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country involving thousands of warships jets and tanks. well as julia sun just back on r t with this explosive shell and the star of the wiki leaks or interviews a man who wants to change pakistan from within and bring about a peaceful end to the long running afghan war. time julian assange. it is true of wiki leaks expose the world secrets these jackets belong united states government being attacked by the powerful united states strongly condemn us going after white people illegally shoot five hundred days now i've being detained without charge but that hasn't stopped us . today we are on

a quest for revolutionary ideas that can change the world tomorrow. from humble origins my next guest in run come became a household name as captain of pakistan's victorious cricket team he then left sports and launched his movement for justice party in the most dangerous political environment on a. four years can anti corruption party was ignored in two thousand and seven us state department cables referred to him as pakistan's one man party. but pakistan is changing fast over the last two years widespread anger over u.s. drone strikes and corrupt political dynasties has proven millions to his cause i want to know why is he now front runner to be the next leader of pakistan. julian. i'm all right i have a bit of a cold but i think that's a good thing because my voice is a bit sexier than normal and i have to go basically. just to sit

with you everybody just well i think your interesting time is a bit more interesting than my interesting time i saw these videos of your rallies last night so i think this is great but i worry you're going to get blowed up. so i hope your interesting time doesn't get any more it will do this for judy we're going to go sometime yeah the second of those are some of them just. like i mean i was you know when i set up this guy's hospital sized to see the. going in six months later they were gone so i have a completely different attitude to life and you're not around for long so you might as well make the most of it. you don't realize it back to. the wiki leaks mid not just. let me let me pour you a rare broken up for some reason where we're just lost you for a minute like

a you're you're back again. back the middle of the world but by the sun the with the exploded all of these two faces one additions you know who was sucking up to the american in the same. and brave and telling them how great they were. you know sucking up to them and public giving completely opposites to it was a rare especially this one really just this guy. who was declaring leads this religious logic and he literally doing the medic and he said look if you backed me to become the prime minister i would never want to do. and he's considered the most anti american politician and so he was it was a. it really exposed a lot of people who. saw him run can you describe what what are the big power factions in pakistan is the i.s.i.

the army is the supreme court the old families how would you describe the basic power structure of pakistan. well the babylon five just sign just like in the middle east is above us just fall and trans-jordan statistical what you call the boss dr benefited from the system and the was ordered to abolish and want to change it so what you see in the middle east is exactly this but as the west looks upon muslim societies and there's some war we want in fundamentalist and liberals islam fundamentalists their brothers actually and this is really the divided up in the muslim world which is why everyone looks surprised by the arab spring and by is the one with the following i have been are is the symptom of the same people who are going to go to the middle east people want to get james and his disposal now what does this do just one focused on we have political mafia else all of the political parties have not got together against me so they have sort of the this is

a desert this is a good some of them got this is a good sign is it iran that if people are gathering around to oppose you very very must be scared. oh maybe five because the last time by the sun we saw red is as big as the doing to god one of. the lot and one of the guy she was forty years ago was the girl you would call the father don't be uneasy and when that's these sort of the numbers don't know you swept the election he just went and he was an underdog and the stooges full bodies. so that's why difficult skin we researched the wiki leaks cables from islamabad to see what they said about you and in two thousand and seven the us ambassador said. who's p.t.i. party is effectively a one man show has little to lose his credibility rests in he so created role as

a politician he sticks to his principles and he's popular with the pakistani intelligence here and elements of diaspora but has never been able to turn his starring role as captain of pakistan's only team to really win the international cricket championship into an effective political party that's obviously changed now what's happened in the last few months with julian what happened was the. media. from above two thousand and five on words we suddenly had. the friesian of independent television jones. the most. the most watched programs begin to fail programs so today if you watch the television it's like having read jeremy bags one don't give

you the dot these these guys have become a billion moves like jury votes and you will have one on the mean one of all the journals and. where you would for instance have a big brother in england or some sort of grow up here don't even want to watch don't interfere programs. such as the desire. to understand the political situation of people's such as the interest that they owe them and there they have the highest viewership it's a what's happened in the past six months i mean there's really been a tremendous rise the opinion polls that i've read have your popular support at something between sixty to eighty percent. of the pakistani population perhaps you can describe this. how your party has grown in size and momentum and what's it like in you for you to try to manage this incredibly fast growing

organization was full of what go to elections in two thousand and eight. because you know these elect the elections bug manipulated by the bush administration big group to deal between we share and businesses with all of the corruption cases work and not only the other look at politicians they were given an amnesty by a shell and this was the deal brokered by the americans and it was the end not all nationally can see this ordinance so in the name of reading solution the americans got it was shut up and been sued together and got all these are a case in the latest book drive with due dates above that whole bush get were about on the back when she got them together and some of. the suits so i and along with a lot of the by just boycotted the election. because we've for the supposedly boring. for

a while make up went down because we stood up and actions and then as the governments began to mess up because once the good evidence came through by our good option group all reckless and biased nasty because when you have a lot of big government to close and such as the way it was doug remembering that i want everyone when i was worked out in the election that this election is a disease it's going to be a disaster for the people of i was the one it's only meant for the bush administration to have one who. was sure it was struggling so you would like to go they wanted another puppet government so they could pursue this war on terror without a lot of armed was going on in europe and saw. whatever i was saying and went through the roof the war on terror was has been devastated by this all of because for two thousand and one despite his had been killed in a war we had nothing to do word visit the our own army killing on eleven and then

get it then doing so so the notes on by us that this is evidence and they can be done again the cost of seventy billion dollars of this war totally it has been less than twenty billion so all i was able of these things and suddenly. it just resonated with the beeb and almost two years ago my gut grass started going up as though says the bigger that is the will of people see this james. we are seeing our politicians rushing to me so people who are electable is realizing that the banner not belongs to me and i'm going to do and i heard that even even musharaff tried to say to you. you you pm me president. well there you see bush or. does not understand what's happening in pakistan because he's outside is all over you know politics is on the

face but he doesn't realize that on the ground based on the situation is is completely different number one can be the biggest liability to get a load but number two he's responsible for the mess he's responsible for this is a record of corruption because he's the one to give them amnesty the good of the good of the new order in the world goodness given amnesty and then i can just elections again and then get into bomb on and secondly this war on to other cities responsible if you look at say the soviet union which also had a lot of corruption pretty paul said well that. while at least the black market is a market. so you're going to have some kind of trading it helps you get around regulations which are impeding business. what is the problem with corruption in pakistan why is why is corruption bad for pakistan just to give you know the statistics then i do not and i am history of sixty years the total debt you may

lead by bikes son is about was fighting it in just four years the debt has gone up from problems by closely. so we had. already. due to service our debts so if not of one point eight trillion. debt servicing is eight hundred billion harvard goes to debt service and six hundred billion goes to before the army how do they leave the million people who have two hundred million to be used as a livable so clearly the ganges on one so that in itself russia they could still go on and gives them. we're looking at the atlas we're looking at. us going down the drain the country is heading towards complete chaos

we don't have money to don't run the country and at the moment load shedding we don't have money to buy and you do. not buy our generation because we get a lot of buy food for a barge initial of the government are there's almost fourteen hours notice shipping there's no electricity for fourteen hours a day. and and the corruption in pakistan the tax evasion is one thing but the the stealing of money from the treasury how much of that ends are back in pakistan i was just taking from the poor the middle class and transferring it to the rich in pakistan versus how much of the money is taken out of pakistan and stashed into london banks or stashed into swiss banks or u.s. companies. so do things number one because we do not have money to be here for to get finest oil for our generation the country is having lordship and this is

the electricity for fourteen to fifteen hours and indeed eighteen hours in the rural areas. that would mean the farmers don't run they're. the do birds to water their crops that means factories and industries are closing down there because there's a massive unemployment only of inflation so that's one aspect of corruption the second is that it was sort of this money ends up and this was a chance of a lot of dog was the only political leader in the middest money are excited by this done and i have everything in by you stand in line and apart from more particularly this head of political bodies there have been guns and brought their properties abroad and this is not declared so of this money most of this money and others that the country let's move on to the u.s.

. tell me about this assassination of osama bin laden in pakistan what was the feeling in pakistan that the i.s.i. was hiding this our going lot of the terror and confident why. was a solid bin laden in pakistan and you know what you must understand is that some of been not there was trained by the i.r.s. and cia. did was a lot of bad i would dream i knew the cia and i.s.i. about twenty years back so this is this is these people were assets of by this time on. their would really by the bogus and i mean the i.s.i. financed by the cia or but they were fighting the soviets and for a long time these groups had very close association with the most unsecured agencies now suddenly comes no new level and you do under the leading degrees does i mean we shadowed us at hundley to be stolen. but it didn't mean that all along

the way people would have accepted this because here what people are trained for jihad our job and this is in this just means by doing foreign occupation our view of the goodness of them having indoctrinating not only. these militant groups but also your need and sees that they're fighting a war and occupation is it is a religious duty or a right some subset in the i.s.i. some people perhaps who are dealt with in the past who are still loyal of course people who would have thought that if i do another foreign occupation which is now the worst is also as it is today of course if it's possible as it is there a feeling that the u.s. is helping our clean out militants in pakistan or is there a feeling that it's a violation of pakistani sovereignty and this was the ultimate in the leadership. it is a gun free which is

a i don't know the most about thirty five thousand people dead fighting and there are those for. and as i said the go to the last far. in terms of when do you last was then the gate given to us and the government was the figure to seventy billion dollars is going to be debated so this war isn't going to the supposed to be second phase of the us and then not and i did not trust us and actually game and kill someone on our own soil it wasn't that at all factors combined in the second phase and secondly it is an area that we had not been for him and so forget about what the government on i'm done with the people of the country who didn't know what was going on because it. was the it was being abused the way to get them or europe all by the way because of this either the environment or in goods but what about the people so good that there was

a definitive in there was a very strong reaction born of the feeling of humiliation answer to think that you know that the us argue that so and bin laden is a terrorist responsible for the deaths of many americans so they have a right to go in and take him out i'm saying is the. war on terror as large as some hard confusion as the to win the war on terror by bombs and. you know killing people actually war on terror is one when you win hearts and minds of people if you lose the war this is that that is the where this is going to end i don't like just one has already played this to do it that it was eight years back by this time and this little corner is a joke it's a polarized society than it was here two years ago whatever we do military this is not a solution we have. we did it for eight years the americans it failed for eleven years

but what are we going to do now which is different and as i understand said madness is doing this if you go over and over again and expecting a different result it's not going to happen and there's no military solution only ways political solution by just bottom the political solution we do not have what it just means workable or good would it not so you need elections a good bit of government hope for the osce we'll start a political dialogue help the americans in an exit strategy from understand it this is the one we are all those. we discovered a cable in two thousand and nine from the islamabad embassy. the prime minister of. interior minister mal ak went into the embassy and offered to share. that is the

voting record system for voters in pakistan and a front company was set up in the united kingdom international identity services which was hired as the consultants in that drug to squirrel out. the daughter all of pakistan it's it seems to me that that is a theft of some national treasure of pakistan the entire pakistani database registry office people. judy it's so shameful. you know never has a country's ruling elite for personal benefits never had to betray to people as much as this elite and it was shut up and the government elite. not only have that done as they have been just number of people who have disappeared by. on

suspicion of terrorism they were biased i mean these people from by just any sort of handle would do the americans on this mission of of. them being involved in some terrorists and people have disappeared. people that eliminated suspect stuff and limited to draw doubts and not only suspect their wives the children it was a deliberate it never has it been any wording in what these people are innocent or not new country has ever been bombed by it's one and out as we are being moments country as i said is the bullshit bit of my history never has a country that willingly betrayed its people saw a light at the seventh ruling elite and subversive benefits because a lot of them abandoned comes across their money laying abroad and guess what the americans go on about guns they do believe on the sofa not from me how

how would you reconfigure their pakistan relationship with the united states were going to be a complete severance what would you permit drone strikes what kind of intelligence cooperation what would you do in practice. have a relationship based on the dignity of the suspect. so it should be a relationship like the u.s. as with india it should not be a relationship with moscow illusion to anyone worse than bystanders a hired gun big to. kill americans in the news it's not it's a licious at that is feed it's loaded over to the people above is done nor is it delivered to the americans the only thing that you that the americans should be doorless that look there will be a good there isn't one but you can only do that if you lower the perceived to be a stooge of the americans. going to the pub and get and then deal with terrorists

or add on the generous of the militants have declared jihad against bugs on government so that given your songs and on and on and up with these guys say that this is a pullout is something americans so the woman should pull out of this war this job's the will of the jock those we need then against are sifting through the end of me this is it within our borders and then only can we get into that it will be don't desert from us and so there's one number one step has to be pulled out it was a lot more worried we become a sovereign independent state and the relationship with the us should be of dignity and self-respect no longer the. last relationship you know your you give a good description of how the war on terror in pakistan has been counterproductive it's created in the miti towards the pakistani government thirty five thousand to forty five thousand pakistanis have lost their lives why do you think the united

states pursues its agenda its during drone strikes in pakistan if if the us ambassador even is writing back saying that it's counterproductive what is the driving forces from the us. well julian i think it's because the the just like us the policy in us is being driven by a big tick and it's the this is the army would produce blows because the lead military people always think of military solutions if you look at it here and you listen to i think it was a general magnum r r i just remember a lot of dough and him well they're all saying we're back in there it's just that we've done the corner we're about to win the war of a few moments a few more moments and this will do the trick so the generals always think like that. one final question iran. have you met a.q.

. and what do you think about the father of the pakistani nuclear bomb. i've made a clone of you know. there's a lot of pieces in the book of a couple of years back but i'm going to for twenty years because he'd give the first edition to when i started billing against the hospital he was the one going forward first. here's a hero he's is. here washington biased on because by studies of the one it was someone there was security in other words. the same reason given by the israelis that they needed the bomb because this owner. hostile neighbors is ascendant by the sun before she was with india which is seven times the size of my guest on and there's a lot of the security of the country and this is

a guy who's supposed to have secured us so from their point of view he's a hero worship and by just on what i think of him i don't really nor was he a mormon this is proliferation not one of the ones of you why don't. you know by the americans and we share over the others into my room service and say look you know go prepared to. give all evidence that i never was a lot of those no i didn't really go out of the it budget on television that it was avoided but he said he was forced by oneself to do that so i do not really believe the truth behind it julian buzz only i am and new here i don't know diddly. for the world of it which has gotten you cured of the nuclear bombs. but at the moment the the where the situation is. people will i don't hear this ever since we've had white nuclear weapons even though there's been a lot of attention we've come across but there has been no war would be focused on

india and before the nuclear weapon there were three wars so the people will i don't from that point of view ok. thank you very much to i wish you all the best because i think you. what to do with. freedom of information is the rules to war because we are basically drove. by people who live in foolish. this is video and that's it i'm the biggest but it's usually there's going to be these look seals would have just been to the mission. like we would never imagine john's. coming. so do you think the little bits thank you good luck. six cuts. six cuts.

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