welcome to the party i'll bring. my guest in the studio. a world chess championship just about to start in moscow credible last fulfill the . sun make the most unspoiled these points but the stakes are still high and thousands here in moscow to come and see the child. has always been very special in russia in the u.s.s.r. it was as symbolic as the bolshoi just put many of the world's best grandmothers to russians and one of them is here today. how does it feel to be one of them. had a person in the world how does the art of chess look from the end son. to fourteen champions and one of the most talented chess players of all time.

back in the eighty's and ninety's was a true prodigy not just players he's breakthrough was a b. age of sixteen when he won. that game as soon as the springboard into his successful career among. the best chess players of all times including the celebrated. one the world champion title in two thousand and securing a landslide victory. welcome to the show thank you very much for being with us well first of all this i think one of the eternal questions not only of chess but journalists about talking to people like you about chess and sports well. for a long time i've asked this question but. your answer. cheers.

is a sport right but sport isn't about being the best sport is about winning is chess is best winning well i think in this in this sense i don't see a very big difference between chess and any other sport like tennis or for bo i mean it's it's about winning call being the best whatever you call it but i think it goes to girls and you know this to sing so i go into that i always know look pretty much like take football yeah one of the most popular sports in the world well the. team that is better sometimes loses i mean one goal one mistake and all the same goes for chess but i mean all all in all i mean it's about well of course because the main goal for the for a chess player as a. tennis player to be number one to be winning tottenham and ideally every game you play you know which is of course not possible to realize but still you're aiming for it so in this not sure that the different the so big but i personally

are actually going to be really can see the chairs of the sport i mean for me it's something but it is strange you know really we used to have this formal reach i think it's. put it to. a logical next and i do agree with the choices of one sort art one sort science and one sort sport so i think you know it's it's kind of troops because sport for me a sport is something physical it's a physical competition choice is not a physical competition although of course. physical aspect sometimes strangely enough is quite important i have talked for example to my needs which used to as we were said to be the chance champion among women and she said that the i think is something about women's logic why women don't play men she said no it's about physical conditions is because when you play and match it to choirs so much strength so much. physical health that

a woman can stand it only men could hear that yeah that's true actually you can simply everybody can make an experiment on the his own is just ok just the right tool solve even even quite simple mathematical tasks for five dollars an hour or i can assure you that you will be completely finished you know more than than maybe make in five hours of fitness it's merely parroting it starting physically there for for instance all just. making what they're trying to keep keep them so feet. but it ignores more course nobody beings non-body of course i mean everybody is making sport and everybody is trying to be very fit so that's also true i mean if you actually. about this. sort of woman chess it's also actually a bold simplest artistic because i would say the statistic really it's like for every ten boys which start to study chess as it is one girl or girl sort of less

and finally ok it's mathematically you know it's about numbers so that's why we actually beat her for a few let's say one who who is very famous a hungered and very famous judit polgar sure who actually is a top chess player shoe she's fighting equally was a man she used to be guarded as part of. the menu of all champions and she used to be at her best i think like number seven in the vault in the men that i'm looking on. so it's possible it's not impossible but the but of course it's easier for men because of many reasons also if you don't reach a conclusion not just one game but in that you don't go on for a month you know about it went on like so many but actually it's very tiring it's it's as as as much energy consuming as any other sport so in this sense i think it's pretty physical but still i would i would not coming back to your first question i would not fully can see the church as a sport. it's concede that there's a sport and most of the country is but. i said to me at least i'm just talking

about my personal perception to me it's an art it's a way of life it's something very important for me but it's that is a very big artistic and scientific part of it so but finally of course i think if i would be enjoying artistic part of it but was in every game i'm not sure i would stay for too long playing chess is it true that chess is much more predictable that it's much easier to win playing by the rules then to win in real life. or well i would just say no i mean just different you know in the sun that chess just has a very strict rules and so basically the element of chance is pretty small it's a really small i mean compared to all it's games like cards or even for career i mean of course. if you are better chess you are those much bigger chance you're going to win so for one side everything depends on you in a way from other point of view if you're because in your corner and then it's really bad luck i mean if you are very good in chess does it give you

a privilege in real life situations now. i think that these are the sort of connection i mean not as strong as people might think because you know there is a world where you can hear no real rules in life you not know but i mean in general you know for people things that if you're great just play it means you're absolute genius that you have some kind of incredible brain which nobody can the can compete with it's not it's not completely true there finitely i mean of course. actually to be a good use definitely definitely a choir some intelligence to put it mildly and maybe just players i.q. is in general would be higher than average but i mean what i want to say is that if you play chess better than your neighbor it doesn't mean that you're more clever than your neighbor another it's not that simple but i definitely. require a certain television and also what i want to say that it develops and legit. and

this is very important the reason why i'm asking this question is that in one of the interviews you said i quote i have played chess since i was five and it shapes my thinking i'm always very logical sometimes even too logical and quote in which situations in life being logical is not helpful. well you know we just well yeah so not only but you know reach us players to be just have it it's become in the open market a flex you not to start sinking even when it's just simply not needed you can just do things on autopilot you know just on your deflections but you anywhere you think it over and sometimes it's not useful but i still ok it was half a joke because still i believe that it's it's quite a useful in general it's a very good bit to do to think you know i think it's so very hopeful and so i'm i'm actually very hip is a place that if you were hopeful to think but but life a life is going to live this not logical at all and i mean it's see every person

has his own logic i mean so so so does it really mean i mean mathematical logic in life does it i'm sure of that it helps everyone i mean i'd list i things that i can predict certain things certain situation i had the general feeling that they can do it pretty well i would say but the but also drawbacks here i mean i'm but i think that it's bytecode for at least what i want to say that i would definitely try to teach my my daughter as she is now of the just thirty years old but maybe in one or two years i'll start teaching futures because i think it's where you useful to develop your mental abilities for future sure yourself or will she go to school or well of course i'll stop myself because it's not on the it's not only just for her it's also for me it's a pleasure for me about at some point it depends you know i think that you're sure the necessarily become a chessplayer i mean i'm not even sure that i would like my daughter to become a professional just player only if she would be exceptionally talented may some

people say it's impossible to teach your own children i mean you send them to well of course at some point yes i will send her first goal if she will be a really talented enough if i would see that she has a bright future in chess but anyway even if she wouldn't become a professional chess player i would be i would love. she plays share some she learns shares and because chess is a model of i think of right thinking and i would like her to do good this to get to know how to think in the way of light of her crime make the forty's the world chess champion spotlight we'll get back to our police make the grade so stay with us we'll continue this interview in less than a minute. i'm sure is that so much of you going to make

a lot of people here you look at what is happening in your french voters appear to be moving to the left one priest is leaning hard to the right what is causing the collapse of the political scene. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm charged barker's a big show. welcome back to spotlight an amalgam of in just a reminder that my guest on the show today is latimer kramnik the fourteenth world chess champion. in russia chess always been very important in

in the russian nineteenth century in soviet russian soviet union also why why was it so important in the country and why was it so dominant i mean the russian school in the twentieth century well the. fury and felt the fall of. that is a part of actually accident in it because first of all linen hue used to lectures this is quite a well known fact and i think that's why after the revolution nineteen seventeen cheers became quite popular and there was a bit important member of the soviet government under lin time his name was clearly and then he was under stalin fire and quickly was a big fan of cheers he became a president of the chess federation and he spent a lot of efforts to develop this game saw i think this is the first part of it and the second part before that at some point after a few years quite a few years like twenty years of developing chess i should also mention the church just as

a cheap game you know i mean maybe that was also important because after the revolution soviet state was not included ability to you know i mean the and and maybe it was a good way to entertain people you know. by saying cheap you mean it doesn't require lots of expensive work you know and you know i mean the generosity of your son if you're very good you can even play chess blindfolded want to want to be professionals also you don't even need a chess board so you don't need to clear for it to get any money to develop it ok of course you knew at the end of books that that's all that if you're starting to try to become a professional just boy this is interesting what you said about lenin because it immediately immediately occurred to me that in the in the posts of the times one of the one of the big fans of sponsors of chess was mr gadhafi not our negotiators they seemed to like yeah no not not on that i can also tell that for example i can deal with that not alone here he was a friend of chess on the even over quite a few games of humor which he played on the show to call him nazi and also not know not the most democratic figure in the mirror but get out of the market about about

other figures i can tell you that in a book of he was a very big fan of chess and his loser insurance is actually in a yeah it is one of the one of the best but only books of it in the bowl chairs speaking about the bark of in about allusion is that all great grand masters are a little bit crazy no i don't. so i mean i mean it's a legend after the strike first novel of quiet you know for the solution difference of not i would say that such such characters like allusion might exist and from time to time you have such as players but it's not it's not like or that everyone is like this of course not so but unfortunately it also has great books also made us and of course fishery have you know very well they're always start talking about this very day gowers let's take a look at the russian chester version of the report by spotlight to me they were. one of the oldest chess playing nations russia has alone an honorable list of the greatest chessplayers ever the fourth world champion alexander lost in the one

almost every tournament he played throughout the one nine hundred twenty s. and contributed greatly to chess theory even though he fled the us assign one nine hundred twenty one he was considered the founder of the soviet chess after world war two the year off soviet dominance in chess began with me while between the group in the chess world for fifteen years between the equator became one of the pioneers in developing computer chess throughout the post-war history of the u.s.s.r. it was just once that the country's chess predominance was challenged it was by a twenty nine year old american bobby fischer who managed to break his soviet chess monopoly win in the so-called match of the same shereen one nine hundred seventy two however the u.s. is trying was sure to last during another twenty years of the us is sus jazz dominance followed in the one nine hundred eighty s. the main chess intrigue was who of the soviets was to get the next title of or

kasparov chess was the u.s.s.r. surprising joy you could find a chess set in the almost any household if you want to make something popular put it on t.v. so we have sports news books very often covered chair us wasn't just announcing the winner of the man. news presenters still by large magnetic words they showed the moves made by the players. these days the boards have become an extraordinary chess has almost completely disappeared from both the russian households and sport news it now takes a huge event like a world champion playing against a computer to make chess hit the headlines once again russian mastery of the sport came to an end in two thousand and seven when kramnik was beaten by an indian chess grandmaster we then and with most russians still believe in the supremest c. of the country's chess school and think it's just

a matter of time before russia guess the world champion title back. now today in modern days russia there's this russian chess school there's a still exist is a still financial in the world i think now this was internet and is this free information and obvious flaws here and what i did you cannot stop but i think the national cheer school so dearly not exist and then you know what i would say you know because in that time no internet very few. very futuristic in a really high level to venice very few just publication so of course russians were them in it and because because first of all it was a very prestigious to become a spoiler which was not the case and the worst i would say and this is a very important point i believe and also because because the kind of call sort of call off but end of information which which was not go in abroad since you're not with the world because the soviet regime and actually borders work last actually

even the best turn of the deal have a chance to get brought and the soviet leadership also was investing money like it was diverting into ballet you know into chairs and into space exploration as they were the fields that not all the countries want to divest into right here i have to admit i'm not a very big fan of the soviet the discipline of the time but the. that they have to be created for you and me and all other chess players also because of course it created the video famous overture school. i would say that mikko but we knew because of all chen very famous world champion of phil small sample of soviet union he was the phone data in the way of this church school and we still have a very powerful church school here but of course now borders are open actually that is not so within the new more and in let's say in team competitions now these are our main opponents of russian. art of the possible of a country. out of mania ukraine azerbaijan and so on so it's becoming much more difficult to the minute now this your wife is french and you live there you live in

europe. most of the time. can you say where in the world today chess is mostly popular also not in india though and then he'll go now is growing severely grow in india in china it's going enormously actually the. woman will champion is now a chain years ago and she's incredibly talented she is just icing sixteen or seventeen and she is all to do all champion in or get to go to so. india world countries and mendoza budge on ukraine is still very powerful and in europe actually is getting better and better because there is a. that is not a bridge in the home of the all the false starts the nor who his name is among most girls and he is number one on the waiting list now in the men's chairs he's just twenty years old and he's probably a future will just champion and pretty sure about that and you know actually it's

become and that is a very very big american star for that reason now and he's already in top then his name is he got on the come out of his japanese or region but but here he is playing under medical flux so it's actually becoming much more multicultural and this is what they like because also the problem why chess was not popular in the worst big . all the major chess tournaments let's say twenty years ago were played on the russians it was basically russians playing against russians and of course ok people there like to see some new faces and now now for example in top down in top them by a by a rating you can see is a city russians and all other people of different nationalities there is one indian the one that original one bold and one other minion the one ukraine so basically one american so basically all over the world chinese are common become stronger stronger so now is because our enemy really. another quote from yourself when you begin to understand the game of chess in its full depth you find that certain rules become blurred and quote this it means the chess is not actually only about

calculating but the poor about about intuition or something well you see chess actually it's funny enough funnily enough chess is too complicated to be on the ball calculating i would say that you know that's why even few years ago we were still able to compete on equal terms of his computers with the most powerful computer the only winning out of these now over the years slowly slowly as they start to take over and so there's a norms that it is about to calculate all it's pretty much about calculation but not only about it because still there is no computer or even you know i'm incredibly the most powerful computer in the world cannot play a perfect game of chess because there's just far to come to calculate it i would tell you that mathematically well very very general amount of possibilities all all possible moves on the chess board is a number was twenty zero so i feel a number of the show actually doesn't exist in the reality so that's why it's just far too complex to talk a little complicated to calculate it out even for

a computer not even mention in a human being so so for a human cheers it is a lot of general intuition sort of strategy your feeling for the game i'm in the us it's also it's a kind of a means that all best just players a they start their main. the first movement though did you know what will happen if until the end of the game it's not if you seem to ition is so important then i would think that it should be easy to feel for a human if you play with a computer to play to play the quick chess with them to place them to play a liar a long match while of the solution is more intuition more reaction for you or for it for a human being in years but the but for a computer in are used to play it to become much as was the most powerful machines of the time it was in two thousand and two and two thousand and six and i can tell you that in two thousand and two the my opponent computer was going to call it in the earth something like five million with a second and in two thousand and six it was already cost to ten million or so

seconds so i would say that even in the creek chair so you know it's quite difficult. out i mean i would say the computer doesn't really have a intuition but he doesn't need to hope it is he has such a powerful calculation tool that he now it's becoming all the idea it's a little bit difficult to fight with you said one third mathematics one third sports and one third are right in chess so another quote for me the greatest threat is he simply comes to you in this suit and situation does that mean that that this sort of inspiration like an actor who goes out and stage and suddenly here comes in a definitely so so this is going to win in fact on the highest highest level actually while that everybody is very powerful very strong very professional works a lot so it's pretty much about your inspiration your more so it's very very delicate matter you know once you lose

a little bit of this inspiration you cannot then you more perform at your very best so this is this part is very important and also actually cheers again also because it's so cold it's so complicated you can play in many different ways actually over the top player has a slightly different style which is he has no hole which is exactly the way he. yes and nor one else and this is a very vivid interest and i think it's pretty much connected to his your character we see a human being and that is what percentage in the bowl cheers for instance if you take this very famous period of much as between us part of and product of the horse fighting for the world come on for many years. totally different type of just absolutely different very different as human beings but but stills or model less on equal level you're sold and this is this is what this was and they did the ball chair that you can you can the nearly put yourself into it and. visa moves you make you can express your individuality. was there ever

a situation when you place a very and you were fascinated by the way your opponent plays and it was it was more fun for you to see how he plays than to win or winning over winning is number one i mean or no no no both of them both both things are important but actually i like very much to play was a greatest possible players actually i only compete in the best ornaments i mean because because this is not only about the result after all i'm a chess veteran over there for twenty years on the top of chess i'm in top ten so it's also i like to enjoy the game and of course when you play a great opponent it's much more interesting because i really enjoy it because some moves i so i see it's so deep so grave that i which i didn't really predict and but here he went on a little bit deeper than me and i see and i look at least me and so as a loss is maybe maybe maybe more fun than the reality you know where you're i mean i mean in a way you know we are two two players of course we are pawns but we are i also consider that we are like musicians like a do it of musicians who are creating

a piece of art in a way and savoy just of his own the difference that somebody has to be in somebody has to lose but this part of it is also very important for me at least you're a lucky man and the you thank you thank you very much for being with us and just a reminder that my guest today was of lattimer spamming the fourteenth of world chess champ and that's it for now from all of us here spotlight we'll do that and then play on our team and take your eyes.

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