tonight on our t.v. last ditch effort to avoid extradition were the leaks founder julian assange is in a standoff with british authorities by producers embassy is now the only thing standing in his way of departure to sweden for you a live update from london straight ahead. and ron paul might not might no longer be campaigning for the republican presidential nomination but his supporters are going down without a fight sort of using their delegate strategy they've got a new angle litigation we'll tell you why they're suing the republican national committee and what they're hoping to get out of it. plus they're fighting computer hacking from within no learn on the defense major companies are taking cyber security into their own hands to stop sophisticated attacks even recruiting former hackers to help coming up we'll speak to one of the most famous hackers turned

contractor. wednesday june twentieth seven pm in washington d.c. and that in martin you're watching our t.v. to avoid being extradited to sweden and nine days working leaks founder julian assange is now seeking political asylum in the ecuador embassy in britain he's remained side the embassy for two days now this is a relatively short amount of time considering some of the other asylum cases we've seen worldwide over the years. here's a look at some top asylum cases from around the world the longest asylum case took place during hungary's communist regime roman catholic cardinal you'll have been senti lived inside the u.s. embassy in budapest from one thousand nine hundred fifty six until nine hundred seventy one he was eventually allowed to leave budapest for vienna fast forward to nine hundred eighty in economic crisis sent tens of thousands of cubans attempting

to flee the country but being stopped before they could leave six cubans including group leader and use these took matters into their own hands and crashed a bus through the peruvian embassy gates in ivana seeking asylum as a result fidel castro then opened the port of money and one hundred twenty five thousand cubans left the country in a chaotic exodus by boats. then in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine to yoga then military governor of panama sought refuge at the apostol like none could hear the vatican's embassy after being overthrown by the u.s. noriega remained held up for ten days he surrendered after being assured he would not face the death penalty but that wasn't the case for former afghanistan president analogy boola a case of defacto asylum he sought help from the un after resigning power in one thousand nine hundred two and actually lived in its headquarters in kabul until one thousand nine hundred six however the story ends tragically for najibullah in one thousand nine hundred six he was castrated by the taliban and was dragged behind

a truck in the streets of kabul and then publicly hanged on a light post most recently there was the case of the blind chinese dissident chen guangcheng he escaped house arrest in his village and sought refuge at the u.s. embassy in beijing he left after six days and was later allowed to go to new york with his wife and two children so how long will join us on her man inside the ecuador embassy and will he be given safe passage to ecuador around the ground coverage in london are to correspondent laura smith joined us earlier to give us an update take a look. well in the building behind me which is the ecuadorian embassy here in london julian assange is in there somewhere to be fooled by the luxury nature of the building i'm sure it's very nice inside to be ecuador an embassy itself is very small so the ecuadorian ambassador's unlikely to have one today and i phones to stay for any length of time having said that we haven't seen any decision made today he is in

a tricky situation really as long as he remains inside the ecuadorian and to see the police on to allowed to go in and get him the british police can only enter the territory of an embassy with specific permission from the ambassador can see so that he remains inside he said ok but the moment he steps outside the door actually regardless of whether he's being a grant a granted asylum in ecuador the police could arrest him so that is a bit of a tricky situation really so it's quite cramped in that what's been going on today is a series of meetings and discussions we had towards the end of the day a statement a bit of a noncommittal statement really by the ecuadorian ambassador who talked about the ecuadorian tradition of supporting human rights on the one hand but she also says that that they had no intention of interfering with the legal processes of sweden or the u.k. and she said that she was looking for a just and fair solution so that's where it stands at the moment or what do you think is going to happen if ecuador decides to grant him asylum.

i mean not that's not clear i mean what i what i suspect would happen is that the ecuadorian embassy would try to get him from head to the airport they can issue a warrant to have safe passage for him but as i say as far as i know the police on bound to states about to the moment he leaves the embassy he is liable for arrest because of course he by doing this he has breached the terms of his bail and he is supposed to stay the night at the address where he's registered and of course the ecuadorian embassy is not the address where he's registered say that he has broken these conditions which puts him in another awkward situation because a lot of his friends and celebrities including the socialite should my mccollum the journalist john pilger they posted a large amount of bail for him because he's breaking those conditions that now looks like they might use that money to this point of being an easy decision for julian assange is to have made. why do you think you chose a door or an embassy laura. well i'm sure he thought very

carefully about which country he might go to we know heroin on t.v. that he has developed over the last few months a good relationship with the president of ecuador president rafael correia and in fact we his sources saying that it's possible that while he was recording his interview with president career full his interview program which is running at the moment on our t.v. he may have office president correia off whether he might consider giving him asylum so what we're seeing now could be the sort of end game in a process that's been going on for some months president is a very socialist leaning man he's he's displayed a certain amount of sympathy for julian i saw it in the past and one might assume that he has had some kind of signal from ecuador that they might be prepared to consider it. what is the scene been like since since he took asylum in the

ecuadorian embassy have there been a lot of supporters out on the streets have there been kind of contradictory groups of people rallying tell us a little bit about the. at there have been supporters i mean it has to be said that since this process started eighteen months ago the number of supposes that has on the streets here in the u.k. has dwindled right at the beginning of this process we regularly saw one hundred one hundred fifty people turn out to support him and his cool herring's but through the months and i'm not sure why that is i don't think it's because sympathy for him has to build i think it's just because people knew that this was going to be a very long process and people have jolts and they have to go to them so they can always be dropping everything to turn out and support him but you can see behind me i hope the remnants of today's supporters that have seen a few people here today with black coats and banas. you can see them behind me to shoot the messenger kind of thing so these are the whole it's cool and i can see that they have equipment that suggests they might even be staying the night say

they're not going anywhere that was our correspondent laura smith and ron paul not winning the g.o.p. nomination is not stopping his supporters from taking the establishment on once again this time with litigation they call themselves lawyers for ron paul and their group and affiliated with the official campaign their beef the fact that unbound delegates will have to vote for romney instead of their conscience simply because their states voted that way to explain more about the lawsuit and what it all means i'm joined by austin peterson director of production for freedom works. thank you very much for having me thank you austin so breakout of last year really quickly and the whole i'm bound bound elegant thing for everyone sure absolutely i should preface it by saying that i'm not a lawyer but i have read over the details of the case and it does appear that what they're trying to do is to prove that the delegates are not actually bound by federal law to vote for any of a candidate the only problem with this is that the republican party is

a private organization which means that there can be punishment for not obeying party rules delegates who have chosen to become selected through the national convention do have to follow their do have to follow their state election rules for their party or they do risk facing a possible being kicked out of the party or being replaced in alternate delegate so the difference here is what happens between federal law and what happens between a private party so paul delegates will have to make a decision if they do vote for ron paul against the rules of their party so for example let's say they came from a state that said that they had to vote for whoever the winner of that caucus or primary was if the state was a romney state if they chose to break the rules of that party and to vote against their party rules they would not be subject to any federal laws or state laws they would not be subject to any sort of a present but they might be subject to sign or being kicked out of

their state parties which would be bad for some delegates because wrong whole strategy was to infiltrate the g.o.p. so if their goal is to stay within the g.o.p. then they will have to make a really tough decision about what they want to do. austin thanks for explaining that go a little bit into the voting rights violations and also the harassment that a lot of ron paul delegates have and occurred over the course of this whole process other than there's been a lot of harassment that's gone on and that's also just based on politics that happens in every state there's lots of instances where people are appalled delegates that were disenfranchised i think there was an example in louisiana where they were actually they were pushed out of the meeting and you're forced to go on the outside and to hold their delegate meeting in a parking lot so there was also another example where paul delegate was punched in the back of the head because they were supposedly being disruptive and there's been

all sorts of violence but you know if you do look at things in the grand scheme of things although it's been really bad if you look at other countries like the koreas and some other countries they do have a lot of violence so we're very lucky i think that we have you know as little violence as we do our politics are relatively bloodless so it has been bad there has been a lot of disenfranchisement and i do feel that still valid for the public to believe that had that but it doesn't surprise me that the romney delegates would be like that that's just what the establishment of now is harry and you know viewpoint is that's what they do they intimidate and they harass that's their job and that's what they see as there is their prerogative so often you're talking about the harassment that ron paul delegates have in current sense in this process but also there have been voting fraud there has been voting fraud that people have talked about also that's a segment of what this law stands about yes absolutely and i do want that prosecuted to the full extent that it can be. voter fraud occurs in almost every

election it's not a lot of the like politicians do get elected one of our biggest president lyndon baines johnson was elected to the senate based on voter fraud it occurs in every single election i'd like to stop i don't think it ever will stop i think our voting . voting system encourages fraud it's part of how democracy works you know i think there was a famous person who said one once that it doesn't matter who it's not who goes that counts who counts the votes so i would like to see voter fraud prosecuted i don't think that it's the kind of thing that could ever be fully eradicated i just don't think there's any sort of system that can ever be devised that would be totally foolproof and that's why our founders didn't even really like democracy for the most part as a matter of fact a lot of the institutions of the united states are anti-democratic for that reason i think the founding fathers of the united states didn't like democracy which is why they created a republican form of government and court system that is anti-democratic so we

libertarians shouldn't necessarily look to democracy is the end all be all i would like to see less voter fraud but i think we also need to look at other options for advancing our goal because it is interesting a lot of people don't realize that this country is a constitutional republic and that's what it was founded on often i wanted to go back to two thousand and eight when i utah delegate wanted to vote for mitt romney and said if mccain and when he deferred to the r. and c. council this is what they said they said the r.c. does not recognize a state binding national delegates but considers each delegate a free agent who can vote for whoever they choose the national convention allows delegates to vote for the individual of their choice regardless of the person's name is officially placed on a nomination or not do you think that this rolling or statement will have anything to do with this case. it could absolutely but the only problem is that they are

and the can change rules as they see fit for the most part you know what they if they are the problem with again the problem with them ocracy and the problem with private parties is that the private party can come in and have a meeting and hold a vote with the executive committee to change that rule and they can do it in the two thousand and twelve in the two thousand and twelve national convention and that would negate what happened in two thousand and eight i'm all for hope you know and having optimism but i'm not sure that this this lawsuit is necessarily going to change the outcome i think some ron paul supporters think that this might be used in some way to give paul the nomination and i as optimistic as like to be i don't think that that's realistic i'd like to see that happen but i think if we can at the very least get some of our voting laws change so that the more fair system rather than trying to go for someone with the goal it would be good in itself but i would not hold out hope that that would actually happen and again i'm not a lawyer and i am

a long pole supporter i hope that he does well and this lawsuit seems to have merit and i think that it's goals. do have merit as well but i don't believe that that decision that occurred in two thousand and eight is going to give any standing because it's going to have any standing because the the again the the r. and c. the republican party is a private private party they can do whatever they want and they can nominate whoever they want and they don't even really have to have election that does same symbolic at this point off and i want to play a quick clip from the video explain a loss and detail. shouldn't we wait and give our state g.o.p. party another chance to correct a misconduct no we urgently need your immediate support to help us document testimony as evidence in support of our case more witnesses plaintiff and evidence will build a stronger case and result in more protection for us all there is no reason whatsoever. to expect the r.m.c. or state g.o.p. parties to comply with the law after they openly threatened and injured ron paul

republican delegates expecting fair treatment for a thousand forcing the law amounts to insanity so that is basically saying don't expect the g.o.p. or a state aren't seen to you know do anything abiding by the laws and the fact that they have disenfranchised ron paul delegates for so long and why why why why are the ron paul supporters still trying to work within the system that will continue to disenfranchise the libertarians and supporters well that's a really good question that a lot of libertarians say that they shouldn't be trying to work within the system some rather some libertarians are saying it's time to go third party some libertarians are saying that it's not it's not time to vote this is a very dark day there are these are very dark times for libertarians and it's very hard for us to decide what to do i mean at the moment it does feel as if we're sort of fractionally fracturing into groups and i want everybody to get together but i don't think that it's going to happen in the short term now whether or not the

delegates want to coalesce behind mitt romney that's up to them i'm personally not going to be getting on board that train anytime soon as that the only way that i could ever support mitt romney's if he had a rand paul on the ticket along with a judge in the fall and of these very general in the audit the fed in the firing of bernanke and there is a bit of hypocrisy i think in asking this the government to come in and solve a problem when libertarians are saying we don't need the government to solve our problems is sort of a catch twenty two because we're already in the system so we have to work within the system and i do applaud the lawyers for their for their actions in trying to hold the republican party accountable but it does present a so a difficult situation and some of these one paul supporters are trying to work within the system and the republican national convention might actually accept these ron paul delegates and give them the leadership positions that they want and make the platform decisions that they want and possibly give the concessions that some of these ron paul delegates want and if there's. being is the loser and if they're seen as taking on the establishment rather than coming in and taking over

then it might be detrimental to them but again i'm not a lawyer so i can't comment on whether or not this case itself has merit i can only say you're sure but let's talk really quickly about what you just said that you would support mitt romney if he had to you say ron paul or rand paul as a v.p. of well run or ran the other one would be what do you think about what do you think about iran's current indorsement of him and do you think that he might be vying for v.p. candidate say no i don't think that he's gone in for the v.p. candidacy but i do think that the rand paul indorsing romney although you know it didn't make me necessarily happy is a good move in the short term because it's going to help him to accomplish some libertarian goals in the shorter term and the longer term the broken party politics politics dirty but republican party politics needs to have to go along to get along in some cases so ron paul himself is a door some candidates who are not libertarian he's been for some candidates you could say are positive status so i would not i wouldn't say it in the doors is

necessarily saying this is my guy through thick or thin it may be that he's in something that they call fabian strategy which if you look at your history fabian strategy is that you have to sometimes give ground in the short term in order to find a larger battle because you're fighting a large right a lot of people say that but he's he's doing the long strategy and you know that he he's going to try to do more things later but you know he is going out there and saying he's not only endorsing him but he will campaign for him but thank you so much for for coming on we're out of time but that was austin pearson director of production for freedom works. hackers got a hack and now companies are taking preemptive measures to fight back it's called strike back technology and the purpose is to distract or delay hacking at tens instead of trying to prevent them coming here on the off chance to lower cyber criminals into their systems in some cases they're hiring contractors to hack the. security breaches kevin mitnick once as america's most wanted hacker spent five

years in a federal prison and is now working for the other side he's the author of ghost in the wires and information security consultant earlier asked about the methods companies are using to lure potential hackers take a listen this is a technology called honeypots and it's been around for quite some time and this is where companies either acquire or they build systems that appear to be the whole juicy information to attract the to attract the attackers and that that way they could monitor and kind of profile how they're getting into the system and try to identify where they're coming from and this is been around for for quite some time kevin how do you go from being the one you know once known as the most wanted hacker and the country to working for the other side. well after i was arrested and i was in prison for quite some time is that in pretrial detention for about four and a half years and i finally finally settled the case with the government but ended

up doing five years in federal custody for hockey it wasn't for profit it was mostly for intellectual challenge and about three months after i was released senator fred thompson called me to testify for congress on how the federal government could better protect their systems and at that point i was kind of my transition into now helping government private sector companies and universities protect themselves against the threats out there so you were released early in order to help companies and the government you were and you served your term and then afterward kind of got recruited. yeah that pretty a pretty much my case is you know very unusual i mean i was i sat in solitary confinement in a federal detention center for about a year because a federal prosecutor told the judge that i could simply pick up the phone dial of. to norad and whistle into the phone communicate with their modem that's connected to their computer and launch a nuclear missile so there was

a lot of hyperbole around my case and i sat in pretrial detention for a long time but what's great today is i still do the same thing i'm still going to systems but i do it with the company's permission to help them find the vulnerabilities before the attackers do so it's very enjoyable it's kind of like how blow escobar becoming a pharmacist. kevin. said that you were in solitary confinement based on an absurd notion that you could call and want a nuclear bomb why was that even warranted i mean and what was your experience in solitary confinement like what about during you well back then this is you know quite some time ago computers were still mystical happens we're still mystical and and so a lot of events in motion pictures like war games in sneakers what happened is unfortunately governor government prosecutors took events out of fictional movies and attributed them so me in real life and sitting in solitary confinement and

matching going into your bathroom at home and being a lead being able to leave one hour a day for five days a week it's at a pretty horrific experience especially when you're in there for some mythology. but i mean look at that all behind me and i really enjoy a still you know i enjoy being able to hack but being able to help companies really protect themselves and that's kind of my mission today is really to help in one of the math that you know you know as we mentioned as you mentioned on the show earlier this whole notion of companies being upset and you know obviously you know because they are continuing to be victimized by attackers that there's trying to set up systems that lure the bad guy. to this but he's sometimes you know lou we're two hundred we're pretty we're we're able to quickly figure out what's going on but this whole honeypot it's you know it's kind of like you know attracting the bad guys to this system to really. keep

them busy you know there's state files in there that look look look like valuable information it could be credit card think it counts it could be are indeed information or whatever the company sets up if you keep the attackers there you profile them you see where they're coming from and then you use that information that intelligence to protect your your core systems the real the real systems that you don't do not want anyone kevin i wanted to get more into your personal story you were on the colbert report last year and i want to play a quick clip from that ok what do you think what is it if if if you did what you did today would i i'm sure you would put the put in solitary but when tom and obey what time of day you think what probably i mean they now that in this post nine eleven world i think hacking is almost considered a form of terrorism so kavanah that statement holds so much more significance now here we are you know almost

a year later after the whole anonymous thing coming out and just these takedowns of government websites and also just the ratcheting up of cyber terrorism and fair monitoring from our government do you see hacking still as maybe the number one domestic terrorist threat or or do you see that as kind of the fear of them painting it as a new terrorist threat. well i look at it it's kind of you know a lot of a lot of hyperbole because when you paint a threat the government is able to pass laws and get you know votes by the house and by congress to pass these laws like the patriot act but you know where the real the really interesting i guess development if you will over the past year or so was the revelation of stuxnet inflate and these were cyber weapons developed by the united states and possibly israel to attack iranian nuclear facilities so basically cause disruption to cause delay. of whatever projects they were working on at the

time so i think this is this is really important because why the united states could use cyber weapons against countries like iran that you know we still get we could be victimized the same way other countries can victimize us by developing very. delicious code. goes under the radar of anti-virus software and infects our systems targets companies here to do industrial espionage or targets defense contractors to get information on. you know government projects so i think it's a i think it's a substantial threat and what this is what the i guess security industry needs to do is come up with a better tools and solutions to try to mitigate that the right so you don't think. that answer to combat this kind of threat but i can repeat that you're getting how i was asking do you think that the legislation that they proposed. do you think

that that's a good combatant to this threat. i actually didn't read the legislation so i'm sorry i can't answer that i've always just no problem it's pretty broad legislation but kevin going back to what you just said about the cyber weapons what do you think about the u.s. essentially creating a blueprint for cyber warfare against this country what do you think that's going to do. but i think it's really the blueprint i think. i think that any country that employ a well. a well it's well a well skilled. team of developers to develop malicious code i don't you know i really think it comes down to time money in an organization and so i think any country and even even the russian business network. allegedly develops malware to attack consumers to steal information for fraud i think again it all

really comes down to the money into the sophistication of the people that they can hire to develop these tools and it's quite easy i mean i'm hired to test. this piece and we have about in one thousand eight percent success rate we're doing it to. uses manipulation deception and influence to get a person inside the company to comply with the request that request is simply click on a hyperlink in email or open up a booby trap p.d.f. document and if one employee makes that decision and opens up that booby trapped p.d.f. file for example deck you to allow the attacker take full control of that user's computer that's connected to the company's network and now there and that's how you see it is and with these types of tests that we do on companies we have one hundred percent success rate so what that really tells us is security is pretty bad and it's not really difficult for attackers to get into corporations into department of

defense organizations it's actually quite easy and you know we're all hoping that new technologies are developed new training and educational tools are developed to help mitigate the threat now is kevin mitnick author of the book ghost in the wires what does it for now i want to stories we cover go to you tube dot com slash our to america are check out our website our to dot com slash usa you can also follow me on twitter abby martin we'll see you back here and a half hour. r t is the state run english speaking russian channel it's kind of like al-jazeera. russia today has an extremely confrontational stance when it comes to us.