in the program. in june this year the german capital the anniversary conference. on preventing nuclear catastrophe leaving x x leaders and politicians. have gathered here to add value to the actual threat to nonproliferation trying to name the regions of the countries where such a threat may be coming they also discuss such issues as the possibility of a compromise between russia and the west on such issues for example as the a.b.m. system deployment in europe these are the subjects that we will talk about today with the president of the international forum. there. the nuclear nonproliferation treaty was signed over half a century but. still

a huge issue since then if you knew states claimed they had obtained atomic bombs including the isolated and unpredictable north korea terrorists who can get access to nukes are great concern to especially nuclear ambitions unstable middle east regimes in an effort to unite the world's leading nonproliferation and security experts the luxembourg forum was created it's the most important result of the international conference on preventing nuclear catastrophe which was held in luxembourg in two thousand and seven since the very beginning the renowned businessman and philanthropist dr counter has been the forum's president. hello mr cantor and welcome to our program hello. general question first of all this time it's berlin but how do you choose the location is called election because it started in luxembourg but how do you choose a venue. well in this case it's quite obvious.

there has been a change in leadership in many of europe so largest and strongest nation is. the national which makes merlin a logical choice. so we decided with france and italy and some other important to european nations having new leadership when germany's role in preventing a nuclear disaster he's bound to increase. so we thought he would be wise to attract the attention of the international community to all forum by holding it in berlin. as presenter stand your sponsoring the forum with your own money at your own initiative to be also try to raise money otherwise and overall is it worth the money you're spending so you. know yes that would

fortunately well to be precise this isn't my money or rather it's not just my money . the funding for the form comes from the european council on tall rents in eureka. moron merely a cochairman. another cochairman former polish president alexander it cost me of what that is the sponsor. if not for the reason endowment registered in luxembourg that raises funds for all the operations and activities of that organization and then i'll rephrase my question as co-chairs you and mr cressy esky have to report to the endowment in its trustees about how that money is used there must have been considerable sums committed in the past five years is it it worth. lul beyond any doubt we are happy with the luxembourg forum

we held at fourteen reading so over the past five years hosted by practically every major capital in the world where crucial decisions are made of. washington moscow london paris and now we've made it to berlin. that series saying the form is worth its salt and the same time here is your recent quote the world has become much more tense and much more unsafe than it was a year ago even closer to breaking point in global security what makes you say that would you consider yourself a pessimist or are you just well informed. well. the it's a let me put it blaine in simple. where do you the major challenges to global security come from in the context of. two nations iran

and north korea. do you believe that iran's nuclear program is potentially dangerous for its neighbors and the world in general. that went to well let's take a look at the facts when you were on the ship but today you are in his own most of the six thousand centrifuges that operate around the clock. and that number is increasing. iran has about six times three point five percent alone reached uranium. in addition it has about a hundred and seventy kilograms of uranium in reach to do twenty percent of. what does this mean. that iran is already in position of enough uranium to produce seven or eight warheads. these are the facts that now

there is another interesting consideration. the i.e. has been asking iran why do you need military technology is. why do you need the so-called nuclear explosive devices. an actual meaning other components that are of no use for anything except for the production of nuclear weapons. and a he's getting no answers we're not talking about our export community it's the are a big key authority in this syria that is not getting the answers. with a little bit are you voicing the opinion of the luxembourg forum i certainly am as far as i can see is rather in line with the stance of the west then with that of moscow because as far as i understand he is the least correct me if i'm wrong if these positions differ somewhat if the west generally has

a sharper response this progress got to the point of discussing airstrikes against iran's nuclear facilities or is moscow keep saying it doesn't see a thread this is a peaceful program in iran has the right to develop seemingly in nuclear facilities . and you know we are now entering an area that isn't sectarian porton and this is very is why do we need a toll such civil society institutions as an export community would not you know we are often accused or rather these are not actually accusations they're rather simply point out at things as they are they say you will ahead of the time. you are probably saying all the right things but they are not well timed they're out of the political and economic context and by that context you mean elections currency rates oil prices and so on anything real. and our response to this is that's exactly why. our job is to be ahead of the time before

a political decision can be prepared in implemented we must be with the way forward for all the major players and for all the countries involved in this situation. if u.s. experts don't get hurt do you think it can come to the use of force i mean is the u.s. or israel strike at iran's alleged nuclear facilities a possibility if then you will possibility. taught us that anything's possible no yell but that's the this is the worst scenario one could imagine but. the forums experts have published a study assessing the existing options for an intervention and there is simply no successful scenario some better some a worse yet but there is no winning option at all but i think there is generally nor alternative to diplomacy and political more gaining but this does not mean we

should turn a blind eye on iran's failure to comply. with those who ignore the requirements of the un security council and the i e must be your full responsibility for it in accordance with the international law. that is what the role of an un security council resolutions. mr counter in your previous interview for our program you described a look some work for him as the voice of civil society on the issues of nonproliferation. this one has remained but i'm still unclear as to who your target audience is whom are you addressing in the first place is it public opinion is it grassroots initiative is it political decision makers or is what you do a form of lobbying. when. no alexander. i can tell you the

expert community doesn't lobby anyone's interests like i said we pave the way to the future who we dress everyone we send our reports to decision makers you know all the leading power salute world and to all official international institutions and n.g.o.s board it on top of that even if you look at today's session it he will find our colleagues from similar initiatives such as the poland wash conferences the longest staff of the luxembourg forum. and the people are really lobbyist and they know. they aren't i don't know only published conferences for thirty years i can consider them lobbyists they are scientists and there is stuff in philosophy different from ours actually.

let me rephrase the question then if you want to address this to a nice you have to convince them that if you want to talk to the public you have to be peeling to the public what is your target audience do you seek to puta the every citizen in get your ideas across or do you aim to influence decision makers because that would require a different to set. with. you know i would see or emus you present solid facts. we are not a populist organization. then the fuck do you think the modern society has trust in facts these days because naysay doesn't like people even ideology and myths but the time when people used to listen to scientists is over or so they say because they've got it i would say that people today believe in things that haven't been trivialized if you will. you know in this it would with what if

you were to come up with a formula for getting your message across and seeing that you definitely needs to see unexpected things. so that is that we would look at and you also said the nuclear issue is getting trivialized today so are you concerned with that. the yes to answer your question we don't engage in populism. we don't want to be everyone's darling. as much public attention as possible like our purpose is to present an objective look at the situation for anyone in the title to make assessments make decisions for those who want to really make such a decision today that will be an issue for future deliberation. says hunter president i'll be there to luxembourg forum on preventing you to contact spotlight will be back shortly after the break so stay with us.

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a reminder that my guest on the show today is the just left come through president of the luxembourg forum on preventing nuclear catastrophe. some of the world renowned experts in euclid prevention get the didn't luxembourg five years ago out of that meeting and non-governmental organization emerged the international luxembourg forum on preventing nuclear catastrophe since done it has become quite an influential body on the issues of international security with numbers seen feedback on the highest level even to prod some government at least her doll voice many all of the piece of prince will do for him from time to time the invite to advise does come solved and still governments saw that it was a very important contribution to celebrate the forms five years long nonproliferation effort the fledgling open eyes ation chose to join one capital early this the city which knows best to what it. a question of why do you all which

is lead the berlin wall is one of the most vivid symbols of intolerance twenty years after the wall fell well in has become place to build bridges between civilizations and to talk peace building bridges between civilizations is what the luxemburg forms big manifest always all about it's in fact a scientific research go in as far as trying to measure taller and. it's an attempt to find an alternative to two concepts which are not working one is heading down steer you know the inevitability of a clash of civilizations in the other is multiculturalism in this book we've come up with a new approach we call security tolerance. the luxemburg forums president reaches slough cantor assured the manifesto has a nonsense of how to cope with some of the worst threats of the modern world including nuclear terrorism some other participants of the organization offer very

simple reasons to put weapons aside at a time when we have a great recession taking place in the global economy it is very important for us to ponder as to why we should continue to spend one hundred billion u.s. dollars on the nuclear weapon programs of all the countries that have nuclear weapons with the instability in such places as iran north korea and pakistan the international luxemburg forum on preventing nuclear catastrophe feels it one be short of challenges in the near future it's only just past the credibility test on the international arena and it's no ready to try and do more for a nuclear threat meter geisha. there is an issue of pakistan which is a nuclear power so we may even roll their missiles for military parades i said to myself if they're at the same time there is a very strong islamic fundamentalist sentiment in that country many believe pakistan is highly dangerous. as

a place where fundamentalism and nuclear capabilities come together with sides let's not forget that pakistan is practically in a state of war with india who is also a nuclear power. certainly but worse but your question is correct at the southeast asia is another risk factor which next to iran and north korea which is why. first of all unlike you ran as north korea. and pakistan already possess nuclear weapons you know they've got a total of three hundred in six to me so with potential global reach and a hundred of them can be armed with nuclear warheads. what does this imply considering that the pakistani government has limited control over its own territory. student and how does it feel your pain in

pakistan's perpetual conflict with the india which you have just referred to you know. what it spells is it permanent of the risk factor. if i can even tell you that the deficiency of governance in pakistan has created a risk of nuclear weapons being commercialised in that country is. really look i mean yes of course a new national of course. every time there is a change of government that just think of all the retarded generals with access to the nuclear or armory me want to get a good bargain for it. i don't want to speculate but we've already witnessed a black market for nuclear materials emerge in pakistan patronized by dr abdul han. who can guarantee you such a market will not remarriage. this

country get a someone bin laden set up his headquarters in pakistan exactly what with the unfortunately all of this has weakened and the american influence over pakistan some litter ship to me instead you put pakistan third to iran in the north korea you see pillion as more threatening is that because of the regime they have plenty of control in that country deal of what you see the north korean regime is certainly more aggressive than pakistan. at the same time and should be noted that north korea currently has forty two kilo weapon grade plutonium that they used different technology he said when reaching uranium they have a single facility where they enrich tony i'm the mural there is a more advanced technology but they're stuck with what i'm grade plutonium would be

enough to produce some seven to eight warheads similarly to iran's capabilities. they were already got a delivery vehicle to do that that is why north korea generally poses a serious threat. but unlike iran north korea does despite or to dominate its entire region. its regime is not using the nuclear issue tuna hansard stand any public domestically it's already strengthened to the extreme you know i would say north korea does not essentially pose a nuclear threat to its neighbors and the promising thing about pyongyang is that it is a client to commercialize its nuclear controller say but not in the sense of nuclear trafficking about what the. you know they simply need money. they need money in their willing to offering transparency you exchange economic benefits.

such was the trainer with the previous leader at the berlin it's true that i would currently do what. i've been watching your forum for many years the iranians have been telling everyone we are a peaceful nation we're developing nuclear capabilities for civilian purposes for the sake of national development we're not targeting anyone and we can prove it over and you've just said the koreans are ready to actually bargain and make a compromise then why aren't they attending your conference they're not interested in talking to you. you know we always invite all the players story meetings. so why don't they show up at us well for a variety of reasons. for example i remember air rather telling incident to watch. during the very first forum which took place in luxembourg we invited to

a prominent nuclear iraq sport. and then the person. detained by national authorities and was released only after the form was over that suggests it's the government not the experts who is reluctant well the government must have taken our form for threat. there is another thing ever noticed about the form of the iranian nuclear controversy and that in north korea are issues of star contention between russia in the including the united states but i don't sense that from your forms discussion of what can we say that russian and western experts in retired officials share a common outlook at this issue that. they sensually do why is it that. i would put it this way in every single meeting of the forum that i reserve common understanding of a fundamental. which probably overlooked by the general

public. leaving aside old the details of. nuclear safety and start moving much toward the universal disarmament if you will. there is just one prerequisite. confidence and understanding between the world's nuclear powers russia in the united states the experts are aware of that that's the bottom line ball if there was absolute confidence between russia and the united states the world. could have been able to get down to practical measures for arms reduction a long time ago and we have done nothing to debate it because both mr putin in his first presidential term and then use presidents george w. bush have declared the cold war over and said we are strategic partners not i think

you just keep what you are what we're of the practical steps to back this up. so i'd like to laugh a size thirty if only i'd there was genuine confidence backed by practical measures their world would be in a much safer place. and that's why the we is that sports should be the way. thank you thank you very much for the with us get on the show and just reminded that and i guess they want us it's count and that's it for now from all of us here spotlight will be back with more comments on what's going on in and outside pressure and so let's stay on top and take care i suppose.

violence rages on in syria with blasts and gunfire in the capital as un observers step up their investigation into the latest massacre and hama. demonstrators breaking the law now face higher fines and russia as analysts claim the protest movement support and numbers are dwindling also. i never expected that my reports from a store would be regarded by some as a threat to national security are eastern europe correspondent and best to gates why a stone blacklisted him along with russian t.v. channels and even the country's foreign minister.

very warm welcome to you you're with r t with me karan taraji this saturday while u.n. observers in syria continue their investigation into an alleged at a massacre in the hama province monitors have visited the side of the killings but are unable to determine how many died or who was behind the slaughter reports of violence continue to come from across the country with several bomb blasts and gun battles erupting in the capital damascus argues more if an ocean and now reports. damascus last night has been hit by war some have been described as the heaviest fighting between the rebels the opposition the opposition and the governmental forces we've been deed been hearing sounds of explosions and how we shall ngs and separate shootings for several hours nonstop and as it's become normal for the syrian conflict we've been hearing conflicting reports on exactly what happened and why this occurred the london based syrian observatory for human rights have been saying.