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powerful united states strongly condemn us going after white people illegally shoot five hundred days now i've being detained without charge but that hasn't stopped us . today we're on a quest for revolutionary ideas that can change the world tomorrow. from humble origins my next guest in run come became a household name as captain of pakistan's victorious cricket team he then left sports and launched his movement for justice party in the most dangerous political environment on a. four years can anti corruption party was ignored in two thousand and seven us state department cables referred to him as pakistan's one man party. but pakistan is changing fast over the last two years widespread anger over u.s. drone strikes and corrupt political dynasties has proven millions to his cause i

want to know why is he now front runner to be the next leader of pakistan. to you. i'm all right i have a bit of a cold but i think that's a good thing because my voice is a bit sexier than normal and i have to go basically. everything just to sit with you everybody just well i think you know interesting time is a bit more interesting than my interesting time i saw these videos of your rallies last night so i think this is great but i worry you're going to get blowed up so. so i hope your interesting time doesn't get any more into this didn't you go to go sometime yeah the seven of those are some of them just. like i mean i was you know when i saw this guy's hospital so i used to see you but i'm going in six months later they were gone so i have a completely different attitude to life and you're not around for long so you might

as well make the most of it. you don't realize that you're back to. the wiki leaks mid not just. let me let me pour you a merry go broken up for some reason where we're just lost you for a minute ok you're you're back again. back the middle of the world but by the sun the with the exposed all of these two faces one additions you know who was sucking up to the marriage of the insane. and brave and telling them how great they were. you know sucking up to them and public giving completely opposites to it was a rare especially this one really just this guy. who was declaring leads this religious logic and he literally doing the medic and he said look if you backed me to become the prime minister i would never want to do. and he's considered the most

anti american politician and so he was it was a. it really exposed a lot of. how iran can you describe what what are the big power factions in pakistan is the i.s.i. the army is the supreme court the old families how would you describe the basic power structure of pakistan. well the babyland by cosigning just like in the middle east is a buffer state just full and trans-jordan status for what you call the boss structure benefiting from the system and the majority of the population want to change it so what you see in the middle east is exactly this but as the west looks upon muslim societies and there's some war going on within fundamentalist and liberals islam and fundamentalists their brothers actually and this is really the divided up in the muslim world which is why everyone looks surprised by the arab spring and by is the one with the following i have been are is the symptom of the same people who

are going to go to the middle east people who want to do change and decided to squabble now what does this do just one focused on we have a political mark else all of the political parties have not got together against being so they have sort of for this is a desert this is a group of them got this is a good sign is it iran that if people are gathering around to oppose you very very must be scared. oh maybe five because the last time by the sun we saw red is as big as the doing to god one. lot and one was forty years ago was a go you would do the five don't be uneasy and when that these sort of the numbers don't know you swept the election he just went and he was an underdog and the stooges fight is a lot of work so that's why the records good we researched the wiki leaks cables

from islamabad to see what they said about you and in two thousand and seven the us ambassador said. who's p.t.i. party is effectively a one man show has little to lose his credibility rests in his so created role as a politician he sticks to his principles and he's popular with the pakistani intelligence here and elements of diaspora but has never been able to turn his starring role as captain of pakistan's only team to really win the international cricket championship into an effective political party that's obviously changed now what's happened in the last few months with julian what happened was the. media. from hostile fire on words we certainly. appreciate independent television jones. the most.

the most watched programs begin to fail programs so the today if you watch the television it's like having read jeremy bash fun don't sweat the gave you have. these these guys have become a billion moves like terry virts and you will have one on the mean one of all the journals and. where you would for instance have a big brother in england or some sort of grew up here don't even want to watch it don't interfere programs. such as the desire. to understand the political situation of people such as the interest that their own time and their they have the highest viewership so what's happened in the past six months i mean there's really been a tremendous rise the opinion polls that i've read have your popular support at something between sixty to eighty percent. of the pakistani population

perhaps you can describe this. how your party has grown in size and momentum and what's it like in europe for you trying to manage this incredibly fast growing organization was full of what go to elections in two thousand and eight. because you know these elect the elections bug manipulated by the bush administration they grew to deal between musharraf and businesses with all of their option cases work and not only the other look at politicians they were given an amnesty by a shell and this was the deal brokered by the americans and it was the n.r.o. all nationally conciliation ordinance so in the middle of reading solution the americans got all shut up and bins it together and got all these are a case in the latest book drive with due dates above that whole bush get we're

about on the back when you've got them together and sort of. so sort of so. and along with a lot of the by just go to the election. because we've for the supposedly boring. for a while make up went down because we stood up and actions and then as the governments began to mess up because once the criminals came to buy our corruption broke all records and biased nationally because when you were allowed to big government to close and serve as the way it was doug remembering that i want everyone to know is what got in the election that this election is a disease it's going to be a disaster for the people of bias on it's only meant for the bush administration to have one removed one but it was sure it was struggling so you would like to go both they wanted another puppet government so they could pursue this war on terror without a lot of them was bombing on europe and still so whatever i was saying and went

through the roof the war on terror was has been devastated by this for a because for two thousand and one of us that is a big deal in a war we have nothing to do we're up busy our own army killing on people and then get it then doing suicide attacks on the folks that is evidence and. the cost of seventy billion dollars of this war totally it has been less than twenty billion so all i was able of these things and suddenly. it just resonated with people and almost two years ago mike the graph started going up as though says the bigger the who wanted to go see this james. we are seeing politicians rushing to me so people who are electable is realizing that the war although not always to mean that they're going to do and i heard that even even musharaff tried to say to you.

you you pm me president. well there you see bush or. does not understand what's happening in pakistan because he's outside is all over you know politics is on the face of he doesn't realize that on the ground based on the situation is is completely different number one can be the biggest liability to get a light to the dude and he's responsible for the mess he's responsible for this is a record of corruption because he's the one to give them amnesty the good of the good of the new order in the world i've given is given amnesty and that are going to just elections again and then get into bomb on and secondly this war on terror so he's responsible if you look at say the soviet union which also had a lot of corruption for people said well that. well at least the black market is

a market. so you're going to have some kind of trading it helps you get around regulations which are impeding business. what is the problem with corruption in pakistan why is why is corruption bad for pakistan just to give you know the statistics then i and i am history of sixty years the total debt if you milledge it by bikes don is about five trillion in just four years the debt has gone up from the problem by twelve trillion. so we had. already. due to service our debts so if not of one point eight trillion. debt servicing is eight hundred billion harvard goes to debt servicing six hundred billion goes to before the army had anything million people have two hundred billion to be used as a liberal so clearly the ganges on one so that in itself russia they could

still go on and gives a bias on we're looking at the atlas we're looking at. us going down the drain the country is heading towards complete chaos we don't have money to don't run the country and at the moment load shedding we don't have money to buy and you do. not buy our generation because we get a lot of buy food for up large initial of the government are there's almost fourteen hours notice that there's no electricity for fourteen hours a day. and the corruption in pakistan the tax evasion is one thing but the the stealing of money from the treasury how much of that ends are back in pakistan i just taking from the poor the middle class and

transferring it to the rich in pakistan versus how much of the money is taken out of pakistan and stashed into london banks or stashed into swiss banks or u.s. companies. so two things number one because we do not have a minute to be here for to get finest oil for our generation the country is having lordship and there's electricity for fourteen to fifteen hours and it did eighteen hours in the rural areas. that means the farmers don't run they're. the birds to water their crops that means factories and industries are closing down there because there's a massive unemployment only of inflation so that's one aspect of corruption the second it was sort of this is money and stuff but this was about guns. it wasn't the only political leader in the middest money are slightly biased on and i have everything in by you stand in line and apart from more particularly this

head of political bodies there have banned guns and brought their properties abroad and this is not declared so all of this money most of this money and some of that the country let's move on to the u.s. . tell me about this assassination of osama bin laden in pakistan what was the feeling in pakistan that the i.s.i. was hiding this i would get a lot of that there in confidence why. was a solid bin laden in pakistan and you know what you must understand is that some of been one of them was trained by the i.s.i. and cia. did lot of adam with trained by the cia and i.s.i. about twenty years back so this is this is these people were assets of by this time on. their would really by the by just an army and the i.s.i. financed by the cia and but they were fighting the soviets and for

a long time these groups had a big association with the most unsecured agencies now suddenly comes no new lever and you do a lot of the leading degrees does i mean we showed us a hundred to be stolen. but it didn't mean that all along the way people would have accepted this because here what people are trained for jihad our job and this is in this just means by doing the foreign occupation so obviously the can miss them having indoctrinating not only. these militant groups but also your own intensities that they're fighting a war and occupation is it is a religious duty a right some subset in the i.s.i. some people perhaps who are dealt with him in the past who are still loyal the cause people who would have thought of that why do you need another foreign occupation we just know the worst is also religious duty of course if it's possible

as it is there a feeling that the u.s. is helping our clean out militants in pakistan or is there a feeling that it's a violation of pakistani sovereignty and this was the ultimate humiliation. it was a gun free which is a bad omen to most about thirty five thousand people dead fighting the murder of those four. and as i said the country had lost far. in terms of what do you lost was then the aid given to us and the government was the figure to seventy billion dollars in order to be debated so this war isn't going to the supposed to be second posting for the worse and then out and i did not trust us and actually game and kill someone on our own soil it wasn't that at all factors combined in the sacrifice and secondly here's an ad that would be about your friend and. forget about all of the government on i'm done with the people of the country

who didn't know what was going on because it. was the as it was being used the only way to get them or all by the way because of this is either the environment or in goods but what about the people so good that there was a definitive in there was a very strong reaction born of feeling of humiliation and to do think that you know that the us argue that so and bin ladin is a terrorist responsible for the deaths of many americans so they have a right to go in and take him out i'm saying is that. war on terror as the law is somehow the confusion is that to win the war on terror by bombs and. you know killing people actually war on terror is one we win hearts and minds of people if you lose the war this is that that is the where this is going to end i

knew by just one as well radicalized did that it was eight years back by this time and this is longer as it's a polarized society than it was here two years ago whatever we do military this is not a solution we have. for eight years the americans if in four eleven years. what are we going to do now which is different and as i understand said madness is doing this if you go over and over again and expecting a different result it's not going to happen there's no military solution only ways but it will solution by just the bottom the political solution we do not have politicians look you will all get a bit of both so you need elections a good bit of government hope for the osce we'll start a political dialogue help the americans in an exit strategy from understand this is the one we are honest. we discovered a cable in two thousand and nine from the islamabad embassy. a

prime minister of. interior minister mel ak went into the embassy and offered to share an address that is the voting record system for voters in pakistan and a front company was set up in the united kingdom international identity services. which was hired as the consultant in that drawer to squirrel out the. all of pakistan its it seems to me that that is a theft of some national treasure of pakistan the entire pakistani database registry office people. judy it's so shameful. you know never has a country's ruling elite for personal benefits never had to betray to people

as much as this elite and it was shut up and the current lead not only have they done as they have been just number of people who have disappeared by just. on suspicion of terrorism there were biased i mean these people from by just any sort of handle would do the americans on this mission of of of them being involved in some terrorist and people have disappeared. people that it would need suspect stuff and limited to troop drawdowns and not only suspect their wives their children it was a deliberate it never has it been any wording in what these people are innocent or not new country has ever been but it's one and out as we are being moments to entry as i said is the bullshit bit of my history never has a country that willingly betrayed its people saw the light at the start intruding

a need for personal benefits because all of them about comes across their money laying abroad and guess what the americans go on about guns they do believe on the sofa not from me how how would you reconfigure their pakistan relationship with the united states were going to be a complete severance what would you commit drone strikes what kind of intelligence cooperation what would you do in practice. have a relationship based on the dignity self-respect. so it should be a relationship like the u.s. as with india it should not be a relationship with moscow lucia to anyone who was there but stand as a hired gun big bear to. kill americans and it is it's not considered lish is it that is feed it's loaded over to the people above is done nor does it deliver to

the americans the only thing that you that the americans should we do all is that look there will be blood there is a must but you can only do that if you lower the perceived to be a student of demands or you're going to be a problem get and then deal with terrorists or at the moment the generous of the militants have declared jihad against bugs on government so that given your songs and on and on and up with these guys say that this is a pull out of something americans so the woman should get out of this war this jobs the will of the juggalos we need then against our sifting through the end of me this is it within our borders and then all you get to get into that will be don't tell us and from us and so therefore number one step has to be pulled out it was a lot laurie we become a sovereign independent state and the relationship with the us should be of dignity and self-respect no longer the. last relationship you know your you give

a good description of how the war on terror in pakistan has been counterproductive it's created in the mitty towards the pakistani government thirty five thousand to forty five thousand pakistanis have lost their lives why do you think the united states pursues. its agenda its during drone strikes in pakistan if if the us ambassador even is writing back saying that it's counterproductive what is the driving forces from the us. well julian i think it's because of the the just like us the policy in us is being driven by a budget and it's the this is the army people who would produce clothes because only the military people always think of military solutions if you look at it here and you listen to i think it was a general magnum r r r i just remember

a lot of dough and him well they're all saying we're back and it's sixty's that we've done the corner we're about to win the war of a few moments a few more moments and this would do the trick so the generals always think like that. one final question iran. have you met a.q. . and what do you think about the father of the pakistani nuclear bomb. i've made a clone of you know. there's a lot of pieces in the book of a couple of years back but i'm going to twenty years because he'd give the first edition to when i started building the guns hospital he was the one going forward first. here's a hero his is. here washington by the sun because if i was in the news of the one it was someone there was security in other words. the same reason given by the

israelis that they needed the bomb because they're surrounded by a. hostile neighbors is ascended by the sun before she was with india which is seven times the size of my guest on and there's a lot of the security of the country and this is a guy who's supposed to have secured us so from their point of view he's a hero worship and like. what i think of him i don't really nor was he in war and this is proliferation on not on the ones of you why don't. you know by the americans and we share over the others into my room so that we see the logo ready to. give all i want to say that i never was a long and it's not i don't really know what of the it budget on television that it was avoided but he said he was forced by oneself to do that so i don't really know the truth behind it julian buzz only i managed to do here i don't know diddly.

for the world of it which has gotten you good nuclear bombs. but at the moment is that the way the situation is. people live on here this ever since we've had acquired nuclear weapons even though there's been a lot of attention we've come across but there has been no war would be focused on india and before the nuclear weapon there were three wars so the people will argue from their point of view ok. thank you very much to i wish you all the best because i think you. what you did with your freedom of information is the most important thing because we are basically drove. by people who live information this is video and i said i'm the biggest beneficiary this is going to be these last years would have just been through the mission like we would never have i was just . going to borrow so that you think oh well that's thank you america good luck.

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