talking about how much they care about the women of afghanistan it's true they don't care about the women of afghanistan. exactly. that he said to hear more tough talk at the gathering the world's twenty president putin pledged to prevent a civil war and that syrians decide their own fate and also promise to continue dialogue on america's missile shield in europe. and russia denies any ships are set sail for syria as a media frenzy accuses moscow of carrying weapons to the war torn country by sea. and. revolutionary square we'll bring you live pictures from there the moment. the muslim brotherhood protest against the military's grip on power is in the midst

who claim their candidate won the presidential runoff saying the generals are going to step aside as expected. with a news team with more on their stories for in half an hour from now in the meantime songes back in r.t. with his controversial program and this time the interview is a man who wants to change pakistan from within and bring about a peaceful end to the long running afghan war that's next on r.t. . you know his secret lover touring the gym kirby was able to build a new most sophisticated robot which all unfortunately doesn't give a darn about anything tim's mission to teach music creation why it should care about humans and we're going this is why you should care what you're only on dot

com. i'm julian assignment. editor of wiki leaks web expose the world secrets these documents belong the united states government being attacked by the powerful united states strongly condemn the said quote after quote people illegally shoot five hundred days now i've been detained without charge but that hasn't stopped us. today we're on a quest for revolutionary ideas that can change the world tomorrow. from humble origins my next guest imran khan became a household name as captain of pakistan's victorious cricket team he then left sports and launched his movement for justice party in the most dangerous political environment on a. four years can anti corruption party was ignored in two thousand and seven us state department cables referred to him as pakistan's one man party. but pakistan

is changing fast over the last two years widespread anger over u.s. drone strikes and corrupt political dynasties has proven millions to his cause i want to know why is he now front runner to be the next leader of pakistan. hi julian. i'm all right i have a bit of a cold but i think that's a good thing because my voice is a bit sexier than normal and i have to go basically. i didn't get them interesting as it were to having a very interesting time well i think your interesting time is a bit more interesting than my interesting time i saw these videos of your rallies last night so i think this is great but i worry you're going to get blown up. so i hope your interesting time doesn't get any more into this didn't you go to go sometime yeah the second of those are some of them just. like i mean i was you know

when i said i was gus hospital so i used to see as you could but it got me going in six months later they were gone so i have a completely different attitude to life and you're not around for long so you might as well make the most of it. you don't realize it back to. the wiki leaks mid not just. let me let me pour you a rare broken up for some reason where we're just lost you for a minute ok you're you're back again. back to me and all of the world but by the sun the wind the explode all of these two faces one additions you know who was sucking up to the american in the same. and brave and telling them how great they were. you know sucking up to them and public giving completely opposites to it was a rare specially this one really just this guy. who was declaring leads this

religious logic and he literally doing the medic and he said look if you back need to become the prime minister i would never want to do. and he's considered the most candid american politician here so he was it was a. it really exposed a lot of people who. saw him run can you describe what what are the big power factions in pakistan is the i.s.i. the army is the supreme court the old families how would you describe the basic power structure of pakistan. well the babyland by just done just like in the middle east is above us just fall and then still stiff the school what you call the boss factor benefiting from the system and the majority of the population want to change it so what you see in the middle east is exactly abyss but as the west looks upon muslim societies and there's some war going on within fundamentalist and liberals

islam and fundamentalists their brothers actually and this is really the divided up in the muslim world which is why everyone looks surprised by the arab spring and by is the one with the following i have been are is the same much the same people who are going to go to the middle east people who want to get james and his disposal now what does this do just one focused on we have a political mafia else all of the political parties have not got together against being so they have sort of this is a desert this is a good sign of the caucus as a good sign is that iran that if people are gathering around to oppose you very very must be scared. oh maybe five because the last time and by the sun we saw red is as big as the doing to god one of. the lot and one of the girl she was forty years ago was a little girl you would do the father don't be uneasy and when that's these sort of

the numbers don't know where the election he just went and he was an underdog and the statistical bodies. so that's what counts kid we research the wiki leaks cables from islamabad to see what they said about you and in two thousand and seven the us ambassador said. who's p.t.i. party is effectively a one man show has little to lose his credibility rests in his soul created role as a politician he sticks to his principles and he's popular with the pakistani intelligence here and elements of diaspora but has never been able to turn his starring role as captain of pakistan's only team to really win the international cricket championship into an effective political party that's obviously changed now what's happened in the last few months with julian what happened was that.

the media. from hostile fire on words we suddenly had. the friesian of independent television jones. the most. the most watched programs begin to fear programs so the just if you watch the television it's like having read jeremy bags one don't give you you have. these these guys have become the women moves like jury votes and you will have one on the mean one of all the journals and. where you would for instance have a big brother in england or some sort of rug here don't even want to watch don't interfere programs. such as the desire. to understand the political situation of people such as the interest that the diamond did they had the highest viewership

it's a what's happened in the past six months i mean there's really been a tremendous rise the opinion polls by bread have your popular support at something between sixty to eighty percent. of the pakistani population perhaps you can describe this. how your party has grown in size and momentum and what's it like in the for you try to manage this incredibly fast growing organization first of all of what go to elections in two thousand and eight. because you know these elect the elections bug manipulated by the bush administration big group to deal between with cher and bill this is with all of the corruption cases blood and not only the other crooked politicians they were given an amnesty by a shark and this was the deal brokered by the americans and it was the end not all nationally can see this ordinance so in the name of reagan solution the americans

got it was sheriff and been sued together and got all these are a case in the latest book drives were due dates above that whole bushkill were about on the back when she got them together and some of. the suits so i and along with a lot of the by just boycotted the election. because we've for the supposedly boring. for a while wake up and go on because we stood up and actions and then as the governments began to mess up because once the guerrillas came to buy our corruption broke all records and biased nationally because when you have a lot of big government of like us and such as the way it was doug remembering that i want everyone when i was what voting the election that this election is a disease is going to be a disaster for the people of bias the one it's only meant for the bush

administration to have the public wonder who. was sure it was struggling so you would like to go there wanted another puppet government so they could pursue this war on terror without a lot of them was bombing on europe and so on so whatever i was saying and went to the root of the war on terror was has been devastated by this all of because for two thousand and one despite his have been killed in a war we have nothing to do we're up busy our own army killing on a limb and then get it then doing suicide notes on the us that is evidence and can be done again at the cost of seventy billion dollars of this war totally it has been less than twenty billion so all i was able of these things and secondly it was . just resonated with the big and almost two years ago mike that graph started going up as though says the bigger that is the whole lot of people see this james. we are seeing not politicians rushing to me so people who are electable is

realizing that the war banner not belongs to me and i'm going to do and i heard that even even musharaff tried to say to you. you you pm me president. well there you see bush or. does not understand what's happening in pakistan because he's outside is all over you know politics is on the face book he doesn't realize that on the ground and biased on the situation is is completely different number one he'll be the biggest liability to get i like to. do it he's responsible for the mess he's responsible for this is a record corruption because he's the one to give them amnesty the good of the good of the lord in the world i've given is given amnesty and that outcome just elections again and then get into bomb on and secondly this war on terror so he's

responsible if you look at say the soviet union which also had a lot of corruption for people said well that. well at least the black market is a market. so you're going to have some kind of trading it helps you get around regulations which are impeding business. what is the problem with corruption in pakistan why is why is corruption bad for pakistan just to give you know the statistics then you're not going to i am history of sixty years the total debt if you believed by bikes son is about was fighting it in just four years the debt has gone up from problems by politically. so we had. to to service our debts so out of one point eight trillion. debt servicing is eight hundred billion harvard goes to debt service and six hundred billion goes

to before the army how do they leave the million people who have two hundred million to be used as a liberal so clearly the ganges and why so that in itself russia could still go on and gives a bias on we're looking at the atlas we're looking at. us going down the drain the country is heading towards complete chaos we don't have the money to the run the country and at the moment load shedding we don't have money to buy and you do. not buy our generation so because we get a lot of buy food for up large initial of the government are there's almost fourteen hours notice you did there's no electricity for fourteen hours a day. and and the corruption in pakistan the tax evasion

is one thing but the the stealing of money from the treasury how much of that ends are back in pakistan i just taking from the poor of the middle class and transferring it to the rich in pakistan versus how much of the money is taken out of pakistan and stashed into london banks or stashed into swiss banks or u.s. companies. so do things number one because we do not have money to bear for to get finest oil for our generation the country is having lordship and this is the electricity for fourteen to fifteen hours and it did eighteen hours in the rural areas. that would mean the farmers don't run on their. to do worse to water their crops that means factories and industries are closing down there because there's massive unemployment and of inflation so that's one aspect of corruption the second is it that it was sort of this money ends up and this was

a dance of the dog wasn't the only political leader in the middest money are slightly biased on and i have everything in by you stand in mine and apart from more particularly this head of political bodies there have been guns and brought their properties abroad and this is not declared so all of this money most of this money ends and that the country let's move on to the u.s. . tell me about this assassination of osama bin laden in pakistan what was the feeling in pakistan that the i.s.i. was hiding this i would get a lot of that there in confidence why. was a solid bin laden in pakistan and you know what you must understand is that some of bin laden was trained by the highest and cia. did warlow adam were trained by the cia and i.s.i. about twenty years back so this is this is these people were assets of by this time

on. their woodridge by the bogus and i mean the i.s.i. financed by this yeah but they were fighting the soviets and for a long time these groups had very close association with the bogus unsecured agencies now suddenly come as no new member and you do a lot of the leading degrees does i mean we showed us a hundred eighty degrees to. but it didn't mean that all along the way people would have accepted this because here what people are trained for jihad our job and this is in this just means fighting a foreign occupation so our view of the can miss them having indoctrinating not only. these militant groups but also your own intimacies that they're fighting foreign occupation is it is a religious duty very very some subset in the i.s.i.

some people perhaps who are dealt with him in the past who are still loyal as goes people who would have thought that if i do another foreign occupation which is now the worst is also religious duty of course if it's possible as it is there a feeling that the u.s. is helping our clean out militants in pakistan or is there a feeling that it's a violation of pakistani sovereignty and this was the ultimate humiliation. it was a gun free which is a bad omen to most about thirty five thousand people dead fighting and there are those war. and as i said the country of lost. in terms of what do you lost those then the gate given to us and the government was the figure to seventy billion dollars is going to billion so this war isn't going to the supposed to be second posing for the u.s. and they're not and i did not trust us and actually game and kill someone on our

own soil it wasn't that at all factors combine in the sacrifice and secondly here's an ad that would be about your friend and so forget about what the government on i'm done with the people of the country who didn't know what was going on because it. was the it was being abused the way to get them or europe all by the way because of this either they were involved in goods but what about the people so good that there was a definitive in there was a very strong reaction born of the feeling of humiliation and to do think that you know that the us argue that so and bin ladin is a terrorist responsible for the deaths of many americans so thank our rights to go in and take him out i'm saying is that. war on terror is the law is somehow the confusion is that to win the war on terror by bombs and. you know

killing people actually want to has one when you win hearts and minds of people if you lose the war this is that that is the word this is going to end i mean by this time as well radicalized did that it was eight years back by this time and this blogger is today it's a polarized society than it was eight years ago whatever we do military this is not a solution we have. for eight years the americans if even for eleven years but what are we going to do now what is different and as i understand said madness is doing this if you go over and over again and expecting a different result it's not going to happen there's no military solution only ways political solution by the. bottom the political solution we do not have politicians look you will all get a bit of both so you need elections a good bit of government hope for the osce we'll start a political dialogue help the americans in an exit strategy from

a lot of start to see we are out of those. we discovered a cable in two thousand and nine from the islamabad embassy. prime minister of. interior minister mal ak went into the embassy and offered to share an address that is the voting record system for voters in pakistan and a front company was set up in the united kingdom international identity services which was hired as the consultants on that drive to squirrel out. the. fall of pakistan its it seems to me that that is a theft of some national treasure of pakistan the entire pakistani

database registry office people. judy it's so shameful. you know never has a country's ruling elite for personal benefits never had to betray to people as much as this elite and it was shut up and the currently. not only have done as they have been just number of people who have disappeared by just. on suspicion of terrorism they were biased i mean these people from by just any sort of handle would do the americans on this mission of of of them being involved in some terrorist and people have disappeared. people that in the minute it suspects up and limited to troop drawdowns. and not only suspect their wives the children it was a deliberate it never has it been any wording in what these people are innocent or

not new country has ever been but it's one and out as we are being moments country as i said is the bullshit bit of my history never has a country that willingly betrayed its people saw the light at the start intruding elite and subversive benefits because a lot of their band comes across their money laying abroad and guess what the americans go on about guns they do believe only so to know from you how how would you reconfigure their pakistan relationship with the united states were going to be a complete severance what would you commit drone strikes what kind of intelligence cooperation of what what would you do in practice. have a relationship based on the dignity self-respect. so it should be a relationship like the u.s. as with india it should not be a relationship with master lucian to anyone who was there but instead as

a hired gun big bill to do a killer it doesn't is it started civilization shit that is feed it's now delivered to the people above is done why has it delivered to the americans the only thing that the americans should be doorless the lot of there will be blood there is a promise but you can only do that if you loan the perceive to be a student of the americans or you're going to come and get and then deal with terrorists or at the moment the generous or the militants have declared jihad against my views on government so they are given a song as an a and i end up with these guys saying that these are the advantages of management so the woman should pull out of this war this jobs the will of the job because we then and are sifting through the end of me this is it within our borders and then only can be gotten to that it will be not generous and from us and so

therefore the number one step has to be pulled out it was a lot laurie we become a sovereign independent state and the relationship with the us should be of dignity and self-respect no longer the. last relationship you know your you give a good description of how the war on terror in pakistan has been counterproductive it's created a miti towards the pakistani government thirty five thousand to forty five thousand pakistanis have lost their lives why do you think the united states pursues its agenda its during drone strikes in pakistan if if the us ambassador even is writing back saying that it's counterproductive what is the driving forces from the us. well julian i think it's because of the the just like us the policy in us is being driven by a budget and it's the it's the army people who are broke it was close because only

the military people always think of military solutions if you look at it here and you listen to i think it was a general magnum r r r i just remember a lot of dough and him well they're all saying we're back and it's sixty's that we've done the corner we're about to win the war of a few moments a few more moments and this will do the trick so the generals always think like that. one final question iran. have you met a.q. . and what do you think about the father of the pakistani nuclear bomb. i've made a clone of you know. there's a lot of pieces in the book a couple of years back but i'm going to the twenty years because he'd give the first edition to when i started building the gansa hospital he was the one going

forward first. here's a hero of his is. here washington by the sun because if i was in the news of the one it was someone there was security in other words. the same reason given by the israelis that they needed the bomb because this owner of. hostile neighbors is ascendant by the sun before she was with india which is seven times the size of my guest on and there's a lot of the security in the country and this is a guy who's supposed to have secured us so from their point of view he's here watchful like. what i think of him but i don't really nor was he in war and this is proliferation on not on the good ones of you why don't. you know by the americans and we share over the others into my room so that we see that logo ready to. give all i want is that i never was along those no i didn't really know of it put it on television that it was avoided but he said he was forced by oneself to do

that so i do really believe the truth behind it julian buzz only i managed to do here i don't know diddly. for the world of it which has gotten you into a nuclear bombs. but at the moment there's the where the situation is. people will i don't hear this ever since we've had acquired nuclear weapons even though there's been a lot of tension and we've come close but there has been no war would be focused on india and before the nuclear weapon there were three wars so the people will argue from that point of view ok. thank you very much to i wish you all the best because i think you. what you did with we could be freedom of information is the move toward because we'll be easy to draw up by people who are going to wish. this is video and as i said i'm the biggest beneficiary there's going to be these

look seals would have just been through the mission like we would never have had johnson of coming to borrow so don't you think a little bit to say thank you good luck. six. weeks. three.