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how about you and i welcome to spotlight. on parts i'm. sure filming the program in early. in june this year the german capital ousting the anniversary conference of the luxembourg forum on preventing new clear contrast leaving x x leaders and that from politicians from around the globe have gathered here to add value to the actual threat to nonproliferation that trying to name the regions of the countries where such a threat may be coming they also discuss such issues as the possibility of a compromise between russia and the west on such issues for example as the a.b.m. system deployment and you are these are the subjects that we will talk about today with the president of the international forum. the neatly and nonproliferation treaty was signed over half

a century ago but nuclear weapons are still a huge issue since then if you knew states claimed they had obtained atomic bombs including the isolated and unpredictable north korea terrorists who can get access to nukes are great concern to especially nuclear ambitions unstable middle east regimes in an effort to unite the world's leading nonproliferation and security experts the luxembourg forum was created it's the most important result of the international conference on preventing nuclear catastrophe which was held in luxembourg in two thousand and seven since the very beginning the renowned businessman and philanthropist dr v. just last counter has been the forum's president. hello mr kantor and welcome to our program hello i'll start with a couple of general questions first of all the venue this time is berlin but how do you choose the location is called the luxembourg forum because it started in

luxembourg but how do you choose a venue. if it was you but well in this case it's quite obvious. there has been a change in loder ship in many of europe's largest and strongest nation is. the national which makes berlin a logical choice. so some useless shit. so we decided with france and italy and some other important to european nations and having new leadership when germany's role in preventing a nuclear disaster he's bound to increase. by at the moment so we thought he would be wise to attract the attention of the international community forum by holding it in berlin. as far as i understand you're sponsoring the forum with your own money at your own initiative but could we also try to raise money otherwise and overall is it worth the money you're spending so you've got to do

with it. well yes that would fortunately well to be precise this isn't my money or rather it's not just my money. the funding for the form comes from the european council on tall rents in eureka. where i am merely a coach. another cochairman former polish president alexander it cost me of what that is the actual sponsor that if it will form the reason and down meant to be courageous third in luxembourg that that raises funds for all the operations and activities of the organization and then i will rephrase my question as co-chairs you and mr vice the esky have to report to the endowment in his trustees about how that money is used there must have been considerable sums committed in the past five years is it worth it bill fluent beyond any doubt we are happy with the

luxembourg forum we held at fourteen meetings over the past five years hosted by practically every major capital in the world where crucial decisions are made of the top. washington moscow old london paris and now we've made it to berlin but it is the. if there is that so you're saying the form is worth its salt at the same time here is your recent quote the world has become much more tense and much more unsafe than it was a year ago we've even closer to breaking point in global security what makes you say that would you consider yourself a pessimist or a just well informed. the latest should deal well. though it's going to let me put it blaine in simple. weird to you the major

challenges to global security come from in the context of the luxembourg forum it's two nations iran if that and north korea. do believe that iran's nuclear program is with a tension a dangerous path for its neighbors and the world in general. well let's take a look at the facts when you read on the report today here in his almost six thousand centrifuges that operate around the clock in the college that's and that number is increasing civil here in has about six tons three point five percent alone reached uranium. in addition it has about a hundred and seventy kilograms of uranium in reach to do twenty percent up. what does this mean. that iran is already in position of enough uranium to produce

seven or eight warheads. but these are the facts that now there is another interesting consideration. the i.e. has been asking iran why do you need military technology is on the button why do you need the so-called nuclear explosive devices. an actual meaning other components that are of no use for anything except for the production of nuclear weapons. and he i.e. he's getting no answers we're not talking about our expert community a big key authority in this syria that is not getting the answers the league grew up with the let them. look at the you voicing their opinion of the luxemburg form certainly as far as i can see is rather in line with the stance of the west than with that of moscow because as far as i understand you think least correct me if

i'm wrong if these positions differ somewhat to the west generally has a sharper response at least progress to the point of discussing airstrikes against iran's nuclear facilities or is moscow keep saying it doesn't see a thread this is a peaceful program in iran has the right to develop civilian nuclear facilities with just that against you know we are now entering an area that isn't sectarian porton well this is. why do we need a toll such civil society institutions as an export community what not you know we are often accused or rather these are not actually accusations there are other simply point out at things as they are what they say you will ahead of the time. you are probably saying all the right things but they are not well timed they're out of the political and economic context and by that context mean elections currency rates oil prices and so on anything really. have

a chip when our response to this is that's exactly. our job is to be ahead of the time would it be for a political decision can be prepared in implemented we must be with the way forward for all the major players and for all the countries involved in this situation which will inhibit. the use of us if you as experts don't get heard well do you think it can come to the use of force i mean is the u.s. or israel strike at iran's alleged nuclear facilities a possibility if then you will possibility. life has taught us that anything's possible no yell at them or that see this is the worst scenario one could imagine but. the forums experts have published a study assessing the existing options for an intervention and there is simply no successful scenario someone better some a worse yet but there is no winning option at all but i think there is generally

nor alternative to diplomacy and political more gaining but this does not mean we should turn a blind eye on iran's failure to comply with those who ignore the requirements of the un security council in the i e must be are full responsibility for it in accordance with the international law. that is where the role of an un security council resolutions being used. in the gaza smoke at this account or in your previous interview for our program you described a look some work for him as the voice of civil society on the issues of nonproliferation. this water has remained but i'm still unclear as to who your target audience is whom are you addressing in the first place is it public opinion is it grassroots initiative is it political decision makers or is what you do

a form of lobbying. no alexander. i can tell you the expert community doesn't lobby anyone's interests like i said we pave the way to the future who we dress everyone we send our reports to decision makers in all the leading power salute world and to all official international institutions and n.g.o.s on top of that but even if you look at today's session it he will find our colleagues from similar initiatives such as the poland wash conference's monger staff of the luxembourg forum. and the polish people are really lobbyist and they know. they aren't i don't know only published conferences for thirty years i can consider them lobbyists there are scientists

and there is stuff in philosophy and is different from ours actually. let me rephrase the question then if you want to address this there were days we have to convince them that he has to go but if you want to talk to the public you have to be peeling to the public what is your target audience do you seek to puta the every citizen in get your ideas across or do you aim to influence decision makers because that would require a different to set. with. with a view you know what i would see or emus you present solid facts. we are not a populist organization i wish that the men and the fuck do you think the modern society has trust in facts these days because many say doesn't take young people even ideology and myths but the time when people used to listen to scientists is over or so they say because if you got it i would see that people today believe and

things that haven't been trivialize. just you feel well you know in this it would do if you were to come up with a formula for getting your message across and seeing that you definitely need to see unexpected things from know that be said that we you know i would look at and you also said the nuclear issue is getting trivialized today so are you concerned with that by the military yes ma'am and i want to answer your question we don't engage in populism. we don't want to be everyone's darling or a catch as much public attention as possible like our purpose is to present an objective outlook at the situation for anyone in the title to make assessments or make decisions for those who want to really make such a decision today that will be an issue for future deliberation. says if you just laugh come to our president i'll be nice to luxembourg forum on preventing you kick

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back to spotlight album and all that and just a reminder that my guest on the show today is the just left come through president of the luxembourg forum on preventing nuclear catastrophe. some of the world renowned experts in euclid prevention get that in luxembourg five years ago out of that meeting and non-governmental organization emerged the international luxembourg forum on preventing nuclear catastrophe since done it has become quite an influential body on the issues of international security with members seen feedback on the highest level even to prod some government at least her doll voice many of the piece of been ordered for him from time to time vital to. solve them still governments so that it was a very important contribution to celebrate the forms five years long nonproliferation effort the fledgling organization chose to join one capital

earliness the city which. knows best to what extremes can a question of why do you all which is leaving the berlin wall is one of the most vivid symbols of intolerance twenty years after the both bowing has become a place to build bridges between civilizations and to talk peace building bridges between civilizations is what the luxemburg forms big manifest always all about it's in fact a scientific research go in this forest trying to measure tolerance thank you it's an attempt to find an alternative to the two concepts which are not working one is handing down steer iovine its ability of a clash of civilizations in the other is multiculturalism in this book we've come up with a new approach we call secure tolerance so it's a bizarre pass that the roughness of the luxemburg forums president reaches life can't the reassure the manifesto has an answer of how to cope with some of the worst threats of the modern world including nuclear terrorism some other

participants of the organization of a very simple reasons to put weapons aside at a time when we have a great recession taking place in the global economy it is very important for us to ponder as to why we should continue to spend one hundred billion u.s. dollars on the nuclear weapon programs of all the countries that have nuclear weapons. with the instability in such places as iran north korea and pakistan the international luxemburg forum on preventing nuclear catastrophe feels it one be short of challenges in the near future it's only just past the credibility test on the international arena and it's no ready to try and do more for a new threat me to geisha. on the issue of pakistan which is a nuclear power and even roll their missiles from military parades i seen it myself at the same time there is a very strong islamic fundamentalist sentiment in that country many believe

pakistan is highly dangerous as a place for fundamentalism and nuclear capabilities come together besides let's not forget that pakistan is practically in a state of war with india who is also a nuclear power. it is certainly up north but your question is correct if the city of the ship southeast asia he's another east factor which the next to iran and north korea which you will watch. it on the first of all unlike iran and north korea india and pakistan already possess nuclear weapons so you know when you they've got to talk off three hundred and sixty me so with potential global reach and a hundred of them can be armed with nuclear warheads. what does this imply considering that the pakistani government probably has limited control over

its own territory. stored at those much and how does it feel your pain in pakistan's perpetual conflict with india which you have just referred to that many chips about what it spells is it permanent of the risk factor. what if the i can even tell you that the deficiency of governance in pakistan has created a risk of nuclear weapons being commercialised in that country's civil liberties that i really look like yes of course i knew of course and i just called guts them every time other music change of government just think of moving retarded generals with access to the nuclear armory you want to get a good bargain for it it's only an ikea if i don't want to speculate you want to we've already witness black market for nuclear materials emerge in pakistan patronized by dr abdul han yet to live can guarantee you such

a market will not remarriage. did that i. knew more that it was of. this country get a someone bin laden set up his headquarters in pakistan exactly what unfortunately all of this has weakened and the american influence over pakistan's leadership. in still you pakistan third to iran in the north korea you see pure young as more threatening is there because of the regime they have plenty of control in that country. what you see the north korean regime is certainly more aggressive than pakistan. at the same time and should be noted that north korea currently has forty two kilos of weapon grade plutonium. they used different technology that is not what you said when reaching uranium they have a single facility where the tony i'm the new iran there is

a more advanced technology but their stock of what i'm grade plutonium would be enough to produce some seven two or eight warheads similarly to iran's capabilities . they were already got a delivery vehicle to do that that is why north korea generally poses a serious threat. but unlike iran north korea does despite to dominate its entire region when it up with its regime is not using the nuclear issue to hansard stand any public domestically just a few weeks already strengthened to the extreme you know i would say north korea is not essentially pose a nuclear threat to its neighbors and the promising thing about pyongyang is that it is a client to commercialize its nuclear controversy i think but not in the sense of nuclear trafficking about with the yeah the liquidity of the fish and they simply

need money. they need money in their willing trade bargain offering transparency you exchange for economic benefits no such was the trainer with the previous leader at the berlin it's a woman oh yeah true that i would say current leader of what. i've been watching your forum for many years the iranians have been telling everyone we are a peaceful nation we're developing nuclear capabilities for civilian purposes for the sake of national development we're not targeting anyone and we can prove it over and you've just said the koreans are ready to actually bargain and make a compromise then why aren't they attending your conference they're not interested in talking to you. but you know we always invite all the player story meetings. national board i wish you would so why don't they show up at us well for a variety of reasons. for example i remember rather telling incident which happened

during the very first forum which took place in luxembourg we invited to prominent nuclear. and then the person. detained by national authorities and was released only after the form was over that suggests it's the government not the experts who is reluctant well the government must have taken our form for a threat or if. there is another thing ever noticed about the for. nuclear controversy and there in north korea are issues of star contention between russia in the including the united states but i don't sense that from your forms this question of what can we say that russian and western experts in retired officials share a common outlook at this issue that when you do that. they sensually do why i just did it that would make it look i would put it this way in every single meeting of the forum but i reserve common understanding of

a fundamental reality which probably overlooked by the general public. leaving aside old the details. that these world leans to insurance nuclear safety and start moving much toward the universal disarmament through option we get to the what is interesting little there is just one prerequisite. ginning that confidence and understanding between the world's nuclear powers the russians in the united states the food the experts are aware of that that's the bottom line ball if there was absolute confidence between russia and the united states the world could have been able to get down to practical measures for arms reduction a long time ago in would have done nothing to debate it because both mr putin in his first presidential term and then use president george w.

bush have declared by the cold war over it that was up and said we are strategic partners not i think you just keep what you are it what we're really practical steps to back this up previously so i'd like to emphasize that if only i'd there was genuine confidence backed by practical measures their world would be in a much safer place. but that's why we as exports should be the way. thank you thank you very much for the with us is good on the show and just a reminder that and i guess it was its last count and that's it for now from all of us here spotlight we'll be back with more comments on one of the leon in and outside pressure until then stay on tarty and take care this is.