tv [untitled] June 11, 2012 5:00pm-5:30pm EDT
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the global economy with much stronger no holds barred look at the global financial headlines. as reports. today are to say goodbye to anonymity on the internet a new bill in new york wants your name on every comment you post and everything you do is this a logical step for the sake of security or a breach of free speech rights we'll take you to the big. plus trapped in a legal limbo dozens of guantanamo bay prisoners have been cleared for release but only a few have actually been set free so why is the pentagon still detaining men they deemed innocent delve into this with the author of the guantanamo files. and if you think the u.s. is still the land of opportunity you may want to keep dreaming one well respected economist says the american dream is now a myth or give you
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a few good reasons why it's harder to improve your socio economic status today than ever before. it is monday june eleventh five pm in washington d.c. my name is christine and you're watching our t.v. well some interesting news came down this afternoon that may cause some of you to want to take cover but should at the very least cause all of us to take notice the u.s. navy has confirmed that an unmanned aerial vehicle a drone has crashed on maryland's eastern shore just a few hours ago a spokesman for the patuxent river air station said the crash happened during a routine maintenance flight near bloodsworth island around noon today no one was injured when this forty four foot long aircraft came barreling toward the earth because of the crash is still being determined now this comes at an interesting time when the discussion about drones in general has been in the news quite
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a bit lately congressman peter king was on c.n.n.'s state of the union over the weekend praising the u.s. drone program take a listen. the stuff about drones making enemies we use no drones the only time we use weapons or the one nine hundred ninety s. was to defend muslims in bosnia and kosovo and then they turned around to turn around and act as a nine eleven this is evil people in the world drones are an evil people are evil we were a force of good and we're using those drones to carry out the policy of a righteous and goodness well more evidence today that those unmanned aerial vehicles are in full use here in this country as well that futuristic time of drones flying over u.s. airspace well it has arrived. so these days whenever i go out to dinner or when i travel i never book a reservation until i check a few things how's the food how's the service as the hotel had bed bugs before you know important things to find out how many people who write those reviews and leave
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their comments do so because they can remain anonymous well guess what some lawmakers in new york are pushing legislation to ban anonymity on all big apple websites if you want to comment you have to give your name your home address your ip address even critical reviews of local businesses on yelp and they want to do this apparently because people have been too mean spirited especially when it comes to political attacks are the correspondent on a stasi a church going to take a look at this. the internet is known for its abducted the lure of anonymity a major booster and speaking one's mind but some good things just don't last forever a couple of lawmakers in new york are advocating banning anonymous comments online what would this mean for the freedom of speech in the u.s. and who would ever support let's find out always or really do oh my god come on no way through for you know this was just good lamar to imagine for a second that anonymity has bands on the internet what would happen if. they
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happen to be possible like that bother you need some so much good citizens of and. if it's someone like. whose name he won't tell you it depends on the type of anonymous comment i don't think anybody should have to hide if ever say what do you think would happen if all those people out there on line of anonymously were banned for good from doing anything on top of that and everything if you couldn't be anonymous online anymore and everybody knew who you are when you left a comment like that to hide universal just. so i hide in the bushes. going in the bushes while the mastermind behind the band site preventing cyber bullying as their motive the idea has been reason eyebrows of shock on web users say not only will the internet sees her exist as it is but the bad would also be in breach of the u.s. constitution we'd end up like china and i mean i admire them for a lot of things but there are respect for human rights and privacy
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a definite i want to it's just going to change the very nature of the internet i mean anonymous comments are what keeps a lot of people honest lot of people wouldn't take them on there who says yes some bad things are posted by people who are anonymous but at the same time it's sort of like limiting free speech if you do that well so people really don't care what they do and whether or not they do it anonymously the overwhelming majority of new yorkers. would be right it is anonymous online ever. new york. all right well this seems a little crazy to me but let's bring in t.j. walker news commentator and c.e.o. of media training worldwide hey there t.j. now we should mention this legislation has not been passed but really this is really going on a dear city talk to me about this. well don't blame it on whole new yorkers most of us don't want this this is absurd these politicians need to develop a thick skin you know anyone who's in public life anyone who gives opinions on the
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internet they've got to be ready for criticism i get nasty comments every day people say they hate my b.d. they say they hate my hair i get to live with it it's tough when you're going to limit the first amendment to the constitution you better have a good reason and shouting fire in a full theater that's a good reason national security or threatening to kill a public official that's a good reason but just because i might have my feelings hurt not a good reason yeah you know last time i checked i mean you mention the first amendment that's been around forever guess what we're also living in a post to citizens united era were not only can you say mean things about political candidates according to the supreme court and do so anonymously you can also give as much money as you want and also remain anonymous i guess i'm just wondering how would these you know local lawmakers think that they can even get away with this. well my suspicion is they're just trying to play with some of their detractors
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they're trying to send a chill up their spine they don't really think this will pass they certainly don't think this would pass constitutional muster in the court system but they're doing it to intimidate. it's not going to have an impact something tells me these politicians are going to be trashed even more anonymously and by people who put their names i mean i always put my name when i'm criticizing someone of the internet but that's just me i have a big ego i want credit for people who want privacy they deserve it and in america you have the right to be nasty that's the bottom line and i we should say it is all across america but and it's not just new york where they're trying to sort of push back on this in idaho a local republican party official is suing a commentator on a newspaper website trying to force that newspaper the idaho spokesman review to not only turn over the comics commentators information but also to turn over the information on people who left comments on the article. talk
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a little bit about this i mean i think that goes along the lines of what you said about people need to have a thicker skin but what's the reaction here. well it's chilling it should scare anyone who cares about freedoms but we've seen this before in america let's not forget all the court battles that oprah winfrey had to go through just because she said she didn't like hamburger and that's the reason we have dr phil around today is that court case so every so often there are politicians who abuse their power to protect their little feelings or the feelings of some powerful interest group by shutting down people's ability to communicate but in the long run it never works where you think about one of the people that honest us interviewed in her piece you know said something smart he said because people can remain anonymous on the internet it helps them remain honest i mean how many times do we read you know an article in the new york times or the washington post where it's you know an unnamed official who gave this comment but even when it
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comes to restaurant reviews i mean maybe there's an employee at the restaurant who has inside secrets the people in the kitchen are spitting in the food they're not going to tell people and leave their name but they're going to tell people nonetheless what do you think about this notion that you know honesty equals anonymity. well sometimes anonymity helps people who want to be honest but that's not why we have freedom of speech that's not why there's a constitutional protection against living speech it's simply a right of americans to say what they want because i would argue for every one really honest comment that came out because someone had anonymity there's probably a thousand where people are just making obscene nasty vicious comments i mean i get it every day i'm sure you do to someone here's a political opinion they don't like they instantly want to question your sexuality now that's not a good thing but we have to make sure that the solution is worse than the problem i
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think that's a really good point on talk to me about what you think i mean now i don't know how likely it is that this bill would pass in new york but what do you think would be the implications if it did pass. i don't think it's going to pass if it does either gets vetoed by the governor or have it's not vetoed by the governor i think it gets struck down by a lower court if it doesn't it will be struck down by the supreme court so as a practical matter i don't think this is going to have an impact but it doesn't mean people who care about civil liberties and press freedoms shouldn't take it seriously now i mean what do you think i know when you're in your line of work you're in the media you know what's the answer to these for these people who you know are having their feelings hurt i mean maybe the isn't there a media strategy for them to come back yes i have a perfectly good strategy i use it every day because i have thousands of videos on the internet and columns posted as as you and many of your colleagues do and here's
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the thing the second i read someone saying you know t.j. you're so ugly that. i just stop reading and you know what it doesn't hurt i've yet to have anyone come to my door and threaten violence just because they wrote something nasty they don't think if they want to say i'm really ugly i don't think it's true but you know what to them it's true they should have the right to say that yeah i mean on the on the opposite end of this a lot of people say you know there's the fear you know for new businesses for example that the competing businesses will start leaving negative comments on the website but it's one of those things that i think over time you know word of mouth and the truth usually comes out right. if people do catch on to that you can snuff it out and if you are of business i mean there's nothing prevents preventing someone whispering to their friends hey don't go to this are we going to patrol the streets to see what people are whispering to their friends at some point you have
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to say the government just can't solve every problem in the world we've got kids who can't read and we've got a massive obesity problem the what people want to say about others is just not something we can government attention focusing on very good point there t.j. walker news commentator and c.e.o. of media training rolled wide in our new york studio thanks so much thank you thanks a lot. well the supreme court today gave us a preview of cases that it would be willing to hear in its next term and not and not list an appeal from a group of detainees from guantanamo bay now i want to talk about this because this is important so let's start with a short timeline of the significance of get mo which since two thousand and two it's been used as a military prison for people captured in afghanistan and iraq because of its location in cuba officials there have been able to you know deny prisoners the protections mandated under the geneva convention and this has brought forth quite
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a bit of anger both here in the united states and across the world now in two thousand and eight the supreme court ruled that the detainees at gitmo could in fact challenge their detention in the case the case was called the median for the bush and in two thousand and nine barack obama became president and many people believe that after that it would just be a short time before the doors to guantanamo bay would be locked for good and here's why and if you will follow that. want to out of all bets easy to close down guantanamo restore habeas corpus abort we're going to lead by shutting the whole restoring libya's corpus to macos guantanamo and i will follow through on that tumble will be closed that represents the rule of war and. that's why we're going to qualify our credible threat of. a vast forward to less than a year after president obama was inaugurated an attempted act of terror by a man named omar faruq abdulla tal otherwise known as the underwear bomber basically tried to hide
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a bomb in his underwear and he happened to be from yemen that cause the president to halt the release of any detainees and get mail from yemen well today there are still a one hundred sixty nine prisoners being held there and more than half of them have already been cleared for release i want to talk about this with andy worthington author of the book guantanamo files he joined me just a little earlier song about what this means of for american citizens and i started out by asking him what he thought today's announcement by the supreme court meant to not take these appeals on. well you know this is a very depressing ruling by the supreme court decision that they're not going to take up any of the appeals that were lodged by granting them a person that's the problem is that four years ago. tomorrow actually exactly four years ago the supremes courts gave the guantanamo prisoners saviour's corpus rights and that led to a flurry of cases in which judges in the district court in washington d.c.
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heard the prisoners cases looked at the evidence from both sides and decided in a lot of these cases that the government didn't have a case against them and ordered their release now these appeals are about just that for the last two years in particular the d.c. circuit court so the appeals court has been rewriting the rules of detention has been overriding the decisions that were made by the district court judges has been saying effectively anything that the government says we should be treating as though it's true. and has been stopping any of the prisoners being released through these legal means in the last two years not a single prisoner has when they say this call this decision it's very very politically motivated by the d.c. circuit because these are very right wing judges they don't want prisoners released any circumstances and the supreme court has been actually insulted by these judges in that one of the senior circuit court judges. actually delivered
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a speech in which he compared them to characters in the great gatsby by by saying that they were quoted from the great gatsby and said these were careless people who broke things and he was referring to be made in the one that was four years ago it seems to me though i mean anything the government puts forth as evidence is taken as fact. these government officials don't have to say where they got these evidence against these detainees they don't have to say how it came about they just put it for the last that. well what was happening in the early days was the judges were very impartially looking at the evidence and saying look you're calling upon the evidence of some of the prisoners fellow detainees we also see here that you have actually said that you don't trust the statements that were made by a lot of these prisoners we don't trust your statements that were made by people in the field they were very carefully looking at all the different sides as they're
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supposed to do and what you're talking about is something that's only happened in the last two years it's destroyed behaviors process have actually made havey escort was. extinct for the guantanamo prisoners now and that grace and something that the supremes court really shouldn't be ignoring and break this down for man because i know that you've been doing so much research on this eighty seven detainees have been cleared for release by the president's interagency guantanamo review task force why haven't they been released. well of these eighty seven two thirds of these are yemenis and as you mentioned after we had that that trouble with my for don't move actually nigerian man who was recruited in yemen for this attempted underwear bomb there was a backlash and the president capitulated to the criticism and said i won't release any more yemenis and he's been true to his word just move on yemenis been released through a court case now you know i think that really tragic thing and what i exposed in my
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report which i wrote last week from my website and the worthington and the close guantanamo website that iraq is that some of these yemeni prisoners were cleared for release by military view goes under the bush administration back in two thousand and four eight years ago looking and i looked at all the other cases that i could find of yemenis and of people from other countries so they were cleared eight years ago and they're there they're still there yeah i mean the bush administration was also reluctant to release prisoners to yemen but they did i mean two dozen prisoners have been released to yemen over the years but there's been this persistent refusal to release people regardless of how they're judged and i think that makes a mockery of the entire process if we keep having review processes under bush and now under obama saying we do not want to keep holding these people and yet we don't release them what does that say for on the oceans of justice it makes
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a mockery of it and in our introduction we showed several examples not just one several examples then candidate obama also obama once he won the election on sixty minutes saying he had every intention of closing guantanamo bay why in your opinion i mean does it really just come down to this new knowledge that yemen is actually a threat i mean why has the guantanamo bay not been closed. well you know he faced obstruction from congress that when he showed weakness early on and didn't release prisoners as soon as he said he wanted to close guantanamo he had the option then to release dozens of he said task force officials who spent a year looking at the guantanamo cases and pretty soon into that process republican senators in particular but also members of his own party who were caught up in the climate of fear started to think. he has got a plan and the republicans worked out that they could use graham's anima and say that he was weak about guantanamo national security and use that against him and then released. lawmakers have been passing laws tying his hands preventing him from
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releasing prisoners but he's lacked the will he's lacked the courage he's backed down on numerous occasions when he shouldn't and we've also this ruling that we've had today from the supreme court also refusing to get involved the sad position that we're in is that every branch of the united states government has failed the prisoners in guantanamo and when we have a one hundred sixty nine men who have been cleared for release but i still held that it's a disgraceful message to be sending it to the world and it is and then injustice for those people who still have a right and he worthington author of the. files appreciate your insight here. well talk now about the state of our economy when it comes to pulling ourselves up by the bootstraps this is a common narrative we know the streets here may not be paved with gold but most of us in this country were taught that hard work diligence and persistence have always been the most important keys to success while that view is being challenged in
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a major way by one of this country's most prominent economist nobel prize winner joseph stiglitz and his new book he argues the inequality gap in this country has gotten so large that the chances of those at the bottom making it to the middle or the top are now very low lower even than they were in old europe even if they study hard in school and work hard at their jobs still as his new book is titled the price of inequality how today's divided society endangers our future and here he is describing what he means so google. is of somebody from the. who doesn't do very well in school are better than somebody from the bottom who does well in school so that really says you know your parents make a great deal of difference to your economic fortunes were not going out of opportunity as well as talk about this notion that the united states of america isn't that land of opportunity we thought it once was and help me break this down
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as richard wolffe author of the book occupy the economy challenging capitalism. lolo there richard on let me get your take i mean do you agree with this notion that it matters much more who your parents are than how hard you work. yes i agree it's becoming worse but you know it's been true here in the united states for quite a while we have a very elaborate misawa gee about people having all kinds of chances but when you look hard at the statistics you really don't see that you are pretty well constrained in the united states by where you're born and who you're lucky to have as parents are not so lucky but the but stiglitz is right it is getting worse as the gap between rich and poor in the united states keeps widening beyond that we were that we've ever seen before for at least one hundred years yeah it's so interesting i mean i see these new stories and read these articles about people especially you know higher income people in new york city and other cities around
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this country fighting to get their child into a certain kindergarten that they're worried that where their child goes to kindergarten will affect where they go to college and guess what it turns out in some cases they might be right. yes it's a whole pattern you know once upon a time americans worried about what their child would get in the way of a college then it became what kind of private school to get you into the college and the keeps on growing until it becomes what your toddler is playschool to get you in to this system where you will then the end up but the underlying reality is there are so few good jobs good income situations left as the country produces most of its goods in poor countries around the world as we outsource more and more decent jobs we're left with a population whose real opportunities are shrinking and a population that was never trained to expect this so we have this disjunction and
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it's always what happens in a society as it begins to fall apart and the stresses and strains become part of the culture i think it's a really good point and i think we can talk about that and make your point without bringing in china i know i've heard various reports that show about three million jobs have been wiped out of this country i just since two thousand and one and it's directly related to the growing u.s. china trade deficit so you know we've got less being exported more being imported and out of those jobs more than half of them were in manufacturing i'm wondering richard i mean do you think that there's a way to break this pattern or at least slow it down. not in the foreseeable future we've basically had twenty to twenty five years of mostly american corporations seeking to make more money by moving production from american workers to cheaper foreign workers what has even accelerated the problem is in the last twenty years
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fifteen to twenty years white collar jobs not just manufacturing but clerical jobs jobs where you need education or also being outsourced particularly for example to india and so you have a combination of blue and white collar jobs that americans trained for went to school for prepared for but they're just not there and there's a kind of social disorientation as the impact of this move by corporations to make more money at the expense of the american people sinks into the consciousness of our people and you know let's talk about those corporations i mean corporate profits right now are skyrocketing and we see this in a couple different ways in the last thirty years the share of national income held by the top one percent of americans has actually doubled and for the top point one percent their share has tripled meanwhile when we look at you know the middle class
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and median incomes for american workers those have stagnated and for some families they've seen their wages go down and talk a little bit about i mean you talk about sort of the push and pull the tug of war of what's going on here to go into a little bit of detail there. well i think what you see is a movement of jobs out of the united states the end result isn't complicated more and more americans discover that the jobs are just not there and they ratchet down their expectations they prove suade themselves to accept the job below what they're trained for with an income that's less secure that has fewer benefits and so you see a sliding down word in the standard of living of american workers the corporations however have a different story they're the beneficiaries they're the ones whose profits go lock up because they've moved the work to cheaper workers in another country and so you get this disjunction where the corporations and the people rich enough to have
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stocks and bonds in those corporations do very well the one percent and the rest of us struggle in a downward tide that affects all of us and that keeps it parading so that you know the statistics i tell my students thirty years ago the united states was a less of an equal country than most of europe now we've leaf frog over europe and become more unequal than any other invest industrial advance country and for the american people brought up with the notion of equality of opportunity if you work hard you'll make it it's very hard psychologically as well as practically to cope with the situation as don't ward facing as this one is well it's tougher to because that you know on one hand it's very hard to fall businesses even some of these big corporations for wanting to make more money but what they're going to take i mean
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one of the i think this is very unlikely but i mean is there any way i mean what if we had a couple c.e.o.'s of major corporations who said you know what i'm going to strive to make one hundred million dollars and after i make one hundred million dollars for my core corporation everything else i make i'm going to reinvest into more jobs you know i have my yachts i have my you know fourteen houses everything i make i'm going to reinvest why aren't there more you know heads of corporations who say i'm going to stop and keep everything here in this country. well you know in some countries they do that germany for example which is doing much better than the united states in this current economic crisis has very strict rules about when a company can leave they do not have the freedom american companies have to get up and go and yet they're doing very well it's the culture it's a question of whether the working classes the unions the socialist communist movements are strong enough to impose limits and constraints when they are business
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men and women often kind of adopt a mentality you're talking about a culture in which they can't just do what makes the most profits they also have to weigh against that what the social consequences are and if those are bad for huge numbers of people they can't go in that direction we haven't done that in this country and now we're suffering the consequences of having destroyed our left we have no social force that reigns in the kind of the quiz it is a cumulative mentality that governs our corporations and explains why so few of them will do what you just said yeah germany is such a good example to bring up there are so many of their biggest companies have you know the workers that fit on the board with these c.e.o.'s they're just not as much of a disconnect between and i was going to have you on richard wall author of the book occupy the economy challenging capitalism thank you for her that's going to do it for now but for more on the stories we covered go to.
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