compromise between russia and the west on such issues for example as the a.b.m. system deployment these are the subjects that we will talk about today with the president of the international forum. there. the nuclear nonproliferation treaty was signed over half a century ago but nuclear weapons are still a huge issue since then if you knew states claimed they had obtained atomic bombs including the isolated and unpredictable north korea terrorists who can get access to nukes are great concern to especially nuclear ambitions unstable middle east regimes in an effort to unite the world's leading nonproliferation and security experts in the luxembourg forum was tweeted it's the most important result of the international conference on preventing nuclear catastrophe which was held in luxembourg in two thousand and seven since the very beginning the renowned businessman and philanthropist dr counter has been the forum's president.

hello mr kantor and welcome to our program hello start with a couple of general questions first of all this time it's berlin but how do you choose the location is called the election work for him because he started in luxembourg but how do you choose a venue. in this case it's quite obvious. there has been a change in loder ship in many of europe's largest and strongest nation in. which makes berlin a logical choice. so we decided with france and italy and some other important to your opinion nations having new leadership this one germany is role in preventing a nuclear disaster he's bound to increase. the. so we thought

you would be wise to attract the attention of the international community to all forum by holding it in berlin. as far as i understand your sponsoring the forum with your own money at your own initiative could be also try to raise money otherwise and overall is it worth the money you're spending solely. fortunately well to be precise this isn't my money or rather it's not just my money . the funding for the form comes from the european council on tall rents in eureka. moron merely a coach. another cochairman former polish president alexander it cost me of what that is the sponsor. if not for the reason endowment is registered in luxembourg that raises funds for all the operations and activities

of that organization and you know to rephrase my question as co-chairs you and mr quest the esky have to report to the endowment in its trustees about how that money is used there must have been considerable sums committed in the past five years is it it worth. lul beyond any doubt we are happy with the luxembourg forum we held at fourteen meeting so over the past five years hosted by practically every major capital in the world were crucial decisions are made of the. washington moscow london paris and now we've made it to berlin. so you're saying the form is worth its salt and the same time here is your recent quote the world has become much more tense and much more unsafe than it was a year ago even closer to breaking point in global security what makes you say that

would you consider yourself a pessimist or a just well informed. you might well know what the what you call let me put it blaine in simple. challenges to global security come from in the context of. two nations iran and north korea. see do believe that iran's nuclear program is really dangerous for its neighbors and the world in general. well let's take a look at the facts when you read on the report today here in his own most of the six thousand centrifuges that operate around the clock. and that number is increasing. here in has about six tons three point five percent

alone reached uranium. in addition it has about a hundred and seventy kilograms of uranium in a reach to twenty percent. what does this mean. that iran is already in position of enough uranium to produce seven or eight warheads. these are the facts that now there is another interesting consideration. the i.e. has been asking iran why do you need military technology is. why do you need the so-called nuclear explosive devices. actually meaning other components that are of no use for anything except for the production of nuclear weapons. and a he's getting no answers we're not talking about our expert community it's the

a big key authority in this area that is not getting the answers. with a little bit are you voicing their opinion of the luxemburg form certainly as far as i can see it's rather in line with the stance of the west then with that of moscow because as far as i understand it is the least correct me if i'm wrong if these positions differ somewhat to the west generally has a sharper response less progress to the point of discussing airstrikes against iran's nuclear facilities or is moscow keep saying it doesn't see a thread this is a peaceful program in iran has the rights to develop seemingly in nuclear facilities. just that you know we're now entering an area. that is in fact very important and this is. why do we need a toll such civil society institutions as an export community would not you know we are often accused or rather these are not actually accusations they're rather

simply point out at things as they are they say you will ahead of the time. you are probably saying all the right things but they are not well timed they're out of the political and economic context and by that context you mean elections currency rates or prices and so on just anything real. with a chip and our response to this is that's exactly what our job is to be head of the time would be for a political decision can be prepared in implemented we must be with the way forward for all the major players and for all the countries involved in this situation chill and what. the problem is of us if you as experts don't get heard do you think it can come to a use of force i mean is the u.s. or israel strike at iran's alleged nuclear facilities a possibility it daniel possibility. has taught us that anything's possible will yell at them but i'd say this is the worst scenario one could imagine but it's. the

luxembourg forums experts have published a study of assessing the existing options for an intervention and there is simply no successful scenario someone better some a worse yet but there is no winning option at all but i think there is generally nor alternative to diplomacy and political more gaining but this does not mean we should turn a blind eye on iran's failure to comply. those who ignore their requirements so the un security council and the i e must be are full responsibility . before it. would be international law. that is where the role in the u.n. security council resolutions. that mr counter in your previous interview for our program you described a look some work for him as the voice of civil society on the issues of

nonproliferation. this one has remained but i'm still unclear as to who your target audience is whom are you addressing in the first place is it public opinion is it grassroots initiative is it political decision makers or is what you do a form of lobbying and you. know. i can tell you the expert community doesn't lobby anyone's interests like i said we pave the way to the future who we dress everyone we send our reports to decision makers you know all the leading power salute world and to all official international institutions and n.g.o.s on top of that even if you look at today's session it you will find our colleagues from similar initiatives such as the wash

conferences among the staff of the luxembourg forum. and the polish people are really lobbyist and they know. they aren't i'm only publish conferences for thirty years i can consider them lobbyists there are scientists and there is stuff in philosophy as different from ours sexually. let me rephrase the question then if you want to address this through a nice we have to convince them. but if you want to talk to the public you have to be feeling to the public what is your target audience do you seek to puta the every citizen in get your ideas across. or do you aim to influence decision makers because that would require a different tool set that. i would see or emus to present solid facts. we are not a populist organization. then the fuck do you think the modern

society has trust in facts these days because many say doesn't take young people even ideology and myths but the time when people used to listen to scientists is over or so they say because they've got it i would say that people today believe in things that haven't been trivialized you feel well. what if you were to come up with a formula for getting your message across and seeing that you definitely need to see unexpected things. so that is that we would look at and you also said the nuclear issue is getting trivialize today so are you concerned with that. yes to answer your question we don't engage in populism. we don't want to be everyone's darling chairs much public attention as possible like our purpose is to

present an objective outlook at the situation for anyone entitle to make assessments or make decisions for those who want to really make such a decision today that will be an issue for future deliberation. says counter president i'll be there so lots of books for him on preventing nucleic attacked spotlight will be back shortly after the break so stay with us. wealthy british style. market. what's really happening to the global economy.

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around russia. welcome back to spotlight i'm al gore knob and just a reminder that my guest on the show today is vicious life come through president of the luxembourg forum on preventing nuclear catastrophe. some of the world renowned experts on nuclear prevention get that than luxemburg five years ago out

of the meeting and non-governmental organization emerged the international luxembourg forum on preventing nuclear catastrophe since done it has become quite an influential body on the issues of international security with members seen feedback on the highest level be very proud that some government at least her voice many of the participants or the forum from time to time involved to advise those consultants to governments so that it was a very important contribution to celebrate the forums five years long nonproliferation effort the fledgling organization chose to german capital earliness the city which knows best to what extremes a clash of ideologies lead to the berlin wall is one of the most vivid symbols of intolerance twenty years after the wall fell boeing has become place to build bridges between civilizations and to talk peace building bridges between

civilizations is what the luxemburg forms big manifesto always all about it's in fact a scientific research go in as far as trying to measure taller and. it's an attempt to find an alternative to the two concepts which are not working one is having chance to real the inevitability of a clash of civilizations in the other is multiculturalism in this book we've come up with a new approach we call security tolerance. forums president which is life cantor assured the manifesto has a nonsense of how to cope with some of the worst threats of the modern world. terrorism some other participants of the organization of a very simple reasons to put weapons aside at a time when we have a great recession taking place in the global economy it is very important for us to ponder as to why we should continue to spend one hundred billion u.s.

dollars on the nuclear weapon programs of all the countries that have nuclear weapons with the instability in such places as iran north korea and pakistan the international luxemburg forum on preventing nuclear catastrophe feels it one be short of challenges in the near future it's only just past the credibility test on the international arena and it's no ready to try and do more for me to geisha on. the issue of pakistan which is a nuclear power and even roll their missiles from military parades i seen it myself at the same time there is a very strong islamic fundamentalist sentiment in that country many believe pakistan is highly dangerous as a place for fundamentalism and nuclear capabilities come together with sides let's not forget that pakistan is practically in a state of war with india who is also a nuclear power. certainly up with but your question is correct at the

southeast asia he's another east factor which next to iran and north korea which is why. first of all unlike you ran in north korea india and pakistan already possess nuclear weapons so you know they've got to talk off three hundred in six to me so with potential global reach and a hundred of them can be armed with nuclear warheads. what does this imply considering that the pakistani government probably has limited control over its own territory. student and how does it feel your pain in pakistan's perpetual conflict with the india which you have just referred to. what it spells is it permanent of the risk factor. if i can even tell you

that the deficiency of governance in pakistan has created their risk of nuclear weapons being commercialised in that country. really look i mean yes of course i knew of course and i just quoted cuts them every time there is a change of government that just think of all the retarded generals with access to the nuclear armory me want to get a good bargain for it it's like you know i don't want to speculate but we've already witnessed the black market for nuclear materials emerge in pakistan patronized by dr abdul han. who can guarantee you such a market will not to reemerge. let's not forget someone bin laden set up his headquarters in pakistan exactly what with that unfortunately all of this has weakened and the american influence over

pakistan some litter ship. in still you put pakistan third to iran in the north korea. as more threatening is there because of the regime they have plenty of control in that country. you see the north korean regime is certainly more aggressive than pakistan. at the same time and should be noted that north korea currently has forty two kilos of weapon grade plutonium. they used different technology that is what you said when reaching uranium they have a single facility where they enrich tony i'm the new iran there is a more advanced technology but they're stuck with what i'm grade plutonium would be enough to produce seven two or eight warheads similarly to iran's capabilities. they were already got a delivery vehicle to do that that is why north korea generally poses

a serious threat. but unlike here in north korea doesn't display or to dominate its entire region or that. its regime is not using the nuclear issue to hansard stand any public domestically it's already strengthened to the extreme you know i would say north korea does not essentially pose a nuclear threat to its neighbors and the promising thing about pyongyang is that it is a client to commercialize its nuclear control over some but not in the sense of nuclear trafficking about it with them yet. they simply need money. they need money in their willing trade bargain offering transparency. the. economic benefits. are such was the trend with the previous leader of the. current leader.

i've been watching your form for many years the iranians have been telling everyone we are a peaceful nation we're developing nuclear capabilities purposes for the sake of national development we're not turning anyone in we can prove it and you've just said the koreans are ready to actually bargain and make a compromise then why aren't they intending your conference they're not interested in talking to you. you know we always invite all the player story meetings. so why don't they show up at us well for a variety of reasons. for example i remember air rather telling incident which happened during the very first forum which took place in luxembourg we invited to a prominent nuclear iraq. and then the person got detained by national authorities and was released only after the form was over that suggests

it's the government not the experts who is reluctant well the government must have taken our form for threat. there is another thing ever noticed about the form of the iranian nuclear controversy and that in north korea are issues of star contention between russia. including the united states but i don't sense that from your forms discussion of what can we say that russian and western experts in metairie officials share a common outlook at this issue that. they sensually do why. i would put it this way in every single meeting of the forum the reason common understanding of a fundamental. which probably overlooked by the general public. leaving aside old the details of. the. nuclear safety start moving much toward universal disarmament the option being

there is just one prerequisite. confidence and understanding between the world's junior nuclear powers russia and the united states the experts are aware of that that's the bottom line ball if there was absolute confidence between russia and the united states the world could have been a bell to get down to practical measures for arms reduction a long time ago in a would have done nothing to debate it because both mr putin in his first presidential term and then use presidents george w. bush have declared by the cold war over and said we are strategic partners not i think you just keep what you are but we're of the practical steps to back this up. so i'd like to emphasize that if only i'd there was genuine confidence backed by

practical measures their world would be in a much safer place. and that's why you will see is that sports should be the way. listen thank you thank you thank you very much for the get on the show and just reminded that and i guess. it's kind of and that's it for now from all of us here spotlight will be back with more comments on what's going on in and outside pressure until then stay on and take care i see. three.

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