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tonight on r t ever feel like you're stuck in a rut will join the masses of americans who can't move on on the socio economic ladder coming up we'll tell you why one well respected economist says the american dream is now a myth. and say goodbye to anonymity on the internet a new bill in new york ones your name on every comment you post and everything you do this is a logical step for the sake of security or a breach of free speech rights we'll take you to the big apple. and if you've been waiting in the security line at the airport was already a pain it better hope your name isn't a common one it could keep you grounded for life well take a look at the no fly list and ask if it's just another overreach by the federal government.
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well it's monday june eleventh eight pm in washington d.c. i'm christine frizz out here watching our t.v. well the interesting news came down this afternoon and may cause some of you to want to take cover but should at the very least cause us all to take notice the u.s. navy has confirmed that an unmanned aerial vehicle has crashed on maryland's eastern shore just a little earlier today as the auction for the patuxent river air station said the crash happened during a routine maintenance flight near bloodsworth island around noon no one was injured when the forty four foot long aircraft came barreling toward the earth because of the crash is still being determined now this comes at an interesting time when the discussion about drones in general has been in the news quite a bit lately congressman peter king was on c.n.n. at the state of the union over the weekend praising the u.s. drone program take a listen. the stuff about drones making enemies we used no drones the only time we
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use weapons or the one nine hundred ninety s. was to defend muslims in bosnia and kosovo and then they turned around to turn around and act as a nine eleven is evil people in the world drones are evil people are evil we are a force of good and we are using those drones to carry out the policy of a righteous and goodness while more evidence today that unmanned aerial vehicles are in full use here in this country as well and futuristic time of drones flying in u.s. airspace it has arrived. now about the state of our economy when it comes to pulling ourselves up by our bootstraps this is a common narrative you know we know the streets here may not be paved with gold but most of us here in this country were taught that hard work diligence and persistence have always been the most important keys to success in this country all of you is now being challenge in a major way i want of this country's most prominent economists economists nobel prize winner joseph stiglitz and his new book he argues that the inequality gap has
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gotten so large that the chances of those at the bottom making it to the top or even the middle are now very low even lower than they were in old europe even if they study hard in school and work hard in their jobs his book is titled the price of inequality how today's divided society endangers our future and here he is describing what he means so to. hence is of somebody from the time who doesn't do very well in school are better than somebody from the bottom who does well in school so that really says you know your parents make a great deal of difference to your economic fortunes we're not the land of opportunity. so let's talk about this notion that the united states of america isn't a land of opportunity we thought it was well earlier richard wolfe who wrote occupy the economy challenging capital capitalism join me and i asked him if he agreed with this theory that our society in the society it matters more on who your
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parents are and how hard you work and here's what he had to say. yes i agree that's becoming worse but you know it's been true here in the united states for quite a while we have a very elaborate myth solid g. about people having all kinds of chances but when you look hard at the statistics you really don't see that you are pretty well constrained in the united states by where you're born and who you're lucky to have as parents or not so lucky but the but stiglitz is right it is getting worse as the gap between rich and poor in the united states keeps widening beyond that we were that we've ever seen before for at least a hundred years yeah it's so interesting i mean i see these new stories and read these articles about people especially you know higher income people in new york city and other cities around this country fighting to get their child into a certain kindergarten that they're worried that where their child goes to
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kindergarten will affect where they go to college and guess what it turns out in some cases they might be right. yes it's a whole pattern you know once upon a time americans worried about what their child would get in the way of a college then it became what kind of private school to get you into the college and the keeps on growing until it becomes what your toddler is playschool to get you in to this system where you will then the end up but the underlying reality is there are so few good jobs good income situations left as the country produces most of its goods in poor countries around the world as we outsource more and more decent jobs we're left with a population whose real opportunities are shrinking and a population that was never trained to expect this so we have this disjunction and it's always what happens in a society as it begins to fall apart and the stresses and strains become part of
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the culture i think it's a really good point and i think we can talk about that and make your point without bringing in china i know i've heard various reports that show about three million jobs have been wiped out of this country i just since two thousand and one and it's directly related to the growing u.s. china trade deficit so you know we've got less being exported it more being imported and out of those jobs more than half of them were in manufacturing i'm wondering richard i mean do you think that there's a way to break this pattern or at least slow it down. not in the foreseeable future we've basically had twenty to twenty five years of mostly american corporations seeking to make more money by moving production from american workers to cheaper foreign workers what has even accelerated the problem is in the last twenty years fifteen to twenty years white collar jobs not just manufacturing but clerical jobs jobs where you need education or also being outsourced particularly for example to
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india and so you have a combination of blue and white collar jobs that americans trained for went to school for prepared for but they're just not there and there's a kind of social disorientation as the impact of this move by corporations to make more money at the expense of the american people sinks into the consciousness of our people and you know let's talk about those corporations i mean corporate profits right now are skyrocketing and we see this in a couple different ways in the last thirty years the share of national income held by the top one percent of americans has actually doubled and for the top point one percent their share has tripled meanwhile when we look at you know the middle class and median incomes for american workers those have stagnated and for some families they've seen their wages go down talk a little bit about i mean you talk about sort of the push and pull the tug of war
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of what's going on here to go into a little bit of detail there. well i think what you see is a movement of jobs out of the united states the end result isn't complicated more and more americans discover that the jobs are just not there and they ratchet down their expectations they prove suade themselves to accept the job below what they're trained for with an income that's less secure that has fewer benefits and so you see a sliding down word in the standard of living of american workers the corporations however have a different story they're the beneficiaries they're the ones whose profits go lock because they've moved the work to cheaper workers in another country and so you get this disjunction where the corporations and the people rich enough to have stocks and bonds in those corporations do very well the one percent and the rest of us
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struggle in a downward tide that affects all of us and that keeps it parading so that you know the statistics i tell my students thirty years ago the united states was a less of an equal country than most of europe now we've leaf frog over europe and become more of the equal than any other invest industrial advance country and for the american people brought up with the notion of equality of opportunity if you work hard you'll make it it's very hard psychologically as well as practically to cope with this situation as don't ward facing as this one is well it's tougher to because that you know on one hand it's very hard to fault businesses even some of these big corporations for wanting to make more money but what they're going to take i mean one of the i think this is very unlikely but i mean is there any way i mean what if we had a couple c.e.o.'s of major corporations who said you know what i'm going to strive to make one hundred million dollars and after i make one hundred million dollars
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for my core corporation everything else i make i'm going to reinvest into more jobs you know i have my yachts i have my you know fourteen houses everything i make i'm going to reinvest why aren't there more you know heads of corporations who say i'm going to stop and keep everything here in this country. well you know in some countries they do that germany for example which is doing much better than the united states in this current economic crisis has very strict rules about when a company can leave they do not have the freedom american companies have to get up and go and yet they're doing very well it's the culture it's a question of whether the working classes the unions the socialist communist movements are strong enough to impose limits and constraints when they are business men and women often kind of adopt a mentality you're talking about a culture in which they can't just do what makes the most profits they also have to
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weigh against that what the social consequences are and if those are bad for huge numbers of people they can't go in that direction we haven't done that in this country and now we're suffering the consequences of having destroyed our left we have no social force that reigns in the kind of the quiz it is a cumulative mentality that governs our corporations and explains why so few of them will do what you just said yeah germany is such a good example to bring up there and so many of their biggest companies have you know the workers that sit on the boards with these c.e.o.'s there's just not as much of a disconnect between them i was going to have you on richard wolfe author of the book occupy the economy challenging capital as them. well so these days whenever i go out to dinner or when i travel i never book a reservation until i check out a few things how's the food how's the service has the hotel had bedbugs before you know these are important things to find out right how many people who write in their reviews and leave their comments do so because they can remain anonymous some
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lawmakers in new york are pushing legislation to ban anonymity on the. big apple web sites if you want to comment you need to leave your name at your home address and your ip address even critical reviews of local businesses on yelp they want to do this because apparently some people have been too mean spirited especially when it comes to political attacks or to correspond on a saucer churkin it looks more into this. the internet is known for its abducted the lure of anonymity a meijer been certain speaking one's mind but some good things just don't last forever a couple of lawmakers in new york are advocating banning anonymous comments online what would this mean for the freedom of speech in the us and who would ever support let's find out always or really do oh my god come on now wait for you know we're just going to moderate imagine for a second that anonymity is banned on the internet what would happen if. they
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happen to be possible they go to other units of some of the citizens of and. if it's someone like. whose name he won't tell you it depends on the type of anonymous comment i don't think anybody should have to hide if ever say what do you think would happen to the people out there on the line of anonymously were banned or good from doing anything on what happened that maybe if you couldn't be anonymous online anymore and everybody knew who you are when he left home it would have to hide universal. so i hide in the bushes. going in the bushes while the mastermind behind the band fights preventing cyber bullying as their motive the idea has been reason eyebrows shot web users say not only will the internet sees her exist as it is but the bad would also be in breach of the us constitution we'd end up like china and i mean that i admire them for a lot of things but there are respect for human rights and privacy
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a definite one of the it's just going to change the very nature of the internet i mean anonymous comments are what keeps a lot of people honest lot of people wouldn't speak their mind. yes some bad things are posted by people who are anonymous but at the same time it's sort of like limiting free speech if you do that most people really don't care what they do and whether or not they do it anonymously the overwhelming majority of new yorkers. dr it's a. new york. and to talk a little more about this deal and the legislation we brought in t.j. walker a news commentator and c.e.o. of media training worldwide take a look. well don't blame that on whole new yorkers most of us don't want this this is absurd these politicians need to develop a thick skin you know anyone who's in public life anyone who gives opinions on the internet they've got to be ready for criticism i get nasty comments every day
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people say they hate my beady eyes they say they care i got to live with it it's tough when you're going to limit the first amendment to the constitution you better have a good reason and shouting fire in a full theater that's a good reason national security or threatening to kill a high public official that's a good reason but just because i might have my feelings hurt not a good reason yeah you know last time i checked i mean you mention the first amendment that's been around forever guess what we're also living in a post to citizens united era we're not only can you say mean things about political candidates according to the supreme court and do so and honestly you can also give as much money as you want and also remain anonymous i guess i'm just wondering how would these you know local lawmakers think that they can even get away with this. well my suspicion is they're just trying to play with some of their detractors they're trying to send a chill up their spine it'll really think this will pass they certainly don't think
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this would pass constitutional muster in the court system but they're doing it to intimidate. it's not going to have an impact something tells me these politicians are going to be trashed even more anonymously and by people who put their names i mean i always put my name when i'm criticizing someone of the internet but that's just me i have a big ego i want credit for people who want privacy they deserve it and in america you have the right to be nasty that's the bottom line and i we should say it is all across america but and it's not just new york where they're trying to sort of push back on this in idaho a local republican party official is suing a commentator on a newspaper website trying to force that newspaper the idaho spokesman review to not only turn over the comics commentators information but also to turn over the information on people who left comments on the article talk a little bit about this and i think that goes along the lines of what you said about people need to have
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a thicker skin but what's the reaction here. well it's chilling it should scare anyone who cares about freedoms but we've seen this before in america let's not forget all the court battles that oprah winfrey had to go through just because she said she didn't like hamburger and that's the reason we have dr phil around today is that court case so every so often there are politicians who abuse their power to protect their little feelings or the feelings of some powerful interest group by shutting down people's ability to communicate but in the long run it never works where you think about one of the people that honest us interviewed in her piece you know said something smart he said it because people can remain anonymous on the internet it helps them remain honest i mean how many times do we read you know an article in the new york times or the washington post where it's you know an unnamed official who gave this comment but even when it comes to restaurant reviews i mean maybe there's an employee at the restaurant who
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has inside secrets the people in the kitchen are spitting in the food they're not going to tell people and leave their name but they're going to tell people nonetheless what do you think about this notion that you know honesty equals anonymity. well sometimes anonymity helps people who want to be honest but that's not why we have freedom of speech that's not why there's a constitutional protection against limiting speech it's simply a right of americans to say what they want because i would argue for every one really honest comment that came out because someone had anonymity there's probably a thousand where people are just making obscene nasty vicious comments i mean i get it every day i'm sure you do to someone here's a political opinion they don't like they instantly want to question your sexuality now that's not a good thing but we have to make sure that the solution is worse than the problem i think that's a really good point. tom to me about what you think i mean now i don't know how
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likely it is that this bill would pass in new york but what do you think would be the implications if it did pass. i don't think it's going to pass if it does either gets vetoed by the governor or have it's not vetoed by the governor i think it gets struck down by a lower court if it doesn't it will be struck down by the supreme court so as a practical matter i don't think this is going to have that impact but it doesn't mean people who care about civil liberties and press freedoms shouldn't take it seriously now i mean what do you think i know when you're in your line of work you're you're in the media you know what's the answer to these for these people who you know are having their feelings hurt i mean maybe the isn't there a media strategy for them to come back yes i have a perfectly good strategy i use it every day because i have thousands of videos on the internet and columns post it is as you and many of your colleagues do and here's the thing the second i read someone saying you know t.j.
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you're so ugly that. i just stop reading and you know what it doesn't hurt i've yet to have anyone come to my door and threaten violence just because they wrote something nasty they don't think they want to say i'm really ugly i don't think it's true but you know what to them it's true they should have the right to say that yeah i mean on the on the opposite end of this a lot of people say you know there's the fear that you know for new businesses for example that the competing businesses will start leaving negative comments on the website but it's one of those things that i think over time you know word of mouth and the truth usually comes out right. if people do catch on to that you can snuff it out and if you are a business i mean there's nothing prevents preventing someone whispering to their friends hey don't go to this are we going to patrol the streets to see what people are whispering to their friends at some point you have to say the government just
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can't solve every problem in the world we've got kids who can't read and we've got a massive obesity problem with what people want to say about others is just not something we can government attention focusing on very good point there t.j. walker news commentator and c.e.o. of media training rolled wide in our new york studio thanks so much thank you thanks love. so i don't r.t. all you smith scots and jones is better watch out a common last name could land you on a terror watch list thank you travelling all the more difficult i'll tell you why the t.s.a. is kicking innocent americans off life without reason back in a minute. but in the alone or so they'll get the real headlines with none of them are the problem with the mainstream media today is that they're completely disconnected from the viewers and from what actually matters to those viewers and so that's why young people just don't watch t.v.
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anymore if they want news they go online and read it but we're trying to take those stories that people actually care about and transfer them back to t.v. . r t is the state run english speaking russian channel it's kind of like. russia today has an extremely confrontational stance when it comes to us. might surprise you to learn that there are more than four hundred thousand people on the consolidated terror watch lists there are also six thousand people on the no fly list that means a forget the government most likely probably watching over you it means you are prohibited from getting on a plane from traveling as you book
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a flight to her business conference are you getting ready for a long overdue vacation too bad because if you're on the list you're not going anywhere now of course this makes sense but what many people are trying to make sense of is why they are being punished for having the same or even a similar name as someone else deemed unfit to fly for more on these no fly list mishaps i spoke earlier with jonathan corbett president of for ten technologies here's his take. so. i mean there's been a lot of organizations that have tried to estimate who's on the no fly there struck a lot of different sources of threat the member of a separate disturb it tends to one of the problems with the no fly list is that it's going to very secret if you suspect that you're on the no plan list you can you can appeal that decision but they won't actually confirm whether or not you're on the no fly list so so right now we don't actually know exactly how many people have it but we do know that a lot of people at the shoot where they got to an airport and been told they're on
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a no fly list just but obviously having no connection to terrorism i know that you have been a staunch opponent to the t.s.a. i know you've even illustrated how people can sneak bad or dangerous items onboard what do you think are some of the most public problematic things about what we're seeing now with the t.s.a. . as far as the no fly list goes the most problematic saying is that there's there's no accountability so what the government essentially state is that these people that are going to are so dangerous that they can't be put in an airplane but not dangerous enough to be arrested on terrorism charges they just . about as i have a people that in this there's essentially no due process and people are being punished for some kind of this mission of terrorism what's out any kind of concrete evidence that would result in their arrest and sometimes as we said you know that just simply means you know they have a common name a name of somebody else on the list what can we do about this jonathan i sort of
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you know naming our children and changing our names to something very unique. i mean you could probably raise the name slightly differently and get past a little automated systems but in the end we need a change from congress on this one idea of a get a list of people that are that are so dangerous they can't fight a plane but not be understood up take into custody is just absolutely absurd it's an interesting idea just think of it as something that came after nine eleven. but in reality and in practice it's just something that doesn't work it's just so interesting i mean as you say after nine eleven you know of course everything changed but this is something that seems that was such a major shift and so dramatic just gathering up all these names making all these lists you know these separate things to what extent do you think and perhaps we'll never really know the answer to this but to what extent do you think this has made us safer. to no extent it all just stated an organized terrorist group can create
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a fake identity or you could enter the case you document fake international cast court with a different name and go through with that different is just absurd and the bottom line is if we know who the terrorists are and we need to go and get them we don't need to put them on a no fly list we need to actually stop the terrorism from happening. it just it's just a ridiculous. thing that ends up in staring us were intentionally names out a list but but really have no terrorism connections and people that are just instantly caught up in this that the t.s.a. is. really the f.b.i. runs the list have gone through some measures to the limit that it's matching which is why we now see our gender birth date being collected when we fly on an airplane and that's that's how to get some false positives out on the no fly list but even those who are intended to be on the no fly list still have not been been shown to have any terrorist connections through actual evidence that could be used in
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a court it's also very difficult to dispute your status honest mistake if you dispute it with the t.s.a. and they say sorry we can't help your next step is the courts but you actually don't have any evidence to bring to the courts they won't even admit that you're on the no fly list so it's it's a very very long uphill battle in the circuit court of appeals which is very expensive as well jonathan you use the word ridiculous i want to play something really quick that a lot of people have found strange if not ridiculous it happened tuesday night at the airport in fort lauderdale brianna and her parents had just boarded a jet blue flight they were heading home to new jersey they say that's when a jet blue employee told them they had to get off the plane and i said why and he said well it's not you or your husband and your daughter was mine as no fly i said excuse me. so as his little girl a toddler was actually flagged on this list and they couldn't fly because of that i mean when you look at that. well i mean that's the soon to be a parent there are
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a few of them go whoa that's you're not issued a boarding pass so we did jet blue forgot to check that no fly list for sure but i think they were on some other kind of list. really what the reason but again much that's the problem this is that people are being told that they can't fly and are not being told well it's certainly seems that there are some major holes in the system here jonathan corbett president of for ten technologies appreciate you being on today. well we all remember that hot fresh face that burned burst onto the political scene back in two thousand and eight now i'm not talking about then senator barack obama but maybe this will jog your memory you. desire to. amberley and injure became a viral star with her obama girl videos praising brock's candidacy well it appears
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she's no obama girl anymore and recent days she's been telling reporters she's just not that excited about the twenty twelve presidential race we had her here on our t.v. back in january of two thousand and ten she said she was having a hard time keeping her crush on the president i would have to say the crush died down a little bit a little bit but i do have to remind people to crush wasn't that kind of crush the video we did was comedy satire music video and yes i won't take it away from him he got me and everyone else really excited by his message and it's hope for change i think he didn't give changes quickly as we're all hoping for but i didn't lose complete faith in him so is am really enjoy going to vote for president obama in november or will she switched to team mitt romney and we'll be asking her tomorrow and she joins us here on r.t. at four pm eastern and for now that's going to do it but for more on the stories we covered go to youtube dot com slash r t america which i got away.

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