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georgian capital resort two people killed but only on a verse three critics are still accusing the country's state media of silence in voices of discontent. the next alga know of russians a justice minister under the spotlight to ask about the challenges facing the country's legal system. glen. powell again a welcome to spotlight. on. the . russian city of st petersburg has recently become the place for

a legal profession to gather and share. the second. farm took place there attracting specialists from over fifty countries probably because in the modern world different legal and judicial systems just can't help but copyright conflicts so what's. the cost to the candidates thank you for pouring out. the rough justice to. the main ideal the st petersburg legal forum is to provide a dialogue platform for lawyers politicians and economists it was founded by the russian justice ministry and for now is the only band of its kind in scale this year over two thousand people from fifty one countries came to the forum thirteen delegations were headed by top officials including the u.s. attorney general eric holder and the british justice secretary.

thank you for being with us and welcome to welcome to the show well. this is a forum that you attended the st petersburg international legal forum it was the second and. well in this period we have that any practical results that we reached the go because last year you also talked about many things many topics many many problems was something didn't you during these twelve months between the first thank you for your interest for for the u.n. because we do believe the international are legal forms and could really become some kind of very comfortable very friendly ground for the lawyers from all over the world to discuss different problems of law practice and just to socialize which other establish some long term but it's not i'm sure it's not just a club it's a workshop around the real absolutely but of course we do believe that establishing

your links also why it's a very nice idea and what about comparing this event with there. that happened last year first of all the number of the participants of the just tripled and number of the internet for into the geisha also doubled we had approximately ninety five last year this year more than fifty and the number of official delegation is also was very big and very excellent speakers just like a sign of the turn of the united states of america mr holder and the chancellor of the u.k. mr clarke and mr justice of china are public and quite a lot of very brilliant academicians and practitioners as well so in terms of the results of the forum i should say i should confess that of course we know they cannot make over and the candidates resign their results as assigned through it isn't the deals in your counterparts but. the most important results to all mind of

such an event is a call to was discussion and our grow our idea is to gather together lawyers from the different countries first of all but on the other hand of different legal specialisations because there are some advance in the world well known and well it just lie there and before i let it go to go from five to six thousand people at the moment but all their turn is all their advocacy and as far as assent visibility go foremost concern people from different specialisations advocacy notary scientists prosecutors legal advisors not are everybody and this is for a it's quite a unique chance to organize a very high color discussion so this was the main result of the forum that most some steps forward and increase in this quality well we just saw the russian prime minister here and screen world. print is the mid if you spoke in c.

newsgroup on may seventeenth and here's what he said i quote a good law means an adequate balance between the interests of the state and interests of the society and quit can you explain mr minister what other interests does a state have other than the interests of the snidey interests of people of course it's a question of right and by the way not the words of by the prime minister has accorded the great great a lot of the bravest times and. it's always a question what is strategy what is the tactics because the state should think for some period apart for some period looking forward for some event has been developed and the private person is more concentrated present on its. situation so this probably some kind of misunderstanding but of course the proper source aside

of the proper state the proper country and the problem little system are. one have a situation of trying to get the opinion of each other together and. when the lawyers and the politicians have some kind of misunderstanding in just have an idea what are the motivations or the priorities of the society the list they should be not efficient and the other hand much more worse is that they can lead to the very very bad final results adult. present put in turkey introducing the new government introducing the new ministers including yourself and you kept your place in government you're one of the few ministers to actually kept you please he was talking about the need for change that a new government seventy five percent of which is new is

a government of change does that mean that you can't i mean you're keeping your place that there's going to be no change in your ministry or you're planning some is changed there's a first question is definitely. doesn't and that's for a second a second question is yes of course of course for sure. you know that. the legal practice should be more than should be obviated every day and nowadays is even much more important because their present world president economy and social sphere hemant are in serious a so then any saw mobile the little buggers the legislation and laws themselves should change themselves. and there are more than way other ways there will be no efficient and of course our ministry is also should be in the dram and of course i wanted to should also you get to organize organize all of the

important reforms and of course where you get to prolong to go on with all that it was we've started already you're on the stain on mr medvedev and his office and on the hand of a still have we have this to have some some some new york forms where you get a start again in the question on the congress you held in st petersburg you personally will mediating the panel on the balance between the efficiency of police and the rule of law is that right as well to what conclusions did the town your car movies conclusions be taken into account by the russian lawyers only because you know this problem that that if you need if you need to introduce the rule of law the police big becomes the well and efficient police is believed that can sometimes break the law absolutely but what i was going to that is just not all of the russian everybody was lucy that hollywood movies. should go further and so the idea

is the question is quite simple on the one hand you have some new threats very important very serious threats so to save to preserve our society our family is. safe and it kept provided from from all these threats we should be efficient they should be probably sophisticatedly efficient nowadays using all the president acknowledges just to come by its crime it is also very very sophisticated nowadays on the other hand we should follow the principle of rule of law and that means that we should invent some new evidences some new your ways to organize the proceedings of the people committing criminal crimes. and just to establish the final result as the quartz police somebody is gilding in this crimes being committed because of course we can concentrate only on being efficient and we

could shoot a can bomb anybody who is really a dangerous person or it isn't dangerous state but it's not a way it's not a proper way because sooner or later it will lead to some new problems in this region with this people with his relatives with his surroundings and so on and so forth so what we do need is to establish some new york some new procedures of gathering together all the evidences and what's more important in presenting them to the courts and what's more important to improve the trust of the jurisdictions to each other because if we do not trust each other when other fission especially is so actually a global world so what was about the results of the discussion i do believe it was quite interesting and on the other hand we probably didn't mean to manage to make some summer home global decisions and some. just some global ideas but still the

results of the discussion according to my mind the were pretty important one of their was is that all their members all the participants of this panel of this discussion. pointed out that it's absolutely not allowed to go on where the violence with breaking the law with ignoring the rule of law principle here only if they want to be real efficient the second day the was is that into my mind it's was really a brilliant idea is that we should may the people the citizens of the states be involved in the process of competent crime because people should organize each other people should cooperate with the police with a special several of the militia which will hold the door of those. of course of course not all but some brilliant examples would represent a during this discussion from the other spot of the worlds when the bibble of some

local community faced this new threats probably not so global threats like international terrorism or piracy but for example some new some new again and some new organized crime group they. gathered together and do something to come by this they have the police there are more organized more that try to do their best to cooperate with the people who are in charge of the crime says alexander cannot our love for russian justice minister complied we'll be back shortly after we take a break so stay with us and.

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welcome back to spotlight i'm older knob and just a reminder that my guest on the show today is alexander can the run of russian justice minister well at the conference in st peter's we've also discussed well of course it did lead the new trends the new trends international trends in civil law will some of these trends be borne rode by by the russians i should say they're all that has been moving because during the compass new draft lore of the newer direction know the civil code of russian federation quite a lot of very new extremely new i should say and how aspects baba who are a technologist practices has been included in this draft law at the same time. that we had and some is some way that had to struggle as a moderators of their in this prepare a proper hour and work on the as last stage i mean the work of preparing this draft

law the new civil code of russia a struggle with some some people some group of activists there were even more evolution there were even more radical there insisted this adjusted it's quiet a lot of the can all share from the british commercial or should be taken should be involved in the new draft law and probably some people who merc and so do the thinking there are probably right on the at least at this. moment because using all these very fresh very new instruments and bringing them exactly in the exact look alike to their russian legal system probably should not be very efficient nowadays but at the same time of course i can agree with mr clarke of the low chancel of the united kingdom why he told the. during one of the spinal discussions on a forum that we should not for attacks are a lot a legal system just a in terms of protectionism of course it should be open it is up on what they would

do like it or not because all the big russian business it still goes to their jurisdiction so that foreign commercial arbitrary and using their british commercial or and in its end as big deals so that doesn't mean we should cause of weight our legal system we should take all the best from their international global legal practice which should do it in a proper way and step by step and harmonizing this new instruments with our president station quite well here's another story that's been done in eighteen only leader but also the high level politics over the last couple of years russian citizen to boot is currently serving his twenty five years prison in the states after a trial that was can. them by russia spotlights you know who has more on this high profile case. take to boot a former soviet military officer was arrested in thailand four years ago on an

interpol notice the u.s. state department charged him with conspiring to use anti aircraft missiles and selling millions of dollars worth of weapons to the cool and then rebel groups fark . victor boot who was nicknamed the merchant of death in america has always pleaded innocence in two thousand and ten two he's a brute was arrested he was extradited to the us to trial there and the insurer in april this year was sentenced to twenty five years in prison which is way he's now russia has repeatedly condemned boots trial on the grounds that the charges were not connected to any crime but rather to criminal intent the russian foreign ministry labeled the case politically motivated and said it had blacklisted u.s. officials who were involved puts case came under the spotlight again in may when the u.s. attorney general eric holder visited st petersburg for the international legal

forum he told russian reporters the u.s. may considering that placation to transfer a victim boot to serve his prison term in russia. what is interesting in this whole story about about transferring boot back to russia to serve a sentence here is that it came from the americans and when we ask the russians they say well well well it's ask americans they they mentioned it not us as i as the minister of justice can you say that russia is interested in seeing that russia will be trying to to to bring this to do that. according to international order of doing such things the very first person who should be interested as mr bott himself the should should be and should be here i'm sorry why should he be interested because because the conditions in russian jails are better than the condition of

the american. think while i don't know why should he be interested to know what is the motivation for each particular person should be different but it's an all or all the story starts from there from a claim of the person being being assigned and. in some other country just to bring him back to his own country after that we should ask their america for it is about some documents concerning the process and wish the faction to prove he's has been pleaded guilty and all this stuff concerned cause a decision should be presented to the russian one of the presidents when you got russians from the states where only one of them during the last six years so after going further just practice cooperating of the united between the united states and russia is extremely poor given it extremely poor and probably that was their idea of where i want to go to hold. so so he actually won still wants to go on with this

but is it going to be you i mean your ministry or is it going to be the foreign affairs ministry yeah our ministers should. or should prepare the final final to the minister of justice of the united states of america. to present as some arguments that that will that well they're convinced they. don't think so or just say we want them and that's just the ordinary practice of all these decisions is as a background to should have three. positions of all the position of the person being sentenced and the position of the country that is. going to transfer him and the third is there is going to accept it so we should organize this these corporations how many very interesting question i had when i heard about this to listen when boot was arrested and later a sentence the russian foreign ministry more than once said that russia's position

is that the trial was not fair on the boot the minister who is not guilty and that he is wrongly accused which means that if the americans sent him to you he will. free immediately because moscow thinks he's not guilty is the interest of the us some government can show the future fred that doesn't ban trans fat and in this in these stories some ideas of the country that. sound as the person also should be recognized by the by the other party but of course the united staes do understand it's all the russian legislation will be the same for there for mr bush if he comes back to russia as well as far as far as i know their idea of the american authorities is just to be sure that scientists in the united states person at least one half of an american jail so probably that question could be good to be

sold but probably not as soon as it's a lot i would like to read about ten years there. i don't play i don't know exactly what what you did but it was not very soon i believe mr holder by the way he told only he was actually he was asked by the russian journalist by the russian mass media so he was no the guy who initiated the story well we are. the only point out only one thing we are going to notice paper and just to have some discussion about it and i was told that they are going to. miss to trying to transfer but emitted into russia and now the story from for from the papers a recent story russian pilot constantin your shrink was charged with drug smuggling into the us and sentenced to twenty years in prison fined americans with you know this story of course today the russian media quoted an unnamed source in your

ministry saying that he had a sugar has passed the note through diplomats he passed it to moscow and in this note he says he fears for his life in american prison that his life is in danger and asked to be extra. ited to russia under the convention on the transfer of sins what how can you comment on that or first of all of course i can prove i can i can tell that's where we're really sounded by a. mr yushchenko transfer into russia. i can't be sure exactly what are the conditions stay nowadays in american jail but to what i'm really sure in is that there are conditions in american jails or another account. and what about the your franco's case and the boots case nowadays it's for us it's some kind of technical work just to use all the international conventions mechanism to bring the citizen of russian federation back it could be different attitude to

them but still the position of the country is that the russian citizens should be punished in their own country and on the other hand probably what's more important all this it is the russian federation as well of all the people all over the world should be a political t. only on the basis of a very probable decision on the very proper lore so what is disappointing us in all in the both of those cases is that the country that sentenced them both of them used some not very clear not very transparent acknowledges for a practice and law pretended to practice law because now we're coming probably in some paradox to the to your first question concerned in the row of their one of the first questions concern and there are zero of their international cooperation over the lawyers concerned the rule of law and with the balance so the efficiency and

struggle and combine of the crime because one one jurisdiction probably very strong very efficient israel is sure that it should be extra territorial and it should have a right to proceed to people everybody not recognizing the rule. yes and the laws on the legislations of the other countries it could be efficient for some period of time but it's not a had could lead to very big mistakes and on the other hand he could lead some once upon a time to some global conflict you know well really tough job you're doing because because and your kids it's just as i did like with doctors your mistake is a tragedy for for for for somebody maybe for life thank you thank you very very much for being with us today then just a reminder that my guest was alexander kind of wrong on russian justice in the past and that's it for now for all of us here spotlight will be back until then stay in our to take place.

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