remember of this thousands of angry protesters in wisconsin yelling shame a republican republican governor scott walker after his union busting bill was passed how is jobs on the line with the stork recall election just days away coming up we'll see why the outcome of this election could potentially create political hysteria. plus you know the motto what's yours is mine all curly that's the type of relationship the f.b.i. wants to harness with every american citizen invent a new technology that helps them eavesdrop on your son private cyber conversations will tell you what that means for your online data. and kids say the darndest things that we've always known from t.v. going to simply hugging students or being suspended from school for the most ridiculous and try to reasons just a few minutes was comedian dean obeidallah

a teacher should stop being so politically correct. it's friday may twenty fifth seven pm in washington d.c. i'm at a martin and you're watching our team wisconsin governor scott walker made national headlines last year by busting up state unions remember this. governor walker's attack on collective bargaining rights caused a seventeen day occupation of the state capital by hundreds of thousands of workers they stood and took a lead to recall him this year the court later ruled that anti union law known today as act ten is unconstitutional and violates a number of rights the protester didn't stop at that his actions as well as these protests led to the generation of over one million signatures and demanding to have

governor walker recalled from office and now we find ourselves where we're at today in two weeks wisconsin voters will be heading to the polls to choose between scott walker and someone else that democratic candidate is tom barrett and he's getting walker a run for his money but if walker something on a side it's definitely the money factor so far is already outspent democrats by twenty percent and right now the race is neck to neck i mean it remind you of how big this issue really is not only is the battle brewing between unions and republicans that's also brewing for the country after all only two u.s. governors have ever been ousted by a recall vote so this is definitely something historic so what is happening on the ground there is resistance swelling and what will happen if walker wins in murphy editor buffalo beast dot com filled us in on the latest developments in wisconsin take a listen the climate's very divisive. highly. divided state right now it's pretty much neck and neck in the polls and. everyone is really energized

the base is energized everyone's energized to get the vote out so it is interesting how neck and neck the race is and who is backing both sides at this point. well as you may know this is basically a rerun of the twenty ten gubernatorial race in wisconsin with scott walker vs now milwaukee mayor tom barrett and the statistically significant differences in the polls it's neck and neck and that was the same case in two thousand and ten and so is the funding structure of both candidates many have complained that the d.n.c. and the national democratic machine has been kind of slow to respond to what the right knows is a very important election with national historic implications and the funding structure on the right is very similar to two thousand and ten it's the koch brothers funded americans for prosperity it's the republican governors association

dumping tons of cash and then basically every far conservative billionaire from the country is dumping boatloads of money into this thing for instance foster friess is sugar daddy or scuse me rick santorum sugar daddy foster friess the guy who said women should keep the chased by placing an aspirin between their legs he cut two checks each for two hundred fifty thousand dollars and it's estimated that walker's . going to raise at the end of the day sixty million in total and according to. john nichols nation reporter in medicine red is resident walker is currently outspending barrett twenty five to one but still it's basically fifty fifty so a lot of out of state money that we're seeing funnel no more than last time and why do you think that we have it i mean there are thoughts a groundswell of protest against walker and kind of brutal down i mean is it just

because people are out there day to day do you think that we're going to theme some really historic shift in the protest movement there if walker indeed went. well i can't really speak to that beyond you know people have their lives to live their jollies to go to so when something is outrageous it can only be outrageous for so long but i am a can in contact with. any of them and really angry just they don't have time to go to the state capitol every weekend and voice their outrage the thinking is though that they will on june fifth right i mean it is hard to go out there every day and when you are you know and you know working in network in class like a lot of people are in wisconsin which is this issue is all about and i wanted to ask your opinion on voter fraud i mean we know walker has a lot of ties to the industry and we already know about these scrub lists and i mean voting software that can flip the vote i mean do you think that there's going to be any dirty tricks in terms of regain the boat if you have an opinion on not

anything's possible and you know kathy nicholas over there in wisconsin has. sound you know thousands of votes on her computer before so anything's possible but on one bright side of this the kind of eliot that's the american legislative exchange council copecks legislating group modeled bill about voter id at the very least a judge has put that off so will not be in affects by june fifth so that in itself is good for the democrats. and i wanted to ask your opinion i just heard your your phone calls that you made every time you met your david koch and i just want to ask aaron what is the one thing that you kind of learned from speaking to him when he thought that you were a coke brother what did you take away from that well first of all just generally i learned that scott walker's not very bright second of all i think i've learned just

you know i had no idea but i didn't know how easy it would be to get him on the phone that was a little bit of a shock to. and i also wanted to talk about these fliers that have been you know they've been from some anonymous group in wisconsin there are these flyers kind of scathing teachers saying that and we're looking at them right now and it's talk out how teachers are enforcing a marxist agenda how they're sexualizing the youth and dr dating my people in the schools i mean we know that teachers were affected big time by this union busting ad for i mean what do you think that there's any chance that these flyers from the you know anonymous group are coming from the walker campaign. i would i have no doubt that it's involved with walker he may not know per se but i'd be highly surprised to learn it basically goes right in line with the koch brothers agenda this alec kind of agenda of privatizing schools as well and the most important

aspect of this whole thing you know walker's recently admitted that he's going to be going after private unions to it's. you know he said it was divide and conquer and the whole idea is to ruin and wreck unions because the unions are the ones who vote. or excuse me fund democratic candidates and the corporations and the rich believe the billionaires fund the republicans so in this kind of post citizens united where these two groups can spend unlimited amounts of money that's the ultimate end game and let's take this outside of wisconsin for a second i mean in light of the entire occupy wall street movement kind of erupting after all of this went down in wisconsin i mean with income inequality at such at such a forefront in the political dialogue right now how come we don't hear more about unionizing and really workers' rights with in that i mean where do you see this all going in light of this whole movement kind of exploding over the last year. well

you know it's heading in in the right direction generally but. i've had to say that it's by and large the fault of the democratic party they may co-opt some of this language but when you see their actions they speak much louder than their words what was it it's if workers' rights are infringed upon president obama was going to push his loafers on and go stand in the picket lines well that didn't happen in wisconsin and it's not by and large happening now. so i think a lot of people are kind of thinking we have to do something else and i think it really shows you i mean we can the workers cannot depend on really the federal level to care about unions it's really all about the grassroots just like it always has been thanks for joining us in i was in murphy editor at buffalo beast dot com technology is advancing by the second the government having a little bit of trouble keeping up especially when it comes to internet surveillance as a response the f.b.i. has formed a secret surveillance

a facility called the domestic communications assistance center base in quantico virginia and d.c. a c. for short and a task that inventing technology that will outpace local law enforcement's wiretapping capabilities now may seem like every day there's a new story about government wiretapping but will make this one so interesting is the incredible shroud of secrecy surrounding its formation the surveillance unit doesn't have a website and the f.b.i. has declined to comment on pretty much anything about its operations so what is really going on behind closed doors and what does this mean for our civil liberties earlier i was joined by the journalist who broke the story declan mccullough chief political correspondent for c.n.n. news i asked him what makes this facility so different than any other government wiretapping facility take a listen. well let's do this first this isn't actually going to be doing the wire taps it's going to be inventing the technology to do the wired right it's a small distinction but it's an interesting one and second this is kind of fun this is a government wide facility it's not just the f.b.i.

it also has the drug enforcement administration and u.s. marshals involved as a department just as wide facility and third as you said it's it's secret i'd like to know who's running at it like you know how many people are going to be involved but we know lou from some appropriations documents what the funding will be fifty million plus is what they're talking about but i'd like to just know a bit more about how the website. yeah web site would be nice that going off what you just said about how they're actually going to be doing the wiretapping just the invention of technology i wanted to read an excerpt that you actually had on your article that says it's important to point out that the n.b.c. ac will not be required for the actual execution of electronic surveillance court orders and will not have any direct operational or invest the investigative role and investigation so is this the f.b.i. kind of saying you know our hands are clean we're just kind of doing it we're just the thought in the end invention and we have nothing to do with the civil liberties or court orders i mean what does that really say you know that is the statement

they sent me which isn't really that descriptive it goes back to the fact that they're not exactly being terribly forthcoming about the center but. maybe one way to think about it is this the f.b.i. has a court orders in many cases to conduct surveillance on skype or google hangout or whatnot and they can't necessarily get the information from the companies in a format they can understand and they're kind of stuck in one thousand even one nine hundred ninety s. right more telephone wire house and have wireless thrown in but certainly not what we're encountering now on the internet so they want to wait to figure out how to make sense of it and this is what the d.c.-ac is designed to do it's designed to kind of be their little silicon valley research lab and they increase all those wonderful wiretapping technology that could you know as facebook google sky juno all these companies are. invested in this facility or are they just kind of i mean i know you mentioned that they were kind of in the lobbying saying of things that are you know if they're directly invested in this or working with the f.b.i.

this is. this is just ramping up they're just hiring i mean if you look at the job posting failing to from my article they were just posted last month and they closed a few weeks ago and so this is this is still a work in progress and so i had expected see some of the sort of beltway contractors these small shadowy companies you've never heard of those who can be the ones who are probably going to be providing some technical help the google microsoft facebook apple except they're more involved in the. legal end of this mean this is that what we're talking about the p.c.'s the is the technological solution to a great wiretap wiretapping is that understands that the legal component i wrote about a few weeks ago and that is let's have congress pass a law to make all these companies build back doors into their products to make them more wired and friendly and the companies don't exactly enthusiastic about this they're not saying so publicly because you don't want to give fight against the

f.b.i. at least until they see legislative language but apple and microsoft were lobbying on this according to the most recent disclosure documents and they're nominated so they're going to be quietly resisting and probably openly resisting when the time comes the legislation is actually going to house floor vote or something like that i was interested in the job description at all and i guess recruiting hackers pretty much to do their bidding but i wanted you to expand a little bit on the dark program what what's going on i know that we don't really know how much money is allocated specifically for the center but tell us a little bit more about what this new program is. well the going dark program has been talked about inside the f.b.i. for maybe five years or so so it's not exactly that new in a kinglet in new york times article and i elaborated on it in a piece that seen it a few weeks ago and the idea is that the f.b.i. is ability to consent to conduct surveillance is diminishing as technology advances this is what's called going dark they can't see any more right and so they know

they have a multi-pronged strategy and it's actually very interesting point to that scene a piece of few weeks ago but one of them is let's have a new law on data retention that would require internet service providers to keep track of what their users are doing for a dollar eighteen months and that cleared a house judiciary committee last year and it hasn't gone forward since i don't think they've given up so that pay attention to that and the second one is lobbying to make these social networking websites you know providers etc wiretap reading the third is the d.c.-ac which is the technological component if we can't. get a law enacted at least we can try to make more sense of the information. that going with such a widespread program that affects local national national and i'm on the federal level and also da is instead of all this i mean why do you think there is such a shroud of secrecy among a program that is so widespread and will be so. important and how it's actually not unprecedented i mean if you look at the look look back about ten years

actually like twelve years before the patriot act was was approved there was an alleged monster new jersey called scar and i covered his case in new jersey federal district court and the f.b.i. got a court order to sneak into this guy's office and install a key logger so they could record as p.g.p. encryption passphrase and they couldn't break it so they had just broken into his office to record it instead and they fought tooth and nail against disclosing this this was a national security secret a few years later i did a foyer request for information about have which is the f.b.i. says there's basically government spyware that the implant on the suspects computer hopefully with a court order and they also rejected a lot of information that they just don't like talking about their surveillance technology like some kind of understand that because of the bad guys know what they're doing and what the f.b.i. is doing and they can adjust accordingly so they tend to keep these things very

secret until very overt five years and the details come out and sawyer question aggression will respect committees and so on. it does seem to be a trend the secrecy with with wiretapping but i mean it seems like every new wiretapping scheme you could say i mean the five and also the patriot act it does seem like there is widespread government abuse of a of authority and overreaching of what they say they're specifically doing with these programs do you think that we will see some sort of government overstepping or overreaching with this program. well it's hard to say i mean this is just ramping up. a few points would be that. the f.b.i. would say if you asked them were not expanding our authority to wiretap with a d.c.-ac we're expanding our ability to actually make to make the wiretaps work in surveillance work and so that it would what they have said before but and the second is that ever since the patriot act was approved and it's expanded in

a bunch of different directions or lots of small expansions government ability to conduct surveillance we've seen some abuses of the surveillance the department of justice inspector general came out with a report saying that the f.b.i. had to use national security letters we've had sort of similar suggestions from members of both parties from the senate intelligence committee which has access to classified briefings about what's going on and so the best way to ensure that things are actually going to be done properly is probably a lot of sunlight a lot of public scrutiny of what's going on that is declan mccullagh chief political correspondent for saying that these days there's a video game for just about anything increasing in popularity are video games where you can actually play the villain or the victor in real world conflicts someone in some of them including iranian revolutionaries suicide bombers or u.s. soldiers now they even have one game where a level mimics the bin ladin raid so these games condition the youth of propaganda or they're just new inventive ways to engage kids in history while being

entertained more of the stories are teasing the stasi a charkha. once the traditional hero in an american computer game the brave u.s. soldier these days. there's a no way of good and bad guys to pick and choose from to make any gaming taste osama gadhafi and and list no name terrorists are increasingly breaking through in the world of virtual reality it shows that people aren't just going to buy the idea of the us run by globalist is always good never wore it stan and so i do think it overall reflects that people want to you know play the other side. looking in lockstep with the changing political realities computer games let the players imagination run wild i would pay good money to be a cat for an hour just to be in it's brain i mean you know why not so if i could play a game that allowed me to feel like you know a different person or a different gender or different

a different someone from another mother country or whatever i would love that. it is a form of entertainment and if he'd come sari creator of the blog buster grand theft auto says providing lots of sides to any story can revolutionize how games are played it's not a matter of bad guys going after good guys or good guys going after bad guys it's a matter of or whole bunch of people with being in a number of different colors and his latest game nine hundred seventy nine revolution is a multi hero game based on the iranian hostage crisis players can be american soldiers or iranian revolutionaries i'm not pointing to saying that americans are bad or iranians are bad i'm saying the situation is bad just days after osama bin laden's death again recreating the raid appeared gamers choose to kill or protect america's number one terrorist for some the idea of playing the traditional bad guy is offensive even anti-american but with the brutality of america's wars having

blurred the lines of what's acceptable in the real world the virtual world has caught up we see torture being sold is good we're seeing preemptive war as good we're seeing classical police state actions as good. really just take the humanity completely out of war so why not play the part of the bad guys i mean you know ten years ago it was the bad guys that tortured now we're told the good guys torture columnist and author ted rall says what you play. doesn't reflect who you are then it's little kid if you if you play too much with the black crayon they called you down to the principal's office and sent you to the school psychiatry just because you had suicidal thoughts the u.s. military is reportedly disenchanted with its successful recruiting tool video games growing diversity the dilemma for the videogame industry is that you know that the enemy the so-called enemy that's being fought in the us wars are just poor people in other countries and trying to turn them into something else is just isn't rooted

in reality that's why the military is upset about this is because they want to see the people they're saying is the enemy as these you know faceless demons that really aren't people despite having the biggest military budget in the world and pentagon funding of combat games that aim to promote the idea of america as the super hero the u.s. is finding it is no longer the only player in town and they see a churkin i r t new york you know when i was in school you really needed to piss the teacher off to get suspended i've been on your phone or listening to music during class but nowadays it seems like all you do is look at the teacher cross-eyed in order to get suspended from school recently there's been a saloon of ridiculous and trite school suspensions ranging from a student hugging one another to having a distracting haircut our school going too far to try to keep kids in line to discuss this and more i was joined earlier by comedian dean obeidallah first his reaction to this recent suspensions. things have changed so much when i was

a kid you had to stab somebody. now it's really changed i mean i'm not even kidding there was a kid when i was in school who would kiss all the girls in the class and he was been told by the teacher ten times to stop doing it over a year he was never suspended detained now you hug someone literally in florida you hug a kid hug another student not against the students we'll just hug is against the rules because it's sexual harassment in terms of the school so they err on the side of complete conformity having a society in a way a school society where individual ism is completely suppressed for having cattle you're raising sheep and to me that's really the most worrisome part i mean the kid cutting his hair in the shape of an n.b.a. player actually got rewarded by the n.b.a. player with free tickets to the game and supported graf swag so it kind of worked out ok for that kid right right i mean yeah i mean i remember when i was in school and kids were making out all over the place i mean when you hug someone and apparently there's strict rules against that i mean who knew do you think it was just started laying hands on having fine or what. i think it look i think everyone

knows that kids and adults we know the difference between somebody holding someone because they're friends or there's mutual hugging or somebody's sexually harassing that person and i understand the school wanting to prevent harassment so there's a bright line rule no hugging but i mean can we make some kind of accommodation people like that hug maybe ten second rule you can hold for ten seconds in the wrong as anything longer is kind of creepy and weird you know and if a student complains about being how that's different than what is being sexually harassed a student should go to their teacher immediately and tell them about that but students being friends and showing some physical affection we do this we're human beings i can't help it we hug people it doesn't mean i'm sexually harassing them hopefully it doesn't mean that if i was they would tell me well what about this nine year old boy who was overheard by a substitute teacher saying that his teacher was cute and the substitute you know told authorities about it and the kid actually got suspended for sexual harassment

. there's not even words to make any sense here it's not like the student whatever for the whole class and call the teacher cute actually when i first read it i thought the kid was being sarcastic oh you're so cute but it wasn't like that he was being sincere and he just told another student he didn't do it for the class and was in a what's wrong with calling somebody cute in today's world where we come that you can't accomplish but someone for being attractive i hope people say i'm cute i'm not offended by that it's a nice thing you know it's i think we're losing our way a little bit these are not the fights should be happening in school about seeing cute or getting a weird haircut if kids are getting along if they're not fighting and not disrupting class and they're being a little different or a little ridge you know i think it's a great thing i think on some level it should be encouraged but there is a balance between you know classroom organization and administration and you know the kid being individual i understand there's a balance in schools but it just seems so sterile the world they want to create now will dean how did this happen i mean you know when we you know when i was in high school this was not i did not encounter anything like this it seems like you're

reading case in case again of just these absurd things how why is this happening and why are school educators coming down so hard on kids and kind of preventing them from having any sort of fun. i think it has to do in a large part to avoid any problems so you put these these bright line rules and you see well you can't do this so this will avoid any other problems even though this is ok i call you might be ok but what is it going to lead to that's always the argument school and i used to be a lawyer so believe me i understand that litigation and certainly there's a fear of litigation you know there's cost involved in the fending yourself against a lawsuit if this student says i've been sexually harassed my teachers didn't prevent it that parents not only will sue the other students family they're going to sue the school as well and that's a cost over and over again that schools have to incur so a lot of this is simply avoid litigation costs by. implementing rules that are so ridiculous to us when we look at them from the outside they will it's better to be safe than sorry but there's also a loss of that safe than sorry always of the mean a loss of individual thinkers of people being encouraged to be leaders encouraged

to be different and instead a world of cattle when i was a kid the teachers say of your friend jumped off the building are you going to jump off the building well now we're telling all the students to follow a straight line and i think it all out it's out of the box and i think that's more worrisome if one day i have kids i will tell them to hug their students as much as possible i don't care if they even have an ak. and i have to back them on their side it's my kid i'm like you're going to get it but long as they don't fight you know they don't want your hug them down hug them that's different. really does seem like their thing can form and kind of teach you how to say yeah good a good you know civil servant there you this is political correctness gone complete we are right. i don't know to me i think political correctness is involved more when we're dealing with issues of someone making racial comments homophobic comments and the comments that kind of stuff i don't think that i really think it's about fear of litigation and that's really i mean when i was a kid we didn't have litigation as much as we do now and i used to be a lawyer so i probably contributed to it but i make up for it by being

a comedian so i think i'm determining the penalties i've done this my penalties make people laugh now as a jester instead of suing people but i think a lot has to do with liability insurance of voiding lawsuits everyone wants to cover their backside and the easiest way to set up the lines that are way beyond what you need so even if someone crosses the exit well this was the rules we had these were regulations they were in place and the kid violated even though we told them not to so they're insulated from liability so much of our reaction in american society is in response to lawsuits and here it is it means happening right here in the school system what about what about the fear that instilled in kids i mean it you know chivalry apparently is not only dead but you can get suspended for it this kid just opened a door for an adult i was you know our hands were full and he opened it very generously and you got to spend it for it because the school was just like you know you can't just let anyone come in the building without signing and passing all do you think any procedure is i mean what is that to be honest. i think that

helping a person with their hands full helping a woman pushing a baby carriage or an elderly person in through a door should be encouraged of course but this one goes the balancing test because you know a school has that security if they let in someone who is not permitted there not been signed in who knows who that person does maybe they commit a horrendous crime so i mean this one is really not as clear as the other one is a balancing you have to security for students and letting someone in even if you might know them if they're not signing by the school that could be a problem for other students so to me that was the least troublesome you know the six year old kid singing a song and getting suspended because it had some sexually suggestive language but as a song he was repeating he didn't make this up it wasn't a poem it was comedian dean obeidallah and that does it for now for more on the stories we covered go to youtube dot com slash arche america or check out our website or to dot com slash usa you can also follow me on twitter at abby martin c.n.n. half hour.