i didn't time for the democratic national committee this is a plan that would quote do exactly what john mccain would not let us do and romney condemned this yesterday as the wrong course after first kind of waffling on the topic joe ricketts the guy who was supposed to put up the ten million bucks has walked it back apparently it didn't go over well with cubs fans among other things and but have we seen the last of this plan or is it going to is this going to become an issue if so how and when and and if so does that open the door for the democrats to play the mormon card and talk about mitt romney and his his long lineage of ancestors who are polygamists. and the oh yeah. and i think that's exactly right i think that romney and his campaign does not want to get into a discussion about religion or various sects of christianity and i think that in terms of what we see more of this thing with super pacs it's anyone's guess and the

thing about super pacs is that in the immediate impact we've seen is that the majority of ads are going negative attack ads normally you kind of would lead with kind of a getting to know you bio spot and then you would go in and kind of get into me versus the opponent but with super pacs you don't really have to become friendly or have voters like them or not look mean can just go straight with the negative and so i think we will see more people because it is people these are these are billionaires with a lot of money who are funding specific projects who have ideas and attacks that they think need to be levied and going out as you know this billionaire i've met him he's a nice guy he's not a bad person it's yes owner of the family and the chicago cubs and tough audience right you going to go cubs owner but i don't like the chicago cubs all that much in the red sox fan but when you look at what happened with this proposal his group received a proposal that was obviously somebody put a lot of effort into but ricketts rejected that and his group had rejected it

according to never never had any you always look forward to if he had had a preliminary presentation of this in new york city and had green lighted you know i mean that that line is right it is a. spokesman for joe ricketts is no doubt they're going to back to the polls was when we met in new york and you said please go ahead and put together a formal proposal on this in a quack quack quack so the proposal my understanding was to deal with ending spending not to deal with these character issues in the obama well or. who cares whether they're walking a back or not i say. fair good immobile by a damn the torpedoes full speed ahead because if anybody believes that the obama campaign is not going to hear. romney on mormonism on the magic underwear all the polygamy on the whole nine yards if you do not believe it i have some beautiful ocean front ocean front property in nashville to sell you because they have you know they never went after john mccain about the mental health issues and there's there's a actually of

a fairly large body of information that could have been used to just devastate john mccain it never even came up and i think we need to there's another interesting thing about this memo that's been kind of our look and it's the cynicism with which they describe obama you know the language is barack hussein obama to make that point and they talk about well i mean i don't want to i don't ever remember i made it the way that middle of the way is the name would have been have i had never written a memo that it was about an opponent but they're going to name but the other thing is that part of the tactic was to hire an extremely literate african-american as though that was going to be some sort of unique thing about how to execute this plan oh a literate african-american spokes person and so i think that there is there is but it betrays a certain level of cynicism i am just kind of it that's really just an event or it's real would never see that from the left i mean we're seeing the president calling republicans hostage takers they are there are not only out water i'm sorry he talked about a freudian slip but david axelrod i mean little things that he said about

republicans he's gone way over the line in many of his well you know speaking of going way over the line indefinite detention was just knocked down by a federal judge part of the da the national defense authorization act the good news i suppose is that when the founders put together the constitution they said congress can appropriate money for unlimited periods of time for anything except the army because they didn't you know there was this big debate about whether we should even have a standing army during times of peace and that was the original genesis of the second amendment was there was no army during times of peace everybody like in switzerland everybody would be part of the militia and and so you know the one section of the constitution explicitly says that you cannot have an appropriation for more than two years for the military period so we had. revisit this this defense authorization at the most every two years otherwise everything just stops so i guess the good news is that we'll have lots of opportunities to read litigate this thing and but it looks like the republicans are pushing it through i mean this

just to an amendment to ban indefinite detention as part of the n.d.a. the defense authorization act just was defeated two hundred thirty one eighteen and two hundred eighty two nineteen republicans voted two. to shoot down indefinite detention and everybody else voted to keep it what's going on i thought republicans were about the constitution first of all it was a republican that helped sponsor about justin amash yeah they were nineteen republicans i mean we don't we are really i mean i guess what they were i mean we're talking about the obama administration is holding these individuals in indefinite detention right now right the obama administration well of the the individuals that were put in that position by the bush have straight had beings had trials you're going to be obama tenure they're beginning there haven't started yet i thought they were going to be brought to new york for trials in civilian courts while the republicans shot that down i really wonder if the republicans hold or obama and his administration abandon the whole idea that was trying to get all the low back from fox news it wasn't just fox it was turning into

a complete circus for it to be combatants who are caught in the field of battle you cannot have civilian trials we've never had civilians you can't know what you don't know if you ever heard of the nuremberg trials that was not as if this is a trial that is worse than it was certainly a civilian does not know it yes it was the nuremberg commission was a civilian division it was it was organized by the government it was in the list let's define our terms here because you and i think are not talking to the same thing so billion trials i'm turnabout in federal district courts no we've never had that the only time enemy combatants have ever been tried in american military ballots in the united states we have we did during world war two you had nine guys who tried to come in and you know erica wanted to have been out there and i think essentially i mean i would hope that we can all agree about that at the fact that. that indefinite detention. is unconstitutional and unfortunate and it does need to be addressed and it shouldn't there shouldn't be politics it should be something that we take seriously and everybody who's sworn the oath of office to uphold the constitution should have a hard time sleeping at night as long as this is in place the other thing about

this budget that i would say that's very disappointing is that. for all of the talk about about cutting the budget and slashing funding we see it also actually increased spending levels for and included things like missile defense because some of those questions you know which the pentagon doesn't have the military didn't even want and i'm going back again to you know this i do the kind of listening to kind of expert opinion you should listen when if somebody doesn't want something a military installation the military which is known for having excess and redundancy is what your congress has your history you would want to have missile defense because we want to be protected i don't think i said that or observed as i said earlier if there is a little more history it's a fundamental strategic shift in policy to focus more on the middle east and asia and cyber attacks because that's where we're credibly i don't think there are not a city right now there is a long history of congress going for military projects as the military said they did not want and then hoops they turn out to be really really useful the v. twenty two in afghanistan being the most recent example so just because the

military says we don't want it you know the guys who are saying we don't want it or the generals and the admirals who are depending on obama and the you know you're out of the order of the mortgage so there's a promotion yes absolutely if i thought the tea party was opposed to big government bloated government it is we spend more in defense than every other country in the world and that's a good way to stay ahead and count is what has become this and i've talked about it before as you know tom but the idea that defense spending doesn't count is just it's completely false it's a false paradigm and that something needs to be addressed comprehensively if anybody talks about cutting any part of program medicare we should we have to look at the fence and then we have to look at the defense because it supports the one of the proper. rules of the federal government is defending our guys which is in the constitution and never will never see more than two years worth the money and i mean to have it we are going to live in a world and i smarter i mean there's a there's other ways to spend this money that can be more efficient and more effective in furthering our our defense goals. and that point let's move on to was

a constant speaking of all the money facing a recall election scott walker has gone out and raise twenty five million dollars from oil barons and taxes and wall street fat cats in on wall street in new york city and he's outspending his competitors twenty five to one at least so far the democratic national committee was getting a lot of grief about this hearing from a lot of democrats around the country who are really upset that the d.n.c. is not foreign money into wisconsin right now and then when the wisconsin party just asking for half a million bucks meanwhile wisconsin was six thousand jobs some private sector jobs in april and making scott walker wisconsin or scott walker's watch the worst job creation state in the country which is pretty amazing so will that twenty five million votes be able to blind the voters of wisconsin to his sins in office well in january was constant added sixteen thousand private sector jobs so they lost six

thousand last month they added sixteen thousand in january you know they're still up a bit but april was. but a pittance compared to the two hundred fifty thousand that he said he was going to bring to wisconsin i mean it's also about you know the the broader the broader promise the broader rhetoric that has been there's been false misleading i mean the one of the first things he did in office was to is to cut jobs by cutting the high speed rail project i mean that was a terrible mistake he's also cuts funding for things like vocational schools the university system which is an enterable part of the wisconsin landscape and things like that that create jobs i mean no one said creating jobs is easy so but scott walker's got to think about what are. the engines of job creation well it's amazing to me that the public unions poured so much money into destroying scott walker starting this recall effort and trying to destroy his career and after all the information that the people of wisconsin have after all the negative campaigning

and saying awful things about how he's destroying the lives of the people of wisconsin lowering job creation and cutting up throwing these government workers on the streets he's up in every single poll on looking at twenty five overseas dollars now can buy so much in wisconsin there it's a the way the population is distributed you have a number of media markets that are really inexpensive because other people reason why don't you understand these issues i mean there's not a ring of equity for your stand is what if a clean it looks like to sit in front of your television and see ad after ad after ad and it's not so much that it convinces people oh scott walker such a great governor it again the cynicism is that it does is it represses phone and it makes people feel assaulted and though they're tired and it's it's negative i was talking with the with the. with the political consultant today who pointed out the during the french elections the if you look at the polls coming out of france first of all there were four or five major polling companies are doing polling all of them were within a quarter point of each other every single time that they did them so they were

very consistent but secondly the polling the public opinion didn't much change over a period of the number of weeks that the election happened whereas in the united states you do polling and then somebody drops a million bucks into an ad market and boom you see a five point change and i and i said well what's the significance of that he said the people in france are really well informed about their politicians and about the issues whereas in the united states they're not and so they're vulnerable to advertise it's not true i mean we have more democracy in this country you can vote for city councilor for mayor for you know county that i think then why are all the political consultants running around saying with enough money we can flip any election because the american people are uninformed you can't say that about wisconsin because the unions pumped millions. dollars into destroying scott walker and it hasn't worked it's going to work it's also been able to raise money there's a part of the election campaign finance laws in wisconsin that once the recall is triggered scott walker was allowed to begin raising money from that moment forward and the democrats were not because there was not a candidate who could more more rubble coming up right after the break.

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welcome back to tonight's big picture rumble joining me tonight are judson phillips associate director of the tea party dot net eric a newly democratic strategist and brian darling contributor to the daily mail and director of government studies at the heritage foundation let's go back to a last question quick fire just when you thought republicans in arizona couldn't get any crazier and our secretary of state and bennett in an interview thursday night bennett went full tilt birth are saying he's not convinced president obama was born in the united states and the threat to keep the president's name off the arizona ballot come november and so he's also set requests to the state of hawaii to undercover to uncover more information regarding the president's birth so between sheriff joe arpaio using taxpayer dollars to launch his own investigation into the president's place of birth and now the secretary of state doing the same thing the question is this what the heck is in the water in arizona just

a simple inquiry obama has so many of his records he is never released from college to high school to even the original birth certificate just released them so whatever in the water you're drinking i prefer tea so yes but maybe it's to labor what i think you are now what's going on in arizona whatever they're doing i hope it stops because it is just getting you know one after another after another you know the birth or mass and how much can you can you pull out of it how long could you cling to it before it finally just becomes you know you're just. the same way you can i'm at a for not want to that's become a joke writing and brian i don't know i mean i think that they're not drinking water they're probably drinking arizona iced tea and it's bite because they are pretty crazy in arizona and i think my thoughts on what's in the water you know they make a killer. out of that cactus yeah ok actus grows in the desert he owes them anyhow just some folks there it is it may well be said brian for joining you tonight

thanks to. the psychopaths killed another american this month dave johnson over alter net is telling the story of norman russo and his wife two people who did everything they were supposed to do they were responsible homeowners who did business with wells fargo and they put a thirty percent downpayment on this house in california back in two thousand and they made every payment from then on never missed even one single month at the same time the housing bubble frenzy took off banks discovered they could make enormous profits dragging homeowners away from fixed and safe fixed rate mortgages and into

exploding adjustable rate mortgages for the bank it didn't matter if the interest rate on the new loan would skyrocket and eventually lead to a foreclosure the banks got their money no matter what is it you missed payment fees late payment fees refinancing fees and after foreclosure they get government support and tax write offs on the i and the on the underlying value the property. at which they end up with as a corporation a bank wells fargo has only one obligation to increase profits for shareholders that's it to hell with their customers their community their nation just so long as they're hitting that bottom line goal and wells fargo is doing exactly what it's legally obligated to do if wells fargo was a person and didn't give a damn about their fellow man and was willing to do whatever it takes a lie cheat steal kill for profit then we'd call that person a psychopath if a psychopath a dea fraud a person and then harassed her to the point of committing suicide to get it to stop

we'd like lock that's psychopath up and keep him away from society but as a corporation we give companies like wells fargo tax breaks and bailouts and turn the other way when they drive their customers to suicide so in two thousand and seven wells fargo's salesman decided to prey on one of their customers norman russo according to court documents the bank approached the russos about changing their mortgage from the fixed rate that they had a nice stable mortgage safe mortgage to an adjustable rate mortgage an arm rizzo's stress that they were really only interested in a fixed rate loan and that they wanted to pay the exact same payments throughout the right the life of their loan but they trusted the bank which was a big mistake so when wells fargo told them the new industry standard is adjustable rate mortgages and they could save more than six hundred dollars a month and mortgage payments and that the worst case scenario would be an increase

of only a few dollars dollars on their monthly payments according to alter net the russos gave in to the salesman and took the new mortgage. but as alternate reports a few years later in two thousand and nine the russos knew that they were stuck with a bad deal their new interest rate was higher than it was before two thousand and seven and even before what they even higher than what they were told it would could increase to but as responsible homeowners who had done everything they were supposed to do the research shows still made each and every monthly payment on time and that's when wells fargo behaving like a true psychopath moved in for the kill in may of that year the bank claimed the russos missed a monthly payment the russos if that's impossible they've made the boehm they even gave proof that they made the payment at the bank with a cashier's check and that check had been cashed by the bank they had it but the bank still claimed it never received the thing and

a few months later the result was again missed another payment in june and another in july even though normal or is so i had personally a get a handle of a cashier's check to the bank to pay each of those months finally the bank recognize its error and in august they told the russos hey your current all your payments bought according all or not a few months later wells fargo went back to the same scheme again claiming a missed payment and then hitting the russos with fee after fee penalty after penalty over the next few years the sort of back and forth double talk us kafka esque nightmare continued between wells fargo and norman or so the fees kept piling up as did the lies from the bank and then the eviction notices came rolling by two thousand and twelve the financial burden of the whole ordeal became unbearable and the russos like so many other americans in the middle of the housing meltdown were

getting wiped out by the increased mortgage payments that's when wells fargo finished them off set in the eviction date of may fifteenth. when norman urso and his wife had to be out of their house the russos considered moving into an r.v. in front of their home but that plan didn't work out either so two days before the scheduled eviction norman russo apparently unable to bear losing his home after the bank that already taken all his money pulled out a gun and killed himself leaving behind a devastated wife. and that's my husband and he treats me like hell i don't want this to happen to anybody this is horrible i lost my husband. i lose my pets i lose my house i lose my friend of everything for nothing the family got for the news and wells fargo it was just another casualty of our economy now under the control of corporate psychopaths but how many more lives have to be

ruined before our nation wakes up to the fact that everything that makes life worth living in america has been stolen by psychopathic executives sitting on the boards and steering the wheels of the nation's biggest corporations are caught i mean today is rooted in this form of corporate capitalism which relies on an insatiable drive for more and more profits it basically relies on blind greed you see it's not just in homeowners being pushed off the edge but entire cities they're poisoned by corporate chemical and energy plants that spew their pollution downstream you see it in for profit health insurance companies that use actual death panels to deny women and children a life saving medical procedures to keep up their quarterly profits you see it in defense companies that lobby congress for more war just so they can sell more and more tanks and warplanes and bombs regardless of how many deaths it'll need these

corporations ever show any remorse for the damage they caused. did wells fargo think twice about how they'd handle their next foreclosure victim after norman was so blue as had oh as far as we can tell the answer is no at least not as long as the profits keep rolling this is genuinely psychopathic behavior norman russo put a gun to himself this month but he's not the one who really pulled the trigger corporate psychopaths did and any one of us could be the next norman russo as long as our nation continues this embrace of free market psychopathic corporate capitalism it's time to look for something new it's time to build a new economy that puts shareholder profits behind the well being of customers workers and communities right now the best alternative out there is the worker cooperative model business is owned by the workers were profits are shared and

decisions are democratized over a billion people around the world do business with a cooperative and here in the united states there are over eleven thousand worker own cooperatives employing more americans there are members of the entire private sector labor movement you can see the success of the cooperatives in places like madison wisconsin i visited there last year i just speak at the fighting bob fest and the guy who picked me up at the airport the cab driver from union cab company says you know i used to be a lawyer nama cab driver what oh i'm also an owner of the company to manufacturing plants i visited is this manufacturing in madison wisconsin owned by its employees even the strip clubs in madison which i didn't visit probably should have and they are organized as worker on co-ops and are achieving great success without psychopathic violence it's simple we can build

a new economy that works for all of us and depends on cooperation rather than predation. or we can stick to what we have now this is corporate system that is that is basically draining us it's sucking the life out of the middle class and we can let the free market corporate psychopaths continue to run roughshod over this nation. we have to figure out which way we're going to go and they're really our choices this is this this cooperative model that mondragon is doing in spain in the eleven thousand companies are doing in the united states really works it really works well and you could argue that it's not an alternative to capitalism that it is a form of capitalism only the capital that's brought to the table is not you know a rich guy like mitt romney saying ok you know we're going to bring in a bank and buy a company and load them up with debt strip them strip them naked instead it's people bringing in sweat equity bringing their capital their labor to the company

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