well today on r t if sharing is caring then the pentagon cares about you an awful lot or about your online data anyway it's timing its grip around your cyber freedoms and bring in the big guns for the sake of national security we'll tell you how and more importantly why this cyber crackdown is gaining steam. and banking on disaster if you thought big banks were done making big gambles well you bet wrong it seems the more things change the more they stay the same specially when it comes to risking your money. plus the race for the republican nomination is getting red white and bruised as the borders for mitt romney start a battle royale with ron paul affection otto's throwing around both votes and

punches we'll tell you how these voters are duking it out for delegates. it is monday may fourteenth five pm in washington d.c. i'm christine for you watching our team. well again with a look at something many people are calling the beginning of a beautiful friendship but we're simultaneously is getting others to put on their hands and lights and talking about a new blossoming relationship between the u.s. government and private companies they've been working together to gain more access to what takes place on the web here's a headline from the washington post today it says the pentagon expands cyber security exchange essentially as many of the thousand defense contractors might volunteer to share some previously classified information with the pentagon to try to crack down on cyber threats and according to the washington post this new relationship has being hailed as

a milestone milestone is one way to look at it but we want to talk about some other aspects of what's going on here and for that i'm joined by tim carr a senior director of strategy for free press hey tim we're talking about companies like verizon wireless companies like eighteen t. this this is companies that i use that i know most people use for their telephone and internet service says they've already participated in a pilot program they plan to continue cooperating breakdown for me tim what's going on here well i think increasingly what we're seeing that sort of threats to privacy now are increasingly not coming directly from government or corporations but them working together and when you're looking at a company like for eisener eighty you're talking about of the leading internet and telecommunications provider in the united states the one thing you need to be clear about this sharing is whether they're sharing information between the first party which would be the government of the second party which would be the company or they also including the third party which would be the consumers that use those

companies and that's where we need to look very carefully at this new arrangement to make sure that in the sharing of information they're not sharing our personal information our private data in ways that would threaten our free speech rights or civil rights and things like that so you think that there's actually a reason to be concerned about for example you know the issues that i search for online being shared you know when it when it becomes clear that i'm not a cyber threat you think that that information could then be passed on to for marketing purposes. well i mean in in this instance there be fair parenting being passed on to address threats to national security but we don't know where those lines are drawn so in fact if you are buying a pair of shoes from a certain vendor who knows whether or not that information gets shared in the mix i mean there are there's an effort in congress right now to just pass the house the cyber information sharing and protection act which passed a couple of weeks ago which would allow companies and government to work together

and share information in this way in the question that we need to ask in the groups like free press and other civil rights groups are asking is like where do you draw the line at what point is our information something that would seem as banal is buying a pair of shoes become property of the government and certainly those involved with the program say you know this is needed because of hackers in countries like china you know already trying to get into some of these networks some belong to defense contractors but some not how do you think they do i mean should deal with as i mean certainly those threats are out there do they just need to make you know sort of the language a little less murky here i think there needs to be a great deal more transparency and how this information is shared when they let this legislation gets introduced in congress oftentimes it's drafted in back rooms without the consultation of the public there are a number of civil rights groups out there that would be very interested in learning

the details here to make sure that our rights are not being transgressed upon so so we just there needs to be more transparency it is a matter of national security but when it comes to our own civil rights those should come first and then you mentioned passing in the house late april certainly a similar version not the same it is being sort of worked upon worked on drafted in the senate one of the provisions in the house that somewhat controversial is that businesses some businesses that choose to share their information with the government would be given legal immunity when they do choose to share that. talk about why this is concerning well that's why surprisingly you saw a lot of internet companies supporting insist there was a piece of legislation a couple of months back where they all came together and oppose it people remember the soap and people this time it's a little bit different and the reason that a lot of them have been supportive of this is does indemnify them so when government comes knocking and they do

a service subpoena on facebook or twitter they they have this they are free to share that information under the conditions of cispa so they like it in a way that they didn't like that earlier piece of legislation that we defeated so it's really up to a lot of the civil rights groups to make sure that not just government but these companies as well are looking out for our interests first it's a real problem we don't even know whether some of the threat that's been mentioned the threat of hacking from china or from other groups is real we need to know the extent of that threat whether it is indeed as real as they say before they take too many of our liberties away in the form of legislation or as we've seen today with this trial of information sharing between government and corporations yeah i mean what they're going to take time for things when you read through some of this legislation as you say it's confusing it's not transparent there's a lot of sort of room for interpretation what's it going to take for some of these

things to be spelled out plain and simple as you mentioned soap on people to stop buying online piracy act to protect ip act it wasn't until some of the large websites staged an internet blackout that people started to say hey wait a minute i'm concerned about this but also as you say companies like facebook are in support of this because they won't be you know we really accountable i guess you could say we're not we're not seeing online blackouts happen so what's going to take for things to be a little more clear out there for the average american to understand well. i think it's going to take an awakening not only of consumers and we've seen that to some extent people have really been able to take action to write their members of congress to send letters to club called members of congress but we need not only an awakening amongst online freedom advocates people around the world who care about this stuff but we also need members of congress to wake as well and understand that we are a legitimate political constituency that there are people out there who care about

issues like net neutrality we care about our rights to privacy and we care about our online freedoms to the extent that they need to represent us and make sure that there's a balance between what consumers want what internet users want and what government might need for national security or what corporations might need to further their business interests and we as of now we don't quite have that yet and we need to continue to organize online freedom advocates people around the world so that our voice is heard and certainly it's tough sometimes we talk about this on the show all the time and one of the things i hear over and over again from people well you know i'm not doing anything wrong so i shouldn't care but there are in fact reasons that everyone should care about what's going on tim carr's senior director of strategy for free press thanks so much thank you want to turn now to a follow up on a story we told you about last week about new evidence that our country's biggest banks are getting bigger a shocking announcement last week the j.p. morgan chase had been making the risky bets and ended up losing two billion dollars

stocks plunged and investors now say this could be just the beginning with much much more money at risk here's david morgan c.e.o. jamie dimon responding to questioning on this his interview that aired over the weekend on meet the press. but we've had order we go compliance we're best people look at all that we know we were sloppy we know we were stupid we know it was bad judgment we don't know if any of that's true yet of course regulators should look at something like that that's their job so we are totally open kimono regulators and they will come their own conclusions but we intend to fix it learn from it and be a better company was done all right well in some ways what happened with j.p. morgan chase is exactly what many have been warning about for months and even years that without increased regulation without those who gamble money away being held the power accountable this will continue this is also a message that activists for the occupy wall street movement have been screaming from the rooftops but in many cases no one wanted to hear jessica graca is an

activist with occupy wall street is also a writer for the daily coast and jesse this is not exactly rocket science here right when you let the big banks get bigger they're going to continue to make big gambles with other people's money. absolutely this is what we've been saying from day one their business strategy hasn't changed at all it's really about the risk on this one a two billion dollar deals if you were for me and you lost two billion dollars guess what step in my office you're fired now these guys were able to cover this but what happens the next bit whatever to next on those ten billion or a trillion dollars i'll tell you right now they're going to go with their had their hands of the taxpayer say oh i'm too big to fail can you bill me out again and i shudder to think we'll have because i don't think the scotch is going to accept that but certainly a lot of people just they are looking at this incident and they're saying you know what finally a clear cut recent example that's evidence for why these big banks need to be broken up into smaller entities what do you think will that happen. it absolutely

should if anything i was very disappointed last year the year before when the brown kaufman amendment to the bill fell apart the brown kaufman amendment was designed to break up the too big to fail banks the idea being that if there cho large that they could catch the entire world economy to utter chaos because of their misgivings then they shouldn't allow be allowed to exist at that size now robert reich the clinton secretary made a brilliant point saying that you know at this point they're too big to regulate we can't even institute regulations they've already committed millions upon millions a lobbyist dollars to overturning the dodd frank legislation which was watered down to begin with the idea that if we leave the banks to police themselves that if we just let them govern themselves that things will work out great for all of us it doesn't work we can't even get the n.y.p.d. to police themselves why should we think that the banks would do any different and certainly jamie dimon kind of for a really long time a poster child of what's been happening a you know a good example of you know self policing actually working we do remember as you

mentioned when some of this legislation was in the works when the laws were passed that j.p. morgan chase sent you know a army of lobbyist here to washington to make sure they would have will room and clearly this has blown up in a lot of people's faces j.p. morgan in some cases being viewed as the loser they lost two billion dollars after all but just the want to get your take who are the real winners and losers and what happened here. i'm not quite sure if there are any winners because it's not like i want to see these guys lose money at the end of the day the health of the financial industry is tied in to the rest the economy but when people make stupid decisions they should suffer the consequences for this is my problem with too big to fail it says that an economic system where you have the freedom to succeed well some people aren't allowed to fail but you know working class families hey it's your fault you're lazy to me it states that we need these regulations to create an environment where crazy things can just happen out of the blue and what really makes me laugh

is that on a certain level in the long term some of these regulations big sense not just for the consumers but also for the businessmen you know if this risk that they lost two billion dollars on was such a great deal why did they lose money maybe not being able to make crazy bets like that would be better for their business in the long run and i think the fact that they can't even accept that that any governance whatsoever is unpalatable is flat out insanity i mean taking investment advice from jamie dimon at this point is like taking dietary advice from a lot i just don't need your advice and obviously not working for you i don't think it's going to work for me either well that is an interesting analogy i haven't heard that one i want to pick your brain though i want to talk about how this could play out in november now i could be wrong perhaps all your differently in the coming weeks and months but it seems to me that both president obama and mitt romney agree on this that new regulations more stringent rules would just hurt the banks then in turn hurt the people could either candidate jesse give you optimism

in terms of taking action to fix some of these problems that exist in our system. to be honest mitt romney is a total lost cause i mean he did he go into that my great frustration is president obama i think he's lost a lot of people over this in the fact that they're too busy begging the banks for campaign donations to hold these guys accountable the democrats especially would rather seemingly lose election after election than lose their big donors and it's great frustration you know the don frank amendment the kaufman brown image that i just mentioned the break up too big to fail amendment that was lobbied vigorously by timothy geithner of all people timothy geithner is going out there saying oh we can't break up the too big to fail banks that would be a disaster it seems like leaving them so big that they can suffocate the rest the economy is a greater disaster i personally hold that if anybody could be reasoned with this maybe maybe i'm not being optimistic on this but maybe present obama could be spoken to in this regard mitt romney doesn't give of flying rat's behind east total corporate tool and the frustrating thing is

a lot of people feel the same way about obama i think obama can be reasoned with i think mitt romney is a total lost cause i could see more sympathy for the dog tied to his roof than the american taxpayer suffering right now really quick if they're just a tiny part of you that just want to say i told you so because i know that you have been one of the most outspoken people especially within the occupy wall street movement in new york we've been talking about something like this happening since basically september when occupy started. well you know whether i told you so we're not that's not the point the big thing is what do we do going forward and it seems to me like applying the same van logic to a broken system doesn't work we should be doing things we haven't tried late breaking of the too big to fail banks instituting the volcker rule so these guys can't make crazy bets a lot of this regulatory issue it's common sense and it makes me ill is that you have the republican national chairman out there saying well this means we need less regulations as if letting the gangsters have their own rules having no police on

their corner that's the way to go forward i kind of want to say i told you so but i'd rather hear people come up with solutions that would fix this problem because i'll tell you right now the next time that chase morgan can't cover their bets it's going to be the taxpayers are going to turn to well certainly interesting timing no matter what that this all happened as these discussions about future regulations were about to take place jazzy gregg always good to have you on jess he's an activist and a writer for the daily kos one of the latest in the investigation into some law enforcement officials in minnesota they were accused of offering people mostly activists with the occupy wall street movement in minneapolis they were accused of offering them drugs and those officers apparently wanted to study the effects of drugs as part of the drug recognition evaluator program well it all came out in a documentary released last week and i want to take a look at a clip from it. he commented. that yes it will feel good when it's. easy to keep getting the serious young people who do close to dropping off thank

you if. they give you food. or you know you know if i know you really joseph for your view about this for you you were trying to craft not necessarily but yet loses this year she was to you doing. it in. the first we're going to different doctors alike go to work with one of them to leave them with something more for someone to retrieve. and i was with some of those people involved we're not showing their faces in this but as a result one state trooper has been put on paid leave the d r e program has been suspended and a full investigation now underway and one of the filmmakers who helped expose what's going on in minnesota is dan fight a journalist and occupy wall street activist dan thanks for returning to the show i guess i want to get your reaction on what your film has led to. well essentially you know we kind of think that one thing that may have happened was that an officer

in a rural town called hudgins in was you know encouraged to step forward and talk to his police chief about seeing a state trooper handing out marijuana to the subjects and as soon as that happened there is a police chief talked to the you know the state level department of public safety they started having official investigation they had to announce it and then finally got the local media rolling on the whole thing and then are you know local daily the star tribune came and said basically took credit for getting you know one of the troopers suspended because they had found out a trooper his name from one of the d r e participants so all these things really started rolling the programs been suspended and it was really cool to see that people involved with occupy and you know kind of related activist movements around town are really pushing things forward labor unions and others were occupying two intersections on nicollet mall you know late last week and when the cops were coming in with paddy wagon saying we're going to arrest you all everybody just started chanting are easy and the minneapolis police backed off the main mayor of

minneapolis r.t. ryback didn't show up at the mayday parade this weekend which he usually does and so it seems like the mayor is really feeling the heat and kind of leg out of this program and there's you know they're trying to spin what happened they're trying to blame it on a couple rogue officers and they're still not addressing the ethical issues the medical safety issues all those other things they're just trying to you know hit on a couple people and hope everybody keeps moving on wow so a little tough for some of those police to point their fingers at the occupy activists when you know their department now has a flame on this area program but let me ask in front of the people who think that the officers involved were from out of state what have you heard. yeah i mean you know the officers that were involved were rural officers the state patrol officer i believe that was suspended was someone who is stationed out of state in the state patrol and that kind of thing so this. is a statewide program but also the minneapolis mayor and the police are trying to distance themselves as much of the program as possible but if you look at our video

you can clearly see minneapolis police department cruiser leaving with one of the sort of country share of cruisers so the minneapolis police were involved but it was a statewide program and now they're just trying to hang it on a couple people well we should mention i mean this is a program that has been going on i think since the early ninety's and the point of it though is really to help officers really understand the effects of drugs to do so and to learn about it in a controlled setting we have a whole lot of people who watch our program that say you know what it's too bad this had to stop going on because some of these people they were getting free marijuana the police were learning their lessons and why is this a bad thing well i mean one thing to be certainly be concerned about one of the mothers of the d.s. has been said you know was this laced with something right like if they've already admitted that they're handing it out did they ever check the purity of that doesn't seem too likely so people are in no in danger if they're being given contaminated drugs but again also like there's the ethical level you can encourage people to be

taking any drugs. so yeah i mean i think you know the investigation that the state is having is like they're trying to keep it pretty well contained but i think it's starting to really practice question about the war on drugs the program in maryland was basically found to not really produce accurate results and we're starting to find other examples in the state where false positives in the you know examinations have been you know found to be false like they were validated so the actual accuracy of the program i think is actually moving more into question as well as obviously these are unethical practices and then we should also mention i know that i had you on last week when this video sort of hit the airwaves it's not just sort of having these activists be you know test subjects for the police there was also an exchange of information of these police were trying to get at some of them trying to say hey i'll give you more weed if you tell me what's going on in occupy if you sell out your friends or you know. lead us to to the trouble i guess talk a little bit about of that that aspect and what these comps are alleged to have

been trying to do here right well essentially the participants in the program said that they were questioned about active activities in the occupied with the leaders were that kind of thing and and since they were heavily intoxicated you know at least one of them said that he started talking about it so we see that that's the you know essentially as a training program they're trying to practice how to start getting information out of people how to start rewarding them to do to to give information but also it's really prompted a lot of questions about other weird incidences that happened across the occupy movement nationwide starting last year where in new york people that had a very extreme mental health issues were intentionally concentrated in zuccotti park by the police you know stories about you know st louis texas accent or a so so the d.r.v. is only one aspect of more troubling kind of police management strategies that were tried through the whole you know arc of this movement and i think that at least this is helped sort of force everybody to readdress that stuff to look carefully at

it to kind of repairs everything and see what happened in their own areas and and likewise them i mean hoping to encourage everyone you to can expose things like this if you record what the police are doing very carefully get your friends to you know tell everybody get these videos taken because the type of shady this that was portrayed in the in the in the video i think everybody can relate to that a lot of people have experienced shady things in the war on drugs but until you start documenting them it's hard to get traction and more and more people now have the power to document them without you know the video cameras we all have on our cellphones now appreciate you come on this out and fight journalist and occupy wall street activist thank you. well there are still about three and a half months in till the republican national convention and it's becoming clear there are still plenty of people who have not accepted mitt romney as the presumptive nominee for republicans we have seen plenty of surprises at state republican conventions in terms of ron paul winning the majority of delegates in states that originally went to romney this past weekend we also saw violence break

out between romney and paul supporters not to mention one of mitt romney's sons josh romney getting booed off the stage at the arizona republican party convention take a look. make sure that it says paid for. thank you very much are as we've been saying this for a while folks just because many people have called this race have put it to bed it's not quite time to forget about ron paul let's meet now to raven clay bow in new york pennsylvania she's a senior writer for wide awake news dot com and a contributing writer for the new america dot com raven how do you see the ron paul campaign plane as we are today it's going. our whole goal of this. campaign was to amass delegations and so we recognize that they were just popularity contests but they really didn't factor

in a whole lot when it comes down to the delegates and that's sort of what we're seeing now and. i have this was the end of the run along and when you talk about these delegates and about this being the plan we just learned just a little while ago today that the ron paul camp is actually said it will stop campaigning all together and focus only on delegates why do you think that's going on. because truthfully ron paul has been blacked out of the mainstream media and he doesn't have the opportunity for you know to get into the out into the public to get his ideas out there and so. that's really not an option for them anymore so really the focus needs to be on the delegates the delegates are the ones that will choose the entity and so that's really where they're redoing drafting their focus and that's probably the best idea and there's been a lot of talk recently about this delegate strategy about what ron paul's been doing and we saw a lot of people as you say frankly surprised over the last few weeks with ron

paul's delegate victories at some of these republican state conventions places like maine and nevada now i know we're keeping our eyes on states like michigan and minnesota but you know is this one of those things that's just going to make the romney camp more diligent in making sure this doesn't keep happening. perhaps yes there's a good chance that the republican party might rewrite the rules so that this doesn't happen again for the next election but. you know it also highlights sort of the dirty tactics of the republican party where you see them in the ron paul campaign is using their rules of the road and suddenly they don't like it and so i think that's probably what's really being highlighted here and for that reason a lot of this is definitely an effective strategy it's really interesting to me raven i mean we talk to ron paul supporters all the time but even within the ron paul camp there seems to be some disagreement about what supporters will settle for i mean for some only the nomination itself is good enough and for others you know they're happy that some of the libertarian ideals have seeped more into the

mainstream discussions within the party and on the airwaves i want to get your take on this. well that's a that's a tough call i mean personally we want to see ron paul of course get the nomination but one thing that i've heard people talk about is that maybe they'll get libertarian planks in the platform and you know the platform is a joke it's never really been regarded aged seriously so that's not enough in my opinion to achieve at the convention but the important thing is that ron paul's ideas are getting out there and that's really the that with the biggest the most important thing ron paul says elections are temporary revolutions are long term and that's what this is all about the revolution of the liberty doctrine and us restoring our nation and our constitutional republic and that's the most important thing and that's really what i want to see happen and i guess i'm curious on how you see this revolution in its next stages i know i don't get too ahead of ourselves but after the republican national convention in august there's a little more than two months before the election i mean what do ron paul

supporters especially some of those who are most enthusiastic one of them do during those two months assuming that romney becomes the nominee do they take their enthusiasm or their energy to go fight for romney or is it something else. now romney is not an option if you are and a real ron paul supporter romney is not there's no such thing is a second please this is ron paul or nothing a lot of people right and but that it's important to focus not just on the national politics but in your local politics as well libertarian ideas really need to be put in place everywhere not just at the national level and that's really an important thing and we're seeing that snow at the local level there is more libertarian than running for office and those ideas are spreading and in addition to that there's other sort of political thing i generate that that libertarians can get involved in after the national election you know the bad ballot access laws need to be changed a lot of states and so there's lots of places that they can refocus their attention and that's i guess my last question i mean it's kind of to playing off where you're

talking about i mean we have seen the states of iowa and alaska now they're. republican parties are now led by people who identify themselves most as you know ron paul republicans. will there be other other race of other specific local races that you're hearing about that some of the supporters are already sort of delving into well i know in my state in pennsylvania we have a lot of ground campaign people that are looking to get on the republican party maybe isn't that important as we can as you're seeing that play out on you see that that's a really important thing is to be but like i said at the local level you can get involved in anything you may all races gubernatorial races and so it's not let's not lose focus on the bigger picture here this is not just about the presidency or the executive branch but it reaches all levels and certainly no matter where after the republican convention after the election in november.