the strike for nineteen days claiming interest suffered abuse while trying. to. stay with us folks for life sex and exhales. however the welcome to squad like the party i'll bring up today my guest in the studio is a clown. that feed their world chess championship just about to start in moscow edible last fulfill that and. some may call chess the most unspoiled these points are nothing but the stakes are still high and thousands are expected here in moscow to come and see the chanting chess has always been a very special in russia and the u.s.s.r. it was as symbolic as the bolshoi safest put many of the world's best grandmothers

to russians and one of them is here today. how does it feel to be one of the most strong headed persons in the world how does the art of chess look from the end zone were asking to fourteen world champions and one of the most talented chess players of all times. back in the eighty's and ninety's was a true prodigy on just players his breakthrough was of be age of sixteen when he won a gold medal at the chess olympiad in manila that game is seen as the springboard into his successful career among. the best chess players of all times including the celebrated me play with me now under their guidance the world champion title in two thousand and securing a landslide victory. meet. latimer

welcome to the show thank you very much for being with us well first of all this i think one of the eternal questions not only of chess but journalists about talking to people. about chess and spoil sport in chess well i've been a sports journalist for a long time i've asked this question and three answers but interesting to your answer. cheers. is a sport right but sport isn't about being the best sport it is about winning is chess is best winning well i think in this in this sense i don't see a very big difference between chess and any other sport like tennis or for bo i mean it's it's about winning call being the best whatever you call it but i think it goes to girls and you know this to sing so i go into that always know look pretty much like well like take football yeah one of the most popular sports in the world well the. team that is better sometimes loses i

mean one goal one mistake and there are goals for chess but i mean all all in all i mean it's about well of course because the main goal for the for a chess player as a four and a tennis player to be number one and to be winning tottenham and ideally every game you play you know which is of course not possible to realize but still you're aiming for it so in this not sure that the different the so big but i personally actually going not clearly concede the chairs of the sport i mean for me it's something pretty strange you know really we used to have this form all of which i think is. spirit to. a logical next and i do agree with the chances are one sort art one sort science and one sort sport so i think you know it's it's kind of troops because sport from your supporters is something physical it's a physical competition chess is not a physical competition although of course. physical aspect sometimes strangely enough is quite important i have talked for example to my needs which used to as we

were said to be the chance champion among women and she said that the i think is something about women's lives. why women don't play may she said no it's about physical condition just because when you play and it took was so much strength so much physical health that a woman can't stand it only men could hear that yeah that's true actually you can simply everybody can make an experiment on the his own is just ok just the right tool solve even even quite simple mathematical tasks for five dollars an hour or i can assure you that you'll be completely finished you know more than than maybe make in five hours of fitness it's really tiring it's tiring physically there for for instance all just. making what they're trying to keep keep them so feet. but it ignores more course nobody beings non-body of course i mean everybody is

making sport and everybody is trying to be very fit so that's also true i mean if you actually. about this. sort of woman chess it's also actually bowled simplest that distance because i would say the statistic really it's like for every ten boys which start to study chess as it is one girl of your sort is less and finally ok it's it's mathematically you know it's about numbers so that's why we actually her for a few let's say one who was very famous a hungered and very famous judit polgar sure who actually is a top chess player top shoe she's fighting equally was a man she used to be good it was part of. the menu of all champions and she used to be a kid best i think like number seven in the vault in the men that i'm going on here so it's possible it's not impossible but the but of course it's easier for men because of many reasons also if you don't reach a conclusion not just one game but imagine you would go on for a month you know that went on like so many actually it's very tiring it's it's. as

much energy consuming as any other sport so in this sense i think it's pretty physical but still i i would. coming back to your first question i would not fully can see the church as a sport. although it's concede that there's a sport and most of the country is but i said to me at least i'm just talking about my personal perception to me it's a. way of life it's something very important for me but it's a very big artistic and scientific part of it so but finally of course i think if i would be enjoying artistic part of it but was in every game i'm not sure i would stay for too long playing chess is it true that chess is much more predictable that it's much easier to win playing by the rules then to win in real life. or well i would just say no i mean just different you know in this and that chess chess has a very strict rules and so basically the element of chance is pretty small it's

a really small i mean compared to all it's games like cards or even for career i mean of course chess is a if you're better chess users much bigger chance you're going to win so for one side everything depends on you in a way from other point of view if you're because in your porn and then it's really bad luck i mean if you're very good in chess does it give you a privilege in real life situations now. i think that is there is a sort of connection i mean not as strong as people might think because you know there is a world where you can hear no real rules in life you not know but i mean in general you know for people things that if you're going to just play it means you're absolute genius that you have some kind of incredible brain which nobody can the can compete with it's not it's not completely true there finitely i mean of course . actually to be a good use definitely definitely requires some intelligence to put it mildly and

maybe chess players i.q. is in general would be higher than average but i mean what i want to say is that if you play chess better than your neighbor. it doesn't mean that you're more clever than your neighbor another it's not that simple well definitely it requires certain to listen and also what i want to say that it develops and eligible and this is a very important the reason why i'm asking this question is that in one of the interviews you said i quote i have played chess since i was five and it shapes my thinking i am always very logical sometimes even too logical and quote in which situations in life be who are gigo is not helpful. well you know we just well yeah so not only but you know reach us players to be just have it it's become an ultimate that afflicts you not to start sinking even when it's simply not needed you can just do things. you know just on your deflections but you anywhere you think it over and sometimes it's not useful but i still ok it was half

a joke because still i believe that it's it's quite a useful in general it's very good to get. to think you know i think it's so really hopeful and so i'm actually ready hope is that they start if you were hopeful to think but life a life is not alone this is not logical at all and i mean it's see. every person has his own logic i mean so so so does it really opiah mean i mean it's mathematical logic in life that i'm sure of that it hopes everyone i mean i least i think that i can predict sort of thing certain situation i heard the general feeling that they can do it pretty well i would say but the but they're also drawbacks here i mean i'm but i think that it's political for at least what i want to say that i would definitely try to teach my my daughter she's now just three years old but maybe in one or two years i'll start teaching futures because i think it's very you useful to develop your mental abilities for future years so for will

she go to school or well of course i'll stop myself because it's not on the it's not only just for her it's also for me it's a pleasure for me about at some point it depends you know i think that you're sure the necessarily become a chess player i mean i'm not even sure that i would like my daughter to become a professional chess player only if she would be exceptionally talented missed some people say it's impossible to teach your own children i mean you send them to of course at some point yes i will send her first goal if she will be a really talented enough if i would see that she has a bright future in chess but anyway even if she wouldn't become a professional chess player i would be i would love. the chip plays share some she learns shares and because chess is a more though of i think of right to start thinking and i would like to do good this to get to know how to think in the way of lattimer kramnik the forty's the world chess champion spotlight we'll get back to our political break so stay

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the battle of stalingrad. time other than. on our team. welcome back to spotlight an amalgam of in just a reminder that my guest on the show today is latimer kramnik the fourteenth world chess champion. in russia chess has always been very important in in the russian nineteenth century in soviet russian soviet union also why why was it so important in the country and. why was it so dominant i mean the russian school in the twentieth century well the. few reasons first of all of course that is a part of actually accident in it because in the festival linnean hugh used to lecture us this is quite the well known fact and i think that's why after the revolution

nineteen seventeen years became quite popular and there was a variety of important member of the soviet government under lin time his name was clearly and then he was under stalin time quickly was a big fan of cheers he became the president of the chess federation and he spent a lot of efforts to develop this game you know so i think this is the first part of it and the second part before that at some point after a few years quite a few years like twenty years of developing chess i should also mention the church just as a cheap game you know i mean maybe that was also important because after the revolution soviet state was not in going to be that you know i mean that and and maybe it was a good way to entertain people you know. by saying cheap you mean it doesn't require lots of expensive work you know and you know i mean the generosity of your son if you're a very good you can even play each of blindfolded would want to be professionals also you don't even need the chess board so you don't need to clear for it to get any money to develop it ok of course you need that in the books that that's all

that if you start to try to become a professional just player this is interesting what you said about lennon because it immediately immediately occurred to me that in the in the posts of each i was one of the one of the big fans of sponsors of chess was mr gadhafi said no no no it's a use they seem to like yeah not that not only i can also tell that for example i can deal with it not belong here he was a friend of chess on the we've uncovered quite a few games of humor which he played on the show to call him nazi and also not know not the most democratic figure in the year you get out of the market about about other figures i can tell you that my block of he was a very big fan of chetan and his lucian's assurance is actually in a union is one of the. one of the best probably books written about chess is a true speaking about in the bark of an about allusion is that all great grand masters are a little bit crazy no i don't think so i mean i mean it's a legend after the strike first novel of twine you know for the solution difference of not i would say that such such characters like collusion might exist and from

time to time you have such as players but it's not it's not likely that everyone is like this of course not only so but unfortunately it also has great books also made us and of course fishery have you know very well they're always start talking about this lady gowers let's take a look at the russian chester edition it reported by spotlight to me they are. one of the oldest chess playing nations russia has alone an honorable list of the greatest chessplayers ever the fourth world champion alexander lost in the one almost every tournament he played throughout the one nine hundred twenty s. and contributed greatly to chess theory even though he fled the us assign one nine hundred twenty one he was considered the founder of the soviet chess after world war two the year off so he dominance in chess began with me while between the group in the chess world for fifteen years between the equator became one of the pioneers

in developing computer chess throughout the post-war history of the u.s.s.r. it was just once that the country's chess predominance was challenged it was by a twenty nine year old american bobby fischer who managed to break the soviet chess monopoly when in this so-called match of the same shereen one nine hundred seventy two however the us is trying was sure to last thing another twenty years of the us is sus jazz dominance followed in the one nine hundred eighty s. the main chess intrigue was who of the soviets was to get the next title of or kasparov chess was the u.s.s.r. surprising joy you could find a chess set in almost any house. if you want to make something popular put it on t.v. so be it sports news books very often come with us and it wasn't just announcing the winner of the match news presenters to buy a large magnetic chessboard they showed the moves made by the players and explained that these days the boards have become electronic and chess has almost completely

disappeared from both the russian households and sport news it now takes a huge event like a world champion playing against a computer to make chess hit the headlines once again russian mastery of the sport came to an end in two thousand and seven when graham nick was beaten by an indian chess grandmaster we should there and with most dresher and still believe in the supremacies of the country's chair school and think it's just a matter of time before russia guess the world champion title back. now today in modern days russia there's this russian chess school there's a still exist is a still financial in the world i think now this was internet and is this free information and obvious flaws here and what i did you cannot stop but i think the national chair school early not exist and then you know what i would say yeah because in that time no internet very few. very futurist

really high level tennis where if you just publication so of course russians were dominating because because first of all it was a very prestigious to become a spoiler which was not the case in the worst i would say and this is a very important point to believe and also because because the kind of call sort of call off the tennis of information of which which was not go in abroad since you are you know whatever we heard the soviet regime and actually bought this work last actually even the best turn of the deal have a chance to get brought and the soviet leadership also was investing money like it was diverting into ballet you know into. into space exploration is they were the fields that not all the countries want to divest integrate i have to admit i'm not a very big fan of the sort of the discipline of the time but the have to because for me and all other chess players also because of course it created the very famous soviet chair school. i would say is that what we knew because of all chen

very famous world champion of phil small sample of soviet union he was the phone data in the way of this church school and we still have a very powerful church school here but of course now borders are open actually that is not soviet union the new more and in let's say in competitions now this is our main opponents of russian art teams of the country and i mean it's out of mania ukraine azerbaijan and so on so it's becoming much more difficult to the minute now this your wife is french and you live a you live in europe. most of the time. can you say where in the world today chess is mostly popular also not in india there and then here no no no it's growing to really grow in india in china it's going enormously actually the. woman on is now a chain use girl and she's incredibly talented she is just icing sixteen or seventeen and she is all that i do been in or got to go to so. india world

countries and mendoza budge on ukraine is still very powerful and in europe actually is getting better and better because there is a. that is not a bridge in the home of the all the false starts the nor who his name is among those calls and he is number one on the waiting list now in the men's chairs he is just twenty years old and he is probably a future all just champion and pretty sure about that and actually it's become and that is a very very big american star for that reason now and he's already in top there and his name is he got on the come out of his japanese or region but but here he is. playing under american flags so it's actually becoming much more multicultural and this is what i like because also the problem why chess was not popular in the worst because all the major chess tournaments let's say twenty years ago were done on russians it was basically russians playing against russians and of course ok people

there like to see some new faces and now now for example in top down in top ten by a by a rating you can see is a city russians and all other people of different nationalities there is one indian the one that original one bowl guard and one other menu in the one ukraine so basically one american so basically all over the world chinese are common becomes stronger stronger so now it's because i'm going to really. another quote from yourself when you begin to understand the game of chess in a school debt you find that certain rules become blurred and quote this mean the chess is not actually only about calculating but who are about about intuition or something well you see a chess actually it's funny enough funnily enough chess is too complicated to be only about calculated i would say that you know that's why even few years ago we were still able to compete on equal terms of his computers with the most powerful computer the only winning out of these now over the years slowly slowly as they

start to take over and so those are norms that it is about calculating well it's pretty much about conclusion but not only about it because still there is no computer or even your norm incredibly the most powerful computer in the world cannot play a perfect game of chess because there's just far to come to calculate it i would tell you that mathematically well very very general amount of possibilities all all possible moves on the chess board is a number is twenty zero so a fair number of the show actually doesn't exist in the reality so that's why it's just far too complex to talk a little too complicated to calculate it out even for a computer not even mention in a human being so so for a human chair that is a lot of general into the show. sort of strategy you're feeling for the game i'm in the us it's a it's also it's a kind of for me that all best just players they they start to make the first move and they'll do you know what will happen if until the end of the game it's not if you say intuition is so important then i would think that it should be easier for

you for a human if you play with a computer to play to play the quick chess with them to place them to play a lie or a long match world because i'm sure there's more intuition more reaction for you or for it for a human being in years but the but for a computer and i used to play two big marches with the most powerful machines of the time it was in two thousand and two and two thousand and six and i can tell you that in two thousand and two the my opponent computer was critical late in the earth something like five million with a second and in two thousand and six it was already cost to ten million more second so i would say that even in the creek chair so you know it's quite difficult. out i mean i would say the computer of the doesn't really have an intuition but he doesn't you know that is he has such a powerful calculation tool that he now it's becoming all the idea it's a little bit difficult to fight with you said one third mathematics one third sports and one third are right in chess so another quote for me the greatest

strategy simply comes to you in this suit and situation does that mean there that that this sort of inspiration like an actor who goes out and stage and suddenly here it comes in a definitely so so this is about a minute in fact on the highest highest level actually while that everybody is very powerful very strong very professional works a lot so it's pretty much about your inspiration your mood so it's very very delicate matter you know once you lose a little bit of this inspiration you cannot then you more perform at your very best so this is this part is very important and also actually cheers again also because it's. it's so complicated you can play in many different ways actually every top player has a slightly different style which is he is nor whole which is exactly the way he plays chess and no one else and this is a very vivid interest and i think it's pretty much connected to his your character we see a human being and that is what percentage in the bowl cheers for instance if you

take this very famous period of much as between just part of and current of course fighting for the world cup on for many years. total a different type of chess absolutely different very different as human beings but but still the model is on the equal level you're sold and this is this is what this was and they did the ball chair that you can you can the nearly put yourself into it and. visa moves you make you can express your individuality. was there ever a situation when you plates of body and you were fascinated by the way your opponent plays and it was it was more fun for you to see how he plays than to win or winning or winning is number one anyone oh no no both of them both both being so important but actually i like very much to play was a greatest possible players actually i only compete in the best ornaments i mean because because this is not only about the result after all i'm

a chess veteran already i'm there for twenty years on the top of chess i'm in top ten so it's also i like to enjoy the game and of course when you play a great opponent it's much more interesting because i really enjoy it because some moves i so i see it's all deep so great that i which i didn't really predict and but here he went on a little bit deeper than me and i see and i look at least me and so as a last is maybe maybe maybe more fun than the reality you know where you're i mean i mean in a way you know we are two we are two players of course we are poland's but we are i also consider that we are like two musicians like a do it of musicians who are creating a piece of art in a way and savoy just of his own the different that somebody has to be in somebody has to lose but this part of it is also very important for me at least you're a lucky man and the you thank you thank you very much for being with us and just a reminder that my guest today was of lattimer spamming the fourteenth of world chess jam and that's it for now from all of us here spotlight we'll do that and then play on our team and take your eyes.

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