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on me a little more than a there anything else you got to wrap i want to thank so much for joining an absolutely thank you. we're taking a break but we'll be right back. let's not forget that we heard in the park party regime right now the love. i think iraq the bombing is beautiful and one the oil. we never got the live shows neighborhood keep you safe get ready because you believe your freedom. to let me read what you like her little book and they alone if ill will get the real headlines with none of them are the problem with the mainstream media today is that they're completely disconnected from the viewers and what actually matters to those viewers
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and so that's why young people just don't watch t.v. anymore if they want news they go online and read it but we're trying to take those stories that people actually care about and transfer them back in t.v. . you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for lengthly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm charging bloggers a big picture. our
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guys it's time for show and tell on tonight's program last week we told you about a bill that could bar anybody who would relinquish their u.s. citizenship entering the united states and the legislation could affect individuals like facebook co-founder eduardo saverin who remain ounce to his citizenship and made a lot of money off of the social media site so we want to know if you thought that those who are willing to give up their citizenship for tax purposes should be banned from returning to the producer produce an incentive to find out what you had to say. of the streets of d.c. to tell people the nation's capital what our viewers had to say on twitter facebook and you tube and see which comments we should keep or daily. so what if i told you you could make
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a billion dollars and i had to pay any taxes if you gave up your us citizenship and didn't come back would you do it now possibly depends on where it ended up no absolutely not no way i would even think about it sasuke legend told us if they're going to take that money and run and think oh i'm coming back tax free then hell no they should have to pay up what do you think about that i agree if they come back they should especially if they made it here or through august through a us company don he told us wait a minute if us corporations can make billions overseas and not have to pay taxes at home that an individual should be able to make money in the us and then go overseas then go overseas and not be forced to pay taxes either what do you think do you agree i don't think it's right that corporations can station themselves overseas and not have to pay taxes you get to pay your taxes snowman said he was so rich that he could have paid those taxes and still be wealthy greedy people like that don't deserve to come back what do you think yeah i agree she pays taxes and our
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mart said why would he stay here and pay more taxes he has every right to do what he did do you agree if i was in his shoes i probably would be thinking the same way that he thinks but my family would be enough to keep me here you can do whatever you want to write people can argue whether it's my business or not the u.s. government is saying if you make money in america you pay taxes in america otherwise get out and don't come back. to. our thanks for your responses and here's our next question for you earlier in the show we discussed the difference between the action on the streets of chicago and a pretty nonevent full nato summit happening inside but now the ten year long war in afghanistan is winding down we want to know what you think about a question that's been floating around since the end of the cold war with the war in afghanistan now coming to an end does nato have a purpose let us know you think on facebook twitter and you tube and who knows the response just might make it on air. now imagine someone you know being arrested someone like
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a significant other family member then imagine scraping together all the money that you can possibly find in order to get them out on bail then imagine you bringing that money to the police station where they call in the drug task force confiscate that money because they say there's a presence of narcotics on the bills and send you home empty handed in more ways than one happening based on civil asset forfeiture which often serves to fill the coffers of local police departments and that's also despite the fact that studies have shown that up to ninety percent of u.s. currency contains the traces of cocaine so joining me to discuss this and tell us more is bradley balko senior writer and investigative reporter for the huffington post bradley thanks so much for joining us tonight and so you just wrote this story about this and tell us more about the specific cases that you covered in it there are two cases in brown county wisconsin woman greer family. which has the son was arrested on. relatively minor drug charges i think what couple them
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or it was just enough to trigger a felony charge and the family you know scrape together money but it was five thousand and seventy five hundred dollars to bail him out the mother. you know used her disability check and some money from the tax returns and then the rest of the family sort of pooled their money together they came to the police station and as you said that the i'm sorry much of the jail in the use of the jail. and ministries of the jail turn the money over to the local market larger context task force didn't have the dogs of the money they alerted and they took the money family end up getting the money back about four months later but only after a local attorney got involved and then there's those a more of a case in the same county and this was a guy who was arrested on misdemeanor charges family again sort of scrapes together the money and basically the same thing happens and they actually have not gotten their money back yet they're still fighting in court for that i want you to
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remember in these cases i mean if you go to court and you fight in you win your money back to first have to basically prove your innocence which is can be difficult to do you know in the future money back in a lot of states you don't get reimbursed for attorney's fees you don't get reimbursed for court costs if you're driving through and you have to travel back to two parent board you don't get reimbursed for that and a lot of times you know this this can end up being you can end up paying more trying to get your money back than the money was actually worth that it's a lot of sense and so what i'm curious about you know you highlighted these two cases specifically but is there any evidence that this is becoming a track that it's becoming used more often you know and why wisconsin do they particularly have a problem. well one thing about was constant is they they don't allow bail bondsmen they want to force states that don't allow bondsman so people are more likely to pay bail in cash in a state like wisconsin one thing actually one of the families in this case of the they they tried they were the one to pay the registered check and the police
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specifically told them to bring cash in the family. and you know that they're not that's the police aren't allowed to do that but now this is getting more and more common that the bail thing is it's really unusual and even by asset forfeiture standards it can be pretty outrageous sometimes you know these cases i've only been able to find a few so far and police have been given more police departments ideas here but as that civil asset forfeiture in general is is spreading it's becoming more and more common particular as the economy you know continues to struggle police departments and you know the budgets they're turning to this this really legal fiction that's based on the side of that property a piece of property can be built guilty of a crime and the owner of that property then has to prove that they've got a team that properly property legally and it's really incentives for police departments are skewed here because they get to keep the proceeds and so there's every incentive for them to find you know even a loose connection with some through drug activity and when you say they get to keep the proceeds do we mean hundred percent of the money that they have to turn
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any of it over they keep it all depends laws really vary from state to state and you know that this was really bad in the eighty's and ninety's sort of the height of the drug war there's been a little bit of reform since then the federal laws reformed in two thousand and a lot of states followed suit a lot of them didn't but what's interesting is a lot of states. you know that have passed these laws through the dress the incentive problem so what they'll say is missouri for example in indiana the laws in those states say look for any forfeiture money has to go to schools fund or to a general fund it doesn't go back to the actual police departments the problem is under federal law all these departments need these forms and those states have to do is call up the. and they'd send you know one agent along in this investigation and now it becomes a federal case subject to federal law and under federal law basically the used to ferment you know one federal agent goes along with the department of the most a geisha in the federal government keeps about ten or fifteen twenty percent and
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then the bulk of the money then goes back to the to the police departments are actually been getting around the state legislature with this federal adoption program i it's really heartbreaking to think about the fact you know what some people have to go through to try to scrape together this money to actually try to get somebody out on bail but the reason that we have to talk about it being so ridiculous to as i've mentioned you know there are a lot of studies out there one said that what ninety percent of us currency actually has traces of cocaine on it you mention in your piece to that drug sniffing dogs have come under a lot of scrutiny breaks some of that down for us. it will do the money. almost all money has traces. of cocaine on almost all currency does and the drug dogs have written quite a bit about this their dogs are very well that their sense of smell is finally tunes you know by you know a couple million years of evolution but the problem is it's not that the dogs aren't able to sniff out the drugs the problem is that domestic dogs we've bred them to basically serve us and what happens is a lot of these drug dogs is there they're responding basically to the body language
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of their the the and they're in the hammock to be pretty perfectly well intentioned here i'm sure there are places with that and there is it is you know intentionally making the dog alert but even when they're not the dog can read the hammer spider link and so what happens is the dogs of war basically becomes a confirmation of the bunch of his handler and of course that's exactly what the fourth amendment bill is supposed to part protect us from our you know police being able to go through our stuff search our cars go through our pockets or search your home based only on a hunch there needs to be probable cause the supreme court's going revisit this in the law but a lot of these cases i mean not just in their own money there's a lot of cases where drugs are not to a pile of cash you know was enough to trigger a forfeiture action you know police will say there are other things they say you know well the people in nervous and you know their stories didn't. you know but any time a police officer standing over you and claiming that something you won't is tied to drug activity and they're going to be nervous even if you're innocent of them well
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it sounds to me like you know there needs to be some kind of recourse for that somewhere punishment for the police so they don't get away with it and somebody needs to tell them you know all the statistics that you have been enlightening us with brett rather thanks so much for joining us tonight. our we've got one more break tonight with come back that southern state is going after undocumented immigrants again and no not that one the other one said on how they are republicans still bow down to the altar of reagan and it looks like one lucky better might get their hands on an actual letter. of american power continue. might be resolute. i mean. they were very good.
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you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so. you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else to some other part of it and realize that everything you say you don't know i'm sorry is a big. very good. book and they alone and so they'll get a real headline with none of them are the problem with the mainstream media today is that they're completely disconnected from the viewers and what actually matters to those viewers and so that's why young people just don't watch t.v. anymore if they want news they go online and read it but we're trying to take those stories that people actually care about and transfer them back to t.v.
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. to the capital account i'm lauren lyster. right guys it's time for sides to inside a ward and tonight we're handing it out to two different people in the heart of dixie the alabama's been known to grab the spotlight for all the wrong reasons and one of those reasons is the immigration law the state passed last year h.b.
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fifty six now the law is several contentious provisions in it like its version of arizona's papers please law it gives cops free. arrange it attains suspected undocumented immigrants a traffic stops essentially opening the door to racial profiling and calls on schools to ask new students for proof of citizenship when they're in rolling and it goes after businesses punishing that if they dare dare hire an undocumented worker you know the use well the laws definitely had an impact on the skate state it scared away on documented workers after the state basically declared a witch hunt on that and while the intent of this law was to help alabama residents find jobs turns out the new rules have actually hurt businesses especially farmers we have just passed a law that conforms with federal law and we will see what happens we expect them to do their job now. and we'll see if they're going to do it but when
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only five pickers showed up this morning to harvest the sweet potatoes farmer keith smith saw a possible ruin the loss of his half million dollar crop they're running here because of this new. if you're in trouble i'm in trouble but truth. now is the crabs died in the field many thought the law would die out to the law makers would have a change of heart and the outcry did actually force lawmakers back to the drawing board so they managed to draft a new version of this law over and that they said would address everyone's concerns but let's just call that a big fat fail at the end of the day the safe house and senate actually hashed out legislation that was even more invasive and the original law was so the new law h b six five eight still requires proof of citizenship for new students but it also allows police to detain people for up to forty eight hours while authorities determine their immigration status that doubles that attention time allowed in the previous lot and also requires police to ask about the immigration status of everybody in
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a car that they pull over not just the driver and finally would require alabama's department of homeland security to create an online database with names and pictures of any undocumented immigrants who have ever appeared in court for anything now you think that anybody would have a brain would notice how much more abrasive this version of the immigration law is but apparently alabama lawmakers think it's just fine. with mr speaker that we concur with the senate change with only hours left in the regular session alabama lawmakers passed a bill that changes parts of the state immigration law. that's right they passed it during a special session in the state house now despite the outcry despite federal judges stepping in to temporarily bar some of the ridiculous provisions in the first law the law makers of the fine state of alabama decided to do it all again now thankfully then governor robert bentley emerged as a voice of reason here he indicated that new provisions were over the top he hinted that he would probably veto this bill but just as i was about to breathe
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a sigh of relief it turns out of the governor had a change of heart. governor bentley today signed revisions to alabama's immigration law he's being praised and criticized for the move at the same time the bill known as h b six fifty eight was designed to simplify and clarify alabama's existing immigration law bailey says the revisions will ease some burdens on legal residents and business and church groups. yet the governor tried to draft a new version without the provisions that it like but since nobody would sponsor it bentley just said never mind he simply told the press quote the legislature has no appetite for addressing further revisions at this time well forgive me but his comment is not that easy to digest it's bad enough of the state wants to dehumanize undocumented immigrants with draconian laws but to make them even more severe then see the governor failed to use his veto powers for the sake of sanity well that's beyond upsetting perhaps alabama lawmakers should watch our show more often because
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we've spoken time and time again about how laws like these are worthless they don't help the unemployment they actually let's not forget the fact that they aren't actually pensive immigration reform just last month we told you about the new research from the pew hispanic center that shows how net migration flow to the u.s. has stopped possibly even reversed so now you have people who have grown up here the solution is not just to kick them out and treat them like animals but lawmakers don't seem too fazed by facts here they're sticking to their classic blame the immigrants talking point so for that the state of alabama is lawmakers and its governor are tonight's two all time winners. ok time for happy hour and joining me this evening is sam knight producer for the
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show and derek thompson senior editor at the atlantic gentlemen thank you for joining me and good to be here with up. ok so we know that the reagan fanatics out there that are their desire to be one with a break and it's never quenched and so now there is actually an auction going on p.f.c. auctions a company based in the u.k. they announced on sunday they would sell the vial of blood of reagan or a vial of blood and the auction is going to end on thursday they said the latest bid for the vial stood at nine thousand nine hundred and ten dollars. and the nation's pissed. as you can imagine. so i heard this was taken from you know the assassination attempt when he was at george washington hospital so the real question here is was jodie foster impressed right now exactly and the thing is you have to think. what evidence they have this is ronald reagan's blood was it cold
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well they say that it came the seller wrote the file came from his or her late mother who took it from her workplace at the maryland based bio science laboratories where they were doing blood work and testing we were going to email but you already i don't know i said you know possession is nine tenths the law finders keepers i don't know i don't know if there's legal recourse for the information to get this back but you don't think you would think it would you will light in the regular you hire will have some kind of blood will have some power i mean you would think they'd be delighted i don't know because you know reagan was supposedly this huge free market guys so you'd think you know someone practicing free market principles would be like the ronald reagan foundation but i guess it didn't create enough systemic financial risk and pollute all the oceans so i even if you have if it is even legal to steal blood is what she did legal. you know i have not heard of that while i know people say about it does seem rather wrong but like at this point i guess how do you even go back and it's been so many years can you really still try somebody first is there a statue of limitations on something physical i mean i don't know how is it
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actually we need to do more investigative work on this. every is a lot of very important questions so maybe maybe we'll revisit it tomorrow and find out if it's legal or not. let's move on. my favorite thing. we had the un successful launch. of their first rocket where you had the really sad countdown of the guy go live over there didn't actually lift because there's something wrong with one of the engines so it naturally automatically shut down but they had their second attempt today and look what happened. five four three two one zero. and last shot of the space x. falcon nine rocket as nasa turns to the private sector to resupply the it are there . this is that they have made this
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a pretty big deal for commercial spaceflight this is pretty cool you have to think you know in twenty years in ten or twenty years what's going to be the bigger tech event of the week is going to be the facebook i.p.o. because facebook changes the webbers if you're going to be space x. redefining you know space exploration both of both events are similar in that we have no idea what comes next what is the purpose of flying people around in space we don't yet know what is how exactly is facebook we're going to billion dollars we don't know there's something there. in terms of development when it comes to our project space things move a little bit slower now that we're not in this massive space race anymore facebook who knew. they would become this massive massive company you have that. point i think an important development two decades from now is will you be able to update your facebook status from space like. oh my god i mean. ten people like expanding
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broadband. location space can do you know if you're in space you know i'm by the. i don't. know but you know if they're going to do space tourism where they're going to have some of those tours where you can actually go around the orbit not just earth but there is something where you can like slingshot past the moon there are all these. fine people in this space because they happen to have twenty million dollars and sure they can fly around the moon and you know maybe you know go all around the world. but what's what's the ultimate purpose you know the guy behind space x. he's a really idealistic guy i think you know i think he has a mission is beyond you know turning the moon into the next to why i think you really want to do something that can benefit the human race with this i just don't know what yet i think there have been richard branson i think have very different goals when it comes to commercial space exploration let's move on to our next story though shall we i mean we hear about abuses of power sometimes and this one really
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just drives me a little crazy so. berkeley police chief his son lost his cellphone and so what do you think happened next. someone stole his i phone from his locker the phone was equipped with tracking software so he had ordered his detectives to track it down they followed the signal from berkeley to fifty third street in san pablo avenue in north oakland he went door to door but couldn't find it their efforts however ended up costing berkeley taxpayers two hours of overtime each of the four officers. i mean they claim it's not unusual to track down your own but really i mean your son's phone if you're the chief of police i mean you know you go out and you're the chief of police that's why you are so i mean you know. sort of thought you know i heard about this story this is ridiculous what a waste of taxpayer money wouldn't abuse of power but then i thought you know maybe there's sensitive information on his phone that could be sort of relevant to i don't know where the chief of police lives and communications but again he could
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have just gone out by himself that's actually interesting point i mean this probably did it only way and that's probably the only way to justify this by saying that if this phone is lost they can track it back and find out police information otherwise it seems pretty obviously like a diversion of resources to finding the kids i phone which they would never use if it was the police chief let's say they're going to find some of these for this guy so these are using the national security national security secrets located on this i phones and we have sure i do is we have to reveal that we can't you know for him or deny it in court we need to find the phone guys didn't need to play angry birds . all right last thing before we go over quick for this one but some people are asking college is because over the past half century the amount of time the college students actually study read write otherwise appear for class has gone from twenty four hours a week to about fifteen hours a week. nobody's asking if college is too easy obviously did not do the required
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amount of drugs in college because they were just way too clear that it was too easy for them i mean. we've become better at studying is that conceivable you know exactly just the internet i mean it takes a lot less time to research stuff you just google stuff now you've got you know university of wicca p.d. that could be at the same time fifteen hours and fifteen hours is really nothing and there's a lot of other studies that seem to show that if not you know nothing but i think of the internet pry as a lot to do with everything from how quickly you do research to typing your papers rather than spending all the time writing about a long form and what words i got to wrap it up guys but yes work out if they think god for work out there's things are joining me tonight. all right that's it for tonight's show thanks for tuning in and make sure to come back tomorrow joel was ordered to pay over six hundred thousand dollars for illegally downloading and sharing thirty songs can be on the show explain the latest in his case and the meantime don't forget become
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