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today where on a quest for revolutionary ideas that can change the world tomorrow. from humble origins my next guest imran khan became a household name as captain of pakistan's victorious cricket team he then left sports and launched his movement for justice party in the most dangerous political environment on a. for years can anti corruption party was ignored in two thousand and seven u.s. state department cables referred to him as pakistan's one man party. but pakistan is changing. over the last two years widespread anger over u.s. drone strikes and corrupt political dynasties has proven millions to his cause i want to know why is he now front runner to be the next leader of pakistan. julian. i'm all right i have a bit of a cold but i think that's

a good thing because my voice is a bit sexier than normal and i have to go basically. to get everything just to sit with you everybody just today well i think you know interesting time is a bit more interesting than my interesting time i saw these videos of your rallies last night so i think this is great but i worry you're going to get blown off. so i hope your interesting time doesn't get any more you. didn't even notice. yeah this isn't some problem just. like i mean i was you know when i set up this guy's hospital so i used to see. going in six months later they were gone so i have a completely different attitude to life and you're not around for long so you might as well make the most of it. you don't realize that you're back to. the wiki leaks mid not just. let me let me pour is the

way to go broken up for some reason where we're just lost you are going to like a you're you're back you get. back the middle of the world but by the sun the with the exploded all of these two faces one additions you know who was sucking up to the marriage in the same. drive and telling them how great they were. you know sucking up to them and public giving completely opposites to it was a rare especially this one really just this guy. who was declaring leads this religious logic and he literally doing the medic and he said look if you backed me to become the prime minister i would never want to do. and he's considered the most anti american politician you know so he was it was a. it really exposed a lot of people who. saw him run can you describe what what are the big power

factions in pakistan is the i.s.i. the army is it the supreme court the old families how would you describe the basic power structure of pakistan. well the babylon five just aren't just like in the middle east is above us just fall and then storm status for what you call the boss structure benefiting from the system and the majority of the population want to change so what you see in the middle east is exact reverse but as the west looks upon muslim societies and there's some war going on within fundamentalist and liberals islam and fundamentalists their brothers actually and this is really the divided up in the muslim world which is why everyone looks surprised by the arab spring and by is the one with the following i have been are is the sin by the same people who are going to go to the middle east people who want to get james and his disposal now what does this do just one by just and with the political mafia else

all of the political parties have not got it together against me so they have sort of the this is a desert this is a good some of them got this is a good sign is that iran that if people are gathering around to oppose you very very must be scared. of the five because the last time and by the sun we saw red is as big as the doing to god one of. the lot and one of the girl she was forty years ago was little girl you would do the father don't be uneasy and when that these sort of the numbers don't know you swept the election he just went and he was an underdog and the stooges school buddies. so that's what have you we researched the wiki leaks cables from islamabad to see what they said about you and in two thousand and seven the us ambassador said.

whose p.t.i. party is effectively a one man show has little to lose his credibility rests in his so created role as a politician he sticks to his principles and he's popular with the pakistani intelligence here and elements of diaspora but has never been able to turn his starring role as captain of pakistan's only team to really win the international cricket championship into an effective political party that's obviously changed now what's happened in the last few months with julian what happened was the. media. from hostile fire on words we suddenly had. this ration of independent television jones. the most. the most watched programs begin to fail programs so today if you watch the television it's like having read jeremy bash one i don't give you

you have. these these guys have become the billion moves like jury votes and you will have one on the mean one of all the journals and. where you would for instance have a big brother in england or some sort of rug here don't even want to watch or interfere programs. such as the desire. to understand the political situation of people such as the interest that they are diamond did they have the highest viewership it's a what's happened in the past six months i mean there's really been a tremendous rise the opinion polls by bread have your popular support at something between sixty to eighty percent. of the pakistani population perhaps you can describe this. how your party has grown in size and momentum

and what's it like in the for you try to manage this incredibly fast growing organization first followed one quarter of the elections in two thousand and eight . because you know these elect the elections bug manipulated by the bush administration big group to deal between with cher and businesses but all of your option cases blood and not only the other politicians they were given an amnesty by a shell and this was the deal brokered by the americans and it was called the end not all nationally can see this ordinance so in the name of reagan solution the americans got all shut up and bit is it together and got all these are a house in the latest book drive with due dates above that whole bush get we're about on the back when she got them together and sort of. so sort of so. and along with a lot of the by just why go to the election. because we've for the supposedly

boring. for a while make up went down because we stood up and actions and then as the governments began to mess up because once the guerrillas came to buy our corruption broke all records and biased nationally because when you have a lot of crime big crime multiplies and such as the way it was doug remembering that i want everyone to know is what got in the election that this election is a disease it's going to be a disaster for the people of bias the one it's only meant for the bush administration to have one who. was sure it was struggling so you would like to go they wanted another puppet government so they could pursue this war on terror without a lot of them was bombing on europe and still so whatever i was saying and went to the root of the war on terror was has been devastated by this all of because for

two thousand and one despite his have been good in a war we have nothing to do we're busy our own army killing on people and then then doing so so the notes on by us that this is evidence and they can be done again the cost of seventy billion dollars of this war totally it has been less than twenty billion so all i was able of these things and certainly it was. just resonated with people and almost two years ago my gut grass started going up as though says the bigger that is the will of people see this james we are seeing our politicians rushing to me so people who are electable is realizing that the war banner number longs to mean they're going to do and i heard that even even musharaff tried to say to you. you you pm me president. well there you see bush or. does not understand what's

happening in pakistan because he's outside is all you know what it takes is on the face book he doesn't realize that on the ground and biased on the situation is is completely different number one can be the biggest liability to get i like to. do it he's responsible for the mess he's responsible for this is a record corruption because he's the one to give them amnesty the good of the good of the new order in the world i've given is given amnesty and that i can just elections again and get into my own and secondly this war on terror so he's responsible if you look at say the soviet union which also had a lot of corruption pretty paul said well that. well at least the black market is a market. so you're going to have some kind of trading it helps you get around regulations which are impeding business. what is the problem with corruption in pakistan why is why is corruption bad for pakistan just to give you know the

statistics then you're not going to i am history of sixty years the total debt you milledge buy bikes on is about was five trillion in just four years the debt has gone up from problems by politically. so we had. to to service our debts so out of one point eight trillion. debt servicing is eight hundred billion harvard goes to debt service and six hundred billion goes to before the army how do they leave the million people who have two hundred million to be used as a liberal so clearly the ganges unwired so that in itself russia could still go on and gives advice on we're looking at the atlas we're looking at. us going down the drain the country is heading towards complete chaos

we don't have money to don't run the country and at the moment you are shedding we don't have money to buy and you do. not buy our generation so because we can look at buy food for a pardon or slow the government are there's almost fourteen hours notice you did there's no electricity for fourteen hours a day. and and the corruption in pakistan the tax evasion is one thing but the the stealing of money from the treasury how much of that ends are back in pakistan by just taking from the poor the middle class and transferring it to the rich in pakistan versus how much of the money is taken out of pakistan and stashed into london banks or stashed into swiss banks or u.s. companies. so do things number one because we do not have money to bear

for to get finest oil for our generation the country does have ignored shipping this is the electricity for fourteen to fifteen hours and indeed eighteen hours in the rural areas. that would mean the farmers don't run there. to do worse to water their crops that means factories and industries are closing down there because there's massive unemployment on top of inflation so that's one aspect of corruption the second is that it was sort of this money ends up and this was a dance of the dog was on. the political leader in the middest money are slightly biased on and i have everything in by you stand in line and apart from the more particularly this head of political bodies there have been accounts of brought their properties abroad and this is not to blow so of this

money most of this money and others of the country let's move on to the u.s. . tell me about this assassination of osama bin laden in pakistan what was the feeling in pakistan that the i.s.i. was hiding this i would get a lot of that there in confident why. was a solid bin laden in pakistan and you know what you must understand is that was some of binod that was trained by the i.r.s. and cia. did warlow adam was created by the cia and i.s.i. about twenty years back so this is this is these people were assets of by this time are. they would really by the by just an army in the u.s. . financed by the cia or but they were fighting the soviets and for a long time these groups had big association with the most unsecured agencies now suddenly comes no new level and you do

a lot of the leading degrees does i mean we showed us a hundred used. but it didn't mean that all along the way people would have accepted this because here what people are trained for jihad are jobs and this is in this just means by doing the foreign occupation so our people who can miss them having indoctrinating not only. these militant groups but also your need and sees that they're fighting a war and occupation is it is a religious duty very very some subset of the i.s.i. some people perhaps who are dealt with him in the past who are still loyal of course people who would have thought that if i do another foreign occupation which is not the worst it's also religious duty of course if it's possible as it is there a feeling that the u.s. is helping our clean out militants in pakistan or is there a feeling that it's a violation of pakistani sovereignty and this was the ultimate you believe. it was

a gun free which was a bad omen to most about thirty five thousand people dead fighting america's war. and as i said the country had lost far. in terms of what do you lost those then the gate given to us and the government was the figure to seventy billion dollars is going to billion so this war isn't going to the supposed to be second facing for the worse and then out and i did not trust us and actually game and kill someone on our own soil it wasn't bad at all factors combine in the sacrifice and secondly it is an area that would be above you for it and so look forget about what the government on i'm done with the people of the country who do to know what was going on because it. was the it was being abused the way to get them or europe all by the way because of this either they were involved in goods

but what about the people so good that there was if anything there was a very strong reaction born of the feeling of humiliation and to do think that you know that the us argue that so and bin laden is a terrorist responsible for the deaths of many americans so they have a right to go in and take him out what i'm saying is that. war on terror is the law is somehow the confusion as the do when a war on terror by bombs and. you know killing people actually war on terror is one when you win hearts and minds of people if you lose the war this is that that is the word this is going to end i knew by just one as well radicalized did that it was eight years back by this time in this little corner as to it's a polarized society than it was here two years ago whatever we do military this is

not a solution we have. for eight years the americans have failed for eleven years what what what are we going to do now which is different and as i understand said madness is doing this if you go over and over again and expecting a different result it's not going to happen and there's no military solution only ways political solution by the. bottom the political solution we do not have one occasion to look at the law get a bit of both so you need elections go to build a government of hope for the osce we'll start a political dialogue help the americans in an exit strategy from a lot of start to see we are out of those. in iran we discovered a cable in two thousand and nine from the islamabad embassy. the prime minister of. interior minister mal ak went into the embassy and offered to share an address that is the

voting record system for voters in pakistan and a front company was set up in the united kingdom international identity services. which was hired as the consultants in that drawer to squirrel out the daughter all of pakistan it's it seems to me that that is a theft of some national treasure of pakistan the entire pakistani database registry office people. judy it's so shameful. you know never has a country's ruling elite for personal benefits never had to betray to people as much as this elite and the bush era and the current elite. not only have done as

they have been just some people who have disappeared by mistake. on suspicion of terrorism there were biased i mean these people from by just any sort of handed over to the americans on a business mission of of. them being involved in some terrorism and people have disappeared. people that eliminated suspect stuff and limited to troop drawdowns and not only suspect their wives their children it was a deliberate it never has it been any wording in what these people are innocent or not new country has ever been it's one and out as we are being moments country as i said is the bullshit in full bit of my history never has a country that willingly betrayed its people saw the light at the start intruding elite and subversive benefits because all of their bank accounts across their money laying abroad and guess what the americans go on about guns they do believe on the

sofa not from you know how how would you reconfigure their pakistan relationship with the united states we're going to be a complete severance what would you commit drone strikes what kind of intelligence cooperation what would you do in practice. have a relationship based on the dignity self-respect. so it should be a relationship like the u.s. as with india it should not be a relationship with master lucian to anyone who was there but just as a hired gun big bear to do a killer it doesn't is it's not it's a licious ship that is feed it's now delivered to the people above is done nor is it delivered to the americans the only thing that you that the americans should be doorless the lot of there will be border is a must but you can only do that if you lower the perceived to be

a studio of the americans or you're going to come and get and then deal with terrorists or at the moment the terrorists or the militants have declared jihad against bugs on government so that given your songs and on and on and up with these guys say that this is a pull out into something americans so the woman should get out of this war this jobs the will of the joc those we then against are sifting through the end of the this is it within our borders and then only can we get into that it will be don't generate them from us and so therefore number one step has to be pulled out it was a lot newer it we become a sovereign independent state and the relationship with the us should be of dignity and self-respect no longer the. last relationship or your you give a good description of how the war on terror in pakistan has been counterproductive it's created in the miti towards the pakistani government thirty five thousand to

forty five thousand pakistanis have lost their lives why do you think the united states pursues. its agenda its during drone strikes in pakistan if if the us ambassador even is writing back saying that it's counterproductive what is the driving forces from the us. well julian i think it's because the the just like us the policy in us is being driven by a budget and it's the is the army would grow this close because only the military people always think of military solutions if you look at it here and you listen to i think there was a general magnum r r r i just remember a lot of dough and him well they're all saying we're back and it's just that we've done the corner we're about to win the war but few moments a few more moments and this would do the trick so the generals always think like

that. one final question of iran. have you met a.q. . and what do you think about the father of the pakistani nuclear bomb. i've made a clone of you know. there's a lot of pieces in the book a couple of years back but i'm going to for twenty years because he'd give the first edition to when i started building the gansa hospital he was the one going forward first. here's a hero his is. harold washington by the sun because if i was the niece of the one it was someone there was security in other words. the same reason given by the israelis that they needed the bomb because this owner. hostile neighbors is ascendant by the sun before she was with india which is seven times the size of my

guest on and there's a lot of the security to look country and this is a guy who's supposed to have secured us so from their point of view he's a hero worship and like. what i think of him i don't really nor was he in war and this is a proliferation of the ones of you why don't. you know by the americans and we share over the others including i'm still of the logo ready to. give all i want is that i never was alone and it's not i don't really know if it put it on television that it was avoided but he said he was forced by oneself to do that so i don't have the truth behind it julian buzz only i managed to do here i don't know diddly. for the world of it which has gotten you know a nuclear bombs. but at the moment there's the where the situation is. people will i don't hear this ever since we've had acquired nuclear weapons even though there's

been a lot of tension and we've come close but there has been no war would be bugs and india and before the nuclear weapon there were three wars so the people will argue from that point of view ok. thank you very much to i wish you all the best because i do. what. is the. basic. by people with. this is. and i this is i'm the biggest it's going to be these seals were just. like you would never buy john. so do you think thank you good luck.

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