i'm talking of course about what's been dubbed the fiscal cliff of tax cuts expiring and spending cuts set to kick in all next year at around the same time now the concern is that washington will fly right off that cliff with no parachute except maybe a few golden one for the usual wall street executives and meanwhile the ratings agency fitch is warning it could cost the u.s. as aaa credit rating if congress and white house and the white house don't come up with a credible fiscal consolidation plan so deflationary threats looming but is a credit class unavoidable mike long is here with his deviation to inflation forecast and gold's recent slump has the mainstream media talking about a golden bear market threat but guesses reportedly even mine billionaire hedge fund manager george soros and he is not the only heavy hitter we'll talk about it let's

get to today's capital account. but reserve chairman the central planner in chief ben bernanke trotted to the hill today to give another one of his economic outlook speeches as traders of course listen carefully for any news that might give them an edge on their daily speculations hoping to make a quick buck a quick buck it seems is all that americans can hope to make these days with interest rates suppressed at near zero for almost four years now forcing more and more hardworking people to speculate on riskier assets if they would like any sort of return on their money at all now for those who are less inclined to spin the

roulette wheel there is always the comfort of your mattress which guarantees a return of at least some of your money whatever is not confiscated through what mr bernanke is so euphemistically calls quantitative easing we call it counterfeiting more confrontational folks may refer to it as outright theft some beneficials though most notably fed gov janet yellen says there may be more ahead they've been hinting that the central bank may ease yellin in a recent speech to the boston economic club advocated for an extended period of highly accommodative monetary policy these are of course more euphemisms as part of the central bankers efforts to revive the economy believing the economic future of the country rests on their atlee and shoulders look at ben bernanke there but doesn't really and what if you don't trust policymaking academics with track

records as bad as the feds to run the economy anyway for example listen to bernanke he did a talking about the bank stress tests to also show that even to extremely adverse hypothetical economic scenario most of those firms would remain able to provide credit to u.s. households and businesses. really based on what the assumptions for an adverse scenario that the fed came up with with the wisdom out of their own academic papers combined with what banks are theoretically supposed to do exactly so what if you just want to work save invest and live without scanning frantically through policy statements press releases and federal reserve minutes every time you go to open your wallet well our next guest has some solutions of bizarre own that maybe will be a little more concise than those fed documents he's mike maloney founder of gold silver

dot com and author of guide to investing and gold and silver it's part of the rich dad poor dad series and just the person to talk about all of this so first thanks so much for being on the show thank you lauren how are you doing i'm doing well it's nice to see it looks like a beautiful day in the leg great day to talk about the fed i guess there's some sunshine where you are maybe less if this but that is what everybody is looking at it and whether or not there is going to be q e three and this is really been this speculation or the question since at least q.e. two ended which was well over a year ago i was in two thousand and eleven so we did see operation twist my question to you aside from the obvious which is that q we has not worked and has produced a lot of unintended consequences in your view is there maybe any other reason why bernanke has not been able to initiate q e three yet. well if you do it too soon on the heels of q.e.

two i think you would have seen gold shoot for the moon and you would see oil back up above one forty in the u.s. economy grinding to a halt because just simply from the anticipation of inflation. they had to you know right now we've got this great pullback in gold which is to me is just another buying opportunity. silver you know it still hasn't even reached its nine hundred eighty high of fifty dollars and here we are in two thousand and twelve it with these these huge stimulus packages i think q e three is an inevitability it's just a matter of time ben bernanke made all of his intentions very clear even before he became fed governor in some of his speeches in papers he's basically an inflationists he's alan greenspan had one solution to every problem print currency ben bernanke he is of the same school yeah so we can have more to come that we can

expect and your view in my view and a lot of people's views so let's talk about inflation because that's something that that you just brought up and bernie of course talked about it today is that inflation is dead he said he's not worried about deflation right now i want to bring up your predictions for what would happen during the years after two thousand and eight that you wrote about in your book back then you said in the end i think we're in for a while a roller coaster ride with a few whipsaws thrown and first the threat of deflation followed by a helicopter drop followed by big inflation followed by real deflation and then followed by hyperinflation so might moloney how is this played out and where are we now. well i think you know that was written before the financial crisis in two thousand and eight and. the financial crisis of zero eight i think was that threat of deflation and all of these quantitative easing are the

overreaction the helicopter drops that i was predicting when i wrote that and we've had we've seen a reflation of the financial sector of the stock market of oil but it hasn't done anything to stimulate the true kaname it isn't trickling in you know all of this currency that ben bernanke he whipped up is basically sitting on banks' balance sheets and it's not. you know when you look at money supply statistics it's not part of the circulating medium right now this this currency that he whipped up all it did was inflate the financial sector and and sort of just put lipstick on this pig so then where are we in regards to deflation. well i think we're seeing some true deflation of the currency supply right now you know the number of dollars that exist is a reflection of total credit when they create credit there could be they're

creating dollars and the total credit supply peaked back in two thousand and seven at about fifty three trillion we're up now to fifty four trillion but most of that that increase there's a two trillion dollar increase in that was part of all these quantitative easing from bailouts. and that like i said is sitting on the banks' balance sheets if you look at base money base money is a measurement of currency in circulation plus the cash that's sitting in the commercial banks checking accounts at the federal reserve and before the crisis of zero eight ninety seven percent of base money was out there in circulation in the public was using it it was it was actually created that's what creates the economy he did these bailouts and now you know it took two hundred years to go from zero

dollars in existence to eight hundred twenty five billion and then in just the past couple of years it's gone from eight twenty five to about two point eight trillion and let's go ahead and bring it down and actually have not really i don't know if they created. go ahead what i'm going to get going i just wanted to bring us a sunny for our viewers if we could back up to the previous night that we had in the control on their base money that our viewers can see what you're talking about ok so continuing you were talking about the expansion of base money and it impact what is that yeah well the huge increase that you see on that chart is the bailouts and the quantitative easing. and really it's stimulated the financial sector but it hasn't gone it hasn't trickled down into the general economy where it circulates one of the. the fed used to publish something called three they no longer publish it everybody uses to know instead of m. three but these are measurements of the highly circulating portion of the currency

supply where the public is actually getting the benefit of the currency this doesn't just measure cash in circulation but it also measures checking account balances and some smaller size time deposits and what you see is that it's shrinking a little since two thousand and eight but then if you did duct basement basement as a component of m two if you take out that base money component it shows that the bailouts that bernanke is doing aren't doing anything to trickle down into the general economy the quantitative easing have no result we're seeing a contraction of m m two when you take out the base money there's a twenty five percent contraction in this aggregate of the currency supply this is never happened except for the onset of the great depression this is is this is huge

alarming news. this is true monetary deflation that we're seeing here ben bernanke he is fighting it but he can't control where all the dollar. he creates where they go and they generally go into some like you said unintended consequences they're going into an unintended place and they'll create a bubble here or a bubble there but they're not going to have the effect that he desires and the only thing that will work is just to allow the free markets to work and to stop having the audacity and arrogance to try and. to think that he knows more than the free market the free market is the sum total of all the transactions going on in the economy he thinks he knows more and he thinks he can decide what the quantity of currency should be and what the price of currency should be the interest rates that's a lot of arrogance and it just won't work it is

a lot of arrogance and i when we get back from a break we'll take a quick one i want to talk to you about when the public or how the public is going to feel this contraction they are talking about in this deflation so we will have much more with mike maloney author and founder of gold silver dot com after the break also still ahead what some heavy hitters are ignoring the bear market right from gold recent downturn we'll tell you who are the so-called gold bugs in these change but first your closing market numbers. are sure is that so much going to make a lot of people here you look at lunchtimes with the with the greek economy in tatters and spain on the financial right the future of the monetary union looks anything but bright.

welcome back we're talking about the fed's failed attempts to stimulate the economy despite calls for it that we heard on the hill today with ben bernanke he there so before we go back to our guest i want to bring up a chart that shows what he was talking about before the break this shows and to which includes base money so base money reflects the fed's attempts to broaden the money supply to get that money to the real economy but what you can see is that as the fed has contributed to that increase in base money what you see is

a contraction in m two so let's bring michael back in and ask him when and how the public is going to feel this if they already are so again he's founder of gold silver dot com and author of guide to investing in gold and silver which is part of the rich dad poor dad series so mike maloney before the break you were talking about this contraction that hasn't happened since you said the great depression so when and how does the public feel this and is there a lag in between the charts and when it does affect them. you know there is you know. ben bernanke he really does and he's gone down a path where he doesn't really have a choice is going to have to continue all of this loose monetary policy policy and stimulus and what have what you're seeing happen here that contraction in m two means that people's what the general public is feeling their wages are not

really increasing their portion of the economy isn't rising and doing great what's happening is everything that is being created is going into the financial sector so we can have a deflation in a slowing of the economy a deflation in the number of dollars available for the public to use true true inflation or deflation is either the expansion or contraction of the currency supply of the available currency for the public to use the which creates the economy. if they if he continues with quantitative easing and ramping up the base money and the portion that the financial sector uses for all of their bets basically what you're going to see is the price of commodities going up well wages are stagnant or falling. and so you'll be seeing deflation in the public

sector of the currency supply inflation in the financial sector and where they place their bets the commodities and so on it's a recipe for disaster i believe well along those lines as you're talking about the fed's attempt to inflate but they get the same time you could still see deflation and the money that the public has let's bring out their attempts to keep trying ok janet yellen who is the vice chair of the board of governors at the fed just in a speech last night said that as she discussed this evening prolonging weakness in the housing sector remains one of the several serious head winds facing the u.s. economy. and she says given these headwinds i believe that a highly accommodative monetary policy will be needed for quite some time to help the economy and so my question about these headwinds that housing are is this a headwind simply because it's about all the debt in housing that's dragging down the economy and houses are just the conduit for this borrowing binge. yeah it is

it is this debt bubble dragging down the economy well but what amazes me is that the people who are that are running the economy don't know anything about economics this head when you get a look at what created the wind ok the stock market crash back in two thousand and . ten created a very accommodative policy and basically pumped the goose the money supply and that caused the real estate bubble the real estate bubble is trying to deflate and to seek equilibrium where you have the right balance of the number of homes that are available on the market and the demand for those homes it's that simple it's a supply demand equilibrium that it's trying to seek and they're not allowing the the free markets to work and to clear out all of this excess inventory and so on they're going to try and goose the economy somehow and it always has unintended

consequences and you know people would have just been burned on stocks twice in the last decade and they just got burned on real estate there's another asset class that all of this currency can flow into commodities and precious metals and i think that since people just got burned on the other asset classes that this is where the next great bubble is destined to be and i think ben bernanke is just you know the pawn that is fulfilling the destiny that we're about to see gold and silver rising to cover the currency supply well and also to talking about precious matters metals and gold and silver we have a slump right now in gold prices and we have people saying oh this is a gold bear market and we see other things that are considered safe havens people running to them we see treasuries that record low yields and we see people running to german bund so what gives you the confidence looking at right story that gold is is the best insurance against the liabilities if the op currencies. well you know

the average person does not understand that a treasury is an iou and you know so all of these bonds they are all ious. and. they rely on the performance of a counter party and what you're seeing is counter parties like for instance the the government of greece they're not as reliable as we once thought they were and so people are running around from different forms of one form of debt to another form of buying and selling different ious and eventually they run to the ultimate safe haven and that's the precious metals but you know. yeah. and that whole thing is just laughable yes and that's the future that you think is going to play out i appreciate you being on the show to spell out how and why and thanks for being on that was mike maloney is author and founder of gold silver dot

com. all right let's wrap up with loose change we ended on gold let's start on gold because the recent slump als ice that has some in the mainstream media talking about a gold bear market threat but guess who's reportedly been buying. but we are a boy. could be. three months ringo but margaret who could do more but. not be able to do bone. he of course is talking about what the markets required are required in order for

the euro system to remain stable not collapse people to not lose faith entirely so george soros meanwhile has been buying up gold and as you see filing shows that he's not the only one hedge fund manager john paulson is also the biggest has the biggest stake as p d r gold trust which is the largest exchange traded product backed by bullion now this is all according to bloomberg so hey these heavy hitters are gold bugs you know off memory right now if i remember correctly source was buying gold e.t.f. paulson was either in the. buying physical one of these two guys or both had been unloading up one point or the fact that they're getting back on is interesting i think also the fact that this coincides with source of speech means that maybe he's going short credit is going along gold is going short a few occurrences so you know these guys are these guys could potentially these guys can these guys work on the margin so if source is right if this is true is or is betting on gold and he's right then we're in for

a real storm of sorts for the money system where a storm in quotes what was going to say something storm a big storm. and i don't know the guy because they don't believe in time guys so shani one well we have soros and paulson flat flowing away on a gold balloon i mean they're pretty much gold in it to be true we cannot leave you quickly. ok speaking of bleeping out or it may be i don't know breaking take a look at what ended up on live t.v. if you haven't seen it already today ok this is a member of the neo nazi golden dawn party which now has seats in parliament in greece. the spokes person attacking a ron and female member of the communist party in greece on live t.v. take a look. but they say no they don't beat up on it because. whatever that was. it let's look at what.

you believe that footage it almost looks like a mockery yeah it's not this guy's this guy's a you know he's a loser he's a he's a criminal all right well first of all he was a kid. now in this government has a psychopathic parliament is like by the way this is this apparently this is my job we found this on the internet spank me. that's that's kind of using for greek i'm not going to say what it is but in the case you know he has some other people who abuse the world and if you can see the woman that a member of parliament for the communist party stood and took all three of those so i suggest you go hit the gym at the gym a little bit you know get some since you you couldn't even go. after three good smacks and now she's tough in this whole place goes a wimp just like the rest of his gang but you know they talk tough but they're

nazis thing is and we're going to move on is that obviously there's a huge stigma about the fact that this is a neo nazi group and they live up to it they live up to everything that you would imagine he's hitting a woman on live t.v. i mean that's brutal and he's the spokes person so that's a great great garros there you go that's the best the one most well behaved you have to assume moving on to a new study by career builder is confirming what many other studies have realized about our jobs take a look. today we're talking about the contribution that your job may be putting to your problems with weight yes obviously it's good news when your employees but the bad news is your job can be making you fat especially if you sit all day. so working make you fat i guess that's one bone that you can throw to unemployed americans however according to the study forty four percent of workers that were surveyed had gained weight at their current job i don't know any personal anecdotes . sort of should know the story was picked by shannon because she knows that i'm on

a diet because again which is i started working here and it's true i've gained weight is a very stressful job i go for ice cream on a regular basis and i've already told the person downstairs not to let you know if i should go down the guy's cream. well dimitri some other career opportunities you could look into. actually know these are ones that will will will compound your problems being a travel agent an attorney joe a social worker all of those groups are. gaining weight but dimitris sorry being a t.v. producer i don't run and i don't push and so that too i don't believe it's not possible because this is the one of the most stressful jobs on the planet ok we have to work all day long there was a call on air and i have to look good i have to look around and for everybody i don't think so i want to and i want to you know where my problems ok. i'll go get some ice cream after the show because that's all we have time for thanks very much . don't forget to come back tomorrow for more coverage. in the

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top stories this hour the u.n. just both the syrian regime and the rebels to lay down arms provided the country from sliding into a full scale civil war this comes as you and observers are visiting the site of the latest massacre near the city of hama. a big day for european football is the euro twelve tournament kicks off for the players being dealt a blow with boy called serve a human rights abuses and claims of racism most recently from the dutch national team. and euro zone on my face as experts predict spain could offer a bailout as soon as this evening because you try to keep the single currency afloat and one child is banking on the cost to turn a profit. well that's it from the news team here in moscow for the moment we'll be back with more for your health enough now in the meantime we go to washington d.c. and the eye on the show which takes a look at whether ben but i think you can sort of america's finance.

welcome to the a longer show while you get the real headlines with none of the mersey we're coming live out of washington d.c. my name is christine and i'm filling in for a lot of while she's on assignment she's at the net roots nation conference in rhode island and i will take a closer look at our economy and our financial check up with lauren lester and break down the big day the big man ben bernanke yourself on capitol hill testifying on the state of the economy we'll talk about whether what he says will.