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of discontent. up next al gore enough puts russia's justice minister under the spotlight to ask about the challenges facing russia's legal system stay with us. glenn. hello again a welcome to spotlight. on. today my. russia city of st petersburg has recently become the place for a legal profession to gather and share. the second and national legal farm took

place there attracting specialists from over fifty countries probably because in the modern world different legal and judicial systems just can help with copyright and conflicts so what's being done. today. thank you for pouring out. justice to. the main ideal the st petersburg legal forum is to provide a dialogue platform for lawyers politicians and economists it was founded by the russian justice ministry and for now is the only event of its kind in scale this year over two thousand people from fifty one countries came to the forum thirteen delegations were headed by top officials including the u.s. attorney general eric holder and the british justice secretary. thank you for being with us and welcome to welcome to the show well. this is

a forum that you attended the st petersburg international legal forum it was the second and since last. you know in this period where there is any practical results that we reached the go because last year you also talked about many things many topics many many problems was something didn't you during these twelve months between firms well thank you for your interest for for the u.n. because we do believe the international are legal forms and could have could really become some kind of very comfortable very friendly for the lawyers from all over the world to discuss different problems of law practice and just to socialize which other disturbed or some long term but it's not actually it's not just a club it's a workshop around the relapse of there but of course we do believe that establishing your links also why it's a very nice idea and what about comparing this event with there. that happened last

year first of all the number of the participants of the just tripled and number of internet for into the geisha also doubled we had approximately ninety five last year this year more than fifty and the number of official locations also was very big and very conspicuous just like a turn of the united states of america mr holder and the chancellor of the u.k. mr clarke and mr justice of china are public and quite a lot of very brilliant academicians and practitioners as well so in terms of the results of the forum i should say i should confess that of course we know they cannot make over and the candidates resign their results as assigned through it isn't the deals in your counterparts but. the most important results to all mind of such an event is a call to was discussion and our grow our idea is to gather together lawyers from the different countries first of all but on the other hand of different legal

specialisations because there are some advance in the world well known and well it just lie there and before him that go to go from five to six thousand people at the moment but all their turn is they all their advocacy and as far as ascent visibility go for most concerned people from different specialisations advocacy notary scientists prosecutors legal advisers not are everybody and this is for a it's quite a unique chance to organize a very high color discussion so this was the main result of the forum that makes some steps forward and increase in this quality well we just saw the russian prime minister here and screen world. print is the myth that if he spoke you see i'm a seventy and here's what he said i quote a good law means an adequate balance between the interests of the state and

interests of the society and quit can you explain mr minister what other interests does a state have other than the interests of the ninety interest of people of course it's a question of about right and by the way not the words of by the prime minister has accorded the great great a lot of the bravest times and. it's always a question what is strategy what is the tactics because the state should think for some period apart for some period looking forward for some event has been developed and the private person is more concentrated present on its. situation so this probably some kind of misunderstanding but of course the proper source aside in the proper state the proper country and the problem little system are. one have

a situation of trying to get the opinion of each other together and. when the lawyers and the politicians have some kind of misunderstanding in just have an idea what are the motivations or the priorities of the society list and they should be not efficient and the other hand was much more worse is that they can lead to the very very bad final results adult. present put in turkey introducing the new government introducing the new ministers including yourself and you kept your place the only one of the few ministers to actually kept you please he was talking about the need for change then a new government seventy five percent of which is needed is a government of change does that mean that you can't i mean you keeping your place that there is going to be no change in your ministry or your planning some is

changed there's a first question is definitely. doesn't and that's for a second a second question is yes of course of course for sure. you know that. the legal practice should be more than should be obviated every day and nowadays is even much more important because there are at present the world president economy and social sphere hemant are in serious or so than any saw mobile the little buggers the legislation and laws themselves should change themselves. and there are more than way other ways there will be no efficient and of course our ministers also should be in the trend and of course our minutes too should also get to organize organize all of the important reforms and of course where you get to prolong to go on with all that if wars were started already you're on the stain of

mr many that if in his office and on the hand of a still have we have is to have some some some new york forms where you get a start again in the question on the congress you held in st petersburg you personally will mediating the panel on the balance between the efficiency of police and the rule of law is that right as well that to what conclusions did the power of your car movies conclusions be taken into account by the russian lawyers only because you know this problem that that if you need if you need to introduce the rule of law the police big becomes the well and efficient police is believed that can sometimes break the law absolutely but what i was going to that is just not all of the russians should know everybody this lucy that hollywood movies. should go further and so the idea is the question is quite simple on the one hand you have some new threats very important very serious threats so to save to preserve our

society our family is. safe and kept provided from from all these threats we should be efficient they should be probably sophisticatedly efficient nowadays using all the president acknowledges just to come by its crime it is also very very sophisticated nowadays on the other hand we should follow the principle of rule of law and that means that we should invent some new evidences some your ways to organize the proceedings of the people committing criminal crimes. and just to establish the final result as the quartz police somebody is gilding in this crimes being committed because of course we can concentrate only on being efficient and we could shoot a can bomb anybody who was really a dangerous person or it isn't dangerous state but it's not a way it's not

a proper way because sooner or later it will lead to some new problems in this region with this people with his relatives with his surroundings and so on and so forth so what we do need is to establish some new york some new procedures of gathering together all the evidences and what's more important in presenting them to the courts and what's more important to improve the trust of the jurisdictions to each other because if we do not trust each other when other fish and especially it's so actually a global world so what was the result of the discussion i do believe it was quite interesting and on the other hand we probably didn't mean to manage to make some summer home global decisions. to invent just some global ideas but still the results of the discussion according to my mileage were pretty important one of their was is that all their members all the participants of this panel of this

discussion. pointed out that it's absolutely not allowed to go on where the violence would break in the war with ignoring the rule of law principle here only if they want to be real efficient the second was is that into my mind it's was really a brilliant idea is that we should made the people the citizens of the states be involved in the process of competent crime because people should organize each other people should cooperate with the police with a special several of the militia which will hold the door of those. of course of course not all but some brilliant examples would represent a during this discussion from the other spot of the worlds when the people of some local community face time this new threats probably not so global threats like international terrorism or piracy but for example some new some new again and some

new organized crime group they. gathered together and do something to come by this may help the police there are more organized more that try to do their best to cooperate with the people who are in charge of the crime says alexander cannot varlet for russian justice minister complied we'll be back shortly after we take a break so stay with us and.

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welcome back to spotlight i'm older knob and just a reminder that my guest on the show today is alexander cannot run russian justice minister well at the conference in st peter's we've also discussed well of course it did lead the new trends the new trends international trends in civil law will some of these trends be borne rode by by the russians hard to say they're all that has been because during the work on this new draft lore of the newer direction of the civil code the russian federation quiet a lot of very new extremely new i should say and some aspects barber who were lucian there are technologists practices has been included in this draft law at the

same time i have to confess that we had some in some way and had to struggle as a moderate as of there in this prepare a proper and work on the as last stage i mean the work of preparing this draft law the new civil code of russia struggled with some some people some group of activists there were even more evolution there were even more radical their sister this adjusted it's quite a lot of to can all share from the british commercial or should be taken should be involved in these new draft law and probably some people have a marker so to thinking they're probably right on the at least at this. moment because using all these very fresh very new instruments and bringing them exactly in the exact look alike to their russian legal system probably should not be very efficient nowadays but at the same time of course i can agree with mr kellogg

a lot chancel the united kingdom why he told is. during one of the spinal discussions on a forum that we should not for attacks are a lot of legal system. and just in terms of protection is of course it should be open at the years of why they would do like it or not because all the big russian business is still goes to their jurisdiction so they for a commercial arbitrary and using their british commercial or and and it's and as big deals so the doesn't mean we should concentrate our legal system we should take all the best from their international global legal practice to do it in a proper way and step by step and harmonizing this new your instruments with our president station quite well here's another story that's been dominating not only leader but also the high level politics over the last couple of years russian citizen there to boot is currently serving his twenty five years prison then those

in the united states after a trial that was condemned by russia's spotlights you know the media has more on this high profile case. to boot a former soviet military officer was arrested in thailand four years ago on an interpol notice the u.s. state department charged him with conspiring to use anti aircraft police aisles and silly millions of dollars worth the weapons to the cool and then rebel group market . victor boot who was nicknamed the merchant of death in america has always pleaded innocence in two thousand and ten two he's a brute was arrested he was extradited to the us he stood trial there and of in chile in april this year was sentenced to twenty five years in prison which is way he's now russia has repeatedly condemned boots trial on the grounds that the charges were not connected to any crime but rather to criminal intent the russian

foreign ministry labeled the case politically motivated and said it had blacklisted u.s. officials who were involved puts case came under the spotlight again in may when the u.s. attorney general eric holder visited st petersburg for the international legal forum he told russian reporters the u.s. may considering that placation to transfer a victim boot to serve his prison term in russia. what is interesting in this whole story about about transferring boot back to russia to service and syria is that it came from the americans and when we ask the russians they say well well well it's ask americans they they mentioned it not us as a as the minister of justice can you say that russia is interested in seeing that russia will be trying to to to bring this to believe that. according to international

order for doing such things the very first person who should be interested as mr bott himself the should should be and should be here i'm sorry why should he be interested because because the conditions in russian jails are better than the condition of the american. think while i don't know why should we be interested to know what is the motivation for each particular person should be different but it's an all or all the story starts from the from a claim of the person being being assigned and. in some other country just to bring him back to his own country after that we should ask their american authorities about some documents concerning the process and wish the faction to prove that he's has been pleaded guilty and all this stuff concerned their cause decision should be presented to the russian one of the presidents when you got russians from the states where only one of them during the last six years so after going further just

practice cooperating of the united between the united states and russia is extremely poor given it extremely poor and probably that was their idea of where i want to go to hold. so so he actually won still wants to go on with this but is it going to be you i mean your ministry or is it going to be the foreign affairs ministry yeah our ministers should. or should prepare the final final to the minister of justice of the united states of america. to france there are some arguments that that will that well they're convinced they. don't think so or just say we want them and that's just the ordinary practice of all these decisions is as a bag would have three. positions of all the position of the person being sentenced and the position of the country that is. going to

transfer him and the third is going to accept it so we should organize this these corporations how many very interesting question i had when i heard about this to listen when boot was arrested and later a sentence the russian foreign ministry more than once said that russia's position is that the trial was not fair the booth mr bush is not guilty and that he is wrongly accused which means that if the americans sent him to you he will. free immediately because moscow thinks he's not guilty his interest because there are some current. the future fred that doesn't being trans fat and in this and these stories some ideas of the country that. sound as the person also should be recognized by the by the other party but of course the united staes do understand it's all the russian legislation will be the same for there for mr bush

if he comes back to russia as well that's far as far as i know their idea of the american authorities is just to be sure that a scientist in the united states person should stay at least a half an american jail so probably that question could be good to be sold but probably not as soon as it's a lot i would like to be about ten years there. i don't play i don't know exactly what what you do but it was not very soon i believe mr holder by the way had told only he was actually he was asked by the russian journalist by the russian mass media so he was no the guy who initiated the story well we are. the only point out only one thing we are going to notice paper and just to have some discussion about it and i was told that they are going to. miss the train to transfer but i made it into russia and now the story from for from the papers

a recent story russian pilot constantin yet a shrink was charged with drug smuggling into the us and sentenced to twenty years in prison blind americans would you know this story of course today the russian media quoted an unnamed source in your ministry saying that he had a sugar has passed the note through diplomats he passed it to moscow and in this note he says he fears for his life in american prison that his life is in danger and asks to be extra. ited to russia under the convention on the transfer of sins what how can you comment on that or first of all of course i can prove i can i can tell that's where we're really santa barbara. mr yushchenko transferring to russia . i can't be sure exactly what are the conditions stay nowadays in american jail but to what i'm really sure you know is that there are conditions in american jails

or another account and what about the yard franco's case and the boots case nowadays it's for us it's some kind of technical work just to use all the international conventions mechanism to bring the citizen of russian federation back it could be different that it did them but still the position of the country is that the russian citizens should be punished in their own country and on the other hand probably what's more important all this is the russian federation as well of all the people all over the world should be a political t. only on the basis of the very probable on the very proper lore so what is disappointing us in all is in the both of those cases is that the country that sentenced them both of them used some not very clear not very transparent acknowledges for a practicing law prevented to practice law because now we're coming probably in

some paradox to the to your first question because that in there oh of their one of the first questions concern and there are zero of their international cooperation over the lawyers concerned the rule of law and over the balance so the efficiency and struggle and combine of the crime because one one jurisdiction probably very strong very efficient israel is sure that it should be extra territorial and it should have a right to proceed to people everybody not recognizing the rule. yes and the laws on the legislations of the other countries it could be official and for some period of time but it's not a had could lead to very big mistakes and on the other hand is could lead some once upon a time to some global conflict well really tough job you're doing it because because and your cancer it just as i did like with doctors your mistake is a tragedy for for for for somebody maybe for life thank you thank you very very

much for being with us today then just a reminder that my guest was alexander kind of long russian justice in the past and that's it for now for all of us here spotlight will be back until then stay in part to take care. of. the mission would be so much brighter if you knew me by someone from feinstein question. who's going to start on t.v. dot com.