welcome to the loader show where you get the real headlines with none of the mercy tonight we're doing an extra special show for you we're at the net roots nation conference here in providence rhode island and so whole point of this thing is that it's supposed to be the biggest progressive gathering it's about furthering the progressive cause and there are a lot of panels but we have some special guests that are going to be on our show we're going to talk a little bit about the federal reserve something that i think is under discussed here at this conference also this year occupiers that have now made their way into the net roots conference there on a bunch of panels have a lot of talk about housing and discussions but one of the other big things here is

that technology plays a really big role in asking how it is you get people engaged right if you want to talk about activism these days everything is happening online so we're going to have a great interview with someone who's come up with a new company i think you'll like it and of course we couldn't do it alone or show without a little bit a happy hour so there's a great local bar murphys tonight decided that they would host as and let us do our their happy hour in there let me tell you a little bit more about the conference so some of the big topics for discussion are of course the economy of course people are talking about unemployment and if you walk over here with me you'll see probably one of the biggest topics in the news these days we want to talk about wisconsin you want to talk about occupy it's small money versus big money and to talk about the corruption within our political system is incredibly important but i have to say there's something that i feel is missing from net roots nation and it's something you guys hear me talk about all the time and that is our civil liberties the rosen of our civil liberties and things that

are happening by this democratic president under his leadership right one time. about having a democratic president the now is chose that he can play judge jury and executioner all in one we talked about drone strikes drone strikes in the impact that they have abroad this kill list where the president sits in his office and decides who's going to be executed all on his own there's only one panel on civil liberties in this entire conference and so we decided to go around asking people why they think that is why that's missing from the discussion here. because i didn't notice it and she knows nothing. i mean i imagine you're seeing. these. things. through as you can see some people out there care kind of they're disturbed by it but they also don't understand why it is that the organizers of this event chose not to put more emphasis on it and this is what i talk about all the time is

that when it comes to the left to day democrats today progressive today suddenly we are completely silent when it comes to the crimes the constitutional tearing that we're seeing under president obama and i don't know why the left doesn't care because when it was george w. bush that was doing it you know there was a lot of outrage and so unfortunately just like what we see in the mainstream media just like what i criticize m s n b c the supposedly liberal channel for the same problem still exists here today at the net roots nation conference which is that when it comes to the erosion of civil liberties when it comes to the executive abuse of power these are things the nets netroots nation chooses to miss. ok guys so here we are with our first interview at netroots nation in providence rhode island and i gotta say there's a lot of bad news these days right a lot of depressing news out there if you want to talk about the economy not only

in the u.s. but if you look at europe if you look at china if you look at india everywhere growth is slowing. you have a crisis of unemployment if you look at wisconsin you see labor unions dying down and there's just a lot of problems in the world right if you want to talk about stop and frisk policies you want to talk about a police state that if you ask me is growing and so sometimes to counter some of that not only do we need just some real talk about it but you also need some comedy and so tonight i have two very special guests with me tonight for us a very to me thurston who's the comedian and author of the book how to be black as long as well as iran james who hosts the radio show this week in blackness so guys thanks for joining me tonight thank you i was your intro really really. when i was your age you're just you have only everything wrong with the world of the world we do you know she was just stop and frisks she looked at you and again but the camera is our. response and look at. our new one so

i'm going to start with you because in your book is called how to be black what you write so how do you or the whole point that there are that there isn't a way to just you know there's no one zero look i'm a capitalist first. and a thoughtful person the second you know the there is i'm in the title is a farce it's a satirical and comedic memoir and set of advice so if you buy the book and read it you're not going to genetically because that's so much harder process and much riskier and i don't have the funding from nasa to pull it off instead use the power of words to each other and assure the answer. i don't know i don't know you should've said i was white before i read your book and i don't even know what you're that what you are james why it is his full name yeah. she does intuitively i choose i should you know because of the book i rise in levels and sometimes they're you know many of the names get a little long when i'm in the power of there is

a serious discussion we had in all of this right because if you look at what's going on in the country on one hand you have the first black president in this country. which is a big deal and then you have to get on that a second then you have this whole burger he wasn't born here he's a muslim kind of conspiracy and i mean how do we how do you counter that how do you you know there's also critiques that maybe he's not black enough because he's only half black because he's an elitist and he went to harvard why does it have to be like that all the time there's a whole lot of gray area right there is america that's why it has to be like that parenting that's exactly what we do i don't know if you know you'd like actually opened up this thing we have it's history books and apparently you'll always notice that america treats people horribly all the time and if you just like watching my own why would they do this to the president like actually you should we have a book that says that they were going to do this to the first black president outfront next is what it is what it is the things i say i mean certainly it is

yes. it is built into you know every first has a lot of challenges obama's one of the biggest first we have he's a virus or a president who's by default black because it's america and the way you painted that picture he stuck between a rock in our blades like to black not black enough the pain they were the source of the criticism and the beauty of him i think is that he knew it going in that he's not like and about it he's a celebrity really kind of all over shoulders most of the time which for me like that's part of the magic of the moment and it's oddly he's the product of america and so that is part of his american to hack around like this done from either end to get what he's like he knew what he was walking into he's accepting it as gracefully as anybody ever could they got a job to do let me go try to and it's a we were just talking about this for the interview again and this sounds like the most miserable job on the horrible and i can't imagine why he would. have to wonder

every day why did he do this it was to be here and the wife there just said are you doing any of this worth it to just call the every possible main thesis. just because they have a job that people don't think they should have one day you cash out and you know there are a lot of presidents that approve this bill clinton is an example of that and i guess that's where a lot of people think that ends up being worth it because both being president you get a lot of money coming your way but i do want to have to bring the discussion down a little bit unfortunately you know the way that i set the self is that yeah there is a lot of really depressing horrible stuff going on out there but things that we should be talking about if you ask me so that you can actually work through them but if you want to talk about unemployment if you want to talk about the fact that the u.s. has the biggest prison population in the world they want to talk about the fact that we have an education crisis on our hands or. and you bring in a race into that they're what one in three black children now are living in poverty . you're going to this is your brain is different ready for this and you're messing

up the whole thing but sort of it's a how do you actually talk about that realistically because i feel like everyone always wants to completely separate and act like a all of these issues are not connected at all of the drug war in the prison population and poverty have nothing to do with each other yet they do how do you get people to talk about it honestly. without doing. this i mean people i think it's first important to say why they don't want to talk about race is as an exhausting topic for people is uncomfortable and to some degree is the question in this country like we did that already like you had your riots and your protest maya angelou had some poems you got a black president and oprah winfrey and j.c. and jay z. were watching the throne what was the one for was and just go ahead and sort it out and the problem is the actual reality is that the so many policies so many systemic

connections that lead to crazy horrible outcomes for certain types of people both poor and browner people and so bringing that up in part just have to keep doing it you have to sometimes let the idiots die so there's a process because of the worst elements are never going to change you have to acknowledge that some of the younger people really are going to engage and you find ways to bring it up in methods and packages that are new that are going to get rid of i at the way that people bring it out of the game for a moment here is that recently we obviously saw this story with trayvon martin become something of a media sensation normally you don't see stories like this get that much coverage but then you know what do you think of the fact that everyone's going on t.v. . you know where does that make it become kind of like the token black kid story again or or know or is that more powerful soak in the idea i saw a lot of people mocking the hoodie thing or whatever and i for one actually

appreciate the people who are trying to show the absurdity of my god he was in a hoodie and therefore dangerous and so i felt like that's what people were trying to do of course a lot of people trying to get their black bread diversity points i look at me and when i would be on the national television making a point all right cool but i appreciated the overall concept of the whole thing. and this is i don't think of this as a token thing what happened was it wasn't that this was so horrendous that a kid got shot because in the black community we're familiar with it yes kids get shot for dumb reason but a cop by other people that was the problem was kid does nothing on arm get shot dude walks away from it like everything is cool that was we were the outrage and i feel like people didn't get that part of that oh a lot of people die yes but there was a situation where the killer was like my bad he was scared me and he just really really alright cool just go about your day you can you're free and that's what i would freak the hell out and said no i just cannot stand we're going to stand up for this and you also have as with any sensational police brutality murder crime

type moment you have information you have the nine one one tapes you have the testimony of the girlfriend you have the picture of this kid and for me the hoodie was a humanizing thing when the president stepped in lightly as he did in part of if i had a son he'd look like trayvon which is just a biological fact it was also saying like this could be your kid and we we do symbolic gestures of solidarity all the time the yellow ribbons the live strong bracelets the black armbands when someone does the flag at half staff those are token gestures either i think it's the people don't know what to do but they've made them feel connected in a part of this larger issue where so many people with such a dramatic case like that could have been my kid and let me ask you just been running out of time to you when it comes to you i mean stop and frisk policies in new york rabbi and i mean that's and it's come under a lot of criticism and same thing if you look at the majority of the people that have been stopped and frisked they have been minorities and most of these people

that are completely leggo right now they're not criminals by any chance by any means but i mean what does that legalize racism yeah here's the here's and here's the problem with it's not just that oh they're targeting black and latino boys that's really what it is that they're going after kids they're waiting for them as they go to school and come out of school. because of being made late to class and they're destroying the relationship like you wonder why people who don't trust the cops because this is your relationship with the police like why would you go to that person who'd make sure live hell every three weeks when something bad actually happens that's that destroys the whole community and it's well beyond like i was just interviewed for this black kid and i did and the thing with especially with stop and frisk a lot of a lot of the uncomfortable minutes with it is that this is not even something that we're surprised and the whole it is like oh literally mothers teach their child what to do when you're stopped by a cop how not to be a confrontation out of these awful way is right by your mother we're taught that from the like being a baby and so in all of this you know earlier question about racism and how do we

just not see things it's because our country does not like its own history but we want to get really honest about that's why every time you bring up don't ever bring up slavery i don't ever do those things because we can't handle that the actually the actual reality of what we what has happened and what's what's been done the country can't handle so that's why it's constancy of the road when you bring up race when you connect the dots this happens because of a and this happens because of the it's like no no because the you have to acknowledge history and that's something that we have a very hard time doing this in the last thing on the last thing that i want to bring out and you can work your solution into that because they're running out of time here. and you guys obviously use comedy to talk about these topics so i'm going to tell me why you think that's so important if it's better for us to try to laugh through it or if it's easier to try to laughter i don't know and then at the same time if we're talking about this issue of poverty so much of inequality in the country and you have the occupy movement and it's now been around for eight or nine months but have you noticed if i keep my movement is probably with the exception of

oakland not so much a minority movement i mean is a is it to whites should have bring more people together so there's a lot and the whole lot. of risk is we should do we should use technology. and are incised to build an i phone app that allowed young black and latino boys to avoid the path of the stop and frisk is available how do you have fun without being beat up by the cops no safety from police that's the app that we should be working on comedy is great you know. i think one of the reasons it works because it doesn't threaten people if you give folks a lot of them open up a little bit the kind of engagement topic that maybe they wouldn't feel comfortable with on your last point i passed my so why do it on the left. with occupy i've actually this is what i'm the last words which i have to answer this because i've had beef with occupy because i pointed out possibly some of the monotone monochromatic way that they rolled over the same time you speak of local news and

then there are places like motherhood that specifically people of color doing things within the i can opt out operate outside of the they're still a part of that so yes it is way to white absolutely but everything which white is way too white like if i feel like we're going to run out of flicks do you really want to go down the list of like what's to white give on the things that actually white but the point is that if good can come out of them we're all for it it's just a question of when we point out certain things especially people of color and they also started yelling you're divisive if i well that's problematic now how are we supposed to be allies and work together as a group if i can ever point out my own issues that you might not share because you actually have the privilege of not having to deal with the same nonsense that i have and humor is awesome otherwise i would just be a large black guy yelling at you he's still just a large black i think the more you laugh about it like i have got to wrap it up but thank you so much for joining us tonight and the line james or white thanks guys why do you want to get the book didn't work. guys it's time to take our first three

. states that story that we're going to speak to a number of occupiers that are here in this group on this here and they're speaking on them it can also including time on the fire. lou a client of american power continues. things in our country so it might actually be time for a revolution. or it turns out the killer drink it all drugs a surprising radio. you don't know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything is ok

you don't know i'm sorry welcome is a big issue. ok so doc if i would have been around for a while i have almost nine months out and some people out there like to say that the movement lacks a message they haven't made a difference personally i think you guys know this we watch the show often i beg to differ and part of how we're seeing that difference in the incorporation of the occupy movement is the fact that they're here at the net roots nation conference at the biggest progressive conference out there they're on a number of panels and so today we have two of those occupiers with us we have nick espinosa and matt brown hamlin two guys thanks for joining me and if you could first do a quick introduction of yourself for the viewers so they know what occupier from

how you got involved. because the mills the from occupy minneapolis and occupy homes with a sort of my family is currently in foreclosure are fighting to save our homes along with many other families in the twin cities. and my name's not run around when i live in washington d.c. and i run occupy or home start or and i'm on my own campaign or i'm a member of the never roots and the way i want to be involved in this movement is adding my skills in the online space to help people fight off foreclosures so what do you guys think about the fact that occupy is that net roots i mean are you with me is that is that kind of a big step for the movement or not or is that expected. i think it's great i mean i think occupy is continuing to push the dialogue to create new possibilities and to continue to hold people accountable and create. credit to the national dialogue to bring some of these issues to the forefront about wealth inequality of our corporate domination of our of our country i think it's great to be in the online community has always been a place where the american left was actually have

a really vibrant critique of the current system and the political parties so i think it's a natural fit to see the occupy folks like us here engaging and folks who are more traditionally involved in democratic online follow us but so that's the thing right is this is more of a dead. radek conference if we think about it and this is one of the questions that i feel like no one's ever going to stop asking the occupy movement is what do you really why are you going to work with the democratic party or you know work completely outside the system i mean i'm one person so i was i can speak for the entire movement but for me it's about creating power outside of the side of the existing power structures to hold them accountable that doesn't mean that we're not going to work with politicians but it also doesn't mean that we're going to endorse flat out i mean democrats are going to hold people accountable to the push the guy on and i think the biggest piece with occupy and what we can especially with what we're doing with occupy homes is we're demanding answers to problems that haven't

been addressed in the political system and as long as the people of either party democrats or republicans failed to address these critical questions like the foreclosure crisis we're going to be people like us demanding answers so if there is a way to get engaged in this community to push elected officials to do the right thing by homeowners and hold banks accountable and so on banks are secure then i think that's absolutely the sort of activity that occupy wall street and the occupy homes and that we want to see out of that why do you think it is i mean if you want to talk about the foreclosure crisis right this is something that millions of americans have been hit by that they're experiencing on a daily basis but it's not really what you hear so much in the mainstream media it's not so much we hear about from politicians on capitol hill even from president obama or mitt romney right who is now going to be the republican nominee essentially and so why this foreclosure crisis kind of like out of sight out of mind issue because it helps the banks for it not to be i think it's one of the

biggest things the banks the front in the fight to keep kick people out of their homes it's critical for a change in a culture where you're not supposed to talk about being in foreclosure because you've done something wrong in the surge is not true it's not their fault it's the bank's fault and a lot of the reason we're trying to do this work. our homes used to list up stories of homeowners fighting and saying i'm not going to just give the bank my keys now as those stories get lifted up we can engage you in the political debate and it needs to be part let me address something that i think i mean no one's going to deny if there are divisions within the occupy movement there are problems within the occupy movement you two gentlemen are you know very well address and refined looking with there are there are people out there and i was just speaking in fact to somebody who's. from occupy prominence here and i said you know where the occupy providence people they were supposed to be outside on this street outside of net roots of the conference and they ran into problems because they have this anarchist element because they have other elements and there's just

a lot of division and debate and argument and so it seemed like the whole thing kind of fell apart i mean you know what are going to deal with that so that people don't only see perhaps you know i mean when there's been a lot of talk or if you want to talk about protests and clashes with police people always point to an artist elements or black bloc tactics how do you keep the attention away from just that i mean i think one of the things that we've seen with the occupier homes. is that when it's about a specific family and their fight to keep their home against the bank and rallying the community around them it's really hard for those sorts of divisions to exist and because it is you know this is very grounded work this is about you know this family at this address in the house that they've had for you know years or generations and so i think that's something that at least with our work directly we've been able to stay very focused on on how we're working organizing to help people fighting off those are in the mix so is the targeted campaigning you think the better way to go about it there's tons of issues going on this medical student

rippling our third generation right now and so the money ought to be great to see more projects like occupy homes excel in with specific political demands as the push contradictories for families but also more transformative to those to change the way the system is working where is this where the. american spring breakers we kept hearing the occupies going to come back with them engines after the winter and so what if they're not actually physically occupying space anymore where is the spring because the lunar i feel like it's kind of dying down a little i guess maybe it's because i'm in the thick of it i see it every day and every every week there are new small occupy groups that are coming up and approaching us going occupier homesite org and saying how can i get involved you want to organize people in our community you really mean that someone who's losing their home want to do something and i think it is happening i think you have to keep in mind and i know you saw a lot of reporting on this there's a very coordinated crackdown around the country by city government simply supports an occupy protests they were trying to do everything they could to take away public space from this move and it has had its negative effects but let's be clear about

something is very deliberate because of the power of this movement show. and this is not going away any time soon these problems are only getting worse the foreclosure crisis isn't going away and i think people are going to continue to pick inspired by what's happening around the world the fun ways to play that well in many ways what's happening around the world too is that the economy continues to be at it in a worse and worse state around the world you know we're definitely not out of this hole that were and and secure and to ask you kind of an election question because we do have a presidential election coming up in november and while the occupy movement isn't supporting one party or another is it better for occupy if mitt romney wins i mean are you know are more people then probably aligned with certain progressive causes like people here in every it's going to be mobilizing but you know i don't know that i would go that far but it would be great to see the mainstream democrats care more about the foreclosure crisis and care more about setting bankers to jail for

their crimes. i think we're going to miss of the outcome occupy is going to continue to do what it's doing i think if that is a matter of amara romney obama these problems are going away until until you know people like obama show some real leadership and go after the banks rust the bankers break up these. it begs to have a monopoly over over our democracy and that are taking people's homes away and just putting this entire nation there but. what we do every house in bangor is arrested yet arriving there a lot of people there would like to see that. you know if that can be transferred in some kind of action mcmath thank you guys so much for joining us tonight here. branding it's a big part of every convention and we know that the g.o.p. brand is about freedom and smaller government but i want to know what is the progressive brand i think a progressive as someone who just attempts to make things better for other people a progressive is somebody who wants to advance the a values of american country of

the american nation to make it more inclusive for everybody and ensure that all americans can succeed equally a progressive to me is someone who moves towards solutions and who someone who is active not just reactive i think a lot of progress has care about the identity frame so like race gender class and are focused on building a movement in the us rather than just getting the same people locked in an office over and over again it seems like everyone had a different answer and i wasn't the only one that was confused and it is a really tricky question. yeah that's a that's a tricky question i don't know how to answer other than to say that like i think it definitely did evolve from other you know words that people feel uncomfortable with now so i decided to change gears and i thought maybe people would have a more coherent message when telling an independent voter like me who to vote for come november i expected to hear

a lot about this guy but i was wrong if i was going to say who you should vote for i would say you should vote for your beliefs i don't think anyone should vote for the left or for the right i mean i think that ultimately you should vote. issue by issue in order to use to succeed i think. in the electoral vote you have to side with with either or you know you have to there's always there's always going to be something another party that's going to push for against whatever move when you're trying to push forward but nobody wanted to fight for my vote and this guy was actually trying to lose it president obama he's not perfect there are some things that i would prefer that he had done differently i would have preferred that he had taken the fight to the republicans immediately after the election and not wasted so much time trying to accommodate them i wish that he had gone after the banks toure's immediately after the collapse of the economy i would have preferred that he had pulled our troops out of i reckon mediately i would have preferred that he

had close guantanamo bay immediately but. the republicans are going to field anybody that would have done the job on any of those things that i thought was a better one it looks like all i've come away with is a discussion topic for next year is that really selling progressivism one o one for the ellen show i'm jenny church. i guess is take another break but a few because there's still a lot more coming up from our show here asking that rates nation conference in providence next hour we'll talk to a man that started a new tech company about advertising and getting what you want to see advertised now will do a little monetary policy time with matthew yglesias so stay tuned. let's not forget that we are in the park art museum brooke.