some politicians. have gathered here to add value to the actual threat to. try to name the regions of the countries where such a threat may be coming they also discussed such issues as the possibility of a compromise between russia and the west on such issues for example as the. system deployment and these are the subjects that we will talk about today with the president of the international forum. there. the nuclear nonproliferation treaty was signed over half a century but. still a huge issue since then if you knew states claimed they had obtained atomic bombs including the isolated and unpredictable north korea terrorists who can get access to nukes are great concern to especially nuclear ambitions unstable middle east regimes in an effort to unite the world's leading nonproliferation and security

experts forum was created it's the most important result of the international conference on preventing nuclear catastrophe which was held in luxembourg in two thousand and seven since the very beginning their renowned businessman and philanthropist dr counter has been the forum's president. mr counter and welcome to our program hello. general question first of all. how do you choose the location is called the luxembourg forum because it started in luxembourg but how do you choose a venue. in this case it's quite obvious. there has been a change in leadership. which makes berlin a logical choice. so we decided with

france and italy and some other important to european nations having new leadership when germany's role in preventing a nuclear disaster he's bound to increase. them. so we thought he would be wise to attract to the attention of the international community to all forum by holding it in berlin. as president of stand your sponsoring the forum with your own money at your own initiative to be also try to raise money otherwise and overall is it worth the money you're spending solely. fortune well to be precise this isn't my money or rather it's not just my money. the funding for the form comes from the european council on tall rents in your rican tsui ocean. where i'm merely

a coach. another cochairman former polish president alexander it cost me of. dieties the sponsor. if not for the reason endowment is registered in luxembourg that raises funds for all the operations and activities of that organization and then i will rephrase my question as co-chairs you and mr vice the esky have to report to the endowment in its trustees about how that money is used there must have been considerable sums committed in the past five years is it it worth. beyond any doubt we are happy with the luxembourg forum we held at fourteen meeting so over the past five years hosted by practically every major capital in the world were crucial decisions are made of the. washington moscow london paris and now we've made it to berlin.

so you're saying the form is worth its salt and the same time here is your recent quote the world has become much more tense and much more unsafe than it was a year ago even closer to breaking point in global security what makes you say that would you consider yourself a pessimist or are you just well informed. well. let me put it blaine in simple. challenges to global security come from in the context of. two nations iran and north korea. do you believe that iran's nuclear program is really dangerous for its neighbors and the world in general.

well let's take a look at the facts the void you read on the report today here in his almost six thousand centrifuges that operate around the clock. and that number is increasing. here in it has about six tons three point five percent alone reached uranium. in addition it has about a hundred and seventy kilograms of uranium in a reach to twenty percent up. what does this mean. that iran is already in position of enough uranium to produce seven or eight warheads. these are the facts that now there is another interesting consideration. the i.e. has been asking iran why do you need military technology is. why do you need the so-called nuclear explosive devices. actually meaning other

components that are of no use for anything except for the production of nuclear weapons. and the i.a.e.a. he's getting no answers we're not talking about our expert community are a big key authority in this area that is not getting the answers. let them. or you voicing the opinion of the luxembourg forum certainly as far as i can see is rather in line with the stance of the west than with that of moscow because as far as i understand you think least correct me if i'm wrong if these positions differ somewhat if the west generally has a sharper response progress got to the point of discussing airstrikes against iran's nuclear facilities or is moscow keep saying it doesn't see a threat this is a peaceful program in iran has the right to develop seemingly in nuclear facilities . and you know we are now entering an area that is in effect theory important

and this is. why do we need a toll such civil society institutions as an export community will not you know we are often accused or rather these are not actually accusations there are other simply point out at things as they are they say you will ahead of the time. you are probably saying all the right things but they are not well timed they're out of the political and economic context and by that context you mean elections currency rates oil prices and so on anything real. and our response to this is that's exactly why. our job is to be head of the time before a political decision can be prepared and implemented we must pay the way forward for all the major players and for all the countries you know hold in this situation which will inhibit. the use of us if u.s.

experts don't get hurt do you think it can come to the use of force i mean is the u.s. or israel strike at iran's alleged nuclear facilities a possibility if then you will possibility. taught us that anything's possible no yell but that's the this is the worst scenario one could imagine because. the luxembourg forums experts have published a study of assessing the existing options for an intervention and there is simply no successful scenario some better some a worse yet but there is no winning option at all but i think there is generally nor alternative to diplomacy and political more gaining but this does not mean we should turn a blind eye on iran's failure to comply. with those who ignore the requirements of the un security council in the i e must be are full responsibility

for it in accordance with the international law. that is where the role of an un security council resolutions. mr counter in a previous interview for our program you described a look some work for him as the voice of civil society on the issues of nonproliferation. this one has remained but i'm still unclear as to who your target audience is whom are you addressing in the first place is it public opinion is it grassroots initiative is it political decision makers or is what you do a form of lobbying. when. no alexander. i can tell you the expert community doesn't lobby anyone's interests like i said we pave the way to the future who we dress everyone we send our reports to decision makers you know all the leading powers of the world and to all official international

institutions and n.g.o.s on top of that even if you look at today's session it he will find our colleagues from similar initiatives such as the poland wash conference's longest staff of the luxembourg forum. and the people are really lobbyist and they know. they aren't i don't know only published conferences for thirty years i can consider them lobbyists they are scientists and their staffing philosophy yet is different from ours sexually. let me rephrase the question then if you want to address this through ids we have to convince them. but if you want to talk to the public you have to be feeling to the public what is your target audience do you seek to puta the every citizen in get your ideas across or do you aim to influence decision makers because that would

require a different to set that. i would see or emus you present solid facts. we are not a populist organization. then the fuck do you think the modern society has trust in facts these days because many say doesn't like people even ideology and myths but the time when people used to listen to scientists is over or so they say because they've got it i would say that people today believe in things that haven't been trivialized if you will. which would if you were to come up with a formula for getting your message across i'd see you definitely needs to see unexpected things. well know that. i would and you also said the nuclear issue is getting trivialized today so are you concerned with that. what would you use them

in the us to answer your question we don't engage in populism. we don't want to be everyone's darling. as much public attention as possible our purpose is to present an objective look at the situation for anyone entitle to make assessments make decisions for those who want to make such a decision today that will be an issue for future deliberation. says if you just come to the president of the luxembourg forum on preventing you take a test spotlight will be back shortly after the break so stay with us now go. through.

i'm sure all of our got a story are out about that crazy lady with a convertible that. there were times. i was on death row for nineteen years right. that. these people. it is necessary to. everything we do to them. but it needs to be done nobody wants to be linked to. the historical. of the

american death penalty today in large part from the nazis and the. state of texas. and they executed. won't be allowed to touch him until at. the house. he keeps telling me they can't hear me and they are. blocked. every time i go by. i won't be there i will not witness the killing myself. welcome back to spotlight i'm going off and just a reminder that my guest on the show today is the just left country president of

the luxembourg forum on preventing nuclear catastrophe. some of the world renowned experts on nuclear prevention get then luxembourg five years ago out of that meeting and non-governmental organization emerged the international luxembourg forum on preventing nuclear catastrophe since done it has become quite an influential body on the issues of international security with members seen feedback on the highest level even to prod some government at least. voice many of the disciplines order form from time to time invited to advise those consultants to governments so that it was a very important contribution to celebrate the forums five years long nonproliferation effort the fledgling organization chose to join one capital early this the city which knows best to what extremes can question why do you always just

leave the berlin wall is one of the most vivid symbols of intolerance twenty years after the wall fell boeing has become a place to build bridges between civilizations and to talk peace building bridges between civilizations is what the luxemburg forms big manifesto always all about it's in fact a scientific research go in as far as trying to measure tolerance and it's an attempt to find an alternative to the two concepts which are not working one is heading toward steere reopening inevitability of a clash of civilizations in the other is multiculturalism in this book with come up with. we call security tolerance with. the luxembourg forums president has left cantor assured the manifesto has a nonsense of how to cope with some of the worst threats of the modern world including nuclear terrorism some other participants of the organization of a very simple reasons to put weapons aside at a time when we have

a great recession taking place in the global economy it is very important for us to ponder as to why we should continue to spend one hundred billion u.s. dollars on the nuclear weapon programs of all the countries that have nuclear weapons with the instability in such places as iran north korea and pakistan the international luxemburg forum on preventing nuclear catastrophe feels it one be short of challenges in the near future it's only just past the credibility test on the international arena and it's no ready to try and do more for a new threat meet a geisha. there isn't the issue of pakistan which is a nuclear power and even roll their missiles from military parades i seen it myself if they're at the same time there is a very strong islamic fundamentalist sentiment in that country many believe pakistan is highly dangerous as a place for fundamentalism and nuclear capabilities come together we can decide

let's not forget that pakistan is practically in a state of war with india who is also a nuclear power. certainly up with but your question is correct at the southeast asia he's in another respect which next to iran and north korea which why . first of all unlike you ran is north korea. and pakistan already possess nuclear weapons so you know they've got to talk off three hundred in six to me so with potential global reach and a hundred of them can be armed with nuclear warheads. what does this imply considering that the pakistani government probably has the limited control over its own territory. student and how does it feel your

pain in pakistan's perpetual conflict with india which you have just referred to you know. what it spells is it permanent of the reason the fact. that i can you and tell you that the deficiency of governance in pakistan has created a risk of nuclear weapons being commercialised in that country. really look like yes of course i knew of course and i just quoted cuts them every time there is a change of government that they just think oh hoover retarded generals with access to the nuclear armory you want to get a good bargain for it it's like you know i don't want to speculate but we've already witnessed the black market for nuclear materials emerge in pakistan patronized by dr abdul han. who can guarantee you such a market will not remarriage.

let's not forget someone bin laden set up his headquarters in pakistan he was actually well with that unfortunately all of this has a weekend and v.m. merican influence over pakistan's leadership. in still you put pakistan third to iran in the north korea you see pillion as more threatening is there because of the regime they have plenty of control in that country deal of what you see the north korean regime is certainly more aggressive than pakistan. at the same time and should be noted that north korea currently has forty two kilos of weapon grade plutonium. they used different technology that is not what you said when reaching uranium they have a single facility where they enrich tony i'm the new iran. that is a more advanced technology but they're stuck with what i'm grade plutonium would be

enough to produce some seven to eight warheads similarly to iran's capabilities. they were already got a delivery vehicle to do that that is why north korea generally poses a serious threat. but unlike here in north korea does despite or to dominate its entire region when it up its regime is not using the nuclear issue to hansard stand any public domestically it's already strengthened to the extreme you know i would say north korea does not essentially pose a nuclear threat to its neighbors and the promising thing about pyongyang use that it is a client to commercialize its nuclear controversy but not in the sense of nuclear trafficking about it with the yeah. they simply need money. they need money in their willing trade war game offering transparency. you exchange economic benefits

. such was the trend with the previous leader of the bill in its. current leader. i've been watching you form for many years the iranians have been telling everyone we are a peaceful nation we're developing nuclear capabilities and purposes for the sake of national development we're not targeting anyone and we can prove it and you just said the koreans are ready to actually bargain and make a compromise then why aren't they attending your conference they're not interested in talking to you. you know we always invite all the players story meetings. so why don't they show up at us well for a variety of reasons. for example i remember air rather telling incident which happened during the very first forum which took place in luxembourg we invited to

prominent nuclear iraq. and then the person. detained by national authorities and was released only after the form was over that suggests it's the government not the experts who is reluctant well the government must have taken our form for threat. there is another thing ever noticed about the form of the iranian nuclear controversy and that in north korea are issues of stark contention between russia and nato including the united states but i don't sense that from your form's discussion what can we say that russian and western experts in metairie officials share a common outlook at this issue that you did that they sensually do why. i would put it this way in every single meeting of the forum the reason common understanding of a fundamental. which probably overlooked by the general

public. leaving aside old the details of. the. nuclear safety start moving much toward universal disarmament if you will. there is just one prerequisite. ginning that confidence and understanding between the world's junior nuclear powers russia and the united states the experts are aware of that that's the bottom line bully that if there was absolute confidence between russia and the united states the world could have been able to get down to practical measures for arms reduction a long time ago in a would have done nothing to debate it because both mr portman in his first presidential turn and then use president george w. bush have declared by the cold war overtly and said we are strategic partners not i

think you just what you are what we are of the practical steps to back this up previously we so i'd like to laugh a size thirty if only i'd there was genuine confidence backed by practical measures their world would be in a much safer place. but that's why you will see is that sports should be the way. listen thank you thank you thank you very much for the with this on the show and just reminded that and i guess was it count and that's it for now from all of us here spotlight will be back with more comments on above the line on in and outside pressure until then stay on and take care i see.

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