first sounded small proclaiming solving the u.s.s.r. was agonizing by that time and collapsed very soon opening a new face in history my guest on the show today is the ballad who watched the process from the inside former deputy national supreme council said again. it early ninety's was a very tough time for russia and its former u.s.s.r. allies gorbachev's perestroika led to a huge economic and political crisis resulted in the collapse of the largest country in the world the final decision was made in december of ninety ninety one during one of the russia supreme council sessions conservative nationalists are good but poor it was one of the pew people's deputies to build against the soviets dissolution in the new russian stages staunchly opposed the new government and many of its reforms mr created several political parties and was elected to parliament

three times. though mr boren and welcome to the show. on june to twelve so we celebrate russia today commemorating russia's state sovereignty declaration that you were a member of parliament back then the very problem and adopted the declaration. what was the essence of the declaration as saying at the time and why is that today's russians often referred to june twelfth as the dependence day. but i wasn't just a member of parliament i was one of the people who are rude the declaration and from where i'm standing so bringing independence teaching or even russia doing on june the twelfth outright ridiculous. it doesn't it seem strange to me. it is absurd as the purpose of the declaration was to try to find a balance of competencies between new soviet union and russia as its constituent

republic. those who think the declaration was strickly but independence is not actually read it. so you don't realize that it's key point was to establish the russian soviet federative socialist republic which is as a legal state within the soviet union. and leo and indivisible state that hilton's go. to the us and was aiming to prevent a split up of russia certainly the declaration was a bundle of contradictions or rather compromises upon my initiative edited out at birth vision that would extend to soviet autonomy says the same right of sovereignty that russia had several years after that i was the worst enemy of the autonomy having deprived them of state sovereignty but i wasn't due in iraq sure

for the amendment but the report sure prudently nouns that a comment was reserved in this issue for serbia but yeltsin back my motion at the time and the provision was removed so you literally preserved russia in its present borders otherwise it would have been torn into pieces just like the soviet union but the declaration was supposed to consolidate the use or sar it actually stated bill suprema c.e.o. of union law and provided the constituent republics shall govern themselves will deem the legal boundaries set by a new union treaty unfortunately the situation unfolded in a different fashion in the declaration it is being used to break up the soviet union in fact that is why it is being celebrated today. twenty years after the twelfth of june became a national holiday in russia the attitude towards it it's still mixed here is this report from spotlights. or was simple and clear when the us is

saw the country's major national day was in memory of the great october socialist revolution which brought in than sorry steve rush hour. the communist ideology never allowed to question the supremum porton so the event but seventy five years later with the collapse of the soviet union the new democratic russia found itself in need of another big national reason to celebrate the new russian leader. came up with one in one thousand nine hundred two. traduced on the twelfth of june was initially the day of the adoption of the declaration of the state sovereignty of russia however in forming the name it was quickly shortened by the public to independence day no one could tell from whom exactly the country got independent moreover many question the event chosen for celebration as it was just one of many

steps in the from asian post soviet russia finally in one thousand name to eight the holy day god its current name day of russia according to all who carried out by live by the center last year only forty percent of russians knew what exactly they celebrate on june twelfth seven years ago yet another big national holiday was established people's unit today it commemorates the popular uprising which expelled foolishly through any and occupation forces from moscow when sixteen twelve celebrated on the fourth of november however it also reminds the older generation of the usual november seventh the day of the great at the top a socialist revolution. on the day the declaration was adopted could you imagine that. ceased to exist and russia would become its legal successor. i dear see the same piece at the time could see it coming

you either in their tree or their nightmares. reached by you pressing for a tooth a good way here is doing school. no he wasn't i'm convinced that yeltsin was not a destroyer in his initial aspirations he's in was power he was ready to destroy only something that was in his way in seizing power. and the so called periodic opposition made a mistake. retargeted. from breaking up the soviet union toured. it as a leader. but. many would disagree they see this split up of the u.s.s.r. as hiltons way of ascending to power he is and of then it is of other republics. that is what the belive as accords were worth but by then he also and had exhausted

his options for ousting poor but taking his office following the coup of all this one thousand nine hundred on ukraine openly defied a yeltsin and other republics ditched him not russia but yet since the government has prompted him to cling on to russia he is the only fiefdom availabilities what road did the declaration of sovereignty eventually play in russia's transform ation in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine to one of. which is good no single event should be evaluated separately from its context at the units appear in mind at the declaration but it was russia's response to national soaring to declarations by the baltic republics armenia moldova and so on it. was the russian parliament tyrian so we are seeing we have some rights to you know how

come it's just you demanding something in like we owe you. you know we're all in this together or we should all pay our bills it would be nice don't mutual interest . it was a kind of shock therapy that could play a positive role which would actually did it you know nine hundred ninety seven when all the other republics conceded to negotiate with russia they were surprised to see a russian merges a standalone actor in parallel to the soviet union unfortunately this opportunity was wasted and once the new union treaty got stoled the gorbachev team had turned around and hijacked the treaty initiative then emasculated it says since august nine hundred ninety eight the proposal is dead there's something i want to tell you if it wasn't for the august one thousand and one the soviet union would have formally ceased to exist on august twentieth one thousand nine hundred one supposed

to be signed and that is what the bell sought to prevent they didn't make it and there thalia eventually accelerated the collapse of school but at least they managed to prolong the agony of the us a sora tool december ninety nine to one. you could be described as a veteran and parliamentarian but several terms in parliament this is russia's second state to mid term while you are not a member of parliament was that. just like to tell you the truth i didn't even run in the last parliamentary election. i had collaborated with a few political parties in forming a popular collison but i wound up first treated having lost faith in the election system in its present form. i believe it's time for a constitutional change. we need to prevent the public from losing respect for the government. we need. real political

competition today which is good but so what if. a new law is about to come into effect in russia liberalized a registration procedure for political parties does this mean that you'll russian popular union will also get residence to. act we've already applied for registration oh so you. and we are planning to make a comeback in politics as a conservative and traditionalist party. so you support this new law then yes well i believe it is insufficient but it's still good. it is much more important that we should ensure equal campaign opportunities in a fairly cold country but otherwise all the new point is will be nothing more than dressing meskin a good old if you're

a critic system whose legacy dates back to the soviet times says bob would inform the deputy russian food critic council and leader that russian people. would be back shortly afterward to. take a break so stay with. it are sometimes you see a story and it seems so for life you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture .

welcome back to squat live i'm going over in just a reminder that my guest on the show today is said again probably deputy in the

russian supreme council and the leader of the russian peoples in the end. has been but with mr boringly you said you had already submitted a paper work to register your union as a political party that party when do you say would be a both to nominate your candidates for elections at various levels. we may take part in elections or soon as we receive our registration certificate and complete our reorganizational we differing from the new parties that were organized after president medvedev still has a past we began to form our party even before him of that first mentioned the. change in the procedure state of the union address last december we have been there for the past twenty years first as an end to you know then as a political party then again as

a popular movement and being disappointed with the parliamentary election of two thousand and eleven and the way it was organized we held a convention and decided to we wouldn't we war you know political party. some people see they knew about the coming reform before hand but actual of course it was a coincidence but would you wish that any way we would go in the same direction with the political reforms in effect we are slightly ahead as regards the timeline and we hope to take part in regional elections this fall. this fall so soon ok. a few minutes ago you said you were not existing political system. and many interpret the protests took place in moscow and a few other cities last winter but as an indication knew that i was society

i would grow way and. political system. i. agree he even though. he's alexander this is their royal we're keeshan when i threw a greek. because our society has really outgrew its old clothes so to speak. we need to take a fresh look at our situation. it is absurd to dismiss those protests as instigated by the cia or by politicians. many of my friends at chile attended those release from the very start not because they love people like us ya know it's all for. them they did it to express their personal protest. why don't you say you fully agree but the people who

tended those protests are not exactly the kind of people you rely on. your social base. you'll be surprised what bother tom the second relative place i was there and by the time know the real him pushkin square i was already on the platform and trusting the crowd together with. many others. even though this doesn't mean we're friends. but there are values that people should have in common him regardless of their political views these include critique procedures genuine and fair elections. but when you. once we make it into the new parliament we can have our disputes in arguments dear but at this point we can't. tamper with people's votes. we all must put up a common front against that. and there was one more thing

i want to say but perhaps a was the only speaker on pushkin square who did not mention. i think that the slogan russia without putin is quite naive. so i think russia still needs putin in order to carry out this constitutional reform. if. i'm sorry in other words he's saying that to russia revolutions and reforms should be initiated at the top and. at this point all we can do at the top is let the steam otherwise the more lower will burst at the bottom all conditions are there. yes it's saying you're aware of this it is the kremlin aware of this i don't think so not yet but why then do you go to put in if you're saying he doesn't say this to you i vote for it just said russia needs him i said that unlike other protesters i think he can still be useful. but you think he does not understand the people on

the streets i strongly believe that there is no point in replacing the person in charge without changing the system do you really think someone from our opposition leaders will. cut for good we should break way from this legacy of communist party in iraq or see. reforms were to change the system but unfortunately bureaucracy reduced it so from the largest kilometer yeltsin. the bureaucratic system has survived became even stronger it seems most of the property in russia. this is what we have. to fight against yes we need to dismount a list system otherwise there will be no fair elections then next hundred g.'s will surely fund the wrong or right but i think that. still has the potential to change

the system. to use a victim of the system even though he heads it. so let's hope he sees that. which in this part of the system. i'm not quite happy with what he's doing with the new government and some other things. but i still have hope for him. you're criticizing the government it's understandable but on the other hand to many in the country including bill surratt is criticize you know i do is somewhat nationalist and many people are afraid of nationalism what alter nationalism is regarded perhaps as the biggest threat in russia off to terrorism what's your take on. you know first off this card is played by those who want to use ethnic tensions in order to bring russia down. who by the way these people use

a double standard they condemn nationalism when talking about russia but their views are different actually when they talk about their own countries at least ninety percent of the western politicians are nationalists they see the love their nation their say do you want to protect their nation's interests why should russians be any different to soon as we call ourselves russians they almost accuse are still being anti-semitic even if we don't say a word about two years. into them the very word russians is inappropriate so i urge everybody both liberals and even many peter it's to get their alexa construed and stop confusing nationalism. with shall the news someone is no heat other people or is uniformed dick you're selfish as a nation we should condemn the weak but loving your country is different it is something every nation needs in order to survive and this is proper nationalism

conservative and balanced nationalism. some say that liberalization of politics especially in a country like russia will inevitably propel nationalists and even ultra nationalists to power. it's not true what liberalization may do is create. that's why i say that what we need is more order more freedom. what we need is truly fear elections to be i agree that if the initial stage the smi provide a boost for conservative forces. but you have to realize that you ethnic nationalists more sas is much. ellie and to russian society. but they do exist don't say. these are all given in then it to keep people in

fear. but we all have seen people marching on the streets mistrust. and i have seen those people getting paid for doing all that. time i was deputy speaker's office to do the people's union speech to russia more in this i was standing on the platform i saw foreign correspondents who asked a group of young people facing them not even facing the platform. there you go for you to claim this foreign correspondents who staged protests in moscow no no no i mean he just came across those young people to damage slike a russian which. they think russia must have facets. they can't comprehend that fascism is a very enticing russian ideology a week so i dressed those young people right from the platform i said what are you doing guy what are you going to do with the money you are discrediting the patriotic forces unfortunately will always have provocative. i'm convinced today

more provoke interests in one thousand nine hundred three when the president yeltsin ordered to troops to storm the parliament building those provocative words shot in the back both those defending the parliament and those who are storming it that they were provoked tourists in one thousand and two one. they are the ones who incited ethnic conflicts in the corner and other places i have no doubt that they had a hand even in their recent trailers in moscow. this just means that people who want to destroy russia are getting ready for changes and i want you through words to get ready for changes to not by dispersing the protesters but by realizing what is happening in society. in other words you believe there is no nationalism all fascism new russia today to the extent that it would pose

a threat to the system. i believe we should stop viewing nationalism as a threat or. nationalism means hope that people like patriotism you mean exactly because nationalism should not be ethnic and nation is more than just an atheist group it is a combination of ethnic groups that form one culture one civilization every country needs discussion of nationalism to survive spicy about thank you thank you very much for being with us and just a reminder that my guest on the show today was a politician said again. and that's it for now from all of us here if you want to add to your sound spotlight or have someone in mind. good male line at. the back with more. going on and outside russia stay on our.

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