oh that's. ok. that's a nice way to tell the truth about the transpacific partnership something that's opening the doors to international trade but slamming american workers window of opportunity shut we'll tell you why you should care about the secret deal. plus they just might be the most powerful organization of the twenty first century yet no one knows who they are it's all part of the mystery in a lures surrounding the computer hacking group known as anonymous in this digital age understanding cyberspace is a tool and a weapon with you know close look at this uncanny club. and say free that's because filming police in illinois is against the law possibly as

a class one felony for now and us a court of appeals might have something to say about that the first amendment versus the war on cameras and we'll tell you all about it. wednesday may sixteenth seven pm in washington d.c. now the martin you're watching r.t. if you heard there was an international trade agreement between nine countries being drafted behind closed doors would you want to know the details well it's exactly what's happening it's called the trans-pacific partnership and it's a trade agreement between chile australia new zealand peru singapore malaysia vietnam and the united states and what better way to explain it then a song take a look.

it's. all about. now t.v. spokespeople said that the t.p. people tear down previous barriers and raise international standards but critics say it will compromise food safety create monophyletic drug patents which will lead to more expensive medicine allow millions of american jobs to be shipped off shore cause financial deregulation and impede net neutrality more disturbingly there are over six hundred corporate advisors on the t.v. pete the negotiations between corporations and nation states are all happening in secret well the public and consumer advocates are left out in the dark but activists aren't letting this agreement go down without a fight take a look at this. this is t.p. p.t.p. that they installed in the hotel bathrooms where the negotiations are being held a little light reading for the bathroom it's just their way of saying that the

agreement isn't even worth the paper it's printed on but let's look at the bigger picture here though well this new agreement really break down needed barriers or the public's interests the ones who are being traded away and what's with all the secrecy joining me now from ours myra sutton international intellectual property court nater at e f f hey myra so how do you know we're in a global economy isn't free trade with with international community is a good thing. well actually our organization only is concerned with one of those chapters on the t.v. p. as you said covers a broad range of issues from agriculture to textiles to medicine but yes that is concerned with intellectual property chapter that has many concerning provisions including civil penalties for copyright infringement that could lead to one hundred fifty thousand dollars penalty for one instance of infringement it could also lead to imprisonment jail time for infringement if someone were to be found to directly

or indirectly benefit from. fringe mn it also prevents. many instances of anti circumvention so many products have locks on them to prevent piracy but one most of those locks don't prevent piracy and to prevent schoolteachers visually impaired people from being able to use the products that they. that they bought and they purchased my resists allow other countries to you know authorize them to use these these penalties against americans for copyright. well actually most of the penalty is already exist in the u.s. but as we see actually tomorrow that is going to a rule making hearing that allows us to extend exceptions and limitations on. such digital locks and. technological protection measures but. what it

what it does do for the u.s. is that it creates an international standard that the u.s. could point to and say hey look these are international norms for copyright we don't need to question our domestic copyright policy so one of the auspices of free trade and this whole thing they're kind of using the same tactics or that they were proposing in the soap and people bills is that right pretty much yes so talk a little bit about the corporate advisers to today's i mean are there telecommunication industry advisers involved in drafting these negotiations. not telecommunications companies that we know of but definitely the recording in association of america the motion picture association of america and and they and they are closely tied to the negotiation part that's for example in february they had their negotiation meeting in a luxury hotel in beverly hills and civil society members who reserved

a hotel room and reserved a restaurant to hold these events for stakeholders to learn about what the problems are that we find of the keeping the hotel council and those reservations on us due to confidentiality but at the same time not later that week film executives set up a multi hour tour for these stakeholders to go to these movie studios to look at their facilities so you know there's there's a lot of ways in which the u.s. t.r. which is the u.s. trade representative office that is organizing the t.v. and drafting the t.p. is beholden to these private corporate industry now i have to say that i don't think a lot of people even know that this is happening in the t.v. p. it seems like it's kind of out of the public radar i mean why do you think that is such a huge issue and like you're saying i mean it's definitely going to. infringe on

our neutral internet. well we're working on it. i think that video that you showed actually dropped last week it was created by a public citizen i think such videos and graphics are really effective. in targeting the public in and hitting them in the heart and get them to understand that this is a very powerful trade agreement that is really starting democratic processes and starting you know what we find true in dear about our democratic process of making legislation an agreement so i think people should be in period. you know it just seems like this is a perfect example of corporate strong holding over nation states i mean we see this time and time again where there's so much collusion passing through these things and things kind of been drafted in secret i mean what are the chances of this passing do we really have a chance to a halt this or revise some of the more scary provisions in it. well.

our tactic now is to pressure congress or us congress to call for transparency in this agreement and and to stop efforts right now to create a and actually to renew this fast track. provision that allows such trade agreements to fast track through congress within ninety days one expired in two thousand and seven but they're trying to renew it again so that the p.p. can just go through congress without them questioning being able to question or change the agreement at all so it's really up to the public to be aware and to pressure their representatives against getting letting this trade agreement passed there where is there anyone in congress who's a who's on your side in saying way wait a minute this is this is pretty crazy let's let's take a look at this before assuring this through yes representative ron kirk and

actually darrell issa just released the leaked february two thousand and eleven tax on his form called keep the web open and although it's not the current dropped it it creates a good model for what we'd like to see with the t p p and what corporate rights with a t p p establish. corporate rights well the whole agreement would be yeah. so. just in a nutshell it seems like a lot of different industries have a lot invested in this and we'll definitely be keeping an eye on this and keep the battle right here on mt and be following. progress thank you so much myra was myra sutton international intellectual property coordinator at e f f still ahead on r t to some they're heroes to others villains the computer hacking group anonymous has gotten a lot of attention lately and no one seems to know exactly who this group is and

what it stands for we'll tell you what we know about the group and ask if this is the most powerful online organization in the world. r t is the state run english speaking russian channel it's kind of like. russia today has an extremely confrontational stance when it comes to us. we just put a picture of me when i was like nine years old only true. confession

. and. he was kind of a yesterday. i'm very of the world with its place. that just burns your eyes right right i mean it's like a derivative of actual pepper it's a product essentially. much stronger than anything it's. thousands of times stronger than any kind of. what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to

break through it's already been made can you trust no one will be. do it with a global missionary see where we had a state controlled capitalism is called fascism when nobody dares to ask we do our tea question more. they've been called everything from freedom fighters to cyber terrorists yes we're talking about anonymous the infamous hacktivist group that has the government shaking in their boots with their shutdowns of some of the most secure government websites now one of the self-proclaimed members of the leaderless organization has fled to canada to escape federal hocking charges his alias is commander and in some recent interviews he's made some startling claims he says that anonymous may very well be the most powerful organization on earth and that the group of fifty thousand members worldwide have access to every classified database in the u.s. government source claims overblown or is anonymous really as much of

a threat as the government's been hyping it to be all along here to answer that more is vigilante on the run commander x. himself i asked him how he doesn't know if he's really a member of a group that's supposed to remain anonymous check it out. well. that's not actually my fault you could blame the federal government and the f.b.i. for stripping me of my basket and you know outing me to the world my real identity . but as for whether or not i truly am now or ever was a participant in the idea known as anonymous i guess i guess you got a point there is no real way to prove that is there what hope they have as much difficulty in court prove it yet is anybody else would. so x. you gave an interview to the montreal gazette this week and you made some pretty interesting claims one being that anonymous is the most powerful organization in the world possibly yet another saying that anonymous is sitting on every classified

database and it's not just that they have access it it's that the people in these agencies are actually given anonymous information. talk a little bit more about that. i have nothing more to say what do you want to know well i mean why would these people in these agencies give compromise themselves by giving anonymous information like that. well i think you know the same reason that they have been this is the thing is this is not a new. situation this is been going on for a long long time and you know. bradley manning unfortunately. went ahead and bragged to some people that he was that he couldn't trust and got himself hung up but he's not the first young person in this world of intelligence in this world to secret government data to become very very frustrated

with the crimes that he was seeing committed under the flag of the united states of america and so it's really shouldn't be a big surprise to anybody nor should it be really that astounding that with all the publicity none of us has been receiving in recent past two years that people would come forward wanting to be a part of it and that some of those people would be amongst the what approximately twelve thousand individuals in the united states or america who have access to classified databases so this really is is not is astounding i think is people think sure well actually also said that you said that the u.s. crimes crimes of the u.s. government go far beyond just killing of innocents and that once people find out. they will be very shocked i mean what is anonymous waiting for i mean here we are in the sense of those militarized crackdowns on occupy wall street i mean what why the delay i mean let's let's get him out there while the would go we're going to

try to do something a little bit different that's why. one of the things we're trying to do is learn. that wasn't me i hope was me now. one of the things we're trying attempting to do is to learn from the mistakes of the past and i think the way the situation went down with bradley manning and. the previous giant weeks. it was perhaps true that there was no other way to handle that situation these databases were huge and they contained a massive amount of things that needed to be gotten out to the public but what we're trying to do is approach a little bit differently and what we're doing is examining the clients of these databases and homing in on certain individual things like the crime that i mentioned summary execution of. enemy combatants and and try and find a way to garner evidence in such

a way that we don't have to release the source document and therefore not endanger the original source or in danger our access to that database and just may or may not this may or may not work but it's going to take time and it's something that we want to try to do things a little bit differently and not release the source documents but try to use those documents to hold me and then find other evidence that's in the in a more public domain and it just seems like like they should be released as you guys are sitting on them i understand what you're saying let's talk a little bit more about what else you said about anonymous being one most powerful organizations in the world i mean do you think that this is kind of feeding into the whole government online and and how cyber terrorism is the greatest threat we should be combating and really going to have aided their crackdown on the internet . and almost gives them that almost give them the platform to be like yes see this is exactly what we're talking about this

is why we need this legislation. look this is a war straight up this is a war probably one of the biggest culture and social and political wars of our time maybe of the last thousand years and it's a war for the heart and soul of civilization these people of this government this criminal government this illegitimate criminal government in the united states of america is going to do whatever they're going to do they're going to squash any resistance no matter what form it takes they're going to brand any resistance as as terrorism no matter what form that resistance takes if that resistance is in any way successful if it's in any way able to reduce their power and threaten their power base then then that's what's going to happen there's there's absolutely nothing i or anybody in anonymous or anybody in the occupy movement can do to to somehow pull our apology or to somehow make this more elaborate to them because

this is their downfall that they're looking at that leads me to my next question and then they have come out and said that it's not a matter of if but when there will be a cyber terrorist attack that will draw more from an ally than i mean do you think that there's a possibility that they'll just stage one. i don't use anonymous as the fall people for i would i wouldn't i wouldn't put it past them you know i have my great suspicions about this report that anonymous was going to shut off the electric grid and i think that was a huge red flag. you know i'm on the inside regardless of what anybody thinks of me or or would what your opinions of my position within anonymous might be i'm on the inside and deeply on the inside and i can tell you for rock solid fact it was never even discussed amongst anybody with any influence with an anonymous to shut down the power grid nor was it ever discussed to shut down facebook or to shut down the internet and all and yet all of these things have appeared under the anonymous

brand. so you know it's true that we have rogue elements and we have some some crazy people that have become involved in or around the fringes of the movement but i want to this really smacks as a red flag and so absolutely i think it's absolutely. this is how much how much actually i've just to wrap up the interview really quickly x. how much s.p.i. infiltration do you think is currently an anonymous i mean we know that there was an informant and the stratfor leaks do you think that that's elements of it are compromised are you willing to come out right now and say that you are not an informant i mean i am not an informant for the f.b.i. if i was i'd be living a lot more to cover. that than i have right now i mean i'm on the run i go from coffee house coffee house city to city my lawyer can verify for you a lot of the details of the lifestyle i live but it's not a pleasant lifestyle it's not one of luxury and i certainly would be living better

than i am now what about anonymous as a whole i mean do you think that there are elements that have been compromised more so that we are not. i think we're massively infiltrated i think this is always been a problem for an organization that wants to be open to new membership and to have it so we do it in. a horizontal organization i think it's always going to be open to that sort of thing but this is not new this goes back to the sixty's would point go pro in the eighty's when i was in the apartheid movement we had the same sort of infiltration on the ground so infiltration of resistance movements of protest movements is not something that's new it's always been massive and it exists but i'll tell you a secret it's a two way street we have a guy so i decided to drive division two weeks to us so you know what one can do to us what they can do to us we can also do to them it does this goes it does seem that anonymous and the hacktivist groups have one leg up on the government and it

definitely has them running scared thanks so much for joining us i know that took a lot and we really appreciate you taking the time and finding means. the first amendment is the bedrock of u.s. liberty and the necessity to keep a check on our has been proven time and time again with the continued use of unwarranted police force and brutality with surveillance cameras constantly filming us shouldn't citizens have the right to film police i mean after all they are public servants on public property right well not of illinois has anything to say about it the state has already made videotaping police illegal and under an antiquated eavesdropping act it's a first class felony to record audio of police officers while on duty and it can mean as much as fifteen years behind bars recently the u.s. court of appeals for the seventh circuit issued an injunction against the illinois law stating it's a violation of the first amendment yet for freedom well unfortunately some of the judges serving on the seventh circuit disagree with the injunction and it stated they find no violations whatsoever so who is going to win this this free press

debate and as they're going to be a growing trend of this nationwide jacob sullum is the sex senior editor for reason dot com he joined me earlier and shared more about this take a listen. well you know i was actually probably do the worst in the country when it comes to restricting people's ability to record public officials in public places is really unique in terms of both the restrictions and the severity of the potential punishment and it's been under challenge in state court and in federal court a couple of state court judges recently found that it was unconstitutional and now you see that the seventh circuit is inclined to agree they haven't actually made a final ruling but they issued a preliminary injunction which means they think that the show you which is challenging the law has a good chance of prevailing and in the meantime they're barring prosecutors from prosecuting one of law and bar and police from arresting people under the law there are things that the injunction would possibly be lifted. no i think that the so you

will probably win this case another circuit has already found the first circuit in a case involving the massachusetts law which was similar in some respects to the illinois law that you have a first amendment right to record police officers when they're performing. their jobs in public there was a guy who was arrested in boston because he recorded their arrest it was in progress he thought that excessive force was being used so he took out a cell phone to the cell phone to document that and he got arrested and so and he was charged among other things with with eavesdropping with the a great one and that's justice and those charges were ultimately thrown out but then he sued saying they should never arrest him to begin with and the federal bill for their grief and now you're going to look like we're going to have two circuits agreeing that there is a first amendment right to record police in places and other states don't have laws or anything like these and should know that that in most states you do have the right to do this even the police may not realize that least may arrest people for the slayer without realizing what the law actually says in most places in the

united states you do have their right to report police officers in public places so you're talking about massachusetts i know maryland trying to pass a bill as well i mean are there any states right now with a law on the books that make it illegal using this antiquated and dropping act to film police those are really the last two remaining states that have a statute that specifically prohibits it and some other places police officer might interpret the law or misinterpret the law to find that situation but if you go to court and challenge those charges intellect to get them thrown out. jake as you know there are some protesters and here we are nato is coming out this weekend and this drac legislation is an alan know i know that there's an injunction against and it's not in the books yet. more is but there's an injunction but you know these protesters caught these cops on film saying you know we said in sixty eight and billy club to the effing skull one people so to do i mean cops are making these direct threats against protesters i mean how our their citizens to be held

accountable if there's this chilling effect kind of against filming on i mean that's the problem obviously and this is the a.c.l.u. if they were trying to do is simply observe police at events like protests and make sure that they behave properly and if they misbehave they want to be able to document it but they were afraid they would be arrested simply for trying to do that so that's why they lost and even if ultimately people prevail in these cases on constitutional grounds you still have a problem the police don't understand the law or don't care about the law and will nevertheless harass harass you because you're doing something that you're right to do is no way to completely avoid that but people should be aware of what their rights actually are under the law in whatever state they happen to be in and they shouldn't you know try to get into a fight about it but they should be aware of the fact that despite the fact that they have a right to do this at least may try to stop them and they accuse them of committing a crime and endemol wine they can challenge the arrest if that's what happens that

we had an article on our website a month or two ago about seven rules for recording the police which gives you some tips about how to do it the technology and how to avoid getting into so any kind of violent confrontation with the ladies and you know how to have a step back so that you make sure that you're not interfering with their with them informing their duties or they want to use you in that group so that's worth looking at on our web site reason that we're interested in trying to monitor the place in public or document jake at all jacob it almost seems like just a desperate and. jürgen taken by these national police forces because i mean everyone has a camera now every cellphone has a camera and everyone can just take it out and film they can live stream and tell the truth as it's happening in lobbying for these bills to pass i mean it's a picture speaks a thousand words you see the oscar grant case now the kelly thomas case i mean is there some sort of massive lobbying from some industry to pass these or do you think it's just kind of you know like desperate measures from police force to

really cover up. what i think the police are inclined to resist these developments they're not they have not quite adjusted to this new reality that they can be documented anytime anyplace by anybody who happens to be wearing a so. you know for obvious reasons a lot of police run easy about and therefore what you see like i said more than actual law then you have police who either think the law bans it or they take it upon themselves to stop you they don't want to be recorded only watching of course this is a ridiculous double standard because they have every right and in illinois particular the law it was amazing because the law said police had a right to record you during their you you have no right to record them furthermore if you if you eavesdrop on just an ordinary citizen the maximum penalty is three years but if you do it if you record a cop or another law enforcement official the maximum penalty was drifting years now so what kind of message does that send to people what you're saying if you dare to try to monitor public officials who are in theory are working for you then you

can be charged with a felony and since there's you know i think i think that is on its way out i think that what you're seeing is sort of the last gasp of resistance to this new reality it is interesting to be threatened with a prison sentence comparable to rapists just for filming a public servant and even instances on some people's personal property so it is very interesting and one definitely keep an eye on these laws essential to the first and i meant that was jacob sullum at senior editor for reason dot com. what does it all for tonight check us out at eight o'clock and for morning stories go to our web site follow me on twitter abby martin. they are going to. look into the alone a show they'll get the real headlines with none of them are the problem with the mainstream media today is that they're completely disconnected from the viewers and what actually matters to those viewers and so that's why young people just don't watch t.v. anymore if they were.