sound any tunes mission to teach the creation of mind should care about humans and . this is why you should care only. five thirty pm in moscow these here are the headlines greece on the verge of collapse it's scrambling to create a caretaker government before holding another election next month and the anger has put the country into a stall and its future in the euro is more in the balance than a week trial starts a former bosnian serb general ratko melodic for alleged genocide and crimes against humanity prosecutor same wattage led an ethnic cleansing campaign during the yugoslav war in the one nine hundred ninety s. . changing children who are taught to hate a school in israel stands out in class by teaching jewish and arab kids both sides of the story but it's

a tough battle to surmount generations of stereotypes that have previously filled the textbooks. up next to a portrait of an american jewish academic and political firebrand who sees himself as a beacon of moral truth in the israeli palestine conflict that's coming up next. you know the famous joke. a journalist goes around them asks a russian of oh and it's really the same question he first goes to the russian excuse me what's your opinion of the meat shortage the russian says what's in the pinion. the reporter then goes to the pope excuse me what's your opinion of the meat shortage the pogos what meat. you gave goes to the israeli excuse me what's your opinion of the meat shortage these really replies what's excuse me. norman finkelstein speaks for

no one but himself and a handful of people who have such hatred for america if you came is in the first credit card should that if a person walked in the streets of london going to treat people he could probably be killed before he met. every single member of my family on both sides was exterminate both of my parents who are in the world can know i thrive. on it for my family and exactly because of the refuse my parents for me and might simply and i will not be fighting with israel commits its crimes against the palestinian.

norman finkelstein is a professor of political science has been at the center of numerous heated academic and political disputes the week. who has ever managed to stifle you look at you there's a plethora of books out there the rise and fall of palestine the holocaust industry reflections on the exploitation of jewish suffering beyond what's been. you didn't increase the debate hasn't been stifled it's all. too much time has

a way in some dusty room on able to speak. today a debate and a new book called the case for israel it's by alan dershowitz who is one of the nation's foremost appellate lawyers felix frankfurter professor of law at harvard law school and why don't we start with you laying out the thesis of your latest book the case for israel well i want to write a progressive liberal case for the two state solution which i think that most israelis favor and have favored for a long time i argue in the book that no country in history faced with comparable threats both external and internal has ever tried so hard to comply with the rule of law i compare israel favorably to the united states in this regard norman

finkelstein your response i was asked to comment in the sky whose new book i went home purchased one copy in fact i purchased two copies i read the book very carefully i did with what someone serious does. with the book. i read the text i went through the footnotes i went through it very carefully and there's only one conclusion one can reach having read the book and this is a scholarly judgment it's not an ad hominum attack mr dershowitz has concocted a fraud. my parents were survivors of knobs and. sometimes i was afraid. because. i thought it was going to be like opening up this new skates everything is going to come out and i wouldn't be able

to handle it. did no one know. my first involvement publicly in the israel palestine conflict was the israeli invasion of loving each one to. be a statement or do you know somewhere around twenty thousand palestinians. overwhelmingly civilians were killed. and so i started to read for a short sleeve on israel palestine. so now i have both the event and the scholarly commitment and then obviously i'm

jewish so i had a personal commitment and the three came together. as i went back to the occupied territories during the first intifada i went to live with a couple pounds to the families in. developed enduring relationships. norman was always a very political person even in tenth grade eleventh grade he was always very political he was probably more political than anybody that i knew with the time and we were many of us very political beings being against the war in vietnam was very was that was involved that was the thing to do but norman was truly was

truly against it. you know i could understand why you weren't torn apart by what the u.s. is doing you know nothing seems to help you know the real cruel things to the russians of being insane or from my parents i got the moral commitment but when i got from professor chomsky was a way to articulate it intellectually without losing the passion and commitment it was a way to do both well i met him. the time he was a graduate student he was a graduate student at princeton. in the middle east department working on the history zionism and i thought at time a book appeared to draw on peter's book from time immemorial which was receiving an enormous praises everywhere under it's

a lot of theory reviews the greatest thing that's chocolate ice cream. the full force completely preposterous and worthless the book said that there were no palestinians in palestine until the zionists came along and made the desert bloom and then the palestinians began to arrive to palestine it was the book that was a no value whatsoever it simply recycled very old and stale israeli propaganda but it was the book that american jews wanted to have because it completely whitewashed israel. and the book was a huge success and received every accolade in america until norman finkelstein wrote

a longer view article in which he exposed the spurious scholarship behind the book and i send out my findings to like twenty five people tied them up. and then one side or the morning i got a quote from professor chomsky you know this is noam chomsky and he said i read your findings and they saw the right to me i mean is going to be controversial in a generally it isn't but there are certain issues in certain subjects where debate can be difficult. this book is the holocaust industry and norman finkelstein the author of welcome to you thank you for having me controversial and i can't not use words mean over you i

mean i i i. i. you. know many things that i don't buy i don't even know so that all of us i remain faithful. to the horrendous suffering of my parents yet the nazi how the course has ceased to be a source of morrow or historical miten and it has become a straight out a distortion racket i have full of american jews have a fact of holy hijacked the nazi holocaust for the last mayo europe.

these how local and tough there's have to be one of them a phone or. an anti semitism in europe as well as the main perpetrators of the nile i do slightly disagree with the tone of us was what a discussion about hers because i do feel that remember a specially organized broome's is costly it doesn't just hack it isn't just done by volunteer. there is no avoid something like it organization that we call that. this is not about some construction of memory this is about people using

history for their political purposes. there is no new anti semitism this is pure fabrication there is a creation of a new anti semitism to serve the same purpose as was used for the past twenty years the holocaust industry to divert attention from what's being done to the palestinians so everybody is talking about the new anti semitism instead of what's being done to the palestinians. and the wonderful inversion to her israel and its supporters and to the victims and her and the palestinians and their supporters into the victimizer turning reality wholly on its head.

my grandmother did not like that because. it is afraid. and she was very cold. she felt. i was frankenstein's monster in this case finkelstein sometimes. i had taken her to literally. take it too much to heart. and. she felt i was destroying myself. and david you wrote a book called the holocaust industry the whole point of the parish council to

trivialise i am not blocking the whole point of the book was to trivialize to minimalize jewish suffering that took place in the holocaust that has nothing to do with the conflict it's going on in the middle east the only thing that it dies is it adds to the tension on campus he made his entire career is based on. his speech last week. we're going to respect i'm an old timer i know how deeply frustrating it can be when you're sitting in the audience and somebody goes on for an hour and a half saying things that you find i've only utterly loathed some repulsive and

also you think factually incorrect and. i think i think people should have more than sixty seconds as well as leave it to the patience of the audience when you feel it's going on too long you know how to express your disapproval otherwise they should be allowed to go on. your speech you made a lot of references to jewish people as well as certain people in your audience not just people in general but certain people especially in your audience to not see you know that is extremely offensive when certain people. and they're also extremely offensive to people who actually suffered under nazi rule i don't respect that anymore i really don't i don't like and i don't respect the crocodile here. the crocodile here.

i love to finish and i'm only here on my meat is very very certain. allow me to finish. i don't like the way i don't like the way before an audience the holocaust card but since now i feel ok now i feel compelled to. write i'm a farmer well our. tomorrow tomorrow raise shylock thank you i'm very proud of what her out. my mate my brother where from my time a hyphen french repaired every single member of my family and my father in law i. was trying. to get the father was at auschwitz

concentration throughout my my mother was in my prime concentration camp every single member of my family on both drive was exterminated both of my former who of course i know are rising. profile and exactly the crux of the refuse my parents taught me and my proof simply that i will not be silent when israel commits its crimes against the palestinians i consider nothing more open. to you very suffering and very well we're going to try to justify not work you're not brutal was very human become a member much of the threat is really very clear it's a guy close to the and so i really do you know and the longer could be him a day or browbeaten by peer if you had you know you would be crying

for the palestinians not. norman finkelstein is a classic anti-semite. invokes the oldest stereotypes against the jews if he were not a jew that is she i don't think he is a jew he is as someone once put it he's jewish only on his parents' side. if he were not a jewish person or a person of jewish heritage with a name like finkelstein nobody would have any doubt that he was an anti-semite it's only because he's jewish sometimes i feel that it's suffocating to be suddenly a jew hating you no good to be critical of israel. many israelis are critical of israeli policies many israelis are. anti zionist even i have no problem with people challenging and critiquing zionism israel israeli policy i would never call a person who merely did that anti-semitic what pincus name does goes well beyond

that. thank. you israel question whatever you feel about the justice or injustice of the establishment of the state of israel whatever you think about that that's a historical question there is now a current political question all of the palestinians are the palestinians and hobbled to their self their term in the nation there are two people living in doubt when one people have the full rights of statehood in any percent of the land and the people who occupied that land for several thousand years consecutively are being there not their right to self-determination in twenty percent of their

homeland thank you thank you. i don't entirely agree with the previous speaker. this is the israeli palestinian conflict he says the israeli palestinian front all the out of this whole conflict the wall street journal general school down the hill goes to pakistan. to do some story on islamic extremists he has kidnapped now they kidnapped him because he was an american journalist of the overview sleep like all american journalist he must be a cia agent. who also kidnapped him they discovered the whole world school who's a jew. and as

a matter of fact taking this be an israeli they go so so i did about it. but i made him confess on camera. speaking to video camera cops not unlike this one forced him to to fess up camera eye on the jew the son of the jew us and then they slit his throat. the people who did that have been stopped it is really checked for people do that probably never saw an israeli. no matter what the roots of this call it. we've evolved into a situation in which a large segments of the world. it's hard work in the western world and semitism is almost vanished in this classical sense large sections of the world and fit in fact it is something that's almost indistinguishable from them to satisfy the entire world community say between one in six states depending on the vote the entire

world community believes that the palestinians should have their right to self-determination and twenty percent of their homeland is real and united states are denying them that right it's as simple as that and you can drag in that conservatism the holocaust daniel pearl and everything else but it can change the fundamental facts the fundamental facts are these the entire world community supports a two state settlement along the june one thousand nine hundred sixty seven borders israel in the united states the chief rejectionists in the world are opposed to it . many issues with mr finkelstein's position but chief among them is his notion that really this cut this situation which has persisted in the middle east for decades really comes down to something very simple it's all the fault of the israelis but i think there are a number of reasons that could explain this for instance popularity with those

individuals who support the palestinian side of the middle east question first is with. a well read and they take to it spokesperson of their cause said in the bow and i have to really be quite candid here the fact of the matter is that norman finkelstein is a member of the jewish community and have a member of the jewish community speak out against the state of israel because his words a certain cachet that a non jew or a palestinian spokesperson would simply would not have. to say of course were about israel. let's be clear about one thing in my view israelis have the right to be there they have the right exercise self-determination in. what's his star power i have no question in my mind about that and i have many friends who live there many people

who i deeply respect i have no interest whatsoever in playing this game of bashing israel that's not my thing but but allow me the blood for those of you who are snickering but just as it would be shameful shameful for any german during world war two to give a lecture singing the praises of germany and just as during the us war in vietnam for me to sing the praises of the us. amid the hower and amid the suffering i'm not going to sing the praises of israel when the war was over when palestinians have equal rights when there is justice they're very happy to join along with everybody in singing israel's accomplishments and criticizing its faults but not

while and when it's torturing the palestinian thank you all. the final question. for you visit late much less. completely. stay here. we do have the problem but every time and effort is may on the palestinian or the europeans to negotiate an end to the violent attacks against israel which i have no fear at all calling terrorist so long as you have no fear calling the leader of the state of israel one of the main terrorists in the world with me i thought.

sure was that so much you'd be really thinking maybe because a lot of people here in minneapolis think. is this what is happening to american jews and the sheeple american jews may indeed be more liberal.

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