we. move over jackson five these days activists are seen out against the trans-pacific partnership we'll give you five good reasons why you should be concerned about this international trade agreement that's been planned in secret. and say free that's because police filming police in illinois against the law to a class one a felony for now but u.s. court of appeals might have something to say about that the first amendment versus the war on cameras and we'll tell you all about it. plus they might just be the most powerful organization of the twenty first century according to some and no one

new survey are all part of the mystery and allure surrounding a computer hacktivist group known as anonymous in this digital age understanding cyberspace is a tool and a weapon will give you an up close look at this uncanny club. it's wednesday may sixteenth four pm in washington d.c. i'm having martin you're watching our t.v. if you heard there was an international trade agreement between nine countries being drafted behind closed doors would you want to know the details well it's exactly what's been happening it's called the trans-pacific partnership and it's a trade agreement between chile australia bernie new zealand peru singapore malaysia vietnam and the united states and what better way to explain it then in a song take a look. now

t.p. spokespeople said that it will tear down previous barriers and raise international standards but critics say differently i said it will compromise food safety create multiple listing drug patents which will lead to more expensive medicine allow millions of american jobs to be off shored cause financial deregulation and impede net neutrality more disturbing the other over six hundred corporate advisers on the t.p. the negotiations between corporations and nation states are happening in secret or public and consumer advocates are left out in the dark but activists aren't letting the agreement go down without a fight take a look at this this is t.p. p.t.p. that they installed in the hotel bathroom is where the negotiations are being held

a little light reading for the bathroom it's their way of saying that the agreement isn't even worth the paper it's printed on. well let's look at the bigger picture here well this new agreement really break down needed barriers or the public's interest being the ones who are traded away and what's with all the secrecy joining me now for more as melinda st louis she's the international campaign's director of public citizen. hey melinda so you know you have trade representative saying it's necessary to be deliberate in these in secret to make sure that their you know everything is hammered out properly do you disagree with that we do disagree because this is an agreement that this deal if concluded would would have ramifications for the public at large in the united states and in all of the countries that are part of it and very little of it actually has to do with tariffs and trade there are two two of the chapters that have to do with trade in the rest have to do with other other aspects of our life public health environmental safety and so forth and so we believe it's very important for us to be part of seeing what

is actually being negotiated to be able to provide analysis and to make it actually be a good agreement is this would you say of the trade agreement is more secretive than others in the past would you say that this is a growing trend or kind of hash out these things more secretively well there certainly are examples of of agreements that are open are lest less secretive than this one in fact the the free trade area of the americas which is an agreement that was being negotiated in the early two thousand had a draft text release the world trade organization regularly publishes draft text so so it doesn't need to be the secretive and there is a lot of precedent for them to to make it much less secretive than it is so to be clear you guys got a hold of a draft from last year and you guys haven't seen the new negotiations that they've been we actually only there was a leaked chapter only on intellectual property that's the only chapter that has leaked in the whole process there are twenty six chapters being negotiated so it's

actually much more secretive in the past there have been other types of leaks this is been. lockdown and in fact the negotiating partner signed a memorandum of understanding saying they wouldn't release any draft text until four years after the negotiations were completed or after the deal came into effect which is which is absolutely appalling to us so let's talk about the problems with what's being negotiated let's talk about the drug and food safety aspects of the bill can you elaborate on why people should be concerned about well well as i mentioned there was a leaked chapter and it was about intellectual property and what intellectual property in this in the tepee means the u.s. tabled a proposal that would expand patents for for drug monopolies so this is really a wish list of big pharma of the pharmaceutical companies to be able to extend patents beyond what is currently agreed to an international forum like the like the world trade organization so they want to extend patents beyond the twenty years

they already have to make which would mean that generic drugs drug companies would have would not be able to enter the market which is what depresses prices so in a lot of ways you see this is actually not free trade at all in fact it's actually making more and more monopolies so that drug companies can keep drug prices high let's talk about the six hundred corporate advisers that are involved in these negotiations i mean that is very concerning to know that there are these corporate entities working with the nation states to draft certain policies i mean is that just to increase their bottom line do we have any idea who these corporate people are and are they members of the pharmaceutical industry and drug and food and we do we know who they are they're actually published on the u.s. trade representative's website the u.s. trade representative has has cleared advisers that are able to view text they're able to provide input and the vast majority of them are our corporations there are a few public labor and environmental organizations that are part of it but it's six

hundred versus thirty so you can imagine what we're actually looking at in the rest of the public is completely kept in the dark and the. chapter that you talked about dealing with intellectual property privacy laws and the encroachment of you know impeding the net and all of these things the intellectual privacy ad activists are being concerned about let's talk about that i mean what would that look like i mean so open people didn't pass but it seems like this would almost open up a whole new international you know reaching government well well exactly and people were defeated in the u.s. congress because activists around the country saw what was actually being negotiated in the bills and said we will not accept this and so what you see now and that's what we're concerned about overall with the t p p and these trade deals is it's a back door way of these corporations to get things they actually can't get through our democratic process so so we know through leaked chapters through through the leaks that what they're trying to push is. would would increase copyright

protections for poor content owners and would would decrease the ability for people to have a free internet it would. it would police individual encroachers on copyright the same as if they were large scale copyright. and you know criminals and so i mean it really and and the types of copies that need to be created on files just so that you can use them for personal loot use those would be banned through that so they would they would be able to start charging more and more for all the types of content that you can that you have access to on the internet and and in very concerning lee again this is this is being negotiated behind closed doors right. seems to me like a democrats and republicans across the board they keep urging you know buy american this has been this nationalistic kind of talking point for so long and you see it the buy american act in one thousand thirty three what happened i mean this this

talk about how this is going to actually overstep that as well right there's a chapter on it's called government procurement and what that means. is it actually tells us what we can do with our our taxpayer dollars when our government is is buying goods and services for our schools for for for those types of things and basically what it would mean is it would mean that we have to treat all of the t.p. countries the same as america and buy american so when we say buy american that would also be by vietnam it would also be by malaysia and so that's that's what we know is in these agreements they've been in past agreements and now we're actually trying to expand that to all of these countries and it goes directly in contradiction with what president obama is talking about when he talks about wanting to really reinvest in american manufacturing so obama has overseen this all happen well this is these are these are trade negotiators that many of them are carry overs from past administrations and they're just continuing the same line and with the with the corporate advisors that have been there always so certainly with

you know the overstepping of the buy american act we will see shipping of hundreds of thousands of jobs overseas and it's definitely something to be aware of and keep posted on thank you so much for coming on in the st louis international campaigns director for public citizen. the first amendment is the bedrock of u.s. liberty and s.s.a. to keep a check on power has been proven time and time again with the continued use of unwarranted police force and brutality the surveillance cameras constantly filming us should citizens have the right to film police i mean after all they are public servants on public property right well not if illinois has anything to say about it the state's already made videotaping police illegal and under an antiquated eavesdropping act it's a first class felony to record audio of police officers while on duty it could mean as many as fifteen years behind bars recently the u.s. court of appeals for the seventh circuit issued an injunction against the illinois law stating it's a violation of the first amendment yay for free i'm on fortunately some of the

judges serving on the seventh circuit disagree with the injunction and have stated they find no violations whatsoever so who's going to win the free press battle and it's going to be a growing trend nationwide jacob sullum is the director senior editor for reason dot com and joins me now from our. jacob you've been writing about this can you tell us a little update about what's happening in illinois with this act well it's actually the worst in the country when it comes to restricting people's ability to record a look at visuals in public places is really unique in terms of both the restrictions and the severity of potential punishment and it's been under challenge in state court and in federal court a couple of state court judges recently found that it was unconstitutional and now you see that the seventh circuit is inclined to agree they haven't actually made a final ruling but they issued a preliminary injunction which means they think that the show you which is challenging the law has a good chance of prevailing and in the meantime they're barring prosecutors from

prosecuting it one long and boring at least from arresting people under the law do you think that the injunction would possibly be lifted. no i think that the a.c.l.u. will probably win this case another circuit has already found the first circuit in a case involving the massachusetts law which was similar in some respects to the illinois law that you have a first amendment right to record police officers when they're performing their do their jobs in public there was a guy who was arrested in boston because he recorded in the rest it was in progress he thought that excessive force was being used so he took out a cell phone and cell phone to document that then he got arrested and so and he was charged among other things with with eavesdropping or the equivalent in massachusetts and those charges were ultimately thrown out but then he sued saying they should never arrest him to begin with and the federal appeals court there greets and now you're going to it looks like we're going to have two circuits agreeing that there is a first amendment right to record police in places and other states don't have laws

or anything like that you should know that that in most states you do have a clear right to do this even the police may not realize that the police may arrest people for the slayer without realizing what the law actually says in most places in the united states you do have a clear right to report police officers in public places so you're talking about massachusetts and i know maryland trying to pass a bill as well i mean are there any states right now with a law on the books that make it illegal using this antiquated and dropping act to film police those are really the last two remaining states that have a statute that specifically prohibits it and some other places police officers might interpret the law or misinterpret the law to apply in that situation but if you go to court and challenge those charges in all likelihood get them thrown out. jake i'm you know there are some protesters and here we are nato is coming up this weekend and this draco in legislation is an alan noir i know that there's an injunction against and it's not in the books yet. more is but there is an

injunction but you know these protesters cut these cops on film saying you know we said in sixty eight a billy club to the f. in scole what are people supposed to do i mean cops are making these direct threats against protesters i mean how are they suppose it's supposed to be held accountable if if there's this chilling effect kind of against filming on right i mean that's the problem obviously and this is the a.c.l.u. what they were trying to do is simply observe police at events like pro you know protests and make sure that they behave properly and if they misbehave they wanted to be able to document it but they were afraid they would be arrested simply for trying to do that so that's why they've all filed this lawsuit and even if ultimately people prevail in these cases on constitutional grounds you still have the problem the police don't understand the law or don't care about the law and will nevertheless arat caressed you because you're doing something that you're right to do there's no way to completely avoid that but you should be aware of what their rights actually are under the law in whatever state they happen to be in and they shouldn't you know try to get into

a fight about it but they should be aware of the fact that despite the fact that they have a right to do this police may try to stop them and make use them of committing a crime and then down the line they can challenge that you know the arrest if that's what happens we have an article on our website a month or two ago about seven rules for recording the police which gives you some tips about how to do it and you have the technology and how to avoid getting into so any kind of violent confrontation with the police and you know how do you how to step back so that you make sure that you're not interfering with their with them informing their duties that they want to use you of that group so that's worth looking at it's on our website reason dot com for people who are interested in trying to monitor the place in public or are document jake and it only jacob it almost seems like just a desperate now. azure being taken by these national police forces because i mean everyone has a camera now every cell phone has a camera and everyone can just take it out and film they can live stream and tell the truth as it's happening who's lobbying for these bills to pass i mean it's

a picture speaks a thousand words you see the oscar grant case now the kelly thomas case i mean is there some sort of massive lobbying from some industry to pass these or do you think it's just kind of you know like desperate measures from police force to really cover up the abuse well i think the police are inclined to resist these developments they're not they have not quite adjusted to this new reality that they can be documented anytime anyplace by anybody who happens to be carrying a sofa you know for obvious reasons a lot of police are on easy about that and therefore what you see like i said is more than the actual laws that damned if you have police who either think a lot of bands or they take it upon themselves to stop you they don't want to be recording that only watching of course this is a ridiculous double standard because they have every right to record you and in illinois particular the law it was amazing because the law said police had a right to record you during there and it's you you have no right to record them furthermore if you if you eavesdrop on just an ordinary citizen the maximum penalty is three years but if you do it if you record

a cop or another law enforcement official the maximum penalty was fifteen years you know so what kind of message does that send to people when you're saying if you dare to try to monitor public officials who were inferior working for you then you can be charged with a felony and sent to prison for fifteen years you know as i think i think that is on its way out i think that's what you're saying is sort of the last gasp of resistance to this new reality right i'd is interesting to be threatened with a prison sentence comparable to rapists just for filming a public servant and even instances on some people's personal property so it is very interesting i will definitely keep an eye on these laws essential to the first amendment that was jake of solomon at senior editor for reason dot com. be sure to tune in to our team this friday and monday annual nato summit is being held in chicago this weekend and yesterday nato sent a form of the taishan to pakistanis president. inviting him to join in on the meetings and where war is being discussed you can bet there will be protests and

mass protests are expected over the weekend and r.t. correspondent churkin will bring you the very latest. still ahead on our team to some they are heroes to other villains the computer hackers group anonymous has gotten a lot of attention lately but no one seems to know exactly who this group is and what it stands for we'll tell you what we know about the group and ask if this is really indeed the most powerful on loan organization in the world. a client of american power continues. things are so bad might actually be time for a revolution. and it turns out that a popular drinker starbucks rather surprising him greedier.

welcome to the capital account i'm lauren lyster. they've been called everything from freedom fighters to cyber terrorists yep we're talking about anonymous the infamous hacktivist group that has the government shaking in their boots with their shutdowns of some of the most secure government websites now one of the self-proclaimed members of the leaders of this organization has fled to canada to escape federal hacking charges his alias is commander and in some recent interviews he's made some startling claims he says that anonymous may very well be the most powerful organization on earth and that the group of fifty thousand members

worldwide has access to every classified database in the u.s. government so are these claims overblown as anonymous really as much of a threat as the government has been hyping all along to talk more about this i'm joined by great house internet activist and c.e.o. of the locals as c.e.o. company greg you're loosely affiliated with anonymous what do you think about these claims that commander x. has made i think is a pretty boisterous pretty vocal guy you know a lot of people have taken the claims what i'll say is a bit out of context you know reading the full comment that he made there he finishes it up with saying that he's talking about geeks and hackers and you know everyone who's in control of data he's not necessarily referring to the group just meeting an anonymous user furring to all of us technical people who happen to control the data which in this day and age really controls the world you have a great he also says that these people in these organizations have willingly given anonymous the information and that you know they've they've kind of released it to

them. i mean he does say that he actually does and that's not something that's have been multiple times in the past so so no really how far along that is in the u.s. government i'm not sure but a prime example would be you know during the arab spring in tunisia when the attacks were going on against those networks instead of a lot of the nonce having to break into those networks the people the you know hackers the people who actually worked for the government there on those networks showed up and handed anonymous the passwords and usernames to get into those networks and to get into those databases that were used to take down a lot of the communications they've been all he had and that same type of person works in those same positions here in our government too so to assume that they're not going to do the same thing is i think wrong i think you will find people in those positions which i would consider positions of great power at this point willing to give up that type of information to people who they think are doing the

right thing ok let's let's talk about commander ags and also saying you know how anonymous is the most powerful organization in the world potentially do you think that these claims i mean aren't they just going to let the government take this and run with it i mean the government's already trying to pass this track kone in cyber terrorism legislation and take away net neutrality and really impede our freedoms there i mean do you think this is just kind of eighteen their whole talking point on cyber terrorism and the threat of it it's a huff tough one to argue against you know you make a very valid point there that at some point you know the rhetoric might need to be dialed back a little but you know you also have to be convincing and you know tell the true story of things you know whether it's. going to help the government or not in some situations he's got to say what he believes to be true and he honestly believes what he said there so you know you just got to run with it i think that the power is currently in the hands of the people who really control the data when it comes

to the types of stuff you are ferrying to so it's some point it's pretty powerful the most powerful organization in the world is i think going a bit far you know i'm going to agree with most of you out there that that was overstepping of you but you know there is a lot of power to be had just through having control of this data so he's not he's not considerably wrong he also says that you know the killing of innocents and a lot of the what people have seen with the with the wiki leaks releases is the least of it and he said you know once we see the true extent of what the u.s. government has been doing we're going to change our tune i mean what's anonymous waiting for how come they don't just release the stuff i mean it's now or never. you'd be surprised at how much thought is being put into a lot of the things they've come across you know and talking to some of them you would assume through other actions that have been done by you know or supposedly by anonymous that data would just be dumb no thought behind it right on time but you

know of late you've seen people who have gotten a hold of you know this type of information and actually take a step back and think about the ripple effects the ramifications of that data getting out and you know who it might affect and in some cases the effect is much stronger against the citizens against the people than it is against any government or corporation and they've thought twice about releasing it so some of the data is just being combed through to you know consider who it would hurt the most and deciding whether it's going to be released or not and i think that's a good swing i think that's heading in the right direction it just seems like you know in the face of this police state someone call it and these crackdowns against occupy i mean it just seems like what are we really waiting for i mean let's get the ball rolling here why doesn't honest is just taken around of that but i want to shift gears really quickly and and kind of dovetail office and talk about who of law who was you know came out later that he was an f.b.i. informant all along or not all along but for many months and he compromised

a lot of other hack hacktivists in the organization i mean when you look at this a loose organization do you think that a lot of it is compromised by the f.b.i. . i think that you have to assume that any i receive channel you join that purports to be anything related to anonymous is going to have a federal agent in it i mean being that all of them are so open and so transparent that anyone can join you know that you know what we'll call the spooks the bad guys have joined and they're sitting there watching just as you are so you know everyone who does this and takes part needs to consider that in anything they do on those networks and i'm not saying don't go there i'm just saying be very careful about how you act and how you protect your identity and greg i just want to talk about the whole cyber terrorism debate where government officials have come out more and more even americans are saying that they're more scared of cyber terrorism than actual terrorism now and they've said that it's not a matter of if but when there will be an enormous cyber terrorist attack in this

country i mean how do we know that that won't just be a false flag by our own government. oh we don't i mean i would actually assume that it would be at this point but you know maybe i'm a bit extreme for my view there but i will say you know as a prime example of what you just said there is the and i say when they came out and said that you know anonymous and all these hackers were going to go after the power grid an interesting twist to that was that a year before they had put forth a proposal to get the security of the national power grid here in america all under a centralized control under them or some new you know government body that would control the security of those networks and it really fell on deaf ears congress sent you know the house they really ignored it and didn't want to want to do it and it is very interesting and the threats keep coming from the government about this issue so we'll keep an eye on that that was great house internet activist and c.e.o. of local as c.e.o. company thanks capital account is up next on our team so let's check in with lauren

lyster to see what's on today's agenda what's up lauren hey abby did you know what today is it is world debt day and this is a day recognized in a number of countries it's geared towards forgiving debt and developing nations poor nations that all monies to rich nations we're going to ask how about the campaign around canceling debt for developed nations because that's where we see all these problems as the u.s. is headed toward what looks like another debt ceiling showdown and as greek banks this is staggering they have seen one point two billion euro fully from the banking system just since we began this week on monday abby it's a really really startling issue we're going to talk about all of it thanks so much us in going to every day marks another day here in america that does it for now for more on the stories we covered go to youtube dot com slash r.t. america or check out our web site r t v dot com slash usa and you can also follow me on twitter you martin.

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