it's eleven thirty here in moscow let's take a look at the headlines world leaders arrive in chicago for the nato summit the city welcoming them one thousand strong protests and reports of a heavy handed police reaction. and begin a nation that's throwing their weight behind me is a stain in the euro zone the speculation mounts that this is simply damage control and that a very different rate is being mapped down flatlands. to the u.s. a resume is on those sales to bahrain a concern is they'll be used to further the crackdown on growing demonstrations killed by the ruling families and so you know if you were saudi arabia. next

it's appalled to you abide standard report about a controversial american academic who's taking a stand by gays a u.s. foreign policies. i'm not saying i was an absolutely top form but you did great on the comedian now as an opportunity to grab on a couple things like what was the last question about palestinian terrorism well i thought i answered that well you're getting light is you know be in the media smart with a focus and house and care and then if you know israeli carriers i mean i think it's a question of priorities i spoke for two hours we're going to people showed an enormous amount of tolerance and then me speak for two hours and therefore i have an obligation to let people have their say no i'm saying things which deeply upset many people in the audience if they controlled themselves for two hours and showed me their respect and i have an obligation to let them lead out their

feelings and thoughts and complain about the media to get this going i don't want to see i don't want to use the media i don't like expressions like that i don't want to success which is based on ruthlessness a success that's based on. the victory of scoundrels and nominate a copy at the ankles i need to speak you know said in order to sign is profiting from the holocaust just like the industry that you criticize and using the memory of his parents to profit off the one who has basically was when you think about him well. it's a strange way to profit to lose your job and be thrown into exile in a place where you. don't want to be after fifty years of living in new york it's an odd sort of profiteering end up living in chicago and. losing my job i can say i was a happy household my mother she always tries to derive lessons from what she

experienced she's always analyzing what happened. she thought that you know in the thames you saw the secret of human nature there was another disco song which you all know i will survive and i will survive is about the one man whose boyfriend you know dumps her with leaves her and she's. some violence my mother love the song she didn't know the lyrics she just knew the referring and the referring her was the war. so. why are you going. with your.

last night i spent several hours several unpleasant hours reading and rereading the paper presented by dr finkelstein and i found it disturbing in a way which is not easy for me. the paper is suffused with press and hatred and i strongly hope that when the proceedings of this conference are printed that such parts of this paper will not be included in them. dr finkelstein to speak we have an expression in english the truth is often deter pill to swallow we are supposed to be seriously examining history but you mention

a few words about jewish collaborators and people get so upset this is i'm sorry to say it's a form of emotional blackmail he says hamas is not recognized by the united states because hamas won't recognize israel the logical question is can you name a single israeli government official political party which has ever recognized a palestinian state with then its internationally legal borders plainly. wrong i'm wrong wrong ok how about international law where of course you agree with that they said. by palestinian territories the whole of the west bank and gaza you agree with the core no the point was just like me with the folks

in you know very well this is. happening with the horrifying fall between him and do you agree with their opinion. do you agree with their opinion. by you here is what i'm the argument which i think has a certain amount of credibility as the argument but i want to look at this here

so no argument goes something like this house armed has especially for jews that from a biblical in our interview for the point of view of the history of the jewish people palestine has a special resonance for the true ish people to imagine i'd sure stay in charge. in uganda or elsewhere simply the work of the jewish people who makes no sense i'm bashing the jewish state house are made sense for the jewish people. we're talking to professor alan dershowitz he's author of a new book it's called to be the case for israel and debate with norman finkelstein among his books the holocaust industry and in each and reality of the israel palestine conflict now in one thousand nine hundred four one joan peters published

a book called from time immemorial the book was universally recognized by serious scholars to be a fraught without wanting to toot my own horn i'm largely recognized as the person who exposed the froid. i know that book inside out i read it at least four times and i went through all eighteen hundred and fifty four footnotes i started to read your book mr dershowitz. i then came to chapter one footnotes ten foot no the left and footnote twelve footnote thirteen footnote fourteen footnote fifteen footnotes sixteen all of the quotes are from joan peters may or so from joan peters but you have a long quote here from mark twain on pages twenty three to twenty four i turn to joan peters page one fifty nine to sixty the identical quote from twain with

with the ellipse ease is in the you know they're going is the twain quote romance the olympics the wait let me finish sir but that the king of the ellipse sees in the same places the identical quote from twain with the ellipses in the same places it's been widely then read here really it has stood mr dershowitz i think what's your point is i think is a correct word that is finishing us now there's a way i want to ask you that i have is it a direct is it an accurate quote of twain that there is very clear is never plagiarism to quote mark twain exactly except it's not exactly a cite mark twain and not shown peters i'm a professor i know what plagiarism it's. been busy to expression for my. mother need to turn around and use a month or two to dust if there she was this book made of course i wouldn't even

use it as if my. in the read you made to challenge my positions he accused me of plagiarism his charge was that because i used quotations from mark twain for example which he says i originally found in. a woman named petersburg. i had to cite the mark twain quotation not to mark twain himself which is of course what you're supposed to do according to the chicago manual and all other standard manuals but i was obliged to cite it to the peters book and fact cited peters eight times in fact i didn't find the mark twain quote in the peter's book soon as he accused me of plagiarism i went to harvard university and i said there's been this accusation i insist that you investigated please put an investigator on it they put

bach the former president of harvard with whom i had not had particularly good relations over the years and derek bach came to the conclusion that there was absolutely no basis for any plagiarism. you're listening to worldview from chicago public radio and we've been talking a day with norman finkelstein assistant professor of political science at the paul i think you'll see it's always had a controversial ads but the controversy never ends in his conflict with harvard's alan dershowitz it began in the democracy now radio program several years ago when

he alleged that dershowitz his book a case for israel was plagiarized more recently dershowitz is not one campaign against illegal themes can you get a call the president of all university has about the middle of this month to decide and when i was dr finkelstein these are festered to paul university who might get his tenure on tuesday if the university allows and by people like this be teaching our children in the class of us thanks for joining us i'm going to start off by asking where things stand in your a ten year old old westie have you become too hot for him. and i think the american association of university professors has been watching. the demise of the american higher education of the ministration simply unilaterally you get rid of my memory. when you.

now mind. you moment. the poll university and myself reaching a settlement this is the poll universe the state. today we are free to the resolution of our dispute with professor finkelstein. as a part of that resolution he has agreed to resign effective immediately. professor finkelstein is a prolific scholar and an outstanding teacher the university thanks him

thank you thank you thank you the university thanks him for his contributions and his service. i know a great deal about the finkelstein tenure case because the paul asked me to write a letter on finkelstein which i did and then i followed the case very closely from start to finish and i think this is an open and shut case i think that finkelstein should have gotten a ten year he's not a teacher he's a propagandist he's not a scholar he simply write screeds the scandal was that paul university ever

appointed him in the first place they appointed him because hard left professors who didn't care at all about his lack of scholarship just like his ideological. radicalism and lowered the standards to appoint him so it was a good decision to deploy university and it was a good decision for academic standards in general what he expects the shorts was going to he has dershowitz of being a liar and a plagiarist what is he going to expect but just what's to keep quiet then we know all the kind of connections that dershowitz has in the united states so why don't you tell it like on campus not so i mean normal some person wouldn't have done anything right so well what did he expect and i don't feel it was that he should downplay the issue of plagiarism i didn't think the first word in the news and wouldn't issue. there she is a plagiarist there's no significant but significant as the material has never

before. he did i thought he would put it in several or just. in my view most of this talk about civility is a red herring when you consider that our best universities eagerly recruit in dubai the bull war criminal whether it was columbia that sought out kissinger whether it was georgetown which employed her patrick or stand for which now

has rumsfeld when you consider that professes in our best universities advocate torture and the automatic destruction of villages after a terrorist attack when you consider all this becomes clear that the question of civility whether one treats his or her critics according to emily post's rules of etiquette however real the question is. is by comparison a meaningless sideshow or just a transparent pretext for the gnawing a person the right to teach an account of his or her unpopular political beliefs thank you.

to the outside world the conflict in lebanon seemed to stop as a summer school. the fighting stopped about one thousand two hundred people killed most of them civilians of the map of web allies of the middle east to be drawn in ways that no one expects or. many of those jewish men ever did because of the west of since it but the stakes of destruction of my.

welcome you and i ask that you take a moment of silence to honor the lives of those who died in palestine iraq and lebanon. and that some of you might know that. dr norman was born in new york city led to a jewish family that survived the nazi camps. with david our guest heard stories from his parents of the nazi massacres are the reincarnation of those stories in the streets today. remember the challenge and i would add that the challenge is to be both principle and reasonable at the same all at the end that it

needs sound on reasonable you're going to lose the international community but that's i want to come out i don't think that's the way to win this struggle like that and that you're funny it. was. a bit of this running important that we have americans here who want to show that will knock on the american people against that but a syrian lights we know when the people knows the reality. on the site was. that it was the. longer. that. was. coming.

down space i could have given a rather awkward talk you know long live on struggle and smash the zionist into the crap place that. they i don't believe to be i think it's pointless. i did when i can which is please can we intelligently about possibilities for change in the us. but it's been tough you know there was one woman. sort of rugby. oh i'm a proud a profound thing comes out from. the simple person she was lying in bed she's seventy two years old and i asked her how old are you she's and she lives in little shop of. rock concerts that open sewage i suppose. she said i'm twelve years old or twelve years old if you're twelve because i love palestine and i was twelve years old enough to that was the end of life. from twelve years of age

and. it was a good learning you remember things like that. after the barber. and after the shame not done robbie well by the odd and after the anger about them although there still remains the hope. i'm not that i'm on and i know that i can get in a lot of trouble for what i'm about to say while a man you cannot argue my second. self with i think that there's a lot represents the hope like and i thought of them hezbollah you must. sometimes i think i have an effect it's a very good thing and now i'm going to tell you and hezbollah inflicted and hezbollah a huge defeat as you might then be attacked and this way you have to keep knocking them until they hurt while i am and you and you also will doubt about i don't see how they reached their son and. yeah i would.

let them off and get even yes his fame has come from one of his books about the holocaust and other books about the israel palestine conflict. and strategic gannett the month is out when you visited lebanon meetings are a scandal for you. with various political leaders and some has been there is a fundamental principle people have the right to defend their country from foreign occupiers and people have the right to defend their country from invaders who are destroying their country and that to me is a very very sick i remember three and uncomplicated question. look who's not in the same classes as bala you know it's not the position to lob

missiles in northern israel make the third of the country and habitable. he's not a clear and present danger in the way that hamas is what he and people like him and name policies of terrorism. people who are creating a climate. incrementally in which. israel's legitimacy is no longer considered axiomatic in which the violence against civilians is no longer axiomatic.

it's more more of a qualitatively more then the usual this content of perth and feels with the world. i see it as. radical is unfair and therefore it has to be radically changed other people who think it's wrong for the night with these are not radical. the more go you know who you choose through whose eye is. through whose are these you

choose to see the world. this is radically unfair. and it requires a radical change. we.

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