first time later on wednesday because that will be looking to lift the trophy for the first time in their history if they take on a one time when i do not moscow. meanwhile england chelsea now know they need to win the champions league in order to qualify for the competition again next season . they can no longer finish fourth in the premier league after suffering a full one defeat to liverpool just days after beating them to lift the f.a. cup the result is

a little six home win of the season. meanwhile later on wednesday a little bit of spain will descend on bucharest the remaining city is hosting the all spanish europa league final between athletic bilbao i don't let it go madrid but it actually won the competition two years ago after beating fullam in the final diego simeone a side will start a slight favorites there are beaten in seven matches and are also on the verge of qualification for next year's champions league they will have defender lewis put a available after recovering from a thigh problem the midfielder tiago is suspended while striker falcao is looking out for his second title in a row having won the competition with porto twelve months ago. but i think to feel a little bit nervous when playing a finalist natural and with this would be historic to win two consecutive titles with different clubs all i'm trying to do is keep really focused on what our coach wants and what the team needs from me and what we need to do as a team on the pitch and let's hope that we can reach our target in well this year

is the first time the bilbao have reached a european final since one thousand nine hundred eighty seven coach marcelo has a fully fit squad to choose from and rested certain key players in the league or over the weekend and the side have the chance to do a double this season as they also face barcelona in the final of the copper del ray . but is it ok well it's true that we've dreamed of these type of victory for many years but it's to have a good omen to talk about victories before actually winning anything and i think it's better to focus on the game on the pitch and then hopefully we'll be able to celebrate because that is a dream we've all had for many years now. now host of russian footballing legends have paid tribute to those who fell during the second world war members of the soviet union's an impact and european championship winning teams gathered a moscow's victory park monument to pay their respects michael craft janko reports . it's pretty much the dream for any boy growing up to become a football hero but few would have had as difficult

a time achieving that dream than those growing up during wartime. when i was four and living in rust off in southeast russia when the war broke out but despite the fact that the far shoes had taken control of the c.t. we boys continued to play football in zero courtyards because a dad age we had no idea what was going on it's exactly kids like victor when you're dealing with then went on to create the us is a golden era in football during a ten year period the national team won olympic gold in one hundred fifty six became european champions in one nine hundred sixty and then came second in the same competition four years later legends like goalkeeper levy ashton and strikers victor twenty jelly and nikita simone young all grew up having no idea what the outcome of the war would bring them over but that didn't stop them from daring to dream. where we even played on them to storm and they fed us only once

a day and still we continued to play football and once the war was over every single yard was full of children playing football and the most famous footballers came from these yards in stark contrast to those who were directly affected by the tribulations of war and there were some who were more fortunate. because of the u.s. the size of boston territory it meant not all of it was directly in the line of fire and. i was very young when the war began so i have a very fuzzy memory of how it told was back then i lived in but to be a coastal city in what is now the republic of georgia and people will even peacefully but although there were many refugees there was no actual war there so luckily breena was also quite peaceful. while calm as a steely had the luxury of relative freedom and open space those closer to the front line had far fewer comforts nearby than you do if there weren't any sports schools other fantastic gene holes we have today we didn't have any protective gear

or even boots at times we played with their food we played with empty cans as food bowls we had want to go in order to sort that mom would give us if you would withdraw any use that with that kind of spirit it's little wonder these boys managed to achieve what they did. some lucky ones where even torn between vocation as. i spent my childhood juggling the desire to become a food bill and with that of being a singer a brit you went from food book to scene and back to food bill again but in the end my call it was food bill and soon it became a gill keep a phenomenal police. whether or not these great footballers were affected directly by the war collectively they managed to channel any fear or despair into the beautiful game and it's these legends that prove that despite great adversity not even rule can rip children of their dreams like a quick check of the team. while elsewhere russia have maintained that one hundred

percent record of the ice hockey while championship after winning the third game in a row in a shoot out bending of man have been jamming to no in stock calls for nickel eyes yet their final exit out of shanghai gave russia victory next up is denmark meanwhile in the other grim faced gang labia thrust into me by five goals to nil. elsewhere. and helsinki defending champions finland had no problems against switzerland running out five to win it all but every kind a three to win either because of a start. now in the n.b.a. playoffs the indiana pacers are through to the second round after winning their best of seven series with orlando orlando magic this after a one hundred five eighty seven win in game five so first on the pacers have reached this stage in seven years darren collison and george hale combining for thirty four points meanwhile the atlanta hawks are back in contention in their series with boston they popped the deficit to three to you after a thrilling eighty seven eighty six victory denver have reduced the difference in their series against the l.a. lakers nuggets one game five one hundred two ninety nine and the chicago bulls have

kept their series with philadelphia life following a seventy seven sixty nine when game five coach tom three about full of praise for top scorer lowell then who finished with a twenty four point. zero grade energy all round game. got some easy buckets early. good de france rebounding but carlos was terrific in the post. gave us great events great defense and ronnie brewer was terrific. meanwhile in tennis world number one novak djokovic has described the clay court of the madrid masters as impossible this despite a three set win over daniel him and i throw there in the first round the serb in the home favorite six two two six six three but was unhappy with the surface claiming afterwards he should have come out and. he also joked he needed advice from chuck norris on how to play on the newly installed blue clay comments come

following similar concerns from other players or thirty say the play makes it easier for t.v. viewers to follow the flight of the ball the reigning champion will now place where stanislav austrian. in the second round. and finally golf tiger woods is back in action this weekend he would turns to the p.g.a. tour the players championship in florida now it's fair to say the former world number one has been inconsistent so far this season his five shot win a bay hill for his first p.g.a. tour title in thirty months was followed by his worst ever masters performance but the thirty six year old is concerned by his lack of consistency. because i've done this before and that's. been through this and you've actually a lot of years i lived with me went through those periods where i wasn't quite. where i wanted to be and i had some pretty good runs after that. this is this is no different takes all the time well that is all the sport for now you know it will be

back here in a little under two hours time to join in that. culture is that so much in a moment taxpayers' money meant ization even a lot of people at area returning to the russian presidency for the third time slot a mere putin has pledged to unify the country and continue me forms to expand the economy. you know how sometimes you see a story and it seems so for langley you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tom harpur welcome to the big picture.

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